How low can they Go

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SBM
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How low can they Go

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:40 pm

Now they are collecting monies from Children How low can they go............Children are asked to give money so the teachers or Aamil Chamcha can go for Ziyarat
As discussed during our discussion with teachers and via phone calls to Parents that as per farmaan (see attached) we need to contribute towards Ziarat Fund -Ziarat of Imam Hussain AS - for farzando.
A contribution of $21 per child has been requested.

Those who have already contributed towards this Ziarat Fund we sincerely appreciate.

Parents who have yet to fulfill - please bring your checks this saturday.

Those who already have committed more and beyond - be kind to bring your committments.

Also those who wish to take this khidmat opportunity and contribute please bring your commitments as well.

Shukran jazilan , khuda tamari har umeed puri kare ane sagla umoor sehal kare. , bewe moula (tus) na wasila cee.

Wasalaam

Abde Syedna TUS

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Baad Salaam il Jameel,

ghulam muhammed
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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:57 pm

Kothar and the Zaadas are not only "Kafan Chors" but a bunch of SHAAHI FAKIRS !!

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:07 pm

bhai sbm,

you have asked how low can they go? next, they will ask contributions for haj, ziyarate hussain, ali, and of course, how can we forget, raudat tahera, from unborn abde kids too. the moment they come to know that an amte is pregnant, (abde will be taking raza for mithi shitaabi) her family will have to pay wajebaat, najwa for bewe mola, and provide contributions to all these 2 dozen funds so that the noorani habit of giving,( including one's khaal to make jooti's for mola), is inculcated in the rooh of the foetus even before its birth!

wah! su beshumaar ehsaan ane karam apna mola momino par farmave chhe! su eni niraali shaan chhe!

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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:38 am

Another few examples of "how low can they go"!!!!!

Asking wajebat from minor children of the madrassa knowing they are minors, knowing they don't earn anything and knowing it is not wajib on them.

Asking minor kids to submit fakhir raqm salaams for the Dai, Mansoos and the Imam on all idds and on the birthdays of all 3 of these people, after collecting Gold guineas and fakhir raqams from parents.

Asking children to sell things and raise money to send Jamea people (Moallims) to Haj or Ziyarat of Imam Husain, this in addition to the exorbitanat madrassa fees paid by the parents for the luxurious life these Moallims live in (at least in USA & UK).

Once the money is given it is like throwing in a deep dark well, you never find out what happens to it, they never tell you which Moallim was sent or how many were sent to Haj or ziyarat.

All this is dreamed up sh--da Idris B S and his staff who is in charge of Taleem office to show how much money they are raising to impress upper echelons.

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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:58 am

Sbm, is the meaning of Farman...compulsory ?

This is silly question but is "no thank you, inshallah next time " not possible in USA ?

Writing etiquettes is something that is missing too in the farman, ...words like your kind contribution , voluntary, good cause, if it is possible, please ....? It sounded like a demand or debt collectors notice

SBM
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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:07 am

Bohra spring wrote:Sbm, is the meaning of Farman...compulsory ?

This is silly question but is "no thank you, inshallah next time " not possible in USA ?

Writing etiquettes is something that is missing too in the farman, ...words like your kind contribution , voluntary, good cause, if it is possible, please ....? It sounded like a demand or debt collectors notice
Farman is not a request and specially if it is coming from Ilahi-Ul-Ard.
When was the last time you heard a REQUEST from Kothari Goons, they have eliminated word REQUEST and HUMBLE from their Lisaan E Dawaat dictionary. they only have DIKTATS or FARMANS.
It is not just USA but around the world if you donot want to give there are ways but be ready to face consequences.
Now if you are asking me personally, then FARMAN has no meaning for me. I do it my way,

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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by asad » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:17 am

"Farman" literally means "order" as in to order something.

Kaka Akela
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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:24 am

All Farmans have high sounding taweel words to confuse the hoi polloi (s) and really obfucate the issue at hand.
"How strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words." - Samuel Adams

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:57 am

Kaka Akela wrote:All Farmans have high sounding taweel words to confuse the hoi polloi (s) and really obfucate the issue at hand.
"How strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words." - Samuel Adams
in fact that is the trend the kothar has been deliberately implementing since last few decades. they (mis)use and introduce fancy arabic words out of context to fool and impress the ignorant and simple abdes and make it appear to them as if these farmaans or terminology somehow constitute an integral part of our deen and islam since the days of the prophet. for instance, devri has now become 'darul iman', a simple directive from syedna is now 'misal shareef', safai chithhi is now the forbidding 'varkatul tarkhees', ejamaat card is 'idhara tareef al shaqsi bataka' and so on.

as kaka akela has quoted, this is nothing but another form of tyranny and mental enslavement. if a poor hapless labourer were to approach (god forbid) the ceo of a huge company to ask for his rights, he will be cowed down when the ceo or his assistant use obscure and high falutin words and quote corporate policy which the poor, scared ignoramus cannot understand and he will perforce retreat licking the wounds of his injured dignity. the kothar is that vast and powerful corporation and the abdes its menial labourers, the language used to address them is cunningly devised to bamboozle, befuddle, confuse and bully them into submission.

all this is patently obvious to an outsider or neutral observer. sadly our naive and gullible frogs in the well swallow it whole

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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:59 pm

Al-Akh-AlNajeeb Zulfikar,

Rab-ul-Izaat tamnay Ajr-e-Azeem atta Karjo, Malabish-e-Fakhera pahnawjo, Urd-ul-Jannah ma wasawjo, tamaree Aal anay Mal ma Ezeefa-e-Azeem atta karjo, tamne Najmu-din any dunya banawjo anay Roz-e-Mahshar Momeeneen-e--ul-Khulsa and Shiet-ul-Khasa na sathay beethawjo.

Ameen, Sum-ameen

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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:51 pm

hey hey hey, what's up man, i am flattered, but what the heck!

bhai jc, tamne pan rabb ul ta'ala jannatul naeem ma aala darajja no qayam ata kare. tamne, tamara nauanihalo ne ane tamara ayaal ne dai ni dua na sabab akherat no tosho haansil thai, evi dili itlemas...

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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by JC » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:35 pm

Bro AZ,

:lol: ...... WORDS and only words, this is what Kothar uses and not only words but words which sound so alien to majority of abdes and amtes ...... but hey we know these are all Imami n Noorani Kalamat from His Master's Voice....!!!

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Re: How low can they Go

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Unread post by seeker110 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:54 pm

Dhobi ka kutta Na ghar ka Na ghat ka.