what will happen to our community ?

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yusuf78
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what will happen to our community ?

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Unread post by yusuf78 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:11 am

I got whatsapp message today

what will happen to our community our next generation is really in hands of mansoos

I am worried for my people who have faith in mansoos


Kaal ni waaz ma farmayu..kandivali ni masjid ma...Bairao ne taakeed kidi rida par
Mardo ne farmayu k koi ehwa jowai je mohalla ma rida pehne ane bahar utari de to ehne tez nigah c jojo
K ehne eim thai ke moula nu farmaan nai uthauti
Moula ne kiwu laage k mohalla ma pehne che ane bahar utari de che
Aa kehwu kehwai
Behlul dana ni zikr kidi
Utlobul ilma walau bis seen
Moharramaat viyaaj ane insuarance c parhez
Nazrul maqam taraf raghbat
Jitnu mhottu kaam ehwa nazrul maqam araz kare
Burhanpur syedi abdulqadir hakimuddin moula nu watan che to apnu bhi kehwai aj ne
Burhanpur syedi abdulqadir hakimuddin moula nu watan che to apnu bhi kehwai aj ne
10-20 cr nu kaam hoi to 1cr 52lac nazrul maqam to araz kare
Nazrul maqam hisaab c nikale zara sa nahi k lakho na kaam ma 500 700 rs eim nahi
Hifazat kon karse???
Nazrul maqam karse
Ya vimo(insaurance) karse??
Su karso???
Nazrul maqam ya vimo???
Sakhat na farmayu k court ma na jai
Moula paas aawo
Vazarat ma aawe
Amil paas jai
Lekin mumin hargiz mumin par case na kare
Court ma vakil kharcha karawe che ane warso nikli jai
Aaram haraam thai jai
Shiate ali ne farmayu k koi bhi aam kartu hoi bairao masi k rida barabar na pehne to ehtemam karjo ehne tez nigah c jojo ehne eim thai k ae moula nu farmaan nai uthauta
Aapas ma suleh karawi de logo agar naittefaqi hoi to nai to sagla ne takleef thai
Jamaat ma aayaan ma naittefaqi hoi to tamam gaam na logo ne uthawu pare umur umur thaya kare...
Gay kaale waaz ma mola ye farmayu k aa dino ma eide zahabi na, mumenin zyarat waaste jai. Potana watan ma ziyarat hoi to karej, as ne bisra mazar ma b jai, ye b to apnu watan j che. Jem jamnager watan hoi ane burhanpur zyarat waaste jai to S.A.H nu watan che to ye apnu j watan kehwai. Ane ek ek duat ane hudud na mazar ni tafsir si zikr farmawi ame ahmedabad ma ganje shohada ni zyarat ma farmayu k ghana shohadah che kitnak pr laal nishan che ye zyarat apne karie che ane haji ghani zyarato che to haath si isharo kari ne farmayu k door si j chumi laie che ane ghanu tabbasum farmayu ane farmayu k ghanu acchu lage che. Em b farmayu k husain ye sajdo dido doat mutlaqin na haq ma dua farmawi, 51 ma dai na haq ma,52 ma dai M B na haq ma dua farmawi ane wo mumenin na haq ma dua farmawi je mola ni mohabbat kare che, ane je mohabbat nathi karta to ghana yaqeen si kahu chu,aale mohammed na ilm ni barakat si kahu chu, ehne husain na dua ni barakat nahi pohche.
Ghana j josh ma farmayu.

yusuf78
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Re: what will happen to our community ?

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Unread post by yusuf78 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:12 am

Afzslm

Syedi va Maulai Aali Qadr Mufaddal Maula Saifuddin (tus) islam ma em che ke jeh Mardoh beejah bairoh karwani ummeed rakhtah hoyi nikah karwain chahtah hoyi toh enah bairoh ne faraz che ke anah shohar nee ummeed ne puri kare enoh sath apeh aneh enah khushi ma barabar shamil thayi ..
Aneh mardoh ne farz che ke enah pehla bairoh jemmat bija bairoh sathe suluk kare aneh eneh eh saglu apeh je enah pehla bairoh pase che khas karine ne time wakt barabar apeh .
Aneh marad bija bairoh ne barabar rakhi saktah hoyi toj bija bairoh kare
Banne bairoh neh ek najar see joyi khush rakhe ema bhed bhaw na laweh toj shadi kareh.
Anah see hajee ghani mohabbat vadhe che..aneh ghanu sawab che..
Bairoh hamesha maradoh ne enah har sukh dukh ma shamil thayi ...marad nee khushi wasteh socheh.
Vassalam....Another one....

MunkirNakir
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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:24 am

If my Imam uz zamaan wants to help me, he will help me, no matter if I put 1 rupee or 1 crore in nazrul maqaam.

telling people more money in nazrul maqaam will solve bigger problems is just like acting as a commission agent....nauzobillah

shame to hear some thing like this from a mansoos.

mansur07
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Unread post by mansur07 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:30 am

@munkarnakir
If u dnt belive in nazrul makam puttng doubts in it n sayng imam vill help me ,.., it means u doubtng in imam also .....

MunkirNakir
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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:39 am

mansur07 wrote:@munkarnakir
If u dnt belive in nazrul makam puttng doubts in it n sayng imam vill help me ,.., it means u doubtng in imam also .....
it is obvious abde idiot wont understand difference between doubting Imam and doubting ridiculous reasont to make people pay....

our IMAM dont see how much u put in nazrul makaam, if he see person deserves help or dua he will do it, without seeing the amount he paid in nazrul maqaam.

LFT
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Unread post by LFT » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:22 am

Very interesting comment on Nazrul Makam - Isnt that just like Daur-e-Jahalliya when people used to provide sacrifice (in different quantities) so that their gods would help them through difficulties? The whole point of Islam was that God didnt need anything from humans. If God doesnt need money or bribes when why is the "commission agent" asking for it so openly...

MunkirNakir
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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:48 am

LFT wrote:Very interesting comment on Nazrul Makam - Isnt that just like Daur-e-Jahalliya when people used to provide sacrifice (in different quantities) so that their gods would help them through difficulties? The whole point of Islam was that God didnt need anything from humans. If God doesnt need money or bribes when why is the "commission agent" asking for it so openly...
lol

think
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Unread post by think » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:12 am

bohris should settle differences amongst themselves without going to lawyers; come to M.B. is his farman; he will solve the issue. Question is then, why do you have on your payroll a whole team of lawyers? Bhindi bazaar project ment for the upliftment of bohris so as to speak, but the kothar has hired a whole group of lawyers. Practice what you preach. Have seen zadas and zadis in swimming suits and swimming trunks.

ammar786
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Unread post by ammar786 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:51 pm

MunkirNakir wrote:
mansur07 wrote:@munkarnakir
If u dnt belive in nazrul makam puttng doubts in it n sayng imam vill help me ,.., it means u doubtng in imam also .....
it is obvious abde idiot wont understand difference between doubting Imam and doubting ridiculous reasont to make people pay....

our IMAM dont see how much u put in nazrul makaam, if he see person deserves help or dua he will do it, without seeing the amount he paid in nazrul maqaam.

who is your imam?? @ munkarnakir

MunkirNakir
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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:03 pm

ammar786 wrote:
MunkirNakir wrote: it is obvious abde idiot wont understand difference between doubting Imam and doubting ridiculous reasont to make people pay....

our IMAM dont see how much u put in nazrul makaam, if he see person deserves help or dua he will do it, without seeing the amount he paid in nazrul maqaam.

who is your imam?? @ munkarnakir
Imam uz zamaan Imam Tayyeb(s) and his sons....





by the way next time if you want to address me make sure you use complete English words and proper grammar, I feel irritated to reply and read broken Hinglish.

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:06 pm

yusuf78 wrote:Syedi va Maulai Aali Qadr Mufaddal Maula Saifuddin (tus) islam ma em che ke jeh Mardoh beejah bairoh karwani ummeed rakhtah hoyi nikah karwain chahtah hoyi toh enah bairoh ne faraz che ke anah shohar nee ummeed ne puri kare enoh sath apeh aneh enah khushi ma barabar shamil thayi ..
Is Mansoos making his own road clear after his encounter with the Qatar Airways airhostess ? Or is he giving hidden signals/warnings to his own wife ?? :mrgreen:

Kaka Akela
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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:17 pm

Bro GM : Did you know that the Mansoos had a second wife for a short period who was the daughter of the current Mazoon saheb. But it ended in divorce because his first wife did not accept her or support him. May be he is saying all this from his own experience.

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:19 pm

Kaka Akela wrote:Bro GM : Did you know that the Mansoos had a second wife for a short period who was the daughter of the current Mazoon saheb. But it ended in divorce because his first wife did not accept her or support him. May be he is saying all this from his own experience.
Bro.Kaka Akela,

Yes, Iam aware of it and I have made a mention of it on the thread "Satta Ka Khel, The Jigsaw Puzzle". New members should browse that thread to get a more detailed version of the same.

Grayson
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Unread post by Grayson » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:33 pm

Kaka Akela wrote:Bro GM : Did you know that the Mansoos had a second wife for a short period who was the daughter of the current Mazoon saheb. But it ended in divorce because his first wife did not accept her or support him. May be he is saying all this from his own experience.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Mazoon's daughter the first wife of Mufaddal bs before Johra bs? He was married to her first, then married his second after divorcing her?
It's a trivial matter with no real bearing, but I'm curious nonetheless.

Sceptical
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Unread post by Sceptical » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:09 pm

Muffadal Saheb first wife is Yusuf Najmuddin's daughter who is still his wife (Jawharat-u-sharaf bs).
Then he was married to the Mazoon's Daughter (second wife). It has ended with divorce few month after.
Correct?

Al Zulfiqar
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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:41 pm

the title and subject of this thread is "what will happen to our community"?

there is no question of what WILL happen, it has already happened. the community has gone to the 'dogs'.

the proof? all that abdes do now is bark, without substance or reason or logic. they have been programmed to bark, or scrape and bow or wag their tails at the sight of the h'zaadas, and they salivate and fall upon the bones (jaman) in the jamaatkhana. when they are not barking, they are baying and howling like banshees at the mere mention of 'tamara dai"...hoo hoo uhhh, sobs and tears etc, while beating themselves silly all over their heads and chests in musical rhythms, dancing in unison.

the poor mongrels are not even aware how pavlov and his behavioural anthropologists sitting in saifee mahal have 'programmed' them. the abdes are no longer just abdes. they are products of the kennel club, trained by the best in canine coaching. they are no longer considered worthy of foraging for themselves and are fed on morsels dished out in a kennel (thaali dabba), they are fitted with tracking devices (ejamaat cards) lest they stray or make a break for freedom and they are regularly de-wormed and neutered (fed bullshit mojizas and robbed with wajebaat), their claws are trimmed by pavlov's henchmen (amils) and they are de-fanged at adolescence (misaq) so that they pose no danger to the behavioural scientists.

the abdes roam in packs and find comfort in groups of 'like'. some of them have been singled out for guard duty like sheepdogs (jamaat committee members) so that they can keep the other servile abdes in line. pavlov has established 2 large kennel clubs in karachi and surat (jamea's) for churning out these special sheepdogs and also breed attack dogs like alsatians (amils).

thanks to pavlov!

yusuf78
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Unread post by yusuf78 » Wed May 01, 2013 4:30 pm

I completely agreed what Zulfikar said here but still what will happen next ? I wish that i can explain to my brother , sister father and mother....i can not say any single word against mansoos in front of them.. This is really very difficult to change their faith.

I am feeling quiet good that atleast my wife and kids are with me. But i wonder when we will re-form ? when that day will come where people like mansoos and zaadas vanish completely from society ? and that day how far it is ? Whenever i read here this forum and people from reform side i feel that day is not so far as i feel. I really thank to admin and person who started this site and make a way come out here to let bold people express their freedom.

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed May 01, 2013 4:49 pm

yusuf78 wrote:when that day will come where people like mansoos and zaadas vanish completely from society ? and that day how far it is ?
How much time did it take for Firaun's army to vanish from the face of this earth ? Same goes with Namrood. So you see that Allah (swt) has His own way of cleaning the rot from this world, He knows better with regard to time and place so be patient as NO tyrant has ever exploited his subjects Ta-qayamat !!

Maqbool
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Unread post by Maqbool » Thu May 02, 2013 1:42 am

Beware. The kangaroo law is coming. another cult like khaf panchayat is taking birth. If the government is following this thread they must get alert to this dangerous activities.

The Amils who even branded a corrupt and greedy by the abdes in this forum is taking over the court functioning of our community. our ladies will be followed by goons of our community. O Imamus Zaman what will be the appropriate time for you to zuhur other then this?

The family welfare department of government of India should get alert by suggestion of mansoo for many wives to a man. Sayedna Taher Saifuddin saheb has 4 wives and 27 children. Wake up every body.

aftabm
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Unread post by aftabm » Thu May 02, 2013 10:09 am

yusuf78 wrote:I completely agreed what Zulfikar said here but still what will happen next ? I wish that i can explain to my brother , sister father and mother....i can not say any single word against mansoos in front of them.. This is really very difficult to change their faith.

I am feeling quiet good that atleast my wife and kids are with me. But i wonder when we will re-form ? when that day will come where people like mansoos and zaadas vanish completely from society ? and that day how far it is ? Whenever i read here this forum and people from reform side i feel that day is not so far as i feel. I really thank to admin and person who started this site and make a way come out here to let bold people express their freedom.
Dear Bro Yusuf,

You yourself can start a small reform. Stop paying these ridiculous taxes, Stop Attending useless majlises and social gathering, Stop bowing infront of these fake demigods and thier progenies, Stop attending those 3-mithas, 3-Kharas Jamans, Stop doing salaam to any tom-dick-harry from royal-rumble, Ask questions to your Aamil and Most of all, Stop being Scared of these clowns.
I know, it is not easier said than done, but not impossible. Every small step against this corrupt system will push us closer to REFORMED society that we desire.

JC
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Unread post by JC » Thu May 02, 2013 12:58 pm

What happen to Roman Empire, Ottomon Empire, Mughals, British Raj ....??!!! The Circle goes on and on and on!!

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 03, 2013 5:51 pm

yusuf78 wrote:Sakhat na farmayu k court ma na jai

Moula paas aawo

Vazarat ma aawe

Amil paas jai

Lekin mumin hargiz mumin par case na kare

Court ma vakil kharcha karawe che ane warso nikli jai

Aaram haraam thai jai
Look at the hypocrisy of the Dai-in-waiting, on one hand he discourages his followers from engaging lawyers and on the other hand the Toronto Jamat invites bohra lawyers to create a database :-

"The website http://www.dblawyers.net/ has been created with the raza mubarak and doa mubarak of the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq, His Holiness Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) – Head of the world-wide Dawoodi Bohra Community. It has been created to serve as a database of Dawoodi Bohra lawyers. It may in future facilitate Dawoodi Bohra lawyers to interact with each other and come together on one platform".

Mumineen lawyers worldwide are urged to register on the website (http://www.dblawyers.net/)

http://torontojamat.com/Default.aspx?id ... mentid=927

JC
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Unread post by JC » Sat May 04, 2013 10:58 am

Cult will then use this database for its own use and vested interests. Tomorrow a similar database will made for doctors and chartered accountants ............ may be then this will also be use to 'suck' money from them!!

guy_sam2005
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Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Sat May 04, 2013 11:01 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
yusuf78 wrote:Sakhat na farmayu k court ma na jai

Moula paas aawo

Vazarat ma aawe

Amil paas jai

Lekin mumin hargiz mumin par case na kare

Court ma vakil kharcha karawe che ane warso nikli jai

Aaram haraam thai jai
Look at the hypocrisy of the Dai-in-waiting, on one hand he discourages his followers from engaging lawyers and on the other hand the Toronto Jamat invites bohra lawyers to create a database :-

"The website http://www.dblawyers.net/ has been created with the raza mubarak and doa mubarak of the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq, His Holiness Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) – Head of the world-wide Dawoodi Bohra Community. It has been created to serve as a database of Dawoodi Bohra lawyers. It may in future facilitate Dawoodi Bohra lawyers to interact with each other and come together on one platform".

Mumineen lawyers worldwide are urged to register on the website (http://www.dblawyers.net/)

http://torontojamat.com/Default.aspx?id ... mentid=927
Please read the bayaan again.wat he said was ke be momin na vacche probs hoi to dai paase aawe.....why wud a other caste guy come to my dai even if i ask him to....for that we need lawyers.

Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Sun May 05, 2013 10:42 am

What will happen to our community ?
The answer is really very simple. It is depleting. The half life of the community is 25 years, which means that the community is reduced to half roughly every 25 years. This I have explained in details elsewhere on this forum. On the other hand, the parasitic "Royal" family is growing by leaps and bounds, what with easy money and lots of time to breed. Also their greed is growing dramatically.

This will lead to a situation, where the prey are reducing, and the predators are increasing leading to a very unstable state of affairs. Nature's law are bound to take over and lead to a collapse. We are already seeing the first signs of fighting among the predators. Muffi faction versus Qutbi faction.

As Henry Wadsworth Longfellow says,
“ Though the mills of God grind slowly;
Yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience he stands waiting,
With exactness grinds he all.”

MunkirNakir
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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Sun May 05, 2013 10:45 am

welcome back bro smart :wink:

Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Sun May 05, 2013 11:15 am

Thank you.

Al Zulfiqar
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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon May 06, 2013 6:37 pm

welcome back smart! where were you, in hibernation or in the company of rip van winkle?? :wink:

why these enormous gaps? is everything ok?

see what your long absence has done to our community!

Qutbi-Hero
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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Sun May 26, 2013 1:14 pm

Smart wrote:What will happen to our community ?
The answer is really very simple. It is depleting. The half life of the community is 25 years, which means that the community is reduced to half roughly every 25 years. This I have explained in details elsewhere on this forum. On the other hand, the parasitic "Royal" family is growing by leaps and bounds, what with easy money and lots of time to breed. Also their greed is growing dramatically.

This will lead to a situation, where the prey are reducing, and the predators are increasing leading to a very unstable state of affairs. Nature's law are bound to take over and lead to a collapse. We are already seeing the first signs of fighting among the predators. Muffi faction versus Qutbi faction.

As Henry Wadsworth Longfellow says,
“ Though the mills of God grind slowly;
Yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience he stands waiting,
With exactness grinds he all.”
Why do you think the community is reducing?

I think it is remaining about the same, because on one hand we have natural growth through reproduction, but at the same time we have people leaving so overall the population is roughly stable.

I also think that the new generation of the royal family will also be less interested in religion because they are becoming very westernised.

I do think the bhoras will eventually disappear though, due to the increasing proportion of people becoming atheist. I think 100 years and very few bhoris will be left.