Bhoras faiz in Amman (Mutah) set on fire

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Bhoras faiz in Amman (Mutah) set on fire

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Unread post by Aymelek » Sat May 04, 2013 2:11 am

As, on the other forum, we discuss how the wahabbis exhumed a grave of Prophet’s companion. Here's another piece from Wahhabi's who burnt down the bohras faiz in Mutah (Amman).

Apparently in the Friday sermons of local mosque, the preacher called out bohra shias as kaafirs and crowd was instigated.

http://en.ammonnews.net/article.aspx?ar ... YSlwaIhp3U

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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Sat May 04, 2013 2:19 am

digging up grave of sahaba is wrong, but I dont find any thing wrong in putting up fire on temple of smb where nothing but kufr and shirk is preached and taught....

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Unread post by wise_guy » Sat May 04, 2013 4:07 am

MunkirNakir wrote:digging up grave of sahaba is wrong, but I dont find any thing wrong in putting up fire on temple of smb where nothing but kufr and shirk is preached and taught....
@munkir nakir .... So you talk about kufr and shirk... so burning down a building which was built for living purposes of bohras coming for ziyarat of Maulana Jafar ut tayyar (AS) is great deed and is halal. You are also an ignorant and misled person & you blame the bohras... You must first reminiscence yourself and then blame others.

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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Sat May 04, 2013 6:08 am

wise_guy wrote:
MunkirNakir wrote:digging up grave of sahaba is wrong, but I dont find any thing wrong in putting up fire on temple of smb where nothing but kufr and shirk is preached and taught....
@munkir nakir .... So you talk about kufr and shirk... so burning down a building which was built for living purposes of bohras coming for ziyarat of Maulana Jafar ut tayyar (AS) is great deed and is halal. You are also an ignorant and misled person & you blame the bohras... You must first reminiscence yourself and then blame others.
if it was just for zyarah of jaffar ut tayyar then it was okay....

but it is not true, these buidings are used for preaching shirk and kufr and for praising smb and his kids and making idols out of them....

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Unread post by JC » Sat May 04, 2013 10:43 am

Ziaraa't is an Arabic word meaning 'to visit' ....... for Bohras it means 'to worship grave' ........

It was very RIGHT to burn down a building where shirk is being taught. Mohammad and Ali BROKE all the idols in Kaaba, so it is correct to demolish these places where idol, dead and mortal worship is being taught and preached.

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sat May 04, 2013 3:56 pm

JC wrote:Ziaraa't is an Arabic word meaning 'to visit' ....... for Bohras it means 'to worship grave' ........

It was very RIGHT to burn down a building where shirk is being taught. Mohammad and Ali BROKE all the idols in Kaaba, so it is correct to demolish these places where idol, dead and mortal worship is being taught and preached.
Joota Chappal (JC),

Do you kiss Quran? If yes, why? It is made of paper (wood/recycled substances), and chemical ink. So you are doing idol-worshipping by kissing Quran!

Why do you kiss Hajre-Aswad, a stone!!!

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Sat May 04, 2013 5:07 pm

Badrijanab :

Please don't equate kissing the Quran or Hajar e Aswad to kissing of graves or hands and feet of humans or even their socks, they are two different things just like sleeping with your wife or sleeping with a prostitute, same action but different results.

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Unread post by JC » Sat May 04, 2013 6:33 pm

B J

Kaka has really BLOWN you away, run for your JOB ...!!!

And between it is far better BELIEVING and FOLLOWING Quran rather than just KISSING it .... I would rather prefer a person NOT kissing Quran but following it in words and spirits rather than a person KISSING it but doing against it. That is exactly your Masters are teaching you today ........... kiss my feet and kiss my a**

And one last thing - there is ONLY and ONE Quran ............. kindly count the Graves your worship!! and there is always additions, Hoze, Bu Sahiba and now One-In-Waiting ............

Forget about Hajr-e-Aswad, yes it is a stone however placed by Prophet at a specific location.

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Unread post by think » Sun May 05, 2013 12:28 am

hope this burning does not continue from aman, to saudi arabia, to Dubai, etc.

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Unread post by Aymelek » Sun May 05, 2013 1:17 am

MunkirNakir wrote:I dont find any thing wrong in putting up fire on temple of smb where nothing but kufr and shirk is preached and taught....
JC wrote: It was very RIGHT to burn down a building where shirk is being taught.
Br. MunkarNakir & Br. JC,

Violence of all forms should be condemned. There were innocent people (zaireen) residing in these buildings including elderly, ladies and children. Just because they do not share the religious ideologies their blood doesnt become halal. Wahabbis and extremist should stop playing GOD and stop judging people as kaafirs or mushriks based on their interpretation of islam.

It was a cowardly attack by a mob and could have led to death of innocent lives. OR do you both agree that killing in the name of religious ideologies is fine.

Please think over.....We should all jointly condemn such attacks rather than support it anyway.

Think of it, Christians have thousands of denominations, yet you will never find them declaring each other blood as halal. In Jerusalem and bethlehem, you will find churches of Catholics, Armenians christians and Eastern Orthodox in the same compound or same building. They have learned to co-exist despite differences in ideologies, why cant we Muslims take a lesson from there and allow multiple interpretations of Islam.

In the end, Lord will judge when the kingdom comes.

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Unread post by pheonix » Sun May 05, 2013 1:25 am

Really enligtening to see the self proclaimed enligntened progressives rejoicing on the burning of the faiz.
Really shows their gutter mentality and absolute hatred for the DAI and Dawat.

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 05, 2013 1:53 am

pheonix wrote:Really enligtening to see the self proclaimed enligntened progressives rejoicing on the burning of the faiz.
Really shows their gutter mentality and absolute hatred for the DAI and Dawat.
Pheonix bhai/behen,

There is no such thing as "Progressive" Bohras. There is an association which is called "Bohra Youth Association" (BYA) it is government registered body and only who believe in principles of Bohras doctrine can become its members. BYA strongly condemns the act of burning and creating troubles for mumineen.

Elements like JC and alike are not on Imaan (Bohras/Islam) so their stand is not equal to stand of BYA.

During the 'Bhuj Earthquake' and 'Gujrat Riots', among Bohras only BYA sent loads of truck of humanitarian help to affected Bohra Mumineen. Kothar did nothing, indeed they donated money to Narendra Modi than distributing it to affected Bohra mumineen!!! In Jordan also if any affected mumineen requires help, please approach BYA in Udaipur, they will help with what ever limited resource they can, Inshallah.

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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Sun May 05, 2013 1:53 am

pheonix wrote:Really enligtening to see the self proclaimed enligntened progressives rejoicing on the burning of the faiz.
Really shows their gutter mentality and absolute hatred for the DAI and Dawat.
when bohras house were burnt and broke to ashes in 2002 gujarat riots, DAI was busy in african jungle hunting animals, and the worst thing is when he came back he gave 1 crore to modi and also gave him some fancy title inviting him in house of ALLAH.

now tell me who has gutter mentality?

Abde moron's if u still cant see truth , then u are not worth to call ur self HUMAN.

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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Sun May 05, 2013 1:55 am

think wrote:hope this burning does not continue from aman, to saudi arabia, to Dubai, etc.
this burning shud continue where ever SHIRK and KUFR is present...

Ameen Summa Ameen...

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Unread post by JC » Sun May 05, 2013 11:56 am

Bro Aymelek,

We are against KILLING of innocent people, please do not take us wrong on this point. What we are trying to equate is demolition of PLACES where shirk is taught and practice .... else HOW can we stop a WRONG thing?? Mohammad and Ali did break the idols in Kabaa, didn't they?? So first we have to demolish the SYMBOLS of WRONG. We have NEVER said KILL those who disagree ....... I have been saying all along, Religion is one's very personal thing, leave it as personal. Today, we should also STOP preaching Religion ....... because this is one major thing creating rift, division and fight.

I agree Christians are co-existing within themselves. They do not declare other Kafir as we do becuase they have left religion as is - status quo - and we should exactly do the same. What Borhas teach when they say Lanat to first 3 Khalifas and Prophet's wife?? Aren't they instigating hatred which eventually will turn physical if not stopped!! In Pakistan Bohris co-existed Sunnis since 1947, now suddenly today they have turned against Bohris?? Try finding reasons .......

Badrijanab, if BYO does anything good for common bohras or for common men, I am all for it and slaute their deeds and efforts. If you are one of them, my respects. No good deed should go wasted. Kothar is NOT doing anything for common bohras or peole, they are EVIL in all words and spirits.

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Unread post by JC » Sun May 05, 2013 12:07 pm

Badrijanab,

In fact there was a Bohra Youth Association in Karachi too, my family, friends and I were a big part of that but then in late 70s or early 80s Kothar came and ORDERED us to close down BYA and stop all charity and helping work we were doing. The main office of BYA was on Strachen Road (Now Maulana Deen Mohammad Wafai Road) of Karachi. By God we were doing all charity and good work and Kothar humiliated us and finally it was closed as they were far more powerful then us. We are also big part of Bohra Gymkhana which was also taken over by Kothar.

Kothar does not want anyone else to do any charity or good work within Bohra Community. They want to be SOLE MASTERS of ALL the Bohras on earth, nothing can be done without their RAZA ..........

And yes I am NOT on the same Iman as you are and say .......... I do not believe in Dai and Imam ........ this is all fraud.

Ali had repeatedly said 'Ask me questions, learn from me' today a Dai claiming to be his Dai says 'Ask me NO question' ........ Hussain laid his life for Islam and Muslims and today a Dai claiming to be his Dai is a bed-fellow of Modi ....... had there been a TRUE IMAM in existance he definitely would have come out of his PURDAH by now....

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun May 05, 2013 1:00 pm

Before we celebrate or mourn this events please think that innocent community members lives were at risk, people could have died . The mobs will not distinguish between Abde or Progressive ...The reports indicated the local emergency services came to help and rescue ...yet this topic and some commentators are fuelling and celebrating ...how low can we go to score forum debate points.

This is part of a bigger Sunni or Shia sectarianism that is spiralling out of control in Middle East including Pakistan. These issues will spiral and get worse as we Muslims of both sides continue this agenda of intolerance and hate. I really fear the future and hope it does not spread to liberal and secular places outside Middle East and Muslim nations. Jordan is near Syria where recent political issues are very sensitive and volatile..

The Internet has also exposed the issues we Bohras discuss and display on both sides of abde and reformists. Whether right or wrong Bohra need to be aware that non bohras know as much about us as we . If one googles Bohra ...try it images , video, web ..there we are for all to see how we worship.

If we reformist want to comment to the events rather we should offer sympathy , moral support to the victims and knowledge and guidance how our fellow Bohras can adapt to the changing times . I am personally saddened by the events and can only imagine the fear and helplessness the victims must have undergone. We should remind Bohra that in Sunni and Islamic majority locations we must change our ways and be more social. The world in foreign lands is very different from how we lived in mohallas in India and Africa ..we cannot go on like there is no one to fear.

We should condemn this method of violent protest from locals who are misguided our hearts should be with all Abdes who feel the pain and sorrow of these events,

but also condemn the people in abde leadership who have reduced our community to be targets and deviants.

If you want to blame anyone blame muffy and his establishment for making brand Bohra a mess . Once again he is silent, he is too busy , ...but again I rather he shut up because with his track record he could say something really silly.

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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Sun May 05, 2013 1:17 pm

look no need for crocodile tears, we all knew this was gonna happen today or tomorrow, paap kaa ghada kabhi naa kabhi zaroor phutta hain....

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Unread post by zinger » Mon May 06, 2013 1:59 am

MunkirNakir and JC,

If you believe that what happened is right, because we are un-Islamic then perhaps your homes should be destroyed because you have sinned as per Islam too, which speaks of humanity and love and goodwill to fellow Muslims.

Really sad to see mentalities like yours on board. i pity you.

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Unread post by Adam » Mon May 06, 2013 2:57 am

@zinger
Hatred for Syedna blinds them from everything else.
They are so engrossed with hatred and evil that they cannot think or breathe anything else that is right or humane.
Their religion is based on Hatred. Nothing else.

Pure intoxication, ignorance and stupidity driven by the DARK SIDE.
Welcome to the mind of a Proggy :)

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Unread post by zinger » Mon May 06, 2013 3:16 am

Its not about their hatred for Syedna and the Daawat and all that we stand for that shocks me.

What shocked me even more was they did not give a damn that there were innocent lives that could have been burnt alive.

they are rejoicing burning down a building... shocking, really shocking.

and even worse is that they are justifying it...

atleast Aymelek and Bohra Spring expressed concern that innocent lives were are stake and condemned the act, but these 2 barbarians JC and MN are actually justifying burning the building.

i wouldnt be too surprised if they wold have justified the deaths (Thanks be to Allah there were none) of any Bohras who might have been caught in it too...

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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Mon May 06, 2013 3:37 am

zinger wrote:MunkirNakir and JC,

If you believe that what happened is right, because we are un-Islamic then perhaps your homes should be destroyed because you have sinned as per Islam too, which speaks of humanity and love and goodwill to fellow Muslims.

Really sad to see mentalities like yours on board. i pity you.
zinger u will not find any human pics in my home, neither u will find any madeh playing which praises and compares any human to the level of ALLAH SUBHANU....

now pity ur own self for taking birth and most probably dieing like a kafir....
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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Mon May 06, 2013 3:40 am

Adam wrote:@zinger
Hatred for Syedna blinds them from everything else.
They are so engrossed with hatred and evil that they cannot think or breathe anything else that is right or humane.
Their religion is based on Hatred. Nothing else.

Pure intoxication, ignorance and stupidity driven by the DARK SIDE.
Welcome to the mind of a Proggy :)
Adam you have lost ur mind, I dont think u have aability to enter in some bodys mind...

what do I have to hate any one?

I am just here to point out what wrong is going on, and I am not doing this for my self, coz I have stop paying money to kothar, coz I know all is drained in ayyashi and haraam.


its a shame that u come here and try to defend people who are involve in corruption...

next time when U do matam of IMAM HUSSAIN make sure u think for a second that what HUSSAIN fought for?
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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Mon May 06, 2013 3:42 am

zinger wrote:Its not about their hatred for Syedna and the Daawat and all that we stand for that shocks me.

What shocked me even more was they did not give a damn that there were innocent lives that could have been burnt alive.

they are rejoicing burning down a building... shocking, really shocking.

and even worse is that they are justifying it...

atleast Aymelek and Bohra Spring expressed concern that innocent lives were are stake and condemned the act, but these 2 barbarians JC and MN are actually justifying burning the building.

i wouldnt be too surprised if they wold have justified the deaths (Thanks be to Allah there were none) of any Bohras who might have been caught in it too...

Muhammed (s) killled many people in war, and all that killing was in the name of ALLAH to bring people on ISLAAM....

today bohras are turned into kafirs, and if they are killed by muslims I wont be surprised.

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Unread post by wise_guy » Mon May 06, 2013 4:06 am

Kaka Akela wrote:Badrijanab :

Please don't equate kissing the Quran or Hajar e Aswad to kissing of graves or hands and feet of humans or even their socks, they are two different things just like sleeping with your wife or sleeping with a prostitute, same action but different results.
@badri janab... ur argument is just like "Heads I win, Tails you lose"

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Unread post by badrijanab » Mon May 06, 2013 4:25 am

wise_guy wrote:
Kaka Akela wrote:Badrijanab :

Please don't equate kissing the Quran or Hajar e Aswad to kissing of graves or hands and feet of humans or even their socks, they are two different things just like sleeping with your wife or sleeping with a prostitute, same action but different results.
@badri janab... ur argument is just like "Heads I win, Tails you lose"
@wise_guy.... my argument is just like "(Bohra) Mumineen win paradise, hell looses"

Or in words of Prophet Mohammed s. "Only one sect will enter paradise, rest all 72 sects of Islam will burn in fire."

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Unread post by zinger » Mon May 06, 2013 5:52 am

MunkirNakir wrote:
zinger wrote:MunkirNakir and JC,

If you believe that what happened is right, because we are un-Islamic then perhaps your homes should be destroyed because you have sinned as per Islam too, which speaks of humanity and love and goodwill to fellow Muslims.

Really sad to see mentalities like yours on board. i pity you.
zinger u will not find any human pics in my home, neither u will find any madeh playing which praises and compares any human to the level of ALLAH SUBHANU....

now pity ur own self for taking birth and most probably dieing like a kafir....

i already know i'm bound for hell, i havent done anything to deserve heaven. I'll meet you there. save me a place there next to you if you reach before me

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Unread post by MunkirNakir » Mon May 06, 2013 6:58 am

zinger wrote:
MunkirNakir wrote: zinger u will not find any human pics in my home, neither u will find any madeh playing which praises and compares any human to the level of ALLAH SUBHANU....

now pity ur own self for taking birth and most probably dieing like a kafir....

i already know i'm bound for hell, i havent done anything to deserve heaven. I'll meet you there. save me a place there next to you if you reach before me
I have not talk about hell or heaven,

I believe human deeds gives them hell and heaven in this world itself and after death it depends on ALLAH SUBHANU...

I have found my heaven in this world by following Al QURAAN and not bowing down to unjustice...

you have found ur hell by following tyrants and supporting them even when u know they are doing wrong....

this is the difference between you and me : )

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Unread post by Humsafar » Mon May 06, 2013 11:01 am

What happened in Amman is really sad and must be condemned in strongest terms. Violence is not the language we reformists speak. Those who are delighted by this incident and celebrating are not reformists. They speak for themselves and are not for reformists. The arguments they offer to justify this are really lame.
That said, it is the obligation of Dawat to officially condemn such acts of violence. First Karachi and now Amman. The Dawat must take immediate step to make sure that this sort of thing does not happen again. It has the duty and obligation to protect Bohra lives and properties.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Mon May 06, 2013 11:49 am

That galla collector coming down the ladder lived in the building. His share, plus the daily take is down the drain. The plans for hotels (musafirkhanas) all over are possibly put on hold. Mola ni dowa che.