Farman Al Vazarat us Saifya for Women

[SBM]

Here is the lecture by Dr Tahera Qutbuddin, Daughter of Syedi Mazoon What a contradiction between her and Muffadal BS
http://universe.byu.edu/2013/03/22/life ... lim-woman/

[Bohra spring]

Here is the lecture by Dr Tahera Qutbuddin, Daughter of Syedi Mazoon What a contradiction between her and Muffadal BS
http://universe.byu.edu/2013/03/22/life ... lim-woman/

I don't know to cry or celebrate...this is something we should show every woman , daughter , mother of what we can now only dream of the status of a Bohra woman.

Qutbudinn era has been robbed from Bohras. Can we reverse this?

If mazoon can educate his children to be modern day Muslim leaders and scholars respected internationally , I can imagine how he could have positively improved our affairs.

I also notice her modest choice of hijab headscarf worn by majority Muslim women ! Not the village parachute that bohri women are accustomed to.

[Nietzsche]

Don't be seduced by the mazoon and his well educated and intelligent family. The dai's family is not unintelligent, they use their intelligence to their advantage. Just because the mazoon's daughter preaches women's rights, it doesn't mean that following the mazoon's family will ameliorate the entire problem. It's just going to end up being a jump from one tyrant to the next. Gulam of Burhanuddin aqa will swiftly change to gulam of mazoon aqa.

[seeker110]

The well educated family has no compassion for the poor and yateem who are being robbed and bullied daily.
They could have refused their share of the loot.
They could have spoken against the atrocities.
Were they fed with halal earning since birth.
Humanity and Islam is out the window for 51st on down.
Money can buy education, but not learning.

If there is a power outage in Bombay, 52nd will be dead within minutes. Had to throw in a jab.

[like_minded]

Don't be seduced by the mazoon and his well educated and intelligent family. The dai's family is not unintelligent, they use their intelligence to their advantage. Just because the mazoon's daughter preaches women's rights, it doesn't mean that following the mazoon's family will ameliorate the entire problem. It's just going to end up being a jump from one tyrant to the next. Gulam of Burhanuddin aqa will swiftly change to gulam of mazoon aqa.

Very true!
Two sides of a same coin.

Stop human-worship..! If we have to worship, worship this planet which has given us life.

[Bohra spring]

I understand that Mazoon is not the ideal choice but as a compromise and knowing that many bohras are traditionalist I after some consideration although reluctantly change my position that Mazoom is a better choice instead of Mansoos.

He has blood line, he is moderate and will be acceptable to both abdes and reformists . This compromise is necessary if we have to peacefully and in unity transition from extreme tyranny to moderation and in later years as Bohra mature as tolerant society then the populace can choose a more suitable diai.

[wise_guy]

I understand that Mazoon is not the ideal choice but as a compromise and knowing that many bohras are traditionalist I after some consideration although reluctantly change my position that Mazoom is a better choice instead of Mansoos.

He has blood line, he is moderate and will be acceptable to both abdes and reformists . This compromise is necessary if we have to peacefully and in unity transition from extreme tyranny to moderation and in later years as Bohra mature as tolerant society then the populace can choose a more suitable diai.

According to bohra doctrine, choice of Dai is not through democracy. We have seen what is the condition in india where leaders are democratically elected.

[Bohra spring]

According to bohra doctrine, choice of Dai is not through democracy. We have seen what is the condition in india where leaders are democratically elected.

If you insist on doctrine then who do you blame for such a flawed choice ? And now that it is already a flawed choice what do you suggest we accept the error and consequence and watch the damage ?

If we don't accept the risk and force Mansoos to change and reform , how is that by doctrine because is this not suggesting that he is taking guidance from the populace and not Devine guidance so is that also not democracy.

Anyone but Mansoos , and at moment before it is too late Qutbi , ie if he agrees? And we have not tried to seriously seek his assistance. Qutbi is the easiest and likely way to get some progress in the reform movement and stop the train wreck.

[londonwala]

I find it very interesting that Bazat Tahera bahen saheba is not wearing a rida in the photograph. Bohra women are increasingly being forced to wear rida and are told that other types of hijab are unacceptable. Across the world jamaats have been instructed to encourage and enforce this. But Bazat Tahera is daughter of mazoon e da'wat, her sister is married to Mufaddal maula’s son, and yet she is not wearing rida.

I wonder how this is going down in Saifee mahal. This whole mazoon saheb/qutbi bohra issue is intriguing. I previously did not believe that mazoon saheb would leave this da’wat. However, it now appears to me that this may be a realistic possibility once syedna passes away. Mazoon himself is not an ideal a leadership candidate. His health is poor and his speech is very bad in that he is very hard to understand due to his throat condition. Pity the tens of thousands of bohras who have attended his Ashara waaz over the last many years, who cannot understand what he is saying.

However, unlike the rest of qasre aali, Mazoon saheb’s children are all highly educated and even have jobs in the outside world (academic ones). Mazoon saheb and most of his family have been sidelined and shunned for decades now by the rest of qasre aali. Many senior bohras have been open in their hatred of mazoon, especially in Surat Jamea, Mumbai and Cairo. After Syedna passes away this sidelining will only increase. Perhaps they will consider forming their own sect. This would be a very small one because vast majority of bohras will follow Mufaddal Maula.

[Bohra spring]

Londonwala...I don't disagree with your statements

But to others who is the alternative respected leader that the masses will accept to replace Mansoos that we can influence to challenge the establishment ?

[Bohra spring]

Mansoos agenda in suppressing women's development in secular activity sounds like related to these discussions . One can only draw more conclusion that he is not aligned to Shia traditions. This emphasises how deviant we have become . This flies in the face of abdes accusing reformists of Sunni tendency when actually they are closer to Sunni practises. This is by no means trying to cause the pioneers of Sunni but the modern day followers of the original sects.

The quotes below indicates that There is no basis in Shia ideology to suppress women into servants of men.

Besides the greater democratic tendencies in their political culture, Shiism is also known for allowing fairer gender relations than in Sunni society. Sexual inequality has been linked to the absence of democracy in the Muslim world without paying attention to the fact that Shiism is less conservative on this crucial issue than Sunnism. Steven Fish's research (2002) posits that an unusual degree of female subordination is the main causal mechanism explaining why Muslim countries are democratic under-performers. The logic is that relationships in family and community may reproduce themselves at the political level. Patriarchy produces domination and intolerance as well as dependence on "strongmen" in politics. Higher proportions of males to females in a society are said to feed into male aggression and frustration, which in turn invite repressive states. Isomorphism between hierarchical gender relations and an unequal polity is quite plausible since "oppression blocks the oppressor's own advancement and freedom" (2002, 30). Fish's data set compares Catholic countries with Muslim countries and finds that in terms of female literacy, gender empowerment, and sex ratio, the latter fare much worse. What would be interesting is a replication of the same data and measuring whether women in Shia-majority countries score better than women in Sunni-majority countries. At least on the measure of attitudes to women, the World Values Survey offers a lead about Shia-Sunni differences. A World Values Survey graph compares responses to the question of whether wives should obey husbands from 15 Muslim countries, only two of which (Iran and Iraq) have Shia majorities.

Paradoxically, Iraq scores the highest proportion of those strongly believing that wives should be subordinated to husbands. Given the insecurity and warfare prevalent in Iraq at the time of the survey, which was conducted in 2004, the rise in fundamentalist doctrines in the violent aftermath of Saddam Hussein's fall, and the backlog of decades of "Sunnification" under the guise of secular Baathist nationalism, these results could be misleading. Iran, which is a more stable Shia state, has a much lower proportion of respondents believing that wives should obey husbands than Sunni countries at comparable levels of development (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt). This figure is in spite of the deterioration in the condition of Iranian women under nearly 30 years of Shia theocracy. Albania and Bosnia are European Sunni countries that are secularized due to a history of communist rule. Kyrgyzstan is another Sunni majority ex-Communist country emerging from decades of coercive secularization, much like Turkey. If all the 47 Muslim majority countries of the world could be surveyed on the same question and compared, meaningful conclusions might possibly be drawn. A more refined strategy could be to see whether women's status differs within mixed Muslim countries between Shia and Sunni components. In the absence of surveys of this nature, this study will be confined to theological and practical differences between Shias and Sunnis on gender equality.

Shiism owes its existence to a woman, Zaynab, who bore witness to Imam Husayn's martyrdom at the battle of Karbala (A.D. 680) and played a major part in Shia history and piety along with her mother, Fatima. Shiism "celebrates the strong characters and bravery of female figures in a way that has no parallel in Sunnism" (Nasr 2006, 42). For Sunnis, the Prophet's wife, Aisha, is a venerable figure but only a jurist capable of committing error. In Shia popular belief, Fatima was sinless, representing the concept of the perfect human being (Insan al-Kamil), a position held by only a few throughout history. In the context of a culture where respect in society springs from association with religion, the honor for female foundational figures offers a theological opportunity to advance women's rights. The centrality of women to the symbolic repertory of Shiism means that, at times, it "served as a means for empowering women and helped to promote a sense of gender-specific identities for women" (Aghaie 2005). For instance, Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah, the spiritual mentor of Hezbollah in Lebanon, depicted Fatima and her husband Imam Ali as a model couple as they shared the housework. To Fadlallah, woman is not inferior to man because of the example of participation in public affairs by Fatima.

All the reports of her socio-political activities show us that it is absolutely possible for women to enter the social and cultural life. Therefore, there is no obstacle for a woman to become a Mujtahida [interpreter of scriptures] and for people to follow her Taqlid [model of imitation]. (Rosiny 2000, 210)

Shiite history records several female mujtahida and contemporary Iran has five of them, while there are no comparable Sunni counterparts (Espinosa 2005).

Lara Deeb's study of gender relations among Lebanese Shias (2005) shows how the examples of Zaynab motivate thousands of women to volunteer with social service organizations, seek formal employment and draw on her ideal of outspokenness in debates and dialogues about community development. In this way, modernization of gender relations among the Shias owes to the existence of historical memory of female emancipation, a heritage sorely lacking among Sunnis.

[ghulam muhammed]

THERE WERE NO SUCH FATWAS OF WEARING RIDAS IN THE EARLIER DAYS :-



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