Nikkahs Aglore

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SBM
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Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:36 pm

Now Ziyaafats have been replaced by Nikhas Aglore, There is more money and less work as AZ would say Su Nirali Shaan Chey...

Syedi Maulai Aali Qadr Mufaddal Bhai Saheb Saifuddin TUS Solemnized Nikah of Adnan saifuddin electricwala with D/o shabbir nooruddin sasta in Chennai on 26th Rajab ul Asab
26th Rajab, 1434
Syedi Maulai Aali Qadr Mufaddal Bhai Saheb Saifuddin TUS Solemnized Nikah of Moiz Taiyab Bhai Singaporewala with D/o Taher Hussaini bahi Gangly in Chennai on 26th Rajab ul Asab
26th Rajab, 1434
Syedi Maulai Aali Qadr Mufaddal Bhai Saheb Saifuddin TUS Solemnized Nikah of M MUSTAFA SAIFUDDIN BHAI TALIB with D/o SHK MOHAMMED SHK MOHSIN BHAI CHALLAWALA in Chennai on 26th Rajab ul Asab
26th Rajab, 1434

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:42 am

This is "HOLY MATRI-MONEY" section of Kothar Incorporated !

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:57 am

i have noticed that a lot of marriages hastily solemnised during these visits of more-la and zarda's etc, often break apart later. parents rush into these things just because they crave the attention and social prestige of having their children's nikaah done at the hands of so-and-so qasre aali. the engagements of these kids may have happened only a few weeks or months earlier, the girls and boys hardly have had time to know each other and then when a so-called royal descends on their town, they feel pressured by society and amil to rush into getting the nikaah done.

after all the hoopla is over and the tagda salaams swallowed by the rascals, the reality sets in. the euphoria over, issues of compatibility arise and the marriages break apart. the h'zaada gives a damn about what happens after he has pocketed his money.

while the families rue their haste, the zaada is laughing all the way to the bank.

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:04 am

Kothar Also overlooks legal age restriction of 18 ( girls) and 21 (boys) which is applicable in most countries including India.

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:14 pm

What is the difference in a nikah by a regular aamil and a zaada or a qasr e aali dude?? as long as both are doing it with the Dai's raza, they should be equal except for the hefty salaam afterwards. By tripping over themselves in their haste to do the nikah by a zaada or qasr e aali they are showing their lack of faith in raza and catering to their ego by doing big salaams as their bragging rights. As pointed out earlier these things are hastily arranged and tend to end up in divorce or spousal abuse. Same thing is also true for misaqs, it is no different on zaada's hands or on a aamil's hand. people have been sold by their PR machine that it is holier to do on a zaada's hand. people don't realize that zaadas also wear their ijars one leg at a time like aamils and also their shit stinks as bad as aamils. The only important criteria should be it should done by the raza of the Dai and nothing else.

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:22 pm

The zaadas have created a euphoria of sorts wherein abdes are competing with each other.......... one abde says "Maara dikra na nikah mola na falaana bhai ye padha", the other says "Maara to mola na falaana shehzada ye padha" and the filthy rich sheikh says "Maara dikra na nikah to Aliqadr ye padha". All this shows that mazun's and mukasir's significance have been reduced to only almost zero although they are much higher in status then the fursatya zaadas. The loyalties have shifted from Mazun and Mukasir to the greedy zaadas.

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:14 pm

This fancy wedding is an Indian cultural show off ...Large Indian wedding by the wealthy in society where they outdo each other is on the rise...the difference is in Bohra the Zadas exploited the business opportunity where instead of hiring celebrities like SK , we hire Zada, instead of Dance, ziafat, instead of reception decorated thaal.

All this for 2 seconds of fame and photo opportunity. However Islam does not require it.

I asked an Islamic scholar long time back and he mentioned Bohra wedding process are a breach and I took his advise.

There is no sakar or engagement and long pause permitted, because there could be Zina. The moment the girl and boy are ready they should perform Nikka and then the husband and wife should have access to intimacy. But in our case long engagement, night outs , many youth get intimate eg kissing, touching, then while waiting for nikkah , there-after intimacy only permitted after zafaf which is days and weeks away. So we have replaced the real ceremony of nikkah with a celebration process to please our egos where millions are spent.

I know the case of the "fair deal" sheikhs in Mombasa they invited their business partner this is no joke he uses them for his investments in EA, Mansoos , for wedding and invited the previous Prime Minister of Kenya..so it was more a meeting between the 2 and the groom and bride were part of the decoration .

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:12 pm

Nowadays there are ample cases of Nikah being performed way ahead of the actual wedding reception, sometimes it is even a year in advance. This is done for the sake of 'Samuh Nikah' or 'Mola na haath par Nikah'. As per bohra customs, zafaf doesn't take place after Nikah but only after the wedding reception which means that although the couple is legally married in the eyes of Allah (swt) they cannot live like husband and wife unless they are married in the eyes of the world............... What a mockery of Islam !!!

Bohra spring
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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:08 pm

Gm the way to kill this tradition is when a couple after Nikah goes full speed and bride gets pregnant ...in the ceremony the society can look amazed and she'll shocked but in eyes of Islam they are legit.

If otherwise Now imagine the chaos if after engagement and and as you say sometimes a year before nikah, if i was in the situation would have a tough time resisting nature how others do it kudos.. !. And before Nikah they go full speed, nikah bride need full size rida and during ceremonies the kid is seating in the photo shot ? :shock: islam sin, society egg..zada counting cash is vyapari he does not discriminate clients.

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by seeker110 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:01 pm

Those four month long walks in the summer evenings and nights gave us the glimpse of what to expect as a team. About the other thing, I tried but she rejected. I obliged.

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by zinger » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:27 am

seeker110 wrote:Those four month long walks in the summer evenings and nights gave us the glimpse of what to expect as a team. About the other thing, I tried but she rejected. I obliged.
haa haa haa, dude, dont worry, sabar ka phal meetha hota hain

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by zinger » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:29 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:Nowadays there are ample cases of Nikah being performed way ahead of the actual wedding reception, sometimes it is even a year in advance. This is done for the sake of 'Samuh Nikah' or 'Mola na haath par Nikah'. As per bohra customs, zafaf doesn't take place after Nikah but only after the wedding reception which means that although the couple is legally married in the eyes of Allah (swt) they cannot live like husband and wife unless they are married in the eyes of the world............... What a mockery of Islam !!!

agreed... my poor bro had the same problem, bechara, :lol: he had to wait for 4 months cause his to-be-saasu had fallen desperately ill with typhoid and jaundice and all

thankfully, my nikah and reception was just 2 days apart

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by Maqbool » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:17 am

I think the nikah by Moula, Mansoos or Sahzad is a FEVICOL nikah which will never break!

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:17 am

Such is euphoria or showmanship prevalent in bohras, that in recent one day trip of mansoos to Kuwait, around 15 – 19 nikahs were arranged at a notice of 2 days. Recently engaged or even haphazardly arranged couples were lined up. I saw these poor-rich kids were sitting exhausted and tired through the day waiting for their turn of 3 minute ceremony.

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Re: Nikkahs Aglore

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:33 am

nobody seems to understand the game plan behind these 'jhat mangni, patt byah' nikahs. because soon after the 'jhat mangni, patt byah' you will have 'phat talaq'.

so now imagine if 30-40% couples separate because of mola ni dua and incompatibility, they will need to get married again. the amil keeps note of such talaq's and as soon as he realises that enough numbers have been built up with fresh candidates also coming into the market, lo and behold, the zarda descends onto that hapless town again and another round of 'jhat mangni, patt byah, phat talaq' takes place.

add to these, abdes willing to be slaughtered for ziyafats, paghlas, kadambosi's, buying bogus titles of shaikh, mulla etc and you have the potential of looting 10-15 crores even from a hick, one-horse town!

over the last few decades, the h-zaadas have slowly been transformed into vampires. they love blood, abde blood especially. their teeth have mutated into fangs and they sleep hanging upside down like nocturnal bats. saifee mahal has become an abode for blood-thirsty monsters and will soon be re-named the "castle of vlad the impaler" or "vilad mahal". since ordinary dentists cannot attend to their teeth, they have got a team of sinister but expert dental practitioners from transylvania, who not only clean the h'zaada vampires' teeth, they routinely polish and sharpen their fangs for maximum puncture efficiency and extraction of fresh warm abde blood.

the stroke of genius is that everytime an abde's blood is extracted, a pain-killing chemical is also injected with the bite. this not only deadens all sensations for the victims, but alters their minds so that they submit even more willingly next time, they actually line up very happily to have their life-blood sucked out of them. this is also the modus operandi of the anopheles mosquito, leaches and other species which survive by employing similar tactics.