Shahzada & Shahzadies and other in Kothar

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Shahzada & Shahzadies and other in Kothar

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Unread post by badrijanab » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:27 pm

Please advise:

Q1. Do they go to play in clubs like golf or other games? Wearing libaas-a-anwaar or pant/t-shirts?
Q2. Do they eat out in restaurants (non Bohras)?
Q3. Where they park their mountains of money? What do they do with so much money!!!?
Q4. Has anyone been into Badri / Saify mahal? If yes, please elaborate about what activities are performed and about the infrastructure.
Q5. Most important question: Have they published any Research paper or Analytical reports on Bohraism / Ismailism or similar theology in any international journals?

Thanks

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:14 pm

badrijanab wrote:Do they eat out in restaurants (non Bohras)?
A few years ago I had many times seen zaadis going to Samarkand restaurant at the Oberoi Hotel, Nariman Point after midnight, they changed their ridas in the car and stepped into the restaurant in western outfits.

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Unread post by think » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:36 pm

you can talk all day about halal and haram but in the good old us of A they hop skip into Mc Donalads and other eateries. Have also seen a zada in pant shirt in las vegas.

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Unread post by badrijanab » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:40 pm

Thanks bhai GM and Think sahib.

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:04 pm

Badrijanab:

Don't know the answers to many of your questions but one thing I know for sure that 2 families in qasr e aali are quite accomplished
1) Mazoon saheb's all children) I think he has 5 or6) are jamea graduates and have also done PhDs in Egypt or USA or UK or in the process of doing it. one of his daughters was a professor in Harvard and Univ of Chicago. Her thesis was on Syedna Moyyed Shirazi.

2) Mansoo Mufaddal ?Bhaisaheb's all 3 sons are very accomplished as well, one of them just received a PhD from a Cairo univ. another one is an author of some books and 3rd one is the Al Azhar trained Haafiz and Qari who is now heading the hifz program in our Jamea with great success.

I have no idea what others are doing except following and lifting the palki of SMB.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:13 pm

They are probably outcasts. Sidelined.

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Unread post by badrijanab » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:16 pm

Kaka Akela wrote:Badrijanab:

Don't know the answers to many of your questions but one thing I know for sure that 2 families in qasr e aali are quite accomplished
1) Mazoon saheb's all children) I think he has 5 or6) are jamea graduates and have also done PhDs in Egypt or USA or UK or in the process of doing it. one of his daughters was a professor in Harvard and Univ of Chicago. Her thesis was on Syedna Moyyed Shirazi.

2) Mansoo Mufaddal ?Bhaisaheb's all 3 sons are very accomplished as well, one of them just received a PhD from a Cairo univ. another one is an author of some books and 3rd one is the Al Azhar trained Haafiz and Qari who is now heading the hifz program in our Jamea with great success.

I have no idea what others are doing except following and lifting the palki of SMB.
Thanks Kaka Ji and please do check the Private Message (PM) I sent you many days back.

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:22 pm

Badrijanab:

I don't have the foggiest idea as to how and where to check for your PM??

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Unread post by badrijanab » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:50 pm

Kaka Akela wrote:Badrijanab:

I don't have the foggiest idea as to how and where to check for your PM??
Kaka Ji, on the left top side of this web page is text "Forum - Bohras and Reform", below this line is written, "User Control Panel - 1 new message - view your posts"

Click on "1 new messages", your PM inbox will open.

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Unread post by trvoice » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:51 pm

Q1. Do they go to play in clubs like golf or other games? Wearing libaas-a-anwaar or pant/t-shirts?
A1. Yes most members of Saifee Mahal are regular members at upscale clubs. These guys are into hunting, flying, horse breeding, world tours and those kind of activities.

Q2. Do they eat out in restaurants (non Bohras)?
A2. Yes on a regular basis, including sea food

Q3. Where they park their mountains of money? What do they do with so much money!!!?
A3. Real Estate period. Most Gen2 and Gen3's income come from rent of these RE properties

Q4. Has anyone been into Badri / Saify mahal? If yes, please elaborate about what activities are performed and about the infrastructure.
A4-1. Badri Mahal is corporate office, where all the day to day affairs of Dawat are managed and kothar are the work force who do this work. Mind you they are just pawns or clerks mostly.
A4-2 Saifee Mahal is they royal residence of Syedna and Gen1 and Gen2 Qasre aali. Gen3 and further downline generations are accommodated in nearby buildings/flats.

Q5. Most important question: Have they published any Research paper or Analytical reports on Bohraism / Ismailism or similar theology in any international journals?
A5. No there has not been and never there will be. Is there any research or reports on how Vatican operates internally ? Although you can pretty much get idea from relays, videos and other publications and thats all to it, WYSIWYG by face value

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:50 pm

badrijanab wrote:Please advise:

Q1. Do they go to play in clubs like golf or other games? Wearing libaas-a-anwaar or pant/t-shirts?

yes, zaadas love ball games, esp golf, where they have to try really hard to put their balls into a tiny hole. they wear pants over their hijaars and golf shirts over their kurta/saaya. after completing each hole, they do shukr no sajdo, then obtain raza for the next hole and so on. if the ball falls into the rough or into a pond, they promptly pray 2 rakat namaz for tulul umr of syedna and then ask for his dua. lo and behold, the ball magically appears. at the end of each round a majlis is held with madehs such as sajda tujhe wajib hai and purjosh maatam, followed by labrez jaman.

Q2. Do they eat out in restaurants (non Bohras)?

yes, they disguise themselves as non-bohras and fall upon the victuals like wolves upon the fold. they usually ask for the maitre'd's table in the kitchen so they can be far from prying eyes. the h'zaadas will eat anything. they usually bbq the meat of the lions, elephants and wild animals they kill in africa.

Q3. Where they park their mountains of money? What do they do with so much money!!!?

for this you have to send in an arzi to muffy, under the right-to-information act, via your local amil. he will reply in due course, perhaps in person, after you invite him for kadambosi and pagla with a ticket on qatari airlines

Q4. Has anyone been into Badri / Saify mahal? If yes, please elaborate about what activities are performed and about the infrastructure.

plenty of us have been inside these dens of evil, but only superficially. to delve deep into the bowels of these 2 orgy chambers, one must be the member of qasre aali or attend secret rituals where human sacrifices are performed.

Q5. Most important question: Have they published any Research paper or Analytical reports on Bohraism / Ismailism or similar theology in any international journals?

who are 'they'? who would publish such papers and why would they do so? what is the benefit to be derived in obtaining or disseminating useless knowledge when the community is willing to be looted and 'royally' screwed without any such papers being published?

Thanks

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Unread post by aftabm » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:58 am

Dr Bazaat Tahera Qutbuddin, Daughter of Mazoon e Dawat, is associate professor of arabic studies at U of chicago. She apparently has published few articles and written a book on syedi moyyed shirazi. She holds a PhD in Arabic studies from Harvard and has taught in Yale.

http://nelc.uchicago.edu/faculty/qutbuddin

I couldnt find any one else from Royal family, with any modern degree (earned by studying, not by donating money).

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Unread post by badrijanab » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:21 am

aftabm wrote:Dr Bazaat Tahera Qutbuddin, Daughter of Mazoon e Dawat, is associate professor of arabic studies at U of chicago. She apparently has published few articles and written a book on syedi moyyed shirazi. She holds a PhD in Arabic studies from Harvard and has taught in Yale.

http://nelc.uchicago.edu/faculty/qutbuddin

I couldnt find any one else from Royal family, with any modern degree (earned by studying, not by donating money).
Thanks Aftab bhai. That was very important piece of information.

Best regards

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Unread post by Adam » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:28 am

Shz Hatim BS has done work on the Majalis of Syedna Moiyed al Shirazi for Oxford University, and was a Professor there for some time.

Jafar al Sadiq Bs (eldest son of Syedi Mufaddal BS)

Al Aqmar : A Living Testimony to the Fatemiyeen
al Juyushi: A Vision of the Fatemiyeen

http://www.amazon.com/Jafar-us-Sadiq-M. ... B001KCJZ76
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-a ... 0Saifuddin

He recently received his Doctorate from the University of Cairo for his work on Syedna Moiyyed al Shirazi.

Mazoon Sahebs children including Tahera BS, Husain BS have been mentioned earlier.

These are just a few.

Al Jamea Tus Saifiyah has numerous works by other Bohras. Contact them.

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Unread post by badrijanab » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:19 am

Adam wrote:Shz Hatim BS has done work on the Majalis of Syedna Moiyed al Shirazi for Oxford University, and was a Professor there for some time.

Jafar al Sadiq Bs (eldest son of Syedi Mufaddal BS)

Al Aqmar : A Living Testimony to the Fatemiyeen
al Juyushi: A Vision of the Fatemiyeen

http://www.amazon.com/Jafar-us-Sadiq-M. ... B001KCJZ76
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-a ... 0Saifuddin

He recently received his Doctorate from the University of Cairo for his work on Syedna Moiyyed al Shirazi.

Mazoon Sahebs children including Tahera BS, Husain BS have been mentioned earlier.

These are just a few.

Al Jamea Tus Saifiyah has numerous works by other Bohras. Contact them.
Thanks bhai Adam sahib.

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Unread post by zinger » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:42 am

Adam wrote:Shz Hatim BS has done work on the Majalis of Syedna Moiyed al Shirazi for Oxford University, and was a Professor there for some time.

Jafar al Sadiq Bs (eldest son of Syedi Mufaddal BS)

Al Aqmar : A Living Testimony to the Fatemiyeen
al Juyushi: A Vision of the Fatemiyeen

http://www.amazon.com/Jafar-us-Sadiq-M. ... B001KCJZ76
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-a ... 0Saifuddin

He recently received his Doctorate from the University of Cairo for his work on Syedna Moiyyed al Shirazi.

Mazoon Sahebs children including Tahera BS, Husain BS have been mentioned earlier.

These are just a few.

Al Jamea Tus Saifiyah has numerous works by other Bohras. Contact them.
Hi Adam bhai, welcome back. long time.

thanks for the info

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:14 pm

zinger wrote: Hi Adam bhai, welcome back. long time.
it touches the innermost recesses of one's heart to see so much warmth of feelings between 2 abde dai 'lovers' and dai's sajda makers... may the dai bless you both!

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:46 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
zinger wrote: Hi Adam bhai, welcome back. long time.
it touches the innermost recesses of one's heart to see so much warmth of feelings between 2 abde dai 'lovers' and dai's sajda makers... may the dai bless you both!
I really feel for you, and understand your "innermost" jealousy.
You've probably never experienced brotherly in belief love.
انما المؤمنون اخوة (Mumins are brothers)
So sad. :(

may the dai bless you both!


Ameen.

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Unread post by LionHunter » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:39 am

Adam wrote:
Al Zulfiqar wrote: it touches the innermost recesses of one's heart to see so much warmth of feelings between 2 abde dai 'lovers' and dai's sajda makers... may the dai bless you both!
I really feel for you, and understand your "innermost" jealousy.
You've probably never experienced brotherly in belief love.
انما المؤمنون اخوة (Mumins are brothers)
So sad. :(

may the dai bless you both!


Ameen.
correct momeens are brothers then why different colours of safai chitthis? and different places in mosque?

arent they suppose to be equal status?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:04 am

LionHunter wrote:
Adam wrote: انما المؤمنون اخوة (Mumins are brothers)
correct momeens are brothers then why different colours of safai chitthis? and different places in mosque?

arent they suppose to be equal status?

Adam bhai - reply awaited.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:14 am

Adam wrote:
I understand your "innermost" jealousy.
jealousy for what??!! for not being a slave, who is humiliated, raped and looted 24/7 and still has to sing sajda tujhe wajib hai and do sajda to a mortal human being?

as for your pompous statement of all momeens being brothers, answer lionhunter.

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:59 pm

badrijanab wrote:
LionHunter wrote: correct momeens are brothers then why different colours of safai chitthis? and different places in mosque?
arent they suppose to be equal status?

Adam bhai - reply awaited.
Huh? What does Safai Chitty have to do with any of this?
They are still brothers none the less. Big brother or small brother.

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Unread post by LionHunter » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:27 pm

Adam wrote:
badrijanab wrote:


why different color and different treatment to poor brothers?

money makes some body big brother? what about imaaan? what if some ayyash ubaash like mufaddal have made more money then other? it makes him big brother?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:02 pm

There is no brotherly love between the upper echelons of the bohra hierarchy/clergy and the ordinary abde. This proves that the bohra leaders do not follow the Quran, nor do they understand it. A brother doesn't require a brother to kiss his feet or thighs or to bow down before him. Unless, the Dai is not a brother, hence, not a mumin. Try to approach a Dai without bowing down before him and see how you kicked in the butt by people like Adam!!

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:08 pm

Infact, the irony is that when people like Modi visit the Dai, he is treated way better than any mumin "brother". Infact, you might even see the Dai and other zaadas bowing down in front of him!!

Or may be, as porus has said before that the Dai has debunked the literal meaning of every ayah of the Quran and the words are interpreted with exalted spiritual significance, انما المؤمنون اخوة actually means "You are subservient to the Dai and need to bow down in front of him and get kicked by his zaadas while paying money to them."!!

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:40 pm

Is there any difference between rishwat and whatever Dai collects. Or one is worse than the other?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:05 pm

With rishwat, you get something in return. With the Dai, you get jack shit and that includes people like Adam.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:15 pm

Comon man .An abde friend describes the difference between shiekh and commoner is two nankhatae's. That is what one gets for 27 lakhs. The two Nankhatae's is at someones fateha ( Tijya).

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Unread post by Maqbool » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:05 am

Look, again the Adam has cleverly avoided answering the query of LH in full. He has omitted the Masjid subject. This is his usual practice. After all he is here to defend his master and not to see the true vision.

The Safaichitty is defiantly against brotherhood, but the Adam will never except the fact. After all he is here to defend the master and to convert his jooth in shuch.

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Unread post by LionHunter » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:11 am

I have not seen naffat admi like Adam in my entire life :roll: