Fantastic Claims by Local Amils

[humanbeing]

Everything happens with “Raza Mubarak” of Dai and Mansoos.

So are the local level bayaans / sermons controlled / supervised / regulated by central kothar administration ?

I hear fantastic, over the top, unbelievable, exaggerated claims, titles and achievement dished out by local amils in the “Shanaat” of Sayedna and Mansoos and about being bohra.. Few that I remember are :

If one takes the wood of all forest to make pen and water of all the seas as ink, it would still be less to write “Shanaat” of 52nd Dai

Sayedna’s deen is mukammal (complete), he need not pray or fast to impress allah, but it is his ehsaan and karam that he prays and fasts for adna mumins like us (gunhegaar).

When bohra mumins will be dumped into hell fire, sayedna will extend his hand and pull out the bohra mumins out of hell and take them to jannat.

Bohra mumins are pure by virtue of their birth in bohra blood, because of parents misaak to Dai/Imam.

When bohra mumins shake hands (greet) each other wishing mikaats, their sins (gunaaho) are shaken off by such social act. (wow would it be that easy ?)

It is ehsaan, karam and rehmatful eyes of sayedna on bohra mumins, that they are prosperous and healthy.

Member can add more such GEMS from Kothar….

[SBM]

[When bohra mumins will be dumped into hell fire, sayedna will extend his hand and pull out the bohra mumins out of hell and take them to jannat.
W]hy in the first place Bohras will be dumped in Hell Fire unless Moula who is holding hand is heading the wrong way

Bohra mumins are pure by virtue of their birth in bohra blood, because of parents misaak to Dai/Imam.
So what happend to two Dais Raja Bharmal and Raja Tarmal who became BOHRA DAI and were not Bohra by birth, Does that means the current line of Dais since those two who blood was not pure by virtue of their parents had NO misak

When bohra mumins shake hands (greet) each other wishing mikaats, their sins (gunaaho) are shaken off by such social act. (wow would it be that easy ?)
Then why Kothari Goons put RUMAAL when shaking hands with other Muminees may be because Kothari Goons do not want to transfer their GUNNAH to other Abdes

It is ehsaan, karam and rehmatful eyes of sayedna on bohra mumins, that they are prosperous and healthy.
Why STS is so sick and NOT Healthy becasue he does not his oSo wn ehsaan-Karam or rehatful eyes of himself

[badrijanab]

[When bohra mumins will be dumped into hell fire, sayedna will extend his hand and pull out the bohra mumins out of hell and take them to jannat.
W]hy in the first place Bohras will be dumped in Hell Fire unless Moula who is holding hand is heading the wrong way

Mumin can end in hell means, the "chit'thi" (visa of paradise) kept in grave is useless!

[Al Zulfiqar]

i have heard an amil - juzer zakavi - the ex-amil of toronto, once recounting this story in a vaez, that the amil of a particular town, who was wealthy in his own right, refused to take salaams from bohras, considering it an excess not befitting him, as he did not need that money from simple, ordinary bohras.

well guess what, that amil was severely reprimanded by the zaadas! why? because this amil was told that he was wrong, when syedna himself accepts salaams from ordinary momeen then who is this amil compared to syedna?? syedna has beshumaar daulat, daulat of deen and duniya, over the jaan ane maal of his mumeneen, over haqiqat and akherat, over the past and the present and future, yet he humbly accepts the money salaams, not because he needs the money, but he (syedna) is doing an ehsaan and granting sawaab to the momeen whose adna salaam he has taken! the errant amil was made to realise that he was an arrogant s.o.b. who deserved no place in the dai's system. he was made to apologise and mend his stupid ways. then juzer zakavi went on to narrate that even mohammed and ali used to take the meagre money offerings of their followers and shower the munificence of sawab on the simple muslims by accepting their salaam.

wah bhai wah! this b.s. was enough for me to quietly leave and marvel at the impudence and gall of these rascals who have the unique ability to twist facts and fool this community of sheep.

[anajmi]

If one takes the wood of all forest to make pen and water of all the seas as ink, it would still be less to write “Shanaat” of 52nd Dai

Yet another example of the bohra descent into the mushrikeen.

Allah says in the Quran
31:27 And if all the trees on earth were pens, and the sea ink, with seven [morel seas yet added to it, the words of God would not be exhausted: for, verily, God is almighty, wise.

The bohras have replaced Allah with the Dai!!

[Safiuddin]

Of course. It's apparent to any jaahil that when Burhanuddin is the
living haqeeqi kaaba, for what purpose does one need a God?

[badrijanab]

If one takes the wood of all forest to make pen and water of all the seas as ink, it would still be less to write “Shanaat” of 52nd Dai

Yet another example of the bohra descent into the mushrikeen.

Allah says in the Quran
31:27 And if all the trees on earth were pens, and the sea ink, with seven [morel seas yet added to it, the words of God would not be exhausted: for, verily, God is almighty, wise.

The bohras have replaced Allah with the Dai!!

Mahamoorkh Anajmi,

Not Bohras, but all non-Bohras are mushriq.

The red bold underlined text refers - use "Kothar" not "The Bohras".

@ Admin - Anajmi is abusing the freedom of this Forum. I sincerely suggest he should be banned.

[anajmi]

When I said bohras, I meant the bad bohras. Not good bohras like you who never manipulate the words of the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet (saw) and never quote half ayahs and hadiths!!

[humanbeing]

that the amil of a particular town, who was wealthy in his own right, refused to take salaams from bohras, considering it an excess not befitting him, as he did not need that money from simple, ordinary bohras.

There was/is an amil in a small town called Sagwara in Rajasthan. That Amil is a rich businessman but now devoted to Dawat-ni-Khidmat. He refuses to take money salaam from all and sundry at any occasion. He also stopped the money salam system amongst sheikhs and others. He is unpopular for his strict outlook ; banned women from venturing out alone or sit outside home for evening gossip ( it is a popular timepass in wagaar region), humiliates clean shaven people publicly and other stricter diktats not well digested by rich waagariyaas !
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Kothar has very smartly interwoven walayat with wealth ! each and every gesture and act for Kothari Inc is measured in materials offerings.

[stranger]

When bohra mumins will be dumped into hell fire, sayedna will extend his hand and pull out the bohra mumins out of hell and take them to jannat.

Well, I heard from Syedna (TUS) that Its the Imam uz Zaman who will extend his hand and pull out the bohra mumins out of hell and take them to jannat.

Aamil have manipulated and replaced Imam uz Zaman with Sydena. It seems. Not Sure if he did it with Raza.

[stranger]

Also,

In live Waseela this year on lailatul Qadr...At the end, the presentation ceremony, as i would call it. I guess He was Malik ul Ashtar Bhaisaheb who was speaking.
Said like Sydena ye aa farmaayu...Pachi aaam farmaayu....and so on. I was wondering that If i am right then Sydena (TUS) is currently not even in position to speak a word, let the talking alone.
Hows its possible then, Isnt it ?

[LFT]

"Well, I heard from Syedna (TUS) that Its the Imam uz Zaman who will extend his hand and pull out the bohra mumins out of hell and take them to jannat.
Aamil have manipulated and replaced Imam uz Zaman with Sydena. It seems. Not Sure if he did it with Raza"

Sorry, but I think this is coming from the very top. On Lailat-ul-Qadr, Malik BS said that Syedna (TUS) and Mansoos will come to the qabr and do shafaat. He was not really leaving any manoevering room between elevation of Dai with Iman/Panjatan. Mansoos was sitting right there and didnt correct him which means he agrees.

[humanbeing]

There are countless instances where Amils are exaggerating and elevating Dai to Godly and Imamate levels.

Maula-ni-dua, Ehsan-ane-Karam, etc are fed into commoners minds day in and day out. Many / Most amils claims that income earned by bohras is because of Dai’s blessings, rehmat, ehsaan ane karam.

Bohra’s prayers, charities, worship etc will be accepted only when Dai accepts / validates them. With recent discussion on Intercession ( Shafaa’at). The list runs long and Bohra are in monopolistic control of Dai to have their Ibaadat accepted / validated to Allah. In this whole chain of intercession Allah has become the Last link.

Amil – Dai – Imam – Prophet – Allah !

My objection is not with concept of intercession., but how this concept can be easily exploited to create cults, its there to see !

Do majority of bohras really care at authenticity of Amil’s claims and bayaans ?

There seems to be now no accountability with any matter whatsoever, any tom and harry is walking up the podium and singing exaggerated claims to audience who can just sit and listen !!

[Smart]

#Feku applies to Narendra Modi, so by the same logic #Fekufamily should apply to Syedna's family.

[humanbeing]

In recent Nabi-na-Naam waseela and bayan, the Local Amil narrated following rivayat in relation to Shafaa’at ( intercession)

When Nikaah Mubarak of Fatema SAW was done with Ali SAW, Prophet Muhammad PBUH enquired with Ma Fatema ; regarding the Meher amount of 4000 dinar sufficient and acceptable to her? To which Ma Fatema replied that, she prefers another privilege in return of Meher, which is; permission to Intercede ( to do shafaa’at) for Mumineen , in response, Prophet Muhammad with permission of Allah write a letter ( RUKA CHITTI) and handed it over to Ma Fatema.

Few years later, at death bed of Ma Fatema when Imam Ali was next to Ma Fatema comforting her in the illness. Ma Fatema sensing her end near, she requested Imam Ali to bring the Jar-of-Tears and the Ruka Chitti to be placed in grave, so that Ma Fatema can intercede for Mumineen and sprinkle her tears to douse the hell fire cursed upon sinner mumineen.

Is this event really true ?
Is keeping material articles in grave permissible in Islam ?

[anajmi]

There is nothing true in this fairy tale. Kotharis and their lackeys have been exploiting the "panjatan" for centuries with these fairy tales!!

The "panjatan" for these people are 5 actors. They act in these stories that the kotharis create to justify their abuses. If these abuses have a backstory with the "panjatan" playing those parts, then the "lovers" of ahlul bayt do not question these abuses!!

I guarantee the kotharis will find a story when Ali and Hussain competed on whose namaz was faster and Hussain won with a 20 second namaz and Ali was slower on purpose to let his son win for the sake of the mumineen because it would be difficult for the mumineen to complete a namaz in 10 seconds!!

[ghulam muhammed]

in response, Prophet Muhammad with permission of Allah write a letter ( RUKA CHITTI) and handed it over to Ma Fatema.

As is always the case, this story is deliberately fabricated in order to justify "Ruku Chithi" given by the Dai although none of the Dais prior to the 51st have ever issued such blanket permits to Jannat !!

[humanbeing]

A new Mind Control Technique is being executed by kothar machinery. Most of the bayans, rivayats of prophet and ahle bait gets directly related to 52nd and 53rd Dai. A subtle comparison is made implanting a thought of divinity of Kothari royals into commoners minds.

“Imam Hussain / satr na imam ne jovu hoy to Apna Dai Sayedna Mohamed Burahnuddin ne Joy lo”

“Sayedna Mohamed Burahnuddin ne Jovu hoy, to Apna Maula Ali Qadar Mufaddal Maula ne Joy lo”

Time and again, randomly, indirectly, subtle and loud, regularly they drill this affirmations down the bohra minds. And its working !!! I talk to few of my abde relatives and I m amazed at which they are brainwashed and in trance of Kothari royals.

[think]

now it is not one but two. everytime we hear; " bave moula ne ziafat nasib thai" beve moula ne tulul umer thai" all kinds of duas are fro both the moulas. Karachi is completely being brainwashed with such kind of sayings.
big birthday cakes were cut by the local mohalla amils of karachi on the 23rd night to celebrate the birthday of mr. muffi. where is the sense of cake cutting by a local amil for mr. muffi who is in saifee masjid , bombay leading the prayers. such is the stupidity of these brainwashed people. Birthday is someone elses and cake cutting is done by some one else .

[humanbeing]

The toolul umr ni namaz for bewe maula is interesting, I wonder who scripted the niyyet ? it says in between ‘Mufaddal Bhaisaaheb’ ! , amusing to see use of urdu / hindi words in between Arabic niyyet ! Kothar needs to improvise, they can explore or invent a new word in lisaan-e-dawat more aligned to Arabic and make the namaaz niyyet complete Arabic !