how do elaborate makbara's elevate the status?

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Al Zulfiqar
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how do elaborate makbara's elevate the status?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:19 am

this is a question to the aalims on this board.

how does building elaborate makbara's impact on the worldly character and status of the individual buried therein? let us assume that tomorrow dawood ibrahim dies and his family constructs a beautiful mausoleum around his kabr, decorate it with marble carvings, gilded arches and domes inlaid with expensive imported and engraved tiles and inscribe its walls with the quran in letters of gold and embedded with diamonds, would it mean that all his sins - murders, banditry, money laundering, prostitution rackets, drug rackets, hawala rackets, extortion, intimidation etc - are forgiven by allah? just by the fact of having a makbara costing hundreds of crores and having the quran inscribed in it, would it elevate his status? or the most relevant million dollar question, does the act of inscribing the quran on the walls surrounding his kabr result in committing desecration (tauheen) of the quran?

bohras of late have taken to erecting grand mausoleums around the kabrs of their ancestors. this raises pertinent and disturbing questions such as the ones above.

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:39 am

would it mean that all his sins - murders, banditry, money laundering, prostitution rackets, drug rackets, hawala rackets, extortion, intimidation etc - are forgiven by allah?

No.

would it elevate his status?

It is a form of respect shown be his belowed. Just as in the past when Qubbas were built around the graves of Prophets, Panjatan and Imams. Unfortunately, your Wahabi friends destroyed them.

does the act of inscribing the quran on the walls surrounding his kabr result in committing desecration (tauheen) of the quran?

Not at all.
By ingraving the Quran in gold, reveres the quran and sanctifies it, in a highly respected manner.
What more respectful to write the words of Allah, in the most valued mineral in the world?
I'm sure your Wahabi friends would agree. The threads made for the Cloth of the Ka'ba where the Quran is stitched, is also made of gold. Nothing wrong with that.
The Quran has also been inscribed by the Shias on Moulana Alis and Imam Husains Zareeh and Mazaar in Karbala and Najaf.

Before you think of "TRYING" to sneak a few insults on DBs.
Think smart.
Don't let your hatred blind you.

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Re: how do elaborate makbara's elevate the status?

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:46 am

The Zareehs of Maolana Ali and Imam Husain ETC. have few aayats of quran regarding the Martyr who died in the way of Allah and not the whole Quran.
In any case are you elevating the Dai to the panjatan level or even above them as the STS has whole Quran in his makbara??

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:55 am

Nothing wrong with that.
Actually there is plenty wrong with that but you are a chameleon. Where Wahhabis do what you do, they become your friends now don't they? Just because a Wahhabi is doing it doesn't make it right. An ayah of the Quran written on the heart is more valuable than the one which is written in gold on the wall. How many people actually read the Quran that is written in gold on the walls you moron? Spend the money, instead of the gold, to teach Quran to the kids who cannot afford it. The prophet (saw) has said that the best amongst you is one who teaches and the one who learns the Quran. Not the one who writes it in gold!!

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: how do elaborate makbara's elevate the status?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:37 pm

adam,

you are an expert in fancy footwork, gingerly goose-stepping around the 'real issues. for all your obstinacy and defense of the haramkhor daawat, you are not a fool and you know very well where i am going with this.

1. i do not have any wahabi friends, do you? it seems quite possible you have cultivated a few fanatic wahabi's and include them in your close circle of friends, esp. those who agree with your kufr.
2. according to you, inscribing the quran in letters of gold and precious stones is an act of reverence and sanctifies the quran. my specific question (which you cleverly skirted around) was: what if those quranic inscriptions surround the grave of a known and proven criminal? by deliberately ignoring his crimes and tyranny against humanity and instead attempting to throw a blanket of respectability (by employing religiosity) on his evil deeds and inscribing the quran around his naapaak kabr, does that not mean tauheen of the quran? is it not a sinister and cruel stratagem mis-using the quran to somehow show that the rascal lying therein was a saint?

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Unread post by JC » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:26 pm

First question is WHY do you need a Makbara?? All the prophets have been buried is simple graves, thats it. So when first wrong is done, more wrongs are added.
If you give hundreds of milk baths to a black cat, will that turn black cat white?? NEVER.
Same is true for reciting Fateha or Quran Khatums or Hajj Badals for a corrupt and sinful individual ..... God is not that naive ... :roll: in the same way million of Lanat-ullahs would not change the status of good people.

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Unread post by Adam » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:37 am

First question is WHY do you need a Makbara?

Ask Al Zulfiqar.

P.S - Yes, if Dawoodi Ibrahim isn't a good guy (I don't know him too well), the Quran wouldn't help him, if he didn't act according to his religion.


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Re: how do elaborate makbara's elevate the status?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:27 am

Adam wrote:
Yes, if Dawoodi Ibrahim isn't a good guy (I don't know him too well), the Quran wouldn't help him, if he didn't act according to his religion.
thank you. thank you!! so that means that (syedna) taher saifuddin isn't being helped any by inscribing the quran in gold around his kabr, as he was a known criminal and did not act according to islam and even common principles of humanity. his crimes against his family members, his conviction in the chandabhai galla case, his persecution and unleashing of terror against the family of his maternal uncle (mamaji) - the luqmanji's, his vicious vendetta against the family of adamjee peerbhai, his aggressively seeking fancy worldly titles such as sarkar e aali, sardaar, etc from the british rulers, his turning the community into slaves by making them call themselves abdesyedna's, changing the sacred misaq by adding allegiance to himself and abrogating to himself supreme powers equal in authority to allah and even claiming it in court; all these and more evil misdeeds abundantly prove that he was totally acting against islam and our deen and the hypocritical act of inscribing the quran on the walls of his tomb is a travesty and tauheen of the holy quran.

it is fitting justice that his kabr is located above a former sewer and in the midst of filth and squalor. no matter how hard his sons try to elevate his status by throwing in gold and diamonds on the walls or renovating bhendi bazaar to highlight his tomb, the fact remains that mis-using the quran will not turn this criminal into a saint.
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Unread post by JC » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:37 am

Adam,
What do you think of Pyramids? One thing is sure - they are worth seeing!! what else??

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Re: how do elaborate makbara's elevate the status?

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Unread post by AbdeSMBSMS » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:52 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:this is a question to the aalims on this board.

how does building elaborate makbara's impact on the worldly character and status of the individual buried therein? let us assume that tomorrow dawood ibrahim dies and his family constructs a beautiful mausoleum around his kabr, decorate it with marble carvings, gilded arches and domes inlaid with expensive imported and engraved tiles and inscribe its walls with the quran in letters of gold and embedded with diamonds, would it mean that all his sins - murders, banditry, money laundering, prostitution rackets, drug rackets, hawala rackets, extortion, intimidation etc - are forgiven by allah? just by the fact of having a makbara costing hundreds of crores and having the quran inscribed in it, would it elevate his status? or the most relevant million dollar question, does the act of inscribing the quran on the walls surrounding his kabr result in committing desecration (tauheen) of the quran?

bohras of late have taken to erecting grand mausoleums around the kabrs of their ancestors. this raises pertinent and disturbing questions such as the ones above.
The Same has been done to your Leader Akbarbhoy peerbhoy so his sins have been forgiven by Allah.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:18 pm

AbdeSMBSMS wrote: The Same has been done to your Leader Akbarbhoy peerbhoy so his sins have been forgiven by Allah.
abde#$%^&,

1. i do not have or need any leaders.
2. who is akbarbhai peerbhoy? never heard of him.
3. how is your blood pressure and diabetes? under control?

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Unread post by mnoorani » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:14 pm

Mano ya na mano magar yeh haqiqat hai
Us qabr me madfoon ek gunehgaar hai
woh jade hue yaqoot ,woh zahabi darwazey
yeh dai nahin ,daleel ha ek zamaane ke shaddaad ke

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Re: how do elaborate makbara's elevate the status?

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Unread post by AbdeSMBSMS » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:54 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
AbdeSMBSMS wrote: The Same has been done to your Leader Akbarbhoy peerbhoy so his sins have been forgiven by Allah.
abde#$%^&,

1. i do not have or need any leaders.
2. who is akbarbhai peerbhoy? never heard of him.
3. how is your blood pressure and diabetes? under control?
Till now my blood pressure was undercontrol but after reading your above puke & specially after knowing that u don't know Akbarbhoy peerbhoy it rised a little bit thinking Yeh kaisi Reformist aulad hai jo apne baap ko nahi janta.
Tu ek Kam kar Baccha, first inquire about akbarbhoy peerbhoy thru your reformist fathers on this forum. :D

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:20 am

^
Why do not you enlighten us about Akberbhoy Peerbhoy, I know Adamji Peerbhai but not Akberbhoy Peerbhoy

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Unread post by Safiuddin » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:33 pm

Areeeey!! Aay Zulfi anay SBM!
Tame kai ghaflat maa cho?!
Kaim tame Akberbhoy Peerbhoy nay nathi jaanta?
Arey main tamne kai zubaan si sunaawoon?
AbdeSM BS BS Moula yeh gay kaalay,
vaez ni mubaarak majlis ma, ajab shaan si farmayu, kay tamaara leader Akbarbhoy Peerbhoy na
gunaah KHUDA yeh maaf kidaa! (Cries into Handkerchief)
Aawa Moula anay baawa no daaman pakri naay ehni MAAFI MAANGO!!
Ehni hazrat ma jawaaherat, chandi ane sonu, cash, anay thandi ice cream naa hadiyah LUTAAWO!! LUTAAWO!! (Cries into Handkerchief, again)

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Unread post by Safiuddin » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:38 pm

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Unread post by AbdeSMBSMS » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:08 am

SBM wrote:^
Why do not you enlighten us about Akberbhoy Peerbhoy, I know Adamji Peerbhai but not Akberbhoy Peerbhoy
Akbarji Ho ke Adamji Ho Naam badal lene se Insaan ki Kartoote thodi hi chipti hai.
Shakespeare says na " What is there in Name " :wink:

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Unread post by Adam » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:06 pm

Like I said before:
It is a form of respect shown be his belowed. Just as in the past when Qubbas were built around the graves of Prophets, Panjatan and Imams. Unfortunately, your Wahabi friends destroyed them.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:15 am

Adam wrote:Like I said before:
It is a form of respect shown be his belowed. Just as in the past when Qubbas were built around the graves of Prophets, Panjatan and Imams.
- on the one hand you categorically said that inscribing the quran in gold on the walls of an elaborate makbara of a criminal would not benefit him at all.
- now you changed tack and say that its ok because it
It is a form of respect shown be his belowed (quote)
- so beloved family of sts building an elaborate makbara around his naapaak kabr are fools/idiots/420 because it does not benefit sts one bit
- you also equate building an elaborate and ostentatious tomb around the grave of sts to similar buildings for prophets, panjatan and imams
- therefore, according to your logic a haramkhor/murderer/criminal like sts is = prophets, panjatan and imams?
- thus logically, YOUR final conclusion (naauzobillah!) is that prophets, panjatan and imams were also dishonest criminals???

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Unread post by Truth_Seeker » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:49 am

AbdeSMBSMS wrote:
SBM wrote:^
Why do not you enlighten us about Akberbhoy Peerbhoy, I know Adamji Peerbhai but not Akberbhoy Peerbhoy
Akbarji Ho ke Adamji Ho Naam badal lene se Insaan ki Kartoote thodi hi chipti hai.
Shakespeare says na " What is there in Name " :wink:
Looks like our friend has goofed up here.
Dude - this is what happens when you have too many enemies to deal with... Dont let hatred blind you.
BTW, have you completed your school education yet or still in Kindergarten??

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Unread post by AbdeSMBSMS » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:17 am

Truth_Seeker wrote:
AbdeSMBSMS wrote: Akbarji Ho ke Adamji Ho Naam badal lene se Insaan ki Kartoote thodi hi chipti hai.
Shakespeare says na " What is there in Name " :wink:
Looks like our friend has goofed up here.
Dude - this is what happens when you have too many enemies to deal with... Dont let hatred blind you.
BTW, have you completed your school education yet or still in Kindergarten??
Maaf Karo aga Badho ( Move on looser ) come with some solid facts to debate with me not such puerile facts.

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:54 pm

Building makbara definitely elevates the financial status of Kothari agencies. Gullaks, hoob, faal, chaadar, phool and fools !

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Unread post by seeker110 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:00 am

They say Karbala Ziarats brings in 500K/day , this includes Moula Ali also.

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Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:03 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
Adam wrote:Like I said before:
- on the one hand you categorically said that inscribing the quran in gold on the walls of an elaborate makbara of a criminal would not benefit him at all.
- now you changed tack and say that its ok because it
It is a form of respect shown be his belowed (quote)
- so beloved family of sts building an elaborate makbara around his naapaak kabr are fools/idiots/420 because it does not benefit sts one bit
- you also equate building an elaborate and ostentatious tomb around the grave of sts to similar buildings for prophets, panjatan and imams
- therefore, according to your logic a haramkhor/murderer/criminal like sts is = prophets, panjatan and imams?
- thus logically, YOUR final conclusion (naauzobillah!) is that prophets, panjatan and imams were also dishonest criminals???
Dearest unbiased admin,
Why is az's this abusive post not deleted.and why is he not banned for using irrelevant uabusive language for a person who is dai to both prgs/orthos irrespective of differences.
i assume az is not your prodigal son on the forum.

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Unread post by Adam » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:07 am

@AZ
I will not even bother to reply to your nonsensical jumping to your own conclusion claims.

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Unread post by AbdeSMBSMS » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:12 am

Dearest unbiased admin,
Why is az's this abusive post not deleted.and why is he not banned for using irrelevant uabusive language for a person who is dai to both prgs/orthos irrespective of differences.
i assume az is not your prodigal son on the forum.[/quote]

Bhai i have already alerted the Admin about this cheap Zulfikar's derogatory posts. Now lets see when we will the Admin takes an appropriate action & proves he is not biased.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:08 am

AbdeSTSSMB
Stop Whining.....

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Unread post by AbdeSMBSMS » Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:16 am

SBM wrote:AbdeSTSSMB
Stop Whining.....
Mr.mumbo-jumbo
I don't know Whin i make people like you whining. :mrgreen: :lol:

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Unread post by AbdeSMBSMS » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:27 am

Safiuddin wrote:Areeeey!! Aay Zulfi anay SBM!
Tame kai ghaflat maa cho?!
Kaim tame Akberbhoy Peerbhoy nay nathi jaanta?
Arey main tamne kai zubaan si sunaawoon?
AbdeSM BS BS Moula yeh gay kaalay,
vaez ni mubaarak majlis ma, ajab shaan si farmayu, kay tamaara leader Akbarbhoy Peerbhoy na
gunaah KHUDA yeh maaf kidaa! (Cries into Handkerchief)
Aawa Moula anay baawa no daaman pakri naay ehni MAAFI MAANGO!!
Ehni hazrat ma jawaaherat, chandi ane sonu, cash, anay thandi ice cream naa hadiyah LUTAAWO!! LUTAAWO!! (Cries into Handkerchief, again)
Barabar kidu Safiuddin Tu ye.
Yazids like Zulfikar Ana SBM are in Lethargical state only & will always be :mrgreen: