y r the sons of syedna called shehzadas when the post of

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makberi
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y r the sons of syedna called shehzadas when the post of

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Unread post by makberi » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:38 am

i think we all agree that the post of the dai is not supposed to be hereditory...then y the special treatment given to the sons and daughters and family members of syedna (kasre ali).....i mean arnt they jus normal human beings......

Zeal
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Unread post by Zeal » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:39 pm

so do you think Syedna himself is not a normal person?

Being a dai he should be just a normal person without accepting any special treatment.

Alislam
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Unread post by Alislam » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:13 pm

They are called shehzadas because they dont work and live a lavish life out of public money.

accountability
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Unread post by accountability » Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:48 pm

Prior to syedna taher saifuddin, the sons and family members of dai were not that important and controlling. Dawat was being managed according to our doctorine. Mazoon and mukasir were the key office bearer after dai.

After that amils were almost independent of central control. wilaya was only limited to following of dai.

since the inception of syedna tahir saifuddin, he changed the concept of wilaya, he had an example before him. that was of agha khan 3rd sir sultan mohammed khan, as we both toe the same line of theology. Many a books were modified, re written to suit the percieved scheme of things to come.

Now wilaya is so widely defined, that it hardly resembles the definition it intended for.

shahzada (Prince) literally means the son of king or emperor. should we take syedna saheb as king or emperor. Then he loses the legitimacy of being the spritual leader of ismaili follower. If he declines to be called king or emperor, then his sons and off springs can not be called shahzada.

But irony is that these shahzadas and so called princes want the cake and eat it too.

makberi
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Unread post by makberi » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:01 pm

yes i have also noticed that the syedna has sorta followed the aga khan...in terms of claiming the property of the dawaat to be under his control....there is also a similarity among the reformist bohras n the ithna ashari khojas who seperated from the aga khani fold ...the only difference being that the reformist bohras have not changed their faith per se........

hmmm...the syedna makes regular trips to the UK....probably thats where he will settle down..like the aga khan has in france...!!!!

pro_pig
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Unread post by pro_pig » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:02 am

okay

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Unread post by Gulf » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:52 am

Glad to know.
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Al Zulfiqar
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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:44 pm

bhai makberi,

re: all yr bohra related issues and questions, henceforward pls direct them to the syedna by sending an arzi to HH the aqa maula tus. there is a link on the maalumat website. send yr arzi with yr ejamaat id no. and yr credit card info. with a tagdo salaam done online, u will get priority and will get yr answers delivered personally to yr home by yr local amil. alternatively keep regular rapport with yr amil, who can prove to be an authentic gold mine of information. only let us know how it went after the amil's visit.

yr naivette' is now getting rather tedious, somewhat like a prodigal lamb in the woods.

makberi
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Unread post by makberi » Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:24 am

i m sorri br zulfiqar..i guess my intellect is far too limited to participate on this forum...i shall refrain frm disturbing u and others on this forum in the future.....pls accept my apologies......

Al Zulfiqar
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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:37 am

bhai makberi,

my intention was not to make u apologise or to accuse you of inferior intellect, so no need to martyr yrself. my intention was to make u realise that there is so much of b.s. going on with our bohras, our so-called spiritual leaders have taken the bohras so far astray, that if u keep asking questions on each and every thing that mentally bothers u, then u will be posting one new topic every minute!! as i have already told u earlier, the reformists are already aware and the fanatics dont really care a rat's ar## about yr queries. when u ask a logical query of the orthodox, do not expect a logical reply in return! the fact that u are asking an intelligent but rather naive question in the manner u did, the answer is already built onto it.