Ashara preperations

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:45 pm

Teaching religion a little too early, I pray that Allah save them from zhalat, before the brain washing is finished.

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Unread post by Aftaab » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:55 am

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:look at the kids....they are laughing and doing mataam at same time!
yes , they think this is some kind of dance?

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Unread post by think » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:54 am

does ahozari need a rehersal?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:28 pm

Image

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Unread post by think » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:19 pm

where is the fish, where is the fish.

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Unread post by Aftaab » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:43 pm

yesterday I told my wife to make simple food, we ate daal and bread with rice and money saved from not eating all these mawa malay went to a poor family in India, Inshallah that money will suffice that family for 6 month expenses for normal food.


I am admitting this not to boast but to show how a life of simplicity and common sense can bring big differences.

May ALLAH give us tawfiq to do to some thing worth in the name of HUSSAIN(s) and his Family.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:07 pm

I am still interested in that green chicken leg. That much healthy food could harm my body easily.


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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:48 pm

HOW BOHRAS EXPRESS THEIR GRIEF DURING THE SOLEMN 10 DAYS OF MOHURRUM.
THE MENU CARD PREPARED BY SURAT JAMAT :-


[img]http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/1609/o7v7.jpg[/img]

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Unread post by seeker110 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:08 pm

The refreshing taste glass of khusbu water from Sabil is etched forever. Food not so much. Although, simple plain veggies, moong dal and bhaji roti is all I remember. Haleem was called Kitchra with no waghar. We were hungry for stories of the brave family. Hazrat Abbas was my Hero.

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Unread post by think » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:10 pm

This is the main reason why bohri women are so out of shape that they cannot wear regular clothes and so the ridda (tent)is best for them. It hides all their fat stomachs and buttocks and it is so simple to wear and its a free size. no matter how fat one gets eating all these foods they do not have to visit the tailor for alterations. No wonder the bohri women like mola, mola. so far it was said" beve moula ne umer daraz karo but things have changed since the visit of muffi's son with aga khan. aga khan is also an Imam and his geneology goes right up to moula Ali as compared with the dai who is no where near any relationship with any of the imams. so from now on there will be " tanne(3) moula ne umer daraz karo". and abdes should say that . The first long life for for S.M.B. the second one for Muffi moula and the third one for aga khan. "Allah tunne(3) moula ne umer daraz kare"

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Unread post by Aftaab » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:23 pm

think wrote:This is the main reason why bohri women are so out of shape that they cannot wear regular clothes and so the ridda (tent)is best for them. It hides all their fat stomachs and buttocks and it is so simple to wear and its a free size. no matter how fat one gets eating all these foods they do not have to visit the tailor for alterations. No wonder the bohri women like mola, mola. so far it was said" beve moula ne umer daraz karo but things have changed since the visit of muffi's son with aga khan. aga khan is also an Imam and his geneology goes right up to moula Ali as compared with the dai who is no where near any relationship with any of the imams. so from now on there will be " tanne(3) moula ne umer daraz karo". and abdes should say that . The first long life for for S.M.B. the second one for Muffi moula and the third one for aga khan. "Allah tunne(3) moula ne umer daraz kare"
you mean father,son and holy spirit? :D

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Unread post by blue » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:06 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:HOW BOHRAS EXPRESS THEIR GRIEF DURING THE SOLEMN 10 DAYS OF MOHURRUM.
THE MENU CARD PREPARED BY SURAT JAMAT :-


[img]http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/1609/o7v7.jpg[/img]

after reading above menu following lines from a marsiya came to mind:--

فاقہ شکنی کا جو اسیروں سے لیا نام ......................................... پیٹے سر و سینہ کہ برپا ہوا کوہرام
زینب نے کہا کھانے کا ہے کون سا ہنگام .......................................... نہ چین محمّد کو نہ زہرہ کو ہے آرام

کیا کھانے کو ہم کھاینگے کہ دل غم سے بھرا ہے
لاشہ تو ابھی بھائی کا جنگل میں پڑا ہے

بھائی توہے بے گور و کفن کھاؤں میں کھانا .................................................... بے دفن ہو فرزندے حسین کھاؤں میں کھانا
بے سر الی اکبر کا ہوتن کھاؤں میں کھانا .................................................... پامال ہو زہرا کا چمن کھاؤں میں کھانا

! رونا مجھے دیکھے سے چلا آتا ہے لوگوں
! لے جاؤ کہ کھانا مجھے یہ کھاتا ہے لوگوں

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Unread post by Aftaab » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:56 am

bohra really mourns in muharram? or is it some kind of feast?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:29 pm

IS IT MOHURRUM VAYEZ OR CINEMA TICKET RATES :-

[img]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8779/xk3u.jpg[/img]

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Unread post by Aftaab » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:42 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:IS IT MOHURRUM VAYEZ OR CINEMA TICKET RATES :-

[img]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8779/xk3u.jpg[/img]

when they were taking money in ramadan they gave excuse that space is less and this system helps them to keep things easy and smooth, but I dont really get why they are collecting in Muharram as well, because masallah space can be less and not enough, but all our masjids are big enough to accommodate all bohris atleast sitting place.

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Unread post by id99 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:44 pm

We have become a practical joke among other Muslims!!
Non-Fanatic Bohra like me find myself out of place with the new fatwas from Kothar.

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Unread post by godmoney » Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:20 pm

For bohra amil mohram month is just for collecting Money

everything start only with money end with money

SMS by hussaini mohallah tazeem

""Ashara 1435h ma husaini mohallah ma 5200/- niyaz ni ek unit takhmeen thai che.Husaini mohallah na har ek ghar ma compulsorily iltemas che ke pote zyaada sizyada niyaz ma shamil thai ane barakat hasil kare""

Why are this ppl forcing for niyaz, compulsorily because amil get a cut in this

Incident happen a poor old lady came for pirsa card so a goonda name amir golwala ask her to pay 5 unit of niyaz,she said she cant afford so amir golwala told then free nu jaman su kaam magwa aavo cho..

Amir golwala and his brother of gunda goli of madanpura who had many case register at nagpada police station now both the brother are been appointed by amil of hussaini masjid so that they can expoilt ppl and force them to pay money

Why are criminal like him are kept in so call tanzeem commitee.

If u ever want to meet amil the chamcha outside ask 500rs salam karjo so if person say nai itla nathi so then it been negotiate till 200 not less then that
Salam is been force by amil,if a poor cant afford salam he cant meet the amil because amil only need money that why they have appointed gondas in tanzeem who can insult ppl like this.chamcha do this bcoz amil have given the power to speak with the ppl like this

I dont understand why are ppl force just for money
niyaz is like what ever amount ppl want to give they can give,there are ppl who spend million on niyaz in sabils so why this force for niyaz n salam

Normally its said jaman/Niyaz is by mola then how can some one force to collect money for the food given by mola that also in mohram

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Unread post by think » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:37 pm

now you know why we have this website. Many think like you and ask the question why? the answer is simple. This is not a non profit religious organization which the royal family portrays it to be to hoodwink the government from paying taxes. It is a club and so money is required at every step.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:48 pm

Too old to rob the bank, not old for robbing poor. Good example they are for the sons and daughters.

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Unread post by Aftaab » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:41 am

I would happily pay qardan and what ever other tax they ask, but unfortunately I don't have dime to pay for their luxuries.

so either live simple or at least produce your own money to live in luxury, I wont let you enjoy luxury on my blood money.

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Unread post by asad » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:30 am

Another Kufr filled Madeh is currently being recited in almost all waez of Mansoos by Shiekh Mustufa(from Karachi - popularly known as Jaani)

Rizk Zyada Yaa Kamm Kee Baat Kaha.....
Daana Daana Mere Huzur Se He.

Maango Maango Burhanedee Kee Baqa...
Fazle Rabb Ka Mere Huzur Se He.

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Unread post by think » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:34 am

instead of waez being held for gham and buka of imam hussain, the old timers are busy asking for karz e hasana. Its a shame.



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Unread post by Aftaab » Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:49 pm

it seems London amil is big fan of nadeem bhai.

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:13 am

Swipe cards, SMS reminders ensure Bohras attend Muharram sermons

By Sharmeen Hakim Indorewala, Mumbai Mirror | Nov 9, 2013, 01.35 AM IST

This year, the morning sermons - known as 'waaz' - are being conducted by Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and relayed live to the 65
centers across Mumbai. Two members of the management stand at the entrance of every centre with card readers to swipe individuals' E-Jamaat cards.

Each centre then uses this data to compile a list of the day's absentees and all those who haven't attended waaz are sent SMS reminders. "According to our report, you have not attended the waaz in Bandra or any other centre today. Please be there on 8th Nov," read a message sent to a Bohra from the Bandra Masjid.

"With such a large community, smart cards have made it very easy to access information. We want to know why those 10% people are not attending waaz and make sure that they do. Around 50,000 now swipe at our centers," said Zoeb Patanwala, member of the Anjuman-e-Shiate-Ali, the community's management wing, told Mirror.

Many Bohras confessed that they started attending waaz after receiving constant reminders, but also criticised the move. "The sermons are much more interesting than they used to be a few years ago. It's easier for the younger generation to understand them. But most people are coming out of fear, and not because they actually want to be educated. In fact, many swipe their cards and then slyly sneak out for work," a Bohra from Colaba told Mirror. "Attending waaz daily is extremely difficult, especially for young professionals and children who attend non-Muslim schools," he added.

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Unread post by think » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:22 pm

how ridiculous is this. first the mumineen have to pay compulsory to have their e jamaat cards made and now the kothar can keep track and haunt them every time.
There should be no ejamaat cards or safai chithi stupidity. This has nothing to do with muslim faith but for the kothar to keep control of their sheep.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:17 pm

It is reported that kothar has imposed a total ban on the shia vayez at Moghul Masjid at Dongri, Mumbai where bohras used to attend in large numbers. Bohra's e-jamat cards will be cancelled if they are found attending the vayez.