Ustad Shk Ibrahim Dungarpuri declared Mazoon

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Ustad Shk Ibrahim Dungarpuri declared Mazoon

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Unread post by Nafisa » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:01 am

Received as it is
Secanderabad maa Jamea Na Ustad Shk Ibrahim dugarpurwala waaz ma Mazoon ud daawat ne khuleaam abuse kare che ane aaj ni waaz maa to em kidu maazun dai nu bodretion naa bane su ustad pote dai j jaman karta vadhi gaya nauzo billa khuda aawa ustado thi hamara iman ne bacahav jo hamai adna mumin to imam naa satar maa imamuz aaman ni dawat teen rutba thi qayam che em maanye che dai maazun ane mukasir hawe koi aa tin rutba ane ehna saheb no inkqaar kare to goya imam ni daawat no inkaar kido pl ustaad tame etli pen ustadi naa karo ne mumin naa jaan ne confuse naa karo bhatkavo naa ehno khamyajo hussain naa dini maa uthavvo perse aapnu kaam mohammed ane aale mohammed ane hussain imam ni zikar kervanu che ehna per tavajjo aapo daij zaman behter jaane che to aap aa sagli vaato thi dur raho moulaya aali qadar moula naa mansoos che sagla mumeen maarefat thi jaane che aap nu aa amal burhanuddin moula ane moulaya aaliqader ne khus nai balki dukh pohchavse aap bhale ghana mota ustad hoi pen moula to moula che aap aapni limit cross naa karo akal naa andha loko ye sherulla maa moula naa maazun naa paachal namaz mumeen naa pareh ehni kosis kidi pen mumin nu imam moulana burhanuddin per etlu che ke sagla naa haath bhoi maa para to aap aa saglaa thi bachi ne rehv khuda aap ne hussain imam ni zikar karvani yaari aape ane fejul ni vaato thi dur raakhe moula udaipur ne madina banave che aap madina ne udaipur naa banavu khuda aqa moula ne sehat aafiyaat maa hamesa baaki raakhjo ane aapna saya maa aali qadar moulaya muffaddal ne hamesa raakhjo baaki raakhjo aameen

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Unread post by Aftaab » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:43 am

it will be interesting to know point of view of Adam on this.

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Unread post by Aftaab » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:45 am

:mrgreen: his son shabbir dungarpurwala was a good friend of mine, and he is real chamcha of Amil muder.

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Unread post by AMAFHH » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:46 am

I think this So called ustaad Ibrahim Dungarpurwala has lost his Mind

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Unread post by Maqbool » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:40 am

Aftaab wrote:it will be interesting to know point of view of Adam on this.
No Adam will never comment on this subject because Sayedi Muffaddalbhai saheb has told zaherbatin bhaisaheb that the present mazoonsaheb is in zahir and in batin some one else. This has been declared on the site of zahir batin.

Mazoon saheb is appointed by Sayedna Saheb. His position is second after Dai. The Muffadal bhaisaheb is not a moula because there can not be two moula on this earth at a time. Till Sayedna saheb is alive he can not be called moula. He will be called moulaye or sayedi.

The Ustad of jamiya and all the amils do not have guts to say this and they have rozi roti interest, and will never tell mumenin to call muffaddalbhaisaheb sayedi. Instead they call beve moula! The Adam is also from this clan.

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:58 am

Accordingly in today's waaz Muffadal Moula also pointed out by saying " Aa apna logo ne su thayu je apna saathey beth tha hata, Thaal ma jamta Hata, apna saathey rehta hain, su thai gayu, khuda eh logo ne taufeeq aapey anney ashura na din ni hurmat rakhi ne dai allah na mehfil ma shaamil thai"

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Unread post by asad » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:17 am

Maqbool wrote:
Aftaab wrote:it will be interesting to know point of view of Adam on this.
No Adam will never comment on this subject because Sayedi Muffaddalbhai saheb has told zaherbatin bhaisaheb that the present mazoonsaheb is in zahir and in batin some one else. This has been declared on the site of zahir batin.

Mazoon saheb is appointed by Sayedna Saheb. His position is second after Dai. The Muffadal bhaisaheb is not a moula because there can not be two moula on this earth at a time. Till Sayedna saheb is alive he can not be called moula. He will be called moulaye or sayedi.

The Ustad of jamiya and all the amils do not have guts to say this and they have rozi roti interest, and will never tell mumenin to call muffaddalbhaisaheb sayedi. Instead they call beve moula! The Adam is also from this clan.
precisely for this point almost all waezeen are giving importance to one point that as soon as nass happened Mufaddal saheb has also become Moula.

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Unread post by ammar » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:52 pm

Nafisa wrote:Received as it is
Secanderabad maa Jamea Na Ustad Shk Ibrahim dugarpurwala waaz ma Mazoon ud daawat ne khuleaam abuse kare che ane aaj ni waaz maa to em kidu maazun dai nu bodretion naa bane su ustad pote dai j jaman karta vadhi gaya nauzo billa khuda aawa ustado thi hamara iman ne bacahav jo hamai adna mumin to imam naa satar maa imamuz aaman ni dawat teen rutba thi qayam che em maanye che dai maazun ane mukasir hawe koi aa tin rutba ane ehna saheb no inkqaar kare to goya imam ni daawat no inkaar kido pl ustaad tame etli pen ustadi naa karo ne mumin naa jaan ne confuse naa karo bhatkavo naa ehno khamyajo hussain naa dini maa uthavvo perse aapnu kaam mohammed ane aale mohammed ane hussain imam ni zikar kervanu che ehna per tavajjo aapo daij zaman behter jaane che to aap aa sagli vaato thi dur raho moulaya aali qadar moula naa mansoos che sagla mumeen maarefat thi jaane che aap nu aa amal burhanuddin moula ane moulaya aaliqader ne khus nai balki dukh pohchavse aap bhale ghana mota ustad hoi pen moula to moula che aap aapni limit cross naa karo akal naa andha loko ye sherulla maa moula naa maazun naa paachal namaz mumeen naa pareh ehni kosis kidi pen mumin nu imam moulana burhanuddin per etlu che ke sagla naa haath bhoi maa para to aap aa saglaa thi bachi ne rehv khuda aap ne hussain imam ni zikar karvani yaari aape ane fejul ni vaato thi dur raakhe moula udaipur ne madina banave che aap madina ne udaipur naa banavu khuda aqa moula ne sehat aafiyaat maa hamesa baaki raakhjo ane aapna saya maa aali qadar moulaya muffaddal ne hamesa raakhjo baaki raakhjo aameen

Nafisaben..its this authentic news?

So what will happen now...everyone knows that Mazoon and Smb have conflicting issues

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:07 pm

It seems that this Mohurrum, Mazunsaab was not given raza to do vayez anywhere. He is probably in USA !! Strange, isn't it ??

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Unread post by alam » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:52 pm

Message to Mufaddal Bhai Saheb, aka Mufaddal Maula

ZAhir- batin dialogue was expressly forbidden by Your Honorable Father, (Bawajee saheb as you call him), yes Aqa Maula said so in public, and all if us mumineen heard it.
If you, Mufaddalbhai Saheb, the Mansoos, take a pause to consider that
1.) promoting this "Zahir-batin" Concept ideology is opening a can of worms. Because in effect anything that is said in public (vaaz) etc. can be construed to have hidden meanings. And therefore create Shak-shubahat.
2.). Along the same lines, Misaq is given in public. There Cannot be a zaahir misaaq with one set of Mazun, mukasir etc, and a BAATIN Misaaq with a different mazun. Or for that matter a different set of underground propaganda.

AQA Maula never bowed down to his Advisers.

Time you take a pause, Syedi Mufaddal Bhai Saheb, and really reflect upon the message of hatred, bullying and fear conveyed to you by Your advisers, and speech writers.

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:35 pm

dawat teen rutba thi qayam che
Dawat has 3 Rutbas
Christianity has 3, the son, father and ghost
Hindusim has Tri Shul
And the Muslim Ummah got divided because of 3 Khalifas.(badrijanab please keep your enthusiasm in check)
Go figure....

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Unread post by Aftaab » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:51 pm

SBM wrote:
dawat teen rutba thi qayam che
Dawat has 3 Rutbas
Christianity has 3, the son, father and ghost
Hindusim has Tri Shul
And the Muslim Ummah got divided because of 3 Khalifas.(badrijanab please keep your enthusiasm in check)
Go figure....
this is why real ISLAM steps in

One GOD
One Prophet
One Book

every thing else is secondary


go figure :wink:

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Unread post by Maqbool » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:17 am

This is received by whatsapp.
O mumineen and friends!

This message is in the shaan of Shaikh Ebrahim Dungarpurwala, ustaad of Al Jamea-tus-Saifiyah!

I congratulate miyasaheb (wadhaamni aapu chhu) for his landmark waaz in Secunderabad this ashara 1435 hijri wherein he has done what no officer in the service of the daawat has publicly accomplished in the last 800 years - questioned the positions of the rutbaas (mazoon and mukaasir) in the open (majma ma). This is like what the german monk martin luther did a few centuries ago (but this is not the place to get into that).

I bow to thee O Dungarpurwala for saying what most would have never had the guts to - that the rutbaas are mere posts and carry no higher significance ("rutba jewi kaij nathi. eh to simple post che"). so this raises the question as to why our Dai (obviously acting at the behest of the imam uz zaman) would be wasting his and our time to carry out such nominal appointments of no significance (he himself was appointed to this 'dummy' posting by his venerable father and held that position for more than three decades, oh what a waste!). I am now a trifle confused but since you are such an aalim you would have figured out that since most maazuns have becomes dais, then this should be seen as no more than a clerical coincidence since the position is no more worthy than a mere post, as in a secretary or a deputy or assistant. Ah, one more point which has just crossed my mind. The truly venerable syedna hatim in his exalted book 'tambeehul gafeleen' referred to the dai's position as that of the sun and the maazun's as the moon, so surely dai hatim's book needs to be taken out of currency for exalting a clerical position to the level of a celestial reality.

I kiss the ground on which you walk, O ustaad, for suggesting that the mazoon should not be a botheration for the Dai; I completely agree that no man should sit anonymously in a corner of america and keep a dignified silence or go out of circulation and in doing so become an absolute botheration to the deen, qaum and country

O fount of great knowledge, the time has come for you make your next move. Permit me to suggest some humble ideas.

One, suggest to our Dai to remove the posts of Mazoon and Mukasir once and for all, so that there is complete clarity in the minds of mumineen (quite like a great German dictator in the mid-Thirties who abolished all posts higher than his, put an end to democracy, proclaimed himself Chancellor and then we all know what happened).

O knower of things, please convey to our Dai-z-zaman that with respect for the persons and positions of the mazoon and mukasir having been clinically destroyed over the last couple of decades, the time has come to remove their names from the ahad-oliya during misaaq so that the purity of the misaaq can be preserved (why put mumineen through the confusion of saying one thing and brainwashing them differently thereafter)

The time then has come for waizeen across the world to stop their waaz for a few minutes so that your waaz recording can be relayed to inspire a new generation of naujawaan to do jaan-feshaani on aqa burhanuddin and his mansoos aali qadar maula, whose hayaat may Allah taala extended to the Day of Judgement!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:52 pm

Inspite of such ridiculous comments by none other then a Jamea Ustad , Muffy and his gang is still silent on the whole episode ! Does Muffy have the guts to excommunicate the Ustad for his blatant and outrageous comments which go against the Bohra doctrines ? Its obvious that not only will the ustad not be reprimanded but on the contrary there is every likelihood that he will be elevated to a much senior post........... he may probably be made Mazoom and the current mazoom may be ousted !

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Unread post by alam » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:20 pm

One, suggest to our Dai to remove the posts of Mazoon and Mukasir once and for all, so that there is complete clarity in the minds of mumineen (quite like a great German dictator in the mid-Thirties who abolished all posts higher than his, put an end to democracy, proclaimed himself Chancellor and then we all know what happened).

O knower of things, please convey to our Dai-z-zaman that with respect for the persons and positions of the mazoon and mukasir having been clinically destroyed over the last couple of decades, the time has come to remove their names from the ahad-oliya during misaaq so that the purity of the misaaq can be preserved
The Declaration of an alternative Mazoon is imminent.

While at it - why not revamp the entire misaaq and remove elements of shi'rk, or for that matter - remove misaaq custom altogether. The masses are already blind obeying and kissing feet of anyone in power- misaaq has become an unnecessary ritual anyway. No point just removing mazoon and mukasir only.

99% of Saifee mahal and badri mahal and the masses , have already broken their misaaq by alienating mazoon, creating an unnecessary "dushman/munaafiq with their thirst for power and fragile egos. Why don't they just complete the vendetta and save their souls by declaring the Misaaq as an obsolete practice. After all, the true mumineens call themselves the REAL progressives anyway.

Can't wait to see mansoos really bowing down to his advisers and put himself in a soup.

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:21 pm

Hi chance the mazoom position will be replaced by new positions...his brothers need reward for letting him rise.

Don't be surprised by new positions...the run a long list and get ready to buy najwa envelopes in bulk and be friendly to your banker to give multiple nice crispy notes. Now with 3 coins instead of previous 2 there will also be coin crisis..at least let the the gold and silver miners now commodity slump is short lived

If someone has not told the printers ahead of time we will have BNC bohri najwa crisis and banks and printers will be shut down by tiffin throwing abdes protesting and setting themselves alight. Prefer stainless steel one to aluminium ...can crack a riot police helmet or be turned into a small helmet for pea brained abde like us or throw as a missile loaded for maximum damage or empty for noise.....don't we miss Al Zulfikar

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:24 pm

Wow ... I only found this when searching on Google. Amazing that this happened literally a couple of months before Syedna Burhanuddin RA's wafat. Did they know something? Kind of brings into context the whole question about why FatemiDawat website was registered around the same time. The mystery deepens each day.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:47 pm

kimanumanu wrote:Wow ... I only found this when searching on Google. Amazing that this happened literally a couple of months before Syedna Burhanuddin RA's wafat. Did they know something? Kind of brings into context the whole question about why FatemiDawat website was registered around the same time. The mystery deepens each day.
It doesn't require rocket science to understand that the whole drama of Nass and humiliating KQ was pre orchestrated by the zaadas of SMB under the guidance of Muffy who had received the necessary training from his father-in-law Yusuf Najmuddin ! This was planned long before anyone could ever imagine.

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Unread post by Kharas_Mithas » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:35 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
kimanumanu wrote:Wow ... I only found this when searching on Google. Amazing that this happened literally a couple of months before Syedna Burhanuddin RA's wafat. Did they know something? Kind of brings into context the whole question about why FatemiDawat website was registered around the same time. The mystery deepens each day.
It doesn't require rocket science to understand that the whole drama of Nass and humiliating KQ was pre orchestrated by the zaadas of SMB under the guidance of Muffy who had received the necessary training from his father-in-law Yusuf Najmuddin ! This was planned long before anyone could ever imagine.
Is Hussain Bhaisaheb a Zahir mazoon???? As he cannot walk, talk and debate to protect dawat, one of mazoon's responsibility.
Batin Mazoon seems to be Qaid Joker who has been delegated all the duties which in course of ordinary affairs will be performed by Mazoon.
Indeed the concept of Zahir Batin Rutbas is getting a formal shape.