Future of Dawoodi Bohras

[SBM]

It is good to see men helping with food preparation for a change, just like imam ali used to help bibi fatima.

Really Imam Ali made Roti then who was taking care of Ummah?

[fiate2000]

It is good to see men helping with food preparation for a change, just like imam ali used to help bibi fatima.

If only it was a real change and not a "Dikhawa" to appease Muffy. What a bunch of hypocrites!! And comparing this madness to Hazrat Ali's honest intentions is even bigger madness.

[ghulam muhammed]

Roti Competition - Mardo - BHUJ

5th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: GJ, India, Bhuj, Burhani Hall - Mawaeed

[ghulam muhammed]

HONORARY DEGREE/CERTIFICATES FOR BEST ROTI MAKERS FOR THE ABOVE COMPETITION !!

[ghulam muhammed]

LOOK WHAT HAPPENS IN MASJIDS EVEN DURING SOLEMN OCCASSIONS !!

Shz Dr. Qaidjohar Bs Ezzuddin saheb DM presided over Imam Uz Zamaan Milaad Majlis in Marol

3rd Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: MH, India, Marol

[DisillusionedDB]

HONORARY DEGREE/CERTIFICATES FOR BEST ROTI MAKERS FOR THE ABOVE COMPETITION !!

Unbelievable ... Next they will be handing out doctorates and subsequently the Padma awards cannot be far behind

[ghulam muhammed]

Roti Making Competition Held In Badri Mohallah Hydrabad Sindh

9th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: Pakistan, Hydrabad Sindh, Badri Mohallah

[ghulam muhammed]

ROTI MAKING NOW GOES...... INTERNATIONAL !!

ROTI COMPETITION DAR ES SALAAM

10th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: Tanzania, DAR ES SALAAM, HAKIMI MASJID COMPLEX

[Rightlyguided]

Hi everyone , I am new here. I have been following this website for sometime now... and I must say the type of abusive language and constant ridiculing of Haq ni dawat, is proposterous from an outside view...
You guys want more people to come here.. guess what many people have seen this site and are totally disgusted and think of you guys as a bunch of frustrated fellows who keep finding things to talk about for gossip.. without any end...
I come here to see how you guys ( the enemies of dawat) burn in jealousy at each and every glory of Mufaddal moula.
Its funny.

[objectiveobserver53]

Hi everyone , I am new here. I have been following this website for sometime now... and I must say the type of abusive language and constant ridiculing of Haq ni dawat, is proposterous from an outside view...
You guys want more people to come here.. guess what many people have seen this site and are totally disgusted and think of you guys as a bunch of frustrated fellows who keep finding things to talk about for gossip.. without any end...
I come here to see how you guys ( the enemies of dawat) burn in jealousy at each and every glory of Mufaddal moula.
Its funny.

You are so right! Everyone here is burning with jealousy that it is not their children holding the big steel tiffin and performing in front of moronic mola. They are burning up that they are not riding the ridiculous buggy or getting crushed in the crowds with their hands joined and raised up and chasing the stupid mola in/on the stupid buggy/truck/ SUV-roof.

People here would rather give up their fulfilling careers/ businesses and sacrifice their beach vacations to run after your mola and eat the crappy food he serves in cramped places. Yes they are just burning up.

[ghulam muhammed]

Mardo Roti Competition Held In Mohammedi Mawaid, Sunel

12th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: RJ, India, Sunel, Mohammedi Mawaid

[ghulam muhammed]

Mohabbat ni Roti Mardo Competetion at Saleh Masjid Karachi

11th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: Pakistan, Karachi, Saleh Masjid

[UnhappyBohra]

Looking at all these pictures of men making roti, it dawned upon me why it has been the domain on the woman of the house for centuries.....Facial and body hair!

[ghulam muhammed]

After the men were roped in for "Roti making competition" from across the world, its high time that that there are more such competitions held in Jamea followed by Aamils who are gathered at a single mouze and then the icing on cake would be the Finals !!............ Roti making competition in Saifee Mahal with the thousand odd zaadas participating !! After all they should follow the adage "Practice before you Preach".

[zinger]

i really REALLY do not understand all this roti making tamasha nonsense.

men learning to make rotis is, IMHO, a good idea. it always helps to learn a new skill.
you never know, if the wife is away or sick or something, make rotis at home and order a gravy from outside, so a good move all in all

BUT..... this whole competition thing is going beyond the realm of ridiculous, it is now venturing on the border of BIZZARE

[hussainmoiz]

i really REALLY do not understand all this roti making tamasha nonsense.

men learning to make rotis is, IMHO, a good idea. it always helps to learn a new skill.
you never know, if the wife is away or sick or something, make rotis at home and order a gravy from outside, so a good move all in all

BUT..... this whole competition thing is going beyond the realm of ridiculous, it is now venturing on the border of BIZZARE

Do not look towards the act of making roti itself but rather to what it symbolizes. You might be asking yourself why does Aqa Moula himself performs this act in front of so many mumineen or why is this seemingly small act afforded such importance and why do even men partake in it so enthusiastically?

The simple short and all encompassing answer is simple: Ta'at. If one cannot even follow such a small directive then how would you expect anyone to follow anything greater? Its pretty clear to see that those who grumble and complain (or even deny) giving waajebaat, which is farizaat, are the majority and most vocal of those who decry this farmaan.

These competitions are organized under the ta'abudaat a'amal, an act of simple 'ibadat and another way to gain Aqa Moula's happiness. It binds the community and reminds us of our cultural heritage. It symbolizes the common denominator between all people people from the rich all the way to the poor- hunger, akin to the white ehraam during hajj. It is the staple food of kings and beggars. It is a symbol of the love the community has towards our Moula and each other. It encompasses an entire field of knowledge, the roti is but the summarization of a great agricultural process. It is an act of kindness generating sawab and leading to jannat ('Itaa'm ut Ta'aam). It is a social welfare in a nutshell. It is time put to productive use. It is a call towards elegance in simplicity. It is devotion and vigour towards any khidmat or farmaan. It is one of the last acts of Moulatena Fatema a.s. It is part of the last meal of Ameerul Mumineen A.S.

People who mock this act are doing it solely out of spite since it goes without saying that no one expects mumineen to drop everything and make this a profession (although for the unfortunate among mumineen it has become a source of income).

Its even what you say although FMB thaali mostly prevents that from ever occuring. So in short you should instead be asking yourself- where do I sign up to partake in these competitions.

[fayyaaz]

hussainmoiz,

Your post sounds like a speech written by Kothar to be delivered by Amils in majlises.

I think you hit the nail on the head. All that mumineen do is in observation of Moula's ta'at (obedience). Moula promises paradise and shafa'at of Fatema Zahra for roti-makers. I pray that in paradise you will get the honor of tasting a roti prepared personally by Fatima Zahra. Ameen.

[humanbeing]

i really REALLY do not understand all this roti making tamasha nonsense.

men learning to make rotis is, IMHO, a good idea. it always helps to learn a new skill.
you never know, if the wife is away or sick or something, make rotis at home and order a gravy from outside, so a good move all in all

BUT..... this whole competition thing is going beyond the realm of ridiculous, it is now venturing on the border of BIZZARE

Do not look towards the act of making roti itself but rather to what it symbolizes. You might be asking yourself why does Aqa Moula himself performs this act in front of so many mumineen or why is this seemingly small act afforded such importance and why do even men partake in it so enthusiastically?

The simple short and all encompassing answer is simple: Ta'at. If one cannot even follow such a small directive then how would you expect anyone to follow anything greater? Its pretty clear to see that those who grumble and complain (or even deny) giving waajebaat, which is farizaat, are the majority and most vocal of those who decry this farmaan.

These competitions are organized under the ta'abudaat a'amal, an act of simple 'ibadat and another way to gain Aqa Moula's happiness. It binds the community and reminds us of our cultural heritage. It symbolizes the common denominator between all people people from the rich all the way to the poor- hunger, akin to the white ehraam during hajj. It is the staple food of kings and beggars. It is a symbol of the love the community has towards our Moula and each other. It encompasses an entire field of knowledge, the roti is but the summarization of a great agricultural process. It is an act of kindness generating sawab and leading to jannat ('Itaa'm ut Ta'aam). It is a social welfare in a nutshell. It is time put to productive use. It is a call towards elegance in simplicity. It is devotion and vigour towards any khidmat or farmaan. It is one of the last acts of Moulatena Fatema a.s. It is part of the last meal of Ameerul Mumineen A.S.

People who mock this act are doing it solely out of spite since it goes without saying that no one expects mumineen to drop everything and make this a profession (although for the unfortunate among mumineen it has become a source of income).

Its even what you say although FMB thaali mostly prevents that from ever occuring. So in short you should instead be asking yourself- where do I sign up to partake in these competitions.

Heart Touching Speech !! Rova-jevu-mooh bani gayu !!

[hussainmoiz]

hussainmoiz,

Your post sounds like a speech written by Kothar to be delivered by Amils in majlises.

I think you hit the nail on the head. All that mumineen do is in observation of Moula's ta'at (obedience). Moula promises paradise and shafa'at of Fatema Zahra for roti-makers. I pray that in paradise you will get the honor of tasting a roti prepared personally by Fatima Zahra. Ameen.

Hah to be fair I did paraphase a lot from Syedna's bayaans and those Roti Exhibitions held in Mumbai.

Thank you thats what i wanted to get across. If someone has a problem with the ta'at of Moualana then everything else just spirals off from there. It just annoys me that instead of a positive outlook on Moula's directive certain people create negatives and mock others. I think this firmly falls under 'cultural beliefs' (and religious too but that is another tangent i dont want to focus on) and this senseless derision gives a poor sense of character.

Any person of ANY faith with any compassion and understanding should clearly see what this 'amal is meant to demonstrate and represent.

Social welfare and strenghtening community ties is progress too.

[humanbeing]

Roti making propaganda is heavy dramabazi. One can at max take these social events as light socializing activities. But SMS and Company is taking the Roti-Making drama to whole new level. Keeping the abdes distracted and busy in frivolous common stuff. Making them engaged, committed and sense of spiritual triumph by these simple gestures. Rather than bigger and important pressing matters of community developments.

I am not shunning the roti making campaign as totally bad, but these dramabazi is going on way too deep. Keep it silly and simple to be enjoyable rather than give it a deceptive turn of all spiritual and divine.

Abdes and bohras care a dam and two hoots about Taa’at (obedience) of the DAI. It’s all lip service and mad rush to outdo-show off each other. Abdes are kept busy in these stuff feeling all content and heavenly while kothar lighten these idiots of their monies.

[fayyaaz]

Social welfare and strenghtening community ties is progress too.

There are number of categories within welfare in which Bohras are quite strong. They feed themselves communally, thanks to FMB; they educate their children in madrassas imparting to them the value of obedience to Moula and learning to sing the praise of Moula; they have frequent social/religious gatherings in their qawmi libass to strengthen their mutual bonds. Bohras learn their own revisionist history and myths and they are as happy as clams in their shells.

Most important is that Bohras have a right to do what they do as long as they do not harm others, at least in Western Liberal Democracies. The majority on this forum who oppose Bohras are self-hating anti-Bohras who stay within the community because they are hypocritical cowards unable to forge their own paths outside the community. A tiny minority, which makes more noise than their numbers would indicate, are Ex-Bohras. They carry their former membership of the community like a phantom arm that is cut off from their bodies. It is their pain of this phantom that compels them to glorify a different myth on this forum, a myth Bohras do not much care about.

Anti-Bohras and Ex-Bohras are completely irrelevant outside of this forum.

[anajmi]

Most important is that Bohras have a right to do what they do as long as they do not harm others, at least in Western Liberal Democracies.

They should carry a new safai chitthi issued by the western liberal democracies wherever they go.

[SBM]

Social welfare and strenghtening community ties is progress too.

How does Roti Making and Roti Making Competition by EVERY MUMIN MARDO and MUMINAAT BHENO brings social welfare and strengthening community ties.
Definition of SOCIAL WELFARE (from Merriam-webster)
: organized public or private social services for the assistance of disadvantaged groups; specifically : social work

[ghulam muhammed]

ROTI MAKING GOES INTERNATIONAL !!

Roti Making in Seattle

11th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: WA, United States, Seattle, Markaz

[ghulam muhammed]

MOHABBAT NI ROTI, BAIRO COMPETITION HELD IN SAIFEE MOHALLA RATLAM (M.P.)

12th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436
Location: MP, India, RATLAM, SAIFEE MOHALLA MASJID SEHEN

[Sabar]

Do not look towards the act of making roti itself but rather to what it symbolizes. You might be asking yourself why does Aqa Moula himself performs this act in front of so many mumineen or why is this seemingly small act afforded such importance and why do even men partake in it so enthusiastically?

The simple short and all encompassing answer is simple: Ta'at. If one cannot even follow such a small directive then how would you expect anyone to follow anything greater?.

Do not look towards the act of beheading itself but rather to what it symbolises. You might be asking yourself why do people perform just acts in front of the world or why is this gruesome act afforded such barbarity and why do men partake in to so enthusiastically?
The short and all encompassing answer is simple: Ta’at. If one cannot commit such a cowardly act then how would you expect anyone to defend your faith?……….lets try another one

Do not look towards the act of shouting itself but rather to what it symbolises. You might be asking yourself why does MS himself performs this act in front of so many mumineen during waaz in masjid or why this blatant act of anger and frustration affords such outbursts and why do men listen to it so intently?
The short and all encompassing answer is simple:Ta'at. If one cannot instil fear in ones followers then how would you expect anyone to follow and love you?…………..one more

Do not look towards the act of cursing and demonising your Mazoon but rather to what it symbolises. You might be asking yourself why did MS and company themselves perform this act secretly and now openly in front of so many people or why this blatant act of jealously and greed afforded such wickedness?
The short and all encompassing answer is simple; Ta’at…the total lack of it! No Ta’at for Burhanuddin aqa’s amal, teachings and Mazoon!

I loved how you paraphrased MS' bayaans and roti exhibitions. Allah has given you a brain, use it, don’t abuse it!

[fayyaaz]

Allah has given you a brain, use it, don’t abuse it!

Great post Sabar. And then you have to spoil it all by sanctimonious advice about using the brain! You must surely know that ta'at means giving your brain a permanent holiday.

[Sabar]

Allah has given you a brain, use it, don’t abuse it!

Great post Sabar. And then you have to spoil it all by sanctimonious advice about using the brain! You must surely know that ta'at means giving your brain a permanent holiday.

lol, Since you don't like Ta’at maybe it can be replaced by one of a thousand other words from MS’ elusive propaganda phrasebook. I think ‘mohabbat’ would also fit very well although i think its already quite a popular justification for just about EVERYTHING!

[zinger]

i really REALLY do not understand all this roti making tamasha nonsense.

men learning to make rotis is, IMHO, a good idea. it always helps to learn a new skill.
you never know, if the wife is away or sick or something, make rotis at home and order a gravy from outside, so a good move all in all

BUT..... this whole competition thing is going beyond the realm of ridiculous, it is now venturing on the border of BIZZARE

Do not look towards the act of making roti itself but rather to what it symbolizes. You might be asking yourself why does Aqa Moula himself performs this act in front of so many mumineen or why is this seemingly small act afforded such importance and why do even men partake in it so enthusiastically?

The simple short and all encompassing answer is simple: Ta'at. If one cannot even follow such a small directive then how would you expect anyone to follow anything greater? Its pretty clear to see that those who grumble and complain (or even deny) giving waajebaat, which is farizaat, are the majority and most vocal of those who decry this farmaan.

These competitions are organized under the ta'abudaat a'amal, an act of simple 'ibadat and another way to gain Aqa Moula's happiness. It binds the community and reminds us of our cultural heritage. It symbolizes the common denominator between all people people from the rich all the way to the poor- hunger, akin to the white ehraam during hajj. It is the staple food of kings and beggars. It is a symbol of the love the community has towards our Moula and each other. It encompasses an entire field of knowledge, the roti is but the summarization of a great agricultural process. It is an act of kindness generating sawab and leading to jannat ('Itaa'm ut Ta'aam). It is a social welfare in a nutshell. It is time put to productive use. It is a call towards elegance in simplicity. It is devotion and vigour towards any khidmat or farmaan. It is one of the last acts of Moulatena Fatema a.s. It is part of the last meal of Ameerul Mumineen A.S.

People who mock this act are doing it solely out of spite since it goes without saying that no one expects mumineen to drop everything and make this a profession (although for the unfortunate among mumineen it has become a source of income).

Its even what you say although FMB thaali mostly prevents that from ever occuring. So in short you should instead be asking yourself- where do I sign up to partake in these competitions.

Hussain bhai, i extend a very warm welcome to you on the site.

you will notice i have put a LIKE on your post. my reason for doing that is 2 fold
1. it is refreshing to see an intelligent and humble poster after a long time. we have been plagued with some complete fools from our side of late
2. i respect the passion with which you have defended your posts and yet mantained the decorum that one expects from a mumineen

that said, i dont actually agree with some points of your post. let me point them out to you

Do not look towards the act of making roti itself but rather to what it symbolizes. You might be asking yourself why does Aqa Moula himself performs this act in front of so many mumineen or why is this seemingly small act afforded such importance and why do even men partake in it so enthusiastically?

Please do tell me what this symbolises.

The simple short and all encompassing answer is simple: Ta'at. If one cannot even follow such a small directive then how would you expect anyone to follow anything greater? Its pretty clear to see that those who grumble and complain (or even deny) giving waajebaat, which is farizaat, are the majority and most vocal of those who decry this farmaan.

Really??? i used to follow all directives and farmans that used to come. but over time, i started to realise the futility of it all. that is when i started to realise that some, not all mind you, do not make much sense. No one has ever grumbled about giving waajebaat. what we do grumble about is how we are forced to pay amounts that are either not acceptable or not possible to pay. this was never the case in the time of Burhanuddin Maula. he never said "hajji waajebaat aapo, hajji waajebaato aapo". it was always give what you can. it was only in the last 4 years that this started.

These competitions are organized under the ta'abudaat a'amal, an act of simple 'ibadat and another way to gain Aqa Moula's happiness. It binds the community and reminds us of our cultural heritage. It symbolizes the common denominator between all people people from the rich all the way to the poor- hunger, akin to the white ehraam during hajj. It is the staple food of kings and beggars. It is a symbol of the love the community has towards our Moula and each other. It encompasses an entire field of knowledge, the roti is but the summarization of a great agricultural process. It is an act of kindness generating sawab and leading to jannat ('Itaa'm ut Ta'aam). It is a social welfare in a nutshell. It is time put to productive use. It is a call towards elegance in simplicity. It is devotion and vigour towards any khidmat or farmaan. It is one of the last acts of Moulatena Fatema a.s. It is part of the last meal of Ameerul Mumineen A.S.

Again, while i agree with all that you say here, i have a problem with 2 things in your point

1. Why must you drag Ameerul Mumineen A.S. and his last meal into this? you know that this a weakness for all Dawoodi Bohras, that we will do anything in the name of Panjatan Paak and are you trying to exploit this weakness of ours??
2. I completely agree with all that you said, i repeat it once again so there is no confusion, BUT... BUT BUT BUT... why make it into a competition???? that makes it more comical than anything else. you want to add the element of social equality, why not do this instead... every sunday, groups of men should be called as volunteers to makes rotis and these should be distributed to poor homes, since the FMB thaali does not come on Sunday. wouldnt this make more sense? when the outcome is social service in its truest sense and not winning a competition, that is when the reality shall become visible

People who mock this act are doing it solely out of spite since it goes without saying that no one expects mumineen to drop everything and make this a profession (although for the unfortunate among mumineen it has become a source of income).

i speak for myself when i say this... i am NOT mocking it. i am getting angry with the way this is being carried out. did we have any such nonsense in the time of Burhanuddin Maula RA???

Its even what you say although FMB thaali mostly prevents that from ever occuring. So in short you should instead be asking yourself- where do I sign up to partake in these competitions.

i swear to you hussainbhai, the day that every tom dick and harry of the kothar and Qasr E Aali and Bait E Zainee and each and every person or Saify Mahal does this, AND... AND AND AND... u really make this into a social cause and not a frigging competition, i shall be the first one to sign up and you can take these words of mine to the bank

[asad]

Br. Zinger,

Its quite naive of you to absolve SMB from the tamasha's we are seeing today. You might have forgotten it but we remember SMB asking people to pay double the amount as wajebaat ever year. The protests and demand for reform are not 4 years old since MS took over the reign but they are 60 years old.

Agreed roti making is MS brainchild but who can forget SMB starting tamasha's of his own vis a vis Moharram tamasha's, ziyafats, titles of Sheikh and Mulla to every tome dick and harry who had moolah, processions, and his favorite pass time Hunting. These all activities are tamasha's which MS has taken to greater heights.

List of SMB's follies is quite long but this will give you a clear picture that he was the father of MS in every sense.