Zinger-
That is a question that you'll need answered by someone qualified. I'm not sure if a higher percentage of homosexual people are born to a homosexual father mating with a heterosexual woman. It's an interesting question though; if there is a correlation, it might insinuate that there is a genetic component of homosexuality. Perhaps you may email someone with the knowledge to answer your inquiry.
Homosexuality and child abuse
Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
Bro SBM,
I agree that mre media coverage and exposure can make someone try 'being gay' as you explained someone may become alchoholic or druggie and may not agree it is wrong - my reply is, people do this - do not people 'try' anal sex (sorry if I am blunt)? Don't man sodomise boys?? Do not straight people rape (women)?? What this has to do with someone's sexuality??
My argument is 'if you are straight can you 'become' gay by choice?'
I agree that mre media coverage and exposure can make someone try 'being gay' as you explained someone may become alchoholic or druggie and may not agree it is wrong - my reply is, people do this - do not people 'try' anal sex (sorry if I am blunt)? Don't man sodomise boys?? Do not straight people rape (women)?? What this has to do with someone's sexuality??
My argument is 'if you are straight can you 'become' gay by choice?'
Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
SMB-
I have studied something similar to your alcoholism example. Some criminals are simply born with a higher chance of becoming a criminal. An example of this is the antisocial disorder- brain scans of peoples with this disorder have shown that there is something awry in their brains; the person was born in that situation. The person wasn't influenced into contracting the disorder. They were born with it. I don't mean to compare homosexuality with any disorder; but there are certain things that are definitely a result of a person's genetic makeup.
I have studied something similar to your alcoholism example. Some criminals are simply born with a higher chance of becoming a criminal. An example of this is the antisocial disorder- brain scans of peoples with this disorder have shown that there is something awry in their brains; the person was born in that situation. The person wasn't influenced into contracting the disorder. They were born with it. I don't mean to compare homosexuality with any disorder; but there are certain things that are definitely a result of a person's genetic makeup.
Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
See! A homosexual member of your community has openly admitted to being afraid of coming out due to religious and social constrains. The religion promotes hate of homosexuals, and as a result, this person isn't allowed to be himself. He may very well live his entire life undercover, unable to express himself appropriately. And you cannot blame him; if he comes out, he will be discriminated against, hated in the community, he will be shunned! If our society had the competence to view homosexuals as equals, he would be freed from his bonds. It's all in the attitude. Once homosexuals are granted rights, discrimination may begin to fade away; in the U.S. lies a great example. African Americans were heavily discriminated against for hundreds of years; but now, not long since the civil rights movement, the public's view of them has, in my opinion, greatly improved. Granted, there is still a big problem (disparity between whites and blacks in income, education, etc), but in a relatively short amount of time, so much has been done.
If the same is done with homosexuals, perhaps in the future, this will cease to be an issue.
If the same is done with homosexuals, perhaps in the future, this will cease to be an issue.
Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
Nitzsche
I do agree with you, person should not be discriminated based on their preference of sex and if you do live in West there is less discrimination with homosexuals then with blacks and for that reason with Muslims. Since many major figures in News and Political circle (In USA) have come out it seems that stigma of being homosexual is less as compared to being a Muslim. I think being a Muslim is more of disadvantage then being a Homosexual in USA. I do hope people will accept them as such as Human Being and treat them with respect and love instead of hate and bigotry.
Now asking people of religion to accept this life style is little difficult heck people of religion are fighting for miniscule things like Shia-Sunni, Christian and Mormons, Conservative and Liberal Jews but all of them will find it difficult to accept the life style as this comes from their teaching of religion.
I do agree with you, person should not be discriminated based on their preference of sex and if you do live in West there is less discrimination with homosexuals then with blacks and for that reason with Muslims. Since many major figures in News and Political circle (In USA) have come out it seems that stigma of being homosexual is less as compared to being a Muslim. I think being a Muslim is more of disadvantage then being a Homosexual in USA. I do hope people will accept them as such as Human Being and treat them with respect and love instead of hate and bigotry.
Now asking people of religion to accept this life style is little difficult heck people of religion are fighting for miniscule things like Shia-Sunni, Christian and Mormons, Conservative and Liberal Jews but all of them will find it difficult to accept the life style as this comes from their teaching of religion.
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badrijanab
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Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
In reference to homosexuality, Alhamdolillah, Bohra maslaq as always is completely in compliance with Quran = disprove and denounce homosexuality.badrijanab wrote:For non-Bohras: Religion is made by whims and fancies of their leaders. So they contend the then banning homosexuality was incorrect decision, which now can be revised. So non-Bohras belonging to Abde etc, etc and etc, promoting Homosex are sinful per below Quranic verses and those non-Bohras who are Abde 'Mutah' too are party of former type of non-Bohras
For Bohra Mumin, the true Shiyane Haider-a-Karrar Ameer-al-Momineen Mola Ali a.s.: Quran commands in below verses Homosexuality is sinful act hence Haram (in past, present & future).
(1) 26: 165-166,
(2) 7: 80-81,
(3) 27: 55,
(4) 11: 77-79
Where else, Non-Bohras seems to have disprove commands of Quran. They are in clear breach of above verses of Quran! They are using their personal whims and fancies to justify sins of gay/lesbian to be act of non-sins!
Non-Bohras trying to equate gay/lesbian with common mumin! No, their are not. gay/lesbian are convicted in eye of Islam to commit double of sin than the rapist and are subject to capital punishment in this world and severe punishment in hell in life hereafter as their guilt is double of rapist.
Non-Bohras as in every other matter of Shariyat use their faulty whims and fancies to presume their action as Shariyat a Mohammadi s.a.w.w. likewise in the context of Homosexuality too they have disprove commands of Quran.
Behamdolillah, as usual only Bohra maslaq is the only maslaq to be in compliance of Quran and non-Bohras as seen in this thread are advocating against Quran.
Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
Well then I guess there's little parallel between being a decent person and being a devout adherent to a religion (assuming you ACTUALLY follow what is mandated in the Quran- that is, in this case, resenting homosexuals).
I guess I'll have to let Allah know that before he puts me in hell, right badrijanab?
I guess I'll have to let Allah know that before he puts me in hell, right badrijanab?
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qutub_mamajiwala
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Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
Taliban use 'honey trap' boys to kill Afghan police
The Taliban are using young boys as sex slaves to mount crippling insider attacks on police in southern Afghanistan, exploiting the pervasive practice of "bacha bazi" — paedophilic boy play — to infiltrate security ranks, multiple officials and survivors of such assaults said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 775123.cms
The Taliban are using young boys as sex slaves to mount crippling insider attacks on police in southern Afghanistan, exploiting the pervasive practice of "bacha bazi" — paedophilic boy play — to infiltrate security ranks, multiple officials and survivors of such assaults said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 775123.cms
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ghulam muhammed
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Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
Stop Exploiting LGBT Issues to Demonize Islam and Justify Anti-Muslim Policies
IN THE LATE 1990s, Eric Rudolph — raised Catholic and affiliated for a time with a Christian Identity sect — bombed abortion clinics and a gay bar, insisting they were venues of immorality and evil. Last July, an Orthodox Jewish Israeli attacked the marchers in the Jerusalem LGBT pride parade, stabbing six of them, and one of them, a teenager, died of her wounds; justifying his attacks by appealing to Talmudic punishments for homosexuality, he had just been released from a 10-year prison term for doing the same in 2005. Yesterday, a Christian pastor from Arizona, Steven Anderson, praised the slaughter of 49 people in an Orlando LGBT club on the ground that “homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts” and are “pedophiles.”
Violent attacks on gay bars in the U.S. have long been common, as sociology professor Greggor Mattson documented today: “The crime blotters of the gay press have always been punctuated by attacks on patrons at gay bars and continue to be today,” including killings. In 2014, a brutal hate crime against a gay couple was carried out by staff and students at a Catholic high school. In overwhelmingly Catholic and evangelical Brazil, killing of trans women is now an epidemic. The Terrence McNally play Corpus Christi was repeatedly targeted in the U.S. with bomb threats and had to be canceled because it depicted Jesus as gay.
A 2015 Pew poll found that U.S. Muslims were more accepting of homosexuality than evangelical Christians, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses:
Both China and Russia are overwhelmingly non-religious and also vehemently anti-gay; to the extent Russians are religious, they are loyal to the Orthodox Christian Church. In Cameroon, Catholic Church officials continue to spew the most vile and inflammatory anti-gay rhetoric. A prominent evangelical multimillionaire Brazilian pastor and congressman with a history of vile anti-gay rhetoric, Marco Feliciano, yesterday attacked the LGBT community for “using” the Orlando massacre for “self-promotion” and instead said that support for Palestinians was to blame.
Over the last several years, Christian zealots in the U.S. have agitated with both activism and money — often successfully — for the implementation of severely repressive anti-LGBT laws in Christian Africa. That includes Uganda, where they tried to implement the death penalty for homosexuals. The law that was passed, criminalizing homosexuality, has led to severe increases in violent attacks against LGBTs.
None of this is to deny in the slightest that deeply anti-LGBT attitudes are pervasive in parts of the Muslim world: In most countries (though not all) acceptance is in the single digits. But that’s also true of equally poor parts of the Christian world, where only tiny parts of the population of largely Christian countries such as Ghana, Uganda, and Kenya believe society should accept homosexuality. In other countries that are not predominantly Muslim — China, Russia, Nigeria, El Salvador, Israel — pluralities similarly oppose the societal acceptance of homosexuality.
It’s also true that parts of Islamic doctrine contain all sorts of horrible views on LGBTs, women, and other issues. But exactly the same is true of both the Christian Bible and Jewish Talmud. When it comes to Jews and Christians, people instinctively understand how bigoted and deceitful it is to cherry-pick particularly offensive excerpts from their holy books and use them to demonize all contemporary Christians and Jews.
Indeed, a standard tactic of neo-Nazis and other various anti-Semites is to cite ugly excerpts from the Talmud — including ones purportedly endorsing Jews holding non-Jews as slaves or lying to and stealing from non-Jews — as evidence of the dishonesty and untrustworthiness of Jews generally. We all understand that this tactic is so vile, unscholarly, and anti-intellectual precisely because modern adherents to those religions interpret and apply (or ignore) those provisions in all sorts of ways.
Exactly the same is true of Muslims, yet an entire cottage industry of pseudo-intellectual charlatans — including ones who admit to never having even read the Quran — uses exactly this tawdry tactic to demonize Islam (watch this social experiment where people are read heinous Bible passages and falsely told they are from the Quran). There are literally millions upon millions of Muslims who hold positive views about, and engage in positive interactions with, gay people with regularity (which is why it’s almost always true that those most devoted to demonizing Islam are the ones who know the fewest number of Muslims (just as is true of LGBTs, ironically)).
Indeed, there are LGBT Muslims all over the world who — just like all other LGBTs — struggle to meld their identities and religious convictions and navigate various personal conflicts. As the executive director of the largest American Muslim group, CAIR, said yesterday: “For many years, members of the LGBT community have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Muslim community against acts of hate crimes, Islamophobia, marginalization, and discrimination. Today, we stand with them, shoulder to shoulder.” Muslims who work to make Islam more open to LGBTs deserve support, but those most eager to demonize Islam — for all sorts of tribalistic, nationalistic, and religious reasons — typically erase such people because their presence demonstrates how misleading the absolutist pictures of Muslims they want to paint are.
Despite all this data, the standard group of hateful polemicists who literally seem to devote their lives to exploiting every news event to attack Islam wasted no time yesterday — before any facts were known, while the bodies were literally still in the club — squeezing the horrific slaughter in Orlando to depict Muslims as uniquely hateful of LGBTs. Never mind that the suspect, Omar Mateen, showed no signs of religious fanaticism, was (according to numerous close sources) suffering from mental illness, had a history of wife-beating, worked for a major defense/mercenary contractor, had no known connection to extremist groups until his 911 call citing ISIS, and was obsessed with joining the NYPD.
The opportunity to exploit LGBT suffering to fuel the standard anti-Muslim agenda was far too attractive to resist, no matter how many facts negate it. Try to tell LGBT citizens who grew up in North America, or South America, or Europe, that anti-gay hatred is an exclusive attribute of Islam and the scorn you’ll provoke — grounded in actual personal experience rather than hateful ideology — will be intense.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/13/sto ... -policies/
IN THE LATE 1990s, Eric Rudolph — raised Catholic and affiliated for a time with a Christian Identity sect — bombed abortion clinics and a gay bar, insisting they were venues of immorality and evil. Last July, an Orthodox Jewish Israeli attacked the marchers in the Jerusalem LGBT pride parade, stabbing six of them, and one of them, a teenager, died of her wounds; justifying his attacks by appealing to Talmudic punishments for homosexuality, he had just been released from a 10-year prison term for doing the same in 2005. Yesterday, a Christian pastor from Arizona, Steven Anderson, praised the slaughter of 49 people in an Orlando LGBT club on the ground that “homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts” and are “pedophiles.”
Violent attacks on gay bars in the U.S. have long been common, as sociology professor Greggor Mattson documented today: “The crime blotters of the gay press have always been punctuated by attacks on patrons at gay bars and continue to be today,” including killings. In 2014, a brutal hate crime against a gay couple was carried out by staff and students at a Catholic high school. In overwhelmingly Catholic and evangelical Brazil, killing of trans women is now an epidemic. The Terrence McNally play Corpus Christi was repeatedly targeted in the U.S. with bomb threats and had to be canceled because it depicted Jesus as gay.
A 2015 Pew poll found that U.S. Muslims were more accepting of homosexuality than evangelical Christians, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses:
Both China and Russia are overwhelmingly non-religious and also vehemently anti-gay; to the extent Russians are religious, they are loyal to the Orthodox Christian Church. In Cameroon, Catholic Church officials continue to spew the most vile and inflammatory anti-gay rhetoric. A prominent evangelical multimillionaire Brazilian pastor and congressman with a history of vile anti-gay rhetoric, Marco Feliciano, yesterday attacked the LGBT community for “using” the Orlando massacre for “self-promotion” and instead said that support for Palestinians was to blame.
Over the last several years, Christian zealots in the U.S. have agitated with both activism and money — often successfully — for the implementation of severely repressive anti-LGBT laws in Christian Africa. That includes Uganda, where they tried to implement the death penalty for homosexuals. The law that was passed, criminalizing homosexuality, has led to severe increases in violent attacks against LGBTs.
None of this is to deny in the slightest that deeply anti-LGBT attitudes are pervasive in parts of the Muslim world: In most countries (though not all) acceptance is in the single digits. But that’s also true of equally poor parts of the Christian world, where only tiny parts of the population of largely Christian countries such as Ghana, Uganda, and Kenya believe society should accept homosexuality. In other countries that are not predominantly Muslim — China, Russia, Nigeria, El Salvador, Israel — pluralities similarly oppose the societal acceptance of homosexuality.
It’s also true that parts of Islamic doctrine contain all sorts of horrible views on LGBTs, women, and other issues. But exactly the same is true of both the Christian Bible and Jewish Talmud. When it comes to Jews and Christians, people instinctively understand how bigoted and deceitful it is to cherry-pick particularly offensive excerpts from their holy books and use them to demonize all contemporary Christians and Jews.
Indeed, a standard tactic of neo-Nazis and other various anti-Semites is to cite ugly excerpts from the Talmud — including ones purportedly endorsing Jews holding non-Jews as slaves or lying to and stealing from non-Jews — as evidence of the dishonesty and untrustworthiness of Jews generally. We all understand that this tactic is so vile, unscholarly, and anti-intellectual precisely because modern adherents to those religions interpret and apply (or ignore) those provisions in all sorts of ways.
Exactly the same is true of Muslims, yet an entire cottage industry of pseudo-intellectual charlatans — including ones who admit to never having even read the Quran — uses exactly this tawdry tactic to demonize Islam (watch this social experiment where people are read heinous Bible passages and falsely told they are from the Quran). There are literally millions upon millions of Muslims who hold positive views about, and engage in positive interactions with, gay people with regularity (which is why it’s almost always true that those most devoted to demonizing Islam are the ones who know the fewest number of Muslims (just as is true of LGBTs, ironically)).
Indeed, there are LGBT Muslims all over the world who — just like all other LGBTs — struggle to meld their identities and religious convictions and navigate various personal conflicts. As the executive director of the largest American Muslim group, CAIR, said yesterday: “For many years, members of the LGBT community have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Muslim community against acts of hate crimes, Islamophobia, marginalization, and discrimination. Today, we stand with them, shoulder to shoulder.” Muslims who work to make Islam more open to LGBTs deserve support, but those most eager to demonize Islam — for all sorts of tribalistic, nationalistic, and religious reasons — typically erase such people because their presence demonstrates how misleading the absolutist pictures of Muslims they want to paint are.
Despite all this data, the standard group of hateful polemicists who literally seem to devote their lives to exploiting every news event to attack Islam wasted no time yesterday — before any facts were known, while the bodies were literally still in the club — squeezing the horrific slaughter in Orlando to depict Muslims as uniquely hateful of LGBTs. Never mind that the suspect, Omar Mateen, showed no signs of religious fanaticism, was (according to numerous close sources) suffering from mental illness, had a history of wife-beating, worked for a major defense/mercenary contractor, had no known connection to extremist groups until his 911 call citing ISIS, and was obsessed with joining the NYPD.
The opportunity to exploit LGBT suffering to fuel the standard anti-Muslim agenda was far too attractive to resist, no matter how many facts negate it. Try to tell LGBT citizens who grew up in North America, or South America, or Europe, that anti-gay hatred is an exclusive attribute of Islam and the scorn you’ll provoke — grounded in actual personal experience rather than hateful ideology — will be intense.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/13/sto ... -policies/
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qutub_mamajiwala
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Re: Homosexuality and child abuse
Ameerul involved in bestiality with goats, killed them
Kochi: Ameerul Islam, accused in the Jisha murder case , used to involve in bestiality with goats and had the habit of killing the animals afterwards. The shocking revelations came during the interrogation of the accused. In some of the cases the accused used to mutilate the private parts of the animals he had used.
His sexual perversions had come out when police found a video of the accused having sex with a goat owned by a family in Perumbavoor earlier this year. The act of bestiality recorded on the mobile by another migrant worker later helped the police to identify the accused. The accused mutilated the private parts of the goat also.
According to officials who are part of the investigation, the accused is a strong man with toned body as he was engaged in manual works at construction sites. He also had the habit of watching porn movies in his cell phone during leisure time.
The police believe that the accused had friends who also have similar interests as the video of raping goat was filmed by another migrant worker. They suspect that the act of bestiality was done by taking turns while the second person recorded the same.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 826884.cms?
Kochi: Ameerul Islam, accused in the Jisha murder case , used to involve in bestiality with goats and had the habit of killing the animals afterwards. The shocking revelations came during the interrogation of the accused. In some of the cases the accused used to mutilate the private parts of the animals he had used.
His sexual perversions had come out when police found a video of the accused having sex with a goat owned by a family in Perumbavoor earlier this year. The act of bestiality recorded on the mobile by another migrant worker later helped the police to identify the accused. The accused mutilated the private parts of the goat also.
According to officials who are part of the investigation, the accused is a strong man with toned body as he was engaged in manual works at construction sites. He also had the habit of watching porn movies in his cell phone during leisure time.
The police believe that the accused had friends who also have similar interests as the video of raping goat was filmed by another migrant worker. They suspect that the act of bestiality was done by taking turns while the second person recorded the same.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 826884.cms?