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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:09 am

See Wikipedia where they removed the name of wife of Taha bin Mufaddal Saifuddin as she is daughter of Khuzaima Qutbuddin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_Saifuddin

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Sikander » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:14 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Sikander wrote:I've been noticing that everybody from my watsapp bohra group have removed their profile pictures...Why is that?Was there any silly fatwa from muffy again?
I don't think you have been reading all the posts as this was already mentioned earlier thru a watsup msg :-

Hamna watsup par koi bhi picture profile ma na naakhe kem ke munafiqo ehni sites par apna photo naakhi ne em batawi rahya che ke aa logo mola mufaddal ni nass no inkar kari lidho che e waaste meherbani kari ne koi bhi apno photo profile par set na kare.
I read this post but I thought it was a joke, but as usual Abdes are dumb to follow this farman thanks anyways to post it again.

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by exploitedpocket » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:29 am

"@mansi_choksi: After the Syedna's death, the Bohra community on verge of split: http://t.co/LJF9yokDMX"

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by AMAFHH » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:32 am

Hussain_Ksa
the wife name is written on Wikipedia?

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:39 am

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

A lot is being discussed with regard to the alleged good and evil of mazun but it is necessary to read his "Philosophy" which is spelled out herein under although it has to be seen as to how far he will implement the same in letter and spirit :-


Philosophy

Syedna Khuzaima QutbuddinTUS ’s vision for Dawat is the true vision of haqq, which continues the vision of Syedna Taher SaifuddinRA and Syedna Muhammad BurhanuddinRA. In contrast to Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb’s policies which are against the Shariat and the fundamental principles of Dawat, Syedna Qutbuddin’s vision is a continuance of the philosophy and practice of RasulullahSA, Amir-ul-MumineenSA, ImamsSA, and DuatRA.

Philosophy and Vision – Doctrine of Dawat-e-Hadiya

In every age, an Imam-uz-zamaan guides mumineen to Allah Ta’ala and the path of truth, and in the period of his satr, his Dai guides mumineen to Allah Ta’ala and the path of truth. Just as each Imam appoints his successor by Nass with Allah Ta’ala’s ta’eed, each Dai appoints his successor by Nass with Imam-uz-zaman’s ilhaam. It is only by giving misaaq and pledge of allegiance and obedience to Imam-uz-zaman and his Dai that mumineen attain jannat, and in this zamaan, najaat is achieved by giving misaaq to our Dai-z-zamaan. Syedna Muhammad Burhanuddin appointed Syedna Qutbuddin as his Mazoon and Mansoos—this is the true silsilo, or chain of authority, of Dawat-ul-haqq.

Philosophy and Vision – Practice: Shari’at and Morality

Shariat:


Mumineen should uphold the Shariat to the best of their ability. They should undertake the seven Da’a’im: walaayat, tahaarat, namaaz, zakaat, roza, hajj and jihaad (struggle against evil). All aspects of a mumin’s life—religious ritual, business transactions, social dealings, his entire way of life—should be governed by the laws of Allah Ta’ala.

Morality, kindness and respect:

Mumineen should uphold the highest standards of morality. Following the example of their Mawali Tahereen, they should strive to be good, honest, decent and kind human beings. Tolerance is a key aspect of our religion, and mumineen should maintain the dignity and respect of their mumin brothers and sisters at all times. The scale should be taqwa and piety, not wealth or connections. A mumin’s faith, imaan, is his or her badge of honor, and there should be no intolerance or persecution within our community. Amir-ul-mumineenSA has said, “mumin mumin na bhai chhe” (al-mumin akhu-l-mumin). And Syedna HatimRA has said that mumineen are children of the same spiritual father and mother, Dai and Mazoon, and as such, they should help one another, care for one another, and sincerely love one another as brothers and sisters.

The hurmat and sanctity of each mumin must be preserved. No one should be allowed to malign others. The color-coded system of green, yellow and red safai-chitthi instituted by certain elements within the administration is wrong; it creates dissension among mumineen. It is imperative that there be unity in the jama’at; that all jama’at members live in harmony and concord. In Dawat majalis and in all mumineen gatherings, an atmosphere of joy and tranquility should prevail. Spiritual elevation is obtained by learning and deeds, ilm and amal, and it is Allah Ta’ala who determines it. It is not for the Aamil to decide who is green and who is red.

Revealing another’s sin is itself a grave sin. Just as it is imperative that mumineen shun what God has prohibited, muharramaat, it is also imperative that they should conceal the slips of others. Amir-ul-mumineen praised the person who censures himself, not others (al-munsifo min nafsihi). Indeed, Khuda Ta’ala is merciful and forgiving, our Imam-uz-zamaan is the heir of Rasulullah, mercy for all the worlds, rehmatun li-l-aalameen, and of Amir-ul-mumineen, and our Dai sits on the Imam’s throne of mercy, rehmat-ni-gaadi. Amir-ul-mumineen also said, “If I saw a mumin in an act of indecency I would throw my own robe upon him to hide his shame” (law ra’aytu l-mumina ala fahishatin la-satartuhu bi-sawbi haza). The Mufaddali drive to humiliate mumineen and expose their human errors is wrong and against the command of Maula Ali.

Mumineen should also strive to be helpful to all God’s children. Rasulullah has said, “All humans are children of God, and God loves him who helps his children,” (al-khalqu iyal-ul-lah wa-ahabbu n-nasi ila-llahi anfa’uhu li-‘iyalihi). Mumineen should be able to live happily with their families in the privacy of their homes, and in peace and harmony with the community of mumineen, as well as with their fellow human beings everywhere. We should strive to be an open and inclusive society. We must restore the tradition of mutual respect and fellowship with other religious communities, and engage in enhancing the social welfare of fellow Indians and of our compatriots in whichever country we live in.

Philosophy and Vision – Social and Economic Issues

Education for men and women:

Knowledge of the Qur’an and our Fatemi heritage is the source of radiance and grace, noor and barakat, for this world and the next. Mumineen should make it a priority to learn ilm of Aal-e-Muhammad. They should also know that it is completely acceptable, nay, it is necessary, to ask questions in order to understand.

It is important to keep in mind that this ilm should come from a pure source and not one that abuses it to propagate worldly aims. There are certain so-called scholars in our community who are actually shaitaans covering their evil intentions with a white robe, and mumineen should be wary of them. Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb bases his wa’az on the tainted creeds of these shaitaans, distorting and subverting the bayaans of Sayyidna Taher Saifuddin and Sayyidna Muhammad Burhanuddin. As such, he alters the true doctrines and demeans the exalted status of our mawali. Mumineen should reject these made-up, new-fangled and wrong interpretations, and cling to the time-honored pure doctrines of haqq that inculcates reverence of mawali and hudood, and teaches how to live a good and godly Shariat-minded life.

In addition to deeni taleem, mumineen should also strive to get the best possible secular education. Imam Ahmad al-MastoorAS has said, “Religion is not just prayer and fasting; rather it means striving for prosperity both in this world and the next” (laysa d-deeno sawman wa-salaatan faqat, innama d-deeno ‘imaaratu d-dunya wa-l-aakhira). We are on the path of truth in religion, and we can also be ahead in this world. Our community is proud to have among its members large numbers of highly-educated individuals and professionals.

Women must also be educated. RasulullahSA has said “Seeking knowledge is a mandatory act, a farizat, incumbent upon every Muslim man and Muslim woman” (talabu-l-‘ilmi farizatun ‘ala kulli muslimin wa-muslimatin). Their first duty is to nurture their family, but they should also strive for dynamic participation in Dawat khidmat and in society at large. Our models are Maulatuna Fatema and Maulatuna Hurrat-ul-Malika, embodiments of perfect womanhood, repositories of ilm, exemplars of piety, and illustrious propagators of Dawat-ul-haqq. Our women play a vital role in our community. Traditional skills of homemaking are important, but they are not the only things that are important, and they certainly should not be presented as a criterion for salvation, najaat . It is a ridiculous and insulting notion to state that only those women who can make roti can get married in this world or receive Maulatuna Fatema’s shafa’at in the next. Hand in hand with the primary responsibility of caring for husbands and children, and while always maintaining lihaaz, modesty, in dress and behavior, women should strive for the best possible education, become accomplished homemakers, and also doctors, teachers, engineers and business leaders, break the glass ceiling. This is the vision propagated by Sayyidna Taher Saifuddin, Sayyidna Mohammad Burhanuddin and our noble mawali; it is their wish and their command.

Syedna Qutbuddin has encouraged his own children, both daughters and sons, to strive for excellence in religious as well as secular learning; something that is achievable through hard work and conviction. He has regularly taught them sabaq in Dawat texts, zahir, tawil and haqiqat. He has also encouraged them to pursue Ph.D. degrees in Arabic and Islamic studies in renowned world universities, and to publish their research on Aal-e-Muhammad in acclaimed university presses, in order to make the eminence of our mawali known to all the world. Moreover, he has promoted their pursuit of degrees in psychology, computer science, English literature, journalism and political science.

Financial Issues:

Dawat dues and waajebaat should be collected strictly in line with Shariat rules, not randomly higher and higher on individual whim. Zakat is compulsory at the rate of 2.5 percent on savings that you’ve held on to over the past year; only the Fitro (Zakat al-Fitr) is compulsory on everyone regardless of income. The notion of taking out a loan to pay wajebaat is preposterous. The distinction between compulsory and voluntary, farizat and sunnat, must be maintained. Mumineen cannot be denied the right to pray namaaz in masjid or to submit zakat, citing other transgressions. Mumineen should be encouraged to spend generously in Dawat khidmat and charity schemes, but they should not be forced or coerced.

An atmosphere of constant soliciting for funds should not prevail in Dawat gatherings. The first duty incumbent upon a mumin is worship of God. Mumineen should regularly attend namaaz and majliso in the masjid with tranquility and decorum, without having to worry about bringing five separate envelopes. The Mufaddali group has forgotten God and God’s wali, and has given priority to gathering gold and silver. The two-faced and tense atmosphere they have fostered is not right. All your good deeds should be done with the sincere intention of pleasing Allah, li-wajh-i-llah. That is true khidmat, for which Allah will reward you.

Corruption among members of the administration is not acceptable and must be rooted out. Funds should not be collected in the name of a particular objective, only to be used for something else. Accounts must be clean and transparent, as was the case when Syedna Qutbuddin handled the Saifee Memorial Trust Foundation and the Dubai masjid debt payment many years ago.


The Dawat administration and the well-to-do should always be extremely concerned for the well-being of the less advantaged people within our community, and try hard to ensure that all have at least the basic necessities of food, shelter and clothing. We should also strive to teach these, our brothers and sisters, the means to help themselves through education and entrepreneurship schemes. The charities founded and supervised by Syedna Qutbuddin, such as Zahra Hasanaat and the Qutbi Jubilee Scholarship Program for Higher Education (QJSP), are examples of this sage and conscientious philosophy. They are forward-looking institutions for the benefit of all mumineen. Syedna Qutbuddin’s efforts in this regard are a true implementation of Syedna Burhanuddin’s directives to help mumineen.

Our community should have a dynamic business outlook in this information age, a cutting-edge approach that leads us to prosperity in today’s fast-moving world. Our business vitality should not be lost due to lack of funding. It should not be undercut because of restrictions and directives that have no true basis in Shariat. Our mawali have said that Shariat is ‘samhaa’ and accommodating, not harsh or rigid. While keeping within Shariat laws at all times, mumineen should be encouraged to take advantage of modern-day financial institutions. They should strive to learn new technologies and practices, and advance in business acumen and reach.

Conclusion


We believe mumineen should:
- Uphold the Shariat to the best of their ability,
- Uphold the highest standards of morality,
- Strive to be helpful to all God’s children.

Education
- Knowledge of the Qur’an and our Fatemi heritage is the source of eternal radiance and grace.
- Mumineen should also strive to get the best possible secular education.
- Women have and are encouraged to practice their right to education.

Financial Issues:
- Dawat dues and waajebaat should be collected strictly in line with Shariat rules.
- Dawat should always be extremely concerned for the well-being of the less advantaged.
- Our community should have a dynamic business outlook in this information age.

http://fatemidawat.com/philosophy-vision/

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:01 am

Does that means you`ll support them??
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Alhamdollilah » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:17 am

PROFILE OF MAZOON'S DAUGHTER SYEDI QUTUBUDDIN

Dr. Bazat Tahera Baisab
Daughter of Syedi Mazoon Saheb tus. Received Phd. in Arabic Literature with distinction from Harvard University (Cambridge, Massachusetts). Received MA and BA in Arabic Language and Literature from Ain Shams University (Cairo, Egypt). Currently professor of Arabic Literature at the University of Chicago (Chicago, Illinois). Previously taught at the University of Utah (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2000-2002), Yale University (New Haven, Connecticut, 1998-1999), and Harvard University (during Ph.d. studies, 1992-1999). Email: btq@post.harvard.edu

Dr. Bazat Saifiyah baisab
Daughter of Syedi Mazoon Saheb tus. Phd. in Islamic History [with distinction], Oxford University, UK. MA in Islamic History, BA in English Literature [summa cum laude], The American University in Cairo

Bazat Tyebah baisab
Daughter of Syedi Mazoon Saheb tus. BA in Islamic History and Arabic Literature [with distinction], SOAS, London University, UK. Due to distinction in BA, accepted directly in the Phd. program at London University. Email: tayyeba@uscnet.com

Fatema baisab
Daughter of Syedi Mazoon Saheb tus. BA in Psychology, The American University in Cairo. Also, one year in Psychology MA program, Harvard University, USA. Email: fiezzuddin@hotmail.com

Arwa baisab
Daughter of Syedi Mazoon Saheb tus. Hafize Qur'aan. Specialized courses in Arabic Language and Literature, The American University in Cairo. Email: arwa@uscnet.com

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:29 am

The daughters of Mazun..... Arwa who is the bahu of Muffy and Fatema who is the bahu of Qaid Johar have left their matrimonial houses alongwith their respective children. Muffy and his gang had sent frantic msgs in Bohra circles stating that "Ee logo Bhaagi gaya che" thereby tarnishing the women's as well as Mazun's image. Watch the video below wherein Muffy's and Qaid Johar's grandsons have openly stated that they have left on their own and they duly support Mazun and not Muffy !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USAnA34- ... e=youtu.be

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:33 am

@ghulam muhammed
What do you mean by openly stated..?? Are they mature enough.. They are clearly reading a message given to them...

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Alhamdollilah » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:46 am

May Allah keep the innocent kids under hifazat !!

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by lukman52 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:05 pm

LANAT ON ALL OF YOU WHO STAND WITH KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN.....LANAT ON YOU AND YOUR THOUGHT'S....TIME WILL COME AND YOU PEOPLE WILL BE WASHED UP FROM THIS WORLD.....THIS IF FOR UDAIPURIES AND ANYONE STANDING WITH KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN (LANAT ON HIM AND HIS FOLLOWER'S)

YEH TO AACHA HUWA , NAAM HUMNE TERA (NAME OF MUQADAS MOULANA BURHANUDDIN AND HIS MANSOOS MOULANA MUFADDAL (T.U.S)
APNI KASHTI PE PEHLE HI LIKWA LIYA
DOOR SE HUM KO TUFAAN TAKTA RAHE
BACH GAYE AAJ HUM DOOBTE DOOBTE

DAI KE DUSHNMANO , GOOR SE AB SUNO
RAHA SIDI CHALO AAKL SE KAAM LO
AAJ TAK EAISA REHBAR NA TUM LA SAAKE (FOR UDAIPURIES)
EK MUDAT HUWI DHOONDHTE DHOONDHTE....

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:11 pm

@lukman52
Stop calling this "udaipuries" again and again.. We believe in Dai-ul-mutlaq as much as you do... I am an udaipurian and I love my Dai more than you.. So just keep udaipur out of discussion.

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by layman » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:15 pm

Hey, all you guys need to get practical and think from your brains and not blindly believe the muffadali camp.
Come let's talk practically, one question I'd like to ask all you guys here with all respect to each one, would a son travel luxuriously by private jets all around the world and go to hunt and enjoy to Africa when your father is ill and bedridden and even in hospital at times.? Here this mufaddal has being travelling in private jets and living such a luxurious lifestyle. See the kothar, where they own flats cars and their lifestyle where they're all supposed to be serving the people and living with simplicity. One more thing comes to my mind that would one actually Trust a person who has been given the post and occupied it for the last 50 years by the late Syedna who the people loved and trusted and took an oath or a talibani clown who has just come out of nowhere claiming to be the syedna.. If mufaddal was the real and right one wake up and put some proof of the nass, show the people and show the bohras that you're the one the late syedna actually appointed. Like when a person is ill and got a stroke he got up and sat on the bed and dictated the nass, it's such a big thing so they must have an audio of what the late syedna dictated at that time because right from the apparent nass till he passed away he did not speak. I'm not here to fight but just giving my thoughts. You guys are welcome to reply and share your thoughts.

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ammar » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:26 pm

lukman52 wrote:LANAT ON ALL OF YOU WHO STAND WITH KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN.....LANAT ON YOU AND YOUR THOUGHT'S....TIME WILL COME AND YOU PEOPLE WILL BE WASHED UP FROM THIS WORLD.....THIS IF FOR UDAIPURIES AND ANYONE STANDING WITH KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN (LANAT ON HIM AND HIS FOLLOWER'S)

YEH TO AACHA HUWA , NAAM HUMNE TERA (NAME OF MUQADAS MOULANA BURHANUDDIN AND HIS MANSOOS MOULANA MUFADDAL (T.U.S)
APNI KASHTI PE PEHLE HI LIKWA LIYA
DOOR SE HUM KO TUFAAN TAKTA RAHE
BACH GAYE AAJ HUM DOOBTE DOOBTE

DAI KE DUSHNMANO , GOOR SE AB SUNO
RAHA SIDI CHALO AAKL SE KAAM LO
AAJ TAK EAISA REHBAR NA TUM LA SAAKE (FOR UDAIPURIES)
EK MUDAT HUWI DHOONDHTE DHOONDHTE....

Is this what Islam thaught u..to say Laanat!

U r very rude!

Think with your brain and not your emo...

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by lukman52 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:40 pm

sorry to quote udaipuries id did mean the people who are supporting that shaitan....sorry once again gulam-e-ali

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by lukman52 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:44 pm

sorry gulam-e-ali....i did not tellthis for udaipuries but those people who are with that shaitan.....did not mean to hurt you.....

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ammar » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:44 pm

That "syaitan" was a Mazoon,son of Syedna Taher Saifuddin,brother of Syedna Mohamed Burhanuddin...have you no respect?

Have you gone blind? Have you gone deaf? Have you lost ?

Please be a Muslim!
Allah is watching!

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:49 pm

@layman
What proof does he have of nass. And nass on mufaddal maula was announced while Mohammed Burhanuddin maula RA was still with us ( though he`s still with us in our hearts). Someone who has always fought over property claiming that Syedna Tahir Saifuddin RA left Saifee Mahal to his name even when Burhanuddin Maula was there. And now he is coming out of blues claiming that nass was conferred upon him some 49 years ago?? Is this what my sane mind is supposed to believe?

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by layman » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:51 pm

lukman52 wrote:sorry to quote udaipuries id did mean the people who are supporting that shaitan....sorry once again gulam-e-ali
You're saying laanat on a person who you've sworn by always and on the same person whose name is there on the ruku chitthi of the deceased in the bohra families.
And if you go on evidence SKQ has real proof man. If mufaddal saifuddin is the right one get some evidence and throw it back at the other camp instead of making fun of those individuals by animated pictures and stuff.

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by layman » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:58 pm

ghulam-e-ali wrote:@layman
What proof does he have of nass. And nass on mufaddal maula was announced while Mohammed Burhanuddin maula RA was still with us ( though he`s still with us in our hearts). Someone who has always fought over property claiming that Syedna Tahir Saifuddin RA left Saifee Mahal to his name even when Burhanuddin Maula was there. And now he is coming out of blues claiming that nass was conferred upon him some 49 years ago?? Is this what my sane mind is supposed to believe?
If SKQ owned or hypothetically even own the bohra palace and if he ousted the syedna and his sons out, what does your sane mind say after all this when the syedna and the sons lived in the palace always and SKQ lived out. Why didn't the syedna say anything all this year's if he was asked to leave the palace. Come on buddy. If the syedna after a stroke proclaimed the nass on his second son for real there must be and audio or video recording as it was told that he sat upright in hospital and called for the sons and proclaimed the nass. And the ceremony held here at Mumbai did you even hear each word what the syedna said or the interprated words by the Dr and hi son in law. It looked so scripted. Has the syedna or his later father late syedna taher ever praised mufaddal saifuddin in their sermons and said things that point that he's the chosen one. I don't think so.

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Unread post by Sceptical » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:58 pm

lukman52 wrote:sorry gulam-e-ali....i did not tellthis for udaipuries but those people who are with that shaitan.....did not mean to hurt you.....
"Sheitan", kewa logo cho aap! Vo mazoon jisko aap missaq detha Sheitan bani gaya ? Muhammad Burahnuddin ye 50 saal lag sheitan ko Mazoon rakha? nauzubillah !

So, we have a lot of "sheitan" in our history :mrgreen:
- Zayd bin Ali, Musa Kadhim, Nizar bin Mustansir, Al-Hafiz
- Suleiman (Suleimani), Ali (Alavi)
- ...
Well, do we have Raza to do Lanat on all this persons? :lol:

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Jamali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:04 pm

Interesting turn of events.

To all the Mufaddal Maula Lovers: Dai to ghaib nah jankar che...What happened? You make a "Shaitan" your Mazoon for 50 years and then claim Laanat on him because he is disputing a claim to the top spot...Is this what you as Muslims and Dawoodi Bohras have been taught...Accept the silence but if one speaks out disown him and do Laanat???

Again Mazoon has clearly come out with a claim and given evidence of what he claims. The evidence may or may not be true....Mufaddal Maula; being the truthful Dai as he claims to be should come out and counteract that claim. He is a leader right? The rightful and righteous leader should not have a problem disputing the claim. Then where is the evidence from his side...(And please dont tell me he doesnt have to as he has been doing mojizas left right and center; should not have a problem performing one to authenticate his claim! Remember Ghaib nah jankar che...the supreme being...where is his supremeness at the moment of truth?

Laanat is something you do to a person who goes against the teachings of Islam, our Beloved Imam Ali and ofcourse the all Supreme Almighty Allah.
A man like Mazoon who has been under your fold for the last 50 years, who has prayed with you, taught you and followed your teachings suddenly becomes Shaitan? I mean seriously guys...someone who was one of you till date; suddenly becomes munafiqeen, shaitan, etc.?????????

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:25 pm

Jamali wrote:Interesting turn of events.
To all the Mufaddal Maula Lovers: Dai to ghaib nah jankar che...What happened? You make a "Shaitan" your Mazoon for 50 years and then claim Laanat on him because he is disputing a claim to the top spot...
Do you think that Imam Hussain didn`t knew about his shahadat..?? He was "Gaib na sahib".. Do you think SAW did not knew that a fight over authority would break out after he departs from world?? He was "Gaib na sahib".. Do you think Imam Hasan did not knew that he was poisoned..?? He was "Gaib na sahib".. Do you think that Syedi Abbas Alamdaar did not knew that he would be attacked from behind?? He was "Gaib na sahib"..

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Jamali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:36 pm

Lets for a moment look at the 2 people and their claims:

A. Muffadal Maula: One of Sayednas Son... How was Nass conferred to him? 52nd Dai was admitted to hospital. He had suffered a stroke. However a few hours later, he sits on the bed and calls a meeting and gives out Nass to his Son. Later it was declared public at Raudat Tahera. Video posted.

Lets analyse this:
1. Can a person get up immediately after a stroke? Maybe the Doctor can confirm this? I would love to meet this Doctor....
2. Who was present? The Muffadal Maula wasnt even present? When you planning to hand over leadership to your successor, dont you want to tell him in person or better still in front of your community where he is also present? Well Muffadal supporters will say it was done at Raudat Tahera..However watch that video closely...I dont see Burhanuddin Maula uttering anything audible...It is being repeated by others....Infact Moiz Bhaisaheb also pauses to try and catch what Maula is saying and there is a pause several times as the mike is thrust in Maulas face but later its others who speak what we assume Maula has said...There is considerable doubt here...True or Maybe not true???
3. Who were present at the Nass? Apart from Muffadals brothers, I dont see anyone else? An important event like this where Maula had the strength to get up and proclaim a successor but could not even call others like Mazoon and Mukasir or wait till he himself could speak out in public? Fishy???? I dont know. Again the basis of what all abdes claim:Her is ghaib Nah Jaankar che...A man of such stature could not see this coming? Its dividing his community and he allows it?????
4. Irony is that after confering Nass where he could obviously speak to do it, he hasnt been able to speak thereafter in any public event? Lets face it...nothing audible of any of his speeches is available. He has been moving but could he speak after the stroke????

B. Mazoon Maula:
1. A Mazoon for 50 years plus...Same ideology I use here...Ghaib nah Jaankar could not predict he would do this? Why let him be Mazoon if he would divide the community upon his death?
2. Mazoon is the second highest post. For the last 50 years or so you have respected this Man as he was after all appointed by the 52nd Dai. Unless your 52nd Dais action can be doubted (which I am sure ALL Maula lovers would disagree) how can you question his intentions now???
3. There have been evidence produced to back his claims; written and audio. Now he hasnt made these up or has he? Are those letters and signatures fake? Only Muffadal Maula can give us that answer...Whats his stand in this regard? All he has been heard saying is delete the messages, dont read them and do Laanat. If you are truly the chosen one, then come out to refute them. Again he is now Ghaib nah Jaankar, He has Mojizas at his disposal....The community needs them now.Substantiate your claims and your position; if not for the community but atleast for the 52nd Dais respect and his father?
4. If Mazoon Maula is not the true Dai, why are Muffadals own family leaving him? Why is the royal family splitting? Why are Bahus going away? Why are grandsons leaving their Grandfather? This is supposed to be a Royal Family....A learned and highly educated Islamic family who being leaders should set an example...Whats happening here?

Please tell me one instance Where our beloved Imam spent their lives in luxury? Look at the lifestyle of our Imam Ali and look at the lifestyle of our current Dai? Whats happening to our religion????

Nass as claimed in the Dawaat can be done in private. Once done it is unretractable.

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:47 pm

Jamali wrote:Interesting turn of events.
A man like Mazoon who has been under your fold for the last 50 years, who has prayed with you, taught you and followed your teachings suddenly becomes Shaitan? I mean seriously guys...someone who was one of you till date; suddenly becomes munafiqeen, shaitan, etc.?????????
When Al-Hurr ibn Yazid al Tamimi left yazid`s army to join Imam Hussain`s army and suddenly became RA.. Then why can`t someone who left dawat for his benefits become munafiqeen..

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Jamali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:53 pm

Gulam e ali: Imams knew that but they were doing it for the love of Allah...There is no comparision. That was their Mohabbat to the Almighty, which is the core basis of Islam. Islam Unites but does divide. It a religion of peace not Hatred and Laanat. Irony is that you see but you dont understand. Imam Hussein gave his life for Allah. He never did Sajda to Yazeed as he knew that Sajda was meant for only Allah. He sacrificed his life so that WE could understand the importance of Almighty Allah. NO ONE is above Almighty Allah. Not one Imam has lived a life of luxury. They have lived their lives in humbleness and sacrificed their lives for Allah. Shame on you to compare Imam's knowledge with that of the Dai!!!

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:55 pm

And all those who are claiming that why didnt Syedna Tahir Saifuddin RA or Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA mentioned Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS in any of their sermons, then let me clear it out.. My family has been serving dawat from like 80-90 years.. And my grandparents have seen that Mufaddal Maula was one of the most liked grandchild of Tahir Saifi maula.. That was one of the reason why he conferred the title of "Aali Qadar" upon him.. And we knew this even before nass was conferred upon him..

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by Jamali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:00 pm

Gulam e Ali:
When Al-Hurr ibn Yazid al Tamimi left yazid`s army to join Imam Hussain`s army and suddenly became RA.. Then why can`t someone who left dawat for his benefits become munafiqeen..

I have no words for your logic. Mazoon hasnt left Dawat. He still follows the same doctrines taught by the 52nd Dai. It was your Dai who chose him right? Until 3 days ago, you did your mishaq with his name? So based on your logic, you yourself cant differentiate what is right and what is wrong.

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:06 pm

jamali
I have not done anything that can bring shame upon me. I know what Imams did and why did they do it. This is the most important difference between your ideologies and my ideologies. I do believe that this is fatimi dawat that has its links with Imams. When I look into my Maula`s eyes, I find Imam Hussain. He has been my source of inspiration for years. I know that islam is the religion of peace. That is the reason why this time when mufaddal maula came to udaipur, it was peacefully conveyed to all about why should they join dawat. Nothing was forced on anyone. but what was the result? They said maula that he better accept their demands or else they would control all mosques that are in their hands??? Is this a fitting reply? Are there any demands in lieu of doing something good.?

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

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Unread post by ghulam-e-ali » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:16 pm

jamali
"Mazoon hasnt left Dawat. "
Yes he has. Nass was conferred upon Mufaddal Maula like 2 years back. He could have instantaneously revolted against the decision. But he kept quiet. Because he knew that if he would say anything now, Burhanuddin Maula would immediately discard his claim and then it wont be ever entertained. So he chose the best time to strike.
And yeah, In one of his so called philosophies he said that Sajdah must be done only to allah and the in other section of this website in a letter that he sent to Mukasir Sahab, he mentioned this specific event when Burahnuddin Maula asked his followers to do sajdah to mazoon and thus claiming it as a proof to his nass. am I supposed to be led by someone who is not clear in his own thoughts.