Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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trvoice
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by trvoice » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:56 pm

omg, how low they can go?

this is height of hypocrisy and lies :(

How low ? Well most people have no idea, but one can only imagine that any person who tries to monetize his fathers death has to be pretty low.

Bohra spring
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:31 am

But when one sees an evil incident what do we do , we fix it , not expect someone will do.

The so called SKQ supporters where are they when they see such nonsense.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Deerseye » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:51 am

Just heard, SKQ camp had organised a press conference today at hotel Oberoi, but suddenly the hotel authorities refused their services. Wonder why? All fishy.

zahir
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by zahir » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:53 am

nything syedna mufaddal tus does or say is purely meant for us dawoodi bohras his followers.why should any body from the munafiq group or kq group worry or react.?mind ur business u munafiq

zahir
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by zahir » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:54 am

dawat ye auj per he aur auj pe rahegi.

Sequence
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Sequence » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:44 am

zahir wrote:dawat ye auj per he aur auj pe rahegi.
muffy tumhari pocket khali karta hain, khali karta hi rahengaa :D
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Sequence » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:45 am

Deerseye wrote:Just heard, SKQ camp had organised a press conference today at hotel Oberoi, but suddenly the hotel authorities refused their services. Wonder why? All fishy.
how can they do this? I mean if SKQ is willing to pay expense then how can they stop it?

voice
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by voice » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:09 am

zahir wrote:nything syedna mufaddal tus does or say is purely meant for us dawoodi bohras his followers.why should any body from the munafiq group or kq group worry or react.?mind ur business u munafiq
Its a duty bound on every Mumin that they should do "amr bil maaroof (ordering for acknowledged virtues) and nahi anil munkar (forbidding what is wrong).

It is mentioned in Quran, "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah." (Sura 3-110)

In Hadees, Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported that the messenger (pbuh) of Allah said, "Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand; if he is unable to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is unable to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest form of Faith". (Reported in Sahih Muslim).

Imam Sadiq [a] said: "Woe to the people who do not support the religion of Allah by enjoining good and forbidding evil." (Mustadrak Al-Wasa'il-ush-Shi'ah, vol. 12, p. 181)

Now, just think on state of Dawoodi Bohra, do you feel that all those who want to reform the community because of this duty bound on every Mumin are doing some sin? Are they Munafiqs? Who are you to call them different from Dawoodi Bohra?

I am a Muslim and Dawoodi Bohra is its sect which represents my cultural identity of Islam by birth and I don`t need anyone to register or authenticate me to be a member of Dawoodi Bohra nor anyone has right to snatch this identity from me.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by asad » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:33 am

Breakaway Dawoodi Bohra leaders to have a conference on Tuesday

Supporters and children of Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the self-declared new Syedna of the million strong Dawoodi Bohra community will for the first time be addressing a press gathering. The interaction will take place at the Trident Hotel. As per the press release, Khuzaima's children "Dr. Abdeali Qutbuddin and Dr. Aziz Qutbuddin will be sharing their views / plans on the 53rd Dai ul-Mutlaq."

Soon after the demise of the Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, the 52nd Dai Ul Mutlaq of the community on January 17, there was a revolt of sorts in the community. Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the late leader's brother who until then was Mazoon, the second position to Dai, declared himself as the rightful successor. Burhanuddin, on the other hand had anointed his second son, Mufaddal Saifuddin as the new Syenda and 53rd Dai.

In a press statement after Burhanuddin's demise, the Khuzaima stated that the late Burhanuddin had performed the ceremony of succession on him in private as early as December 10, 1965.

The press statement alleged that "Mufaddal, his brothers and some other family members were took advantage of a severe debilitating stroke that had affected Syedna following his 100th birthday in London. They immediately and unilaterally made the untenable and false claim that Sydena Burhanuddin in that condition had appointed Mufaddal as his successor."

Over a month ago, dna had sent a questionnaire to Khuzaima wanting to know why the latter did not speak up or challenge the succession of Mufaddal in the presence of late Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin. In the response, while there was no direct response to the questions, a release stated "Syedna Qutbuddin in accordance with Syenda Burhanuddin's wishes, revealed that he was chosen successor immediately after Syedna Burhanuddin's sad demise."


http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-b ... ay-1968396

trvoice
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by trvoice » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:51 am

As time passes by and I really look back into history and all the puzzles pieces fit into the place perfectly. One of the things to seriously point out here is that, on most of the estate of "dawat hadiya" SKQ is somehow on that estate and his name is there. During the past 50 years there have been several altercations between YN/SMS gang and SKQ, And SMB being the sole decision maker into those estates specially saifee mahal (note that not even a brick could be moved without SMB's direct permission, he would personally be in charge of entire saifee mahal when it came to make any alteration or construction or demo) Why did SMB not remove his name from these estate he if he was to be cut out of the picture or not be the next Dai.
Why are burhani gang members sent to all these high value estates to secure them ? What does SMS gang have to fear if its already theirs to keep ? Why all the ziafat and money collecting frenzy when the whole dawat is yours to keep (presumably).

Truth-Prevails
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:51 pm

Just heard that SKQ's two sons were going to have a press conference at the Trident Mumbai, which was cancelled by the Oberoi Management and they had to move to another venue.

One Mr. Swami of Trident said that they got threats from several people and 20-30 bohra people came the hotel on Monday night and started shouting abuses at the Reception staff and they had to call the police. He also said that the Anjuman Shite-e-Ali secrretary called prior to that saying that if Trident allows the press conference then they will blacklist the hotel from all future room bookings specially in Moharram. All about Money..

This is basically Gunda Raj.. Sad day..

Akhtiar Wahid
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:15 pm

Truth-Prevails wrote:Just heard that SKQ's two sons were going to have a press conference at the Trident Mumbai, which was cancelled by the Oberoi Management and they had to move to another venue.

One Mr. Swami of Trident said that they got threats from several people and 20-30 bohra people came the hotel on Monday night and started shouting abuses at the Reception staff and they had to call the police. He also said that the Anjuman Shite-e-Ali secrretary called prior to that saying that if Trident allows the press conference then they will blacklist the hotel from all future room bookings specially in Moharram. All about Money..

This is basically Gunda Raj.. Sad day..
This says alot about the Moharam tamasha done every year, so these people have tie ups with a lot of hotels and if my guess is right they get paid commission for it, hence they make this venue their avenue, as you mentioned about being blacklisted, it clears out a lot of air on how money minded and strategically they play their game.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by way2go » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:24 pm

Truth-Prevails wrote:Just heard that SKQ's two sons were going to have a press conference at the Trident Mumbai, which was cancelled by the Oberoi Management and they had to move to another venue.

One Mr. Swami of Trident said that they got threats from several people and 20-30 bohra people came the hotel on Monday night and started shouting abuses at the Reception staff and they had to call the police. He also said that the Anjuman Shite-e-Ali secrretary called prior to that saying that if Trident allows the press conference then they will blacklist the hotel from all future room bookings specially in Moharram. All about Money..

This is basically Gunda Raj.. Sad day..
What a shame! By doing all the above our community has become quite a laughing stock! I used to be proud to call myself a Bohra once upon a time. Now I am thoroughly embarassed to call myself one after all the drama that's taken place...... Sad, really sad! :cry: :( :?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:27 pm

I guess the transition from white to saffron will soon be complete.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by alam » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:37 pm

Shiite Ali should let the press conference take place. They have nothing to be afraid of. By stopping the press conference they are only expanding evidence of their attempt to silence voices of dissent.

Another miss- step on their part.

Unwittingly, they are providing more and more evidence for SKQ claims.

Akhtiar Wahid
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:55 pm

I am sure behind the close doors of Saifee Mahal, they might be planning how to assassinate SKQ saheb, because he has become a deep hiccup for them, any steps he takes makes them hesitant and nervous, they want to remove this guilt for once and for all that they were the conspirators and want to manage the community the way they want.
IT IS REALLY SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS!
TRYING TIMES!
if something happens to SKQ SAHEB i am going to bash out and would not care about anyone, that would be enough to prove that he was the true successor.

fulan ibn fulan
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fulan ibn fulan » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:02 pm

you say he is a deep hiccup but what about the misaaq figures, which she his support being at a whoping 1000 people. Literally 1 thousandth of the community, hardly a hiccup lol

Truth-Prevails
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:15 pm

For those who want to hear and see the bayaan of Shahadat of Moulatena Fatema by SKQ when he was Mazoon.

http://fatemidawat.com/bayan/events/

A picture is a thousand words and this video of SKQ is worth a million. Syedna Burhanuddin RA has left us in good hands.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ARB » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:18 pm

fulan ibn fulan wrote:you say he is a deep hiccup but what about the misaaq figures, which she his support being at a whoping 1000 people. Literally 1 thousandth of the community, hardly a hiccup lol
Exactly what Yazid must have said. :mrgreen:

On the another note, i dont believe they can assassinate him so casually now. If KQ is killed, many on the fence will leave.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by DumbaJamaat » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:23 pm

Aliqadr Zindabaad ,Ghoonda Raaj Zindabad

Please repeat the above above lines 3 times

Akhtiar Wahid
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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:26 pm

if they can meet MODI, the butcher of muslimeens million times, he can do this also very easily!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:27 pm

DumbaJamaat wrote:Aliqadr Zindabaad ,Ghoonda Raaj Zindabad

Please repeat the above above lines 3 times
Maula Maula GOONDA maula :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by voice » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:43 pm

Truth-Prevails wrote:Just heard that SKQ's two sons were going to have a press conference at the Trident Mumbai, which was cancelled by the Oberoi Management and they had to move to another venue.

One Mr. Swami of Trident said that they got threats from several people and 20-30 bohra people came the hotel on Monday night and started shouting abuses at the Reception staff and they had to call the police. He also said that the Anjuman Shite-e-Ali secrretary called prior to that saying that if Trident allows the press conference then they will blacklist the hotel from all future room bookings specially in Moharram. All about Money..

This is basically Gunda Raj.. Sad day..
But to my knowledge press conference happened at bandra kurla complex at Regis Mumbai, today. All went well, alhamdolillah.

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qutbi bohra press conference

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Unread post by sakinaarwah » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:02 pm

did this happen yet, is there video

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-b ... ay-1968396
Supporters and children of Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the self-declared new Syedna of the million strong Dawoodi Bohra community will for the first time be addressing a press gathering. The interaction will take place at the Trident Hotel. As per the press release, Khuzaima's children "Dr. Abdeali Qutbuddin and Dr. Aziz Qutbuddin will be sharing their views / plans on the 53rd Dai ul-Mutlaq."

Truth-Prevails
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:03 pm

I heard that too. It seems they could not stop it. India is a democracy and a free country you cannot take away the fundamental rights of speech and expression.. Jai Hind.


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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:25 pm

It is just like the BJP goons ransacking AAP (Aam Aadmi Party) venues !! Muffy has learnt a lot from his friend Narendra Modi !

Sequence
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Re: qutbi bohra press conference

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Unread post by Sequence » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:21 pm

My comment to Rahul
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Unread post by Sequence » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:38 pm

Muffy has lost this battle big time, his fake smile is about to vanish.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:12 pm

SKQ's press conference has put the issue of succession and falsehood out there. Wide coverage. Now the Shehzadas will have to pray harder.. Wonder what the proofs will show that SKQ has.

Times of India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 863688.cms

DNA
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-c ... ge-1968682
and
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-d ... ts-1968673

Mumbai Mirror
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/othe ... 860901.cms