Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

[MMH]

Maybe Mkenya can confirm about the part that he deports people...

[Sequence]

What a pity nothing have been done against this hoax...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbi_Bohra
it is the 3rd result when you search "Syedna Qutbuddin" on google Actually, Jamea & co have succeed to segregate KQ followers into a new sect. Liar and no intellectual honesty.

it doesnt matters what bunch of jamiya zombie thinks or does, truth will dominate very soon.

[Fatema MN]

Burhanuddin Maula said 'Bhai Khuzema ne shayad ghalatfahmi thai hasay' ok i precisely remember these were the words by Maula Burhanuddin regarding that episode well dont you think these words are enough for a mazoon to admit his mistake in front of his Maula and bend his head for apologies dont you remember Syedi Khanjee Feer Maula who was a mazoon during the period of syedna Ismail Badruddin Maula a presented dawats account in an improper manner, although Maula said nothing but turned unhappily after that khanjee feer maula waited on the gate of daewrih mubarak throughout the night, in the morning when khidmatguzars told maula about khanjee feer maula accepted his appologies , therefore my friends what were you expecting from Burhanuddin maula to publicly disgrace his mazoon, only this little gesture was enough for wise people to understand maulas displeasure.

Moula used the word 'galatfaimi'(misunderstanding), not 'galti'(mistake). So where is the need to apologise? Besides, its between the Dai and his Mazoon, who are we to judge the mazoon? The bottomline is that Qutbuddin Moula was the Mazoon of Burhanuddin moula until his last breath.

[salaar]

glass is half filled or half empty you are seeing things your way and iam seeing it with my angle but one thing i must say these personalities holding rutba of dai and mazoon are not people like you and me, they do things in coordination never cross each other decisions i simply cannot digest when dai comments abt his mazoon ke ehnay ghalatfahmi thai hasay nopes sorry put your hand on your heart and ask yourself is it possible that a dai has to give a public statement that his mansoos was not capable of understanding the right thing

[ghulam muhammed]

put your hand on your heart and ask yourself is it possible that a dai has to give a public statement that his mansoos was not capable of understanding the right thing

OK, So for arguments sake lets presume that SKQ was wrong and the Dai didn't want to make it obvious as it was a question of casting aspersions on a Mazun BUT what about the Surat incident wherein SKQ was physically attacked by Kher and his goons ? Was Syedul Kher also holding some dawat na rutba due to which the Dai didn't reprimand him in public ? Oh, I forgot that he was the son of YN and saala of Muffy, a rutba which seems to be at par with Mazun and Mukasir !!

[Habeel]

Half glass, full or empty: This episode was very well handled diplomatically by Burhanuddin Maula (RA). Which raises a question Half glass full or empty?

[Akhtiar Wahid]

the successor problem is crystal clear, it is like history repeating itself, Umayyads were tyrannical and plotted and scammed a lot of people to obtain land and money under the banner of Islam, it is same with Muffadal Saab and his following family they are not spiritually connected to Allah (SWT) and Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and his progeny.
At the other end there is SKQ sahib who has his house for religious gathering, similarly how it used to be after the Zulm of Umayyads on Ahle Bait (AS), they needed to spread the real Deeni Ilm to people, so they use to accommodate anyone interested at any place.
For them Ilm mattered and not the materialistic possessions.

[salaar]

ghulam muhammed wrote OK, So for arguments sake lets presume that SKQ was wrong and the Dai didn't want to make it obvious as it was a question of casting aspersions on a Mazun BUT what about the Surat incident wherein SKQ was physically attacked by Kher and his goons ? Was Syedul Kher also holding some dawat na rutba due to which the Dai didn't reprimand him in public ? Oh, I forgot that he was the son of YN and saala of Muffy, a rutba which seems to be at par with Mazun and Mukasir !! bhai ghulam mohammad iam not at all talking in favour of syedul khair or for that instance any jamaat ghunda people like him and many others maybe working for their worldly gains, it is something between the dai and his mazoon and follow up incidents occurs like for that sake if mazoon sahib would be holding muscle power in surat he might had order his people to roast syed ul khair

[lionplayer]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
"لا علم كالتفكر"
“There is no knowledge as an (inciting) thought”
​I am not only amazed but also amused by extremely low category of allegations leveled against Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin tus by Qutbi group. With all the strangledimpetus gained from 50 years of feeble attempts to establish a parallel dawat, all that KQ has managed now is immature and baseless allegations that even a half prepared defendant can refute.
​Recently I came to know that KQ claims he is superior to Syedna Mufaddal tus in terms of knowledge acquired and imparted. I “thought” for a while – what exactly is knowledge? Without lengthening my reply with sentiments I would like to directly address the issue.
​There are numerous quotations in definition of knowledge but after a deep exploring“thought” I found a kalaam Mubarak of Maulana Ali AS that assertively serves the purpose.Maulana Ali AS, a repository of knowledge himself states – لا علم كالتفكر – “There is no knowledge as an (inciting) thought”. Therefore one logical perception quite evident from this kalaam mubarak is that however learned a person is, it is only the “thoughts” that he manifests in his deeds matter. “Thoughts” that are the end result of knowledge. Thus, knowledge is not incomprehensibly and indiscriminately memorizing whatever comes your way. Knowledge is the ability to generate “thoughts” that inspire and transform.
​Knowledge is not something you say and people hear. It is in fact something you speak and people comprehend, accept and respond to. Knowledge is not the quantity of whatone acquires. Knowledge is the quality of what one gives back. Knowledge is not the degrees, certificates and recognitions you earn. It is the impact of what you share and influence through your “thoughts”. Thus it is inferred from the kalaam mubarak that the knowledge of a person is judged by his “thoughts” that personify in his deeds. Let us illustrate some examples.
​How educated is a doctor? His treatments of patients indicate the quantum of his knowledge and the degrees he hold. Similarly, when a building is well designed and commissioned it speaks about the knowledge of its architect. A teacher’s knowledge is known from the academic and moral credits of students and not by the post given. Some may hold on to posts but may not justify its demands and expectations. Follow these examples and you can put through this framework every profession in this world.
​If we look back in the history of dawat, we shall find it replete with examples of“thoughts” that transformed lives. If Maulaya Raj QR can think and act accordingly and eventually pursue those who had gone astray to return then he has definitely embodied لا علم كالتفكر. Ironically Maulaya Raj QR was physically miles away from the Dai while LaeenJafer had the privilege of seeking knowledge directly from the Dai. What he acquired remained unutilized is another thing. Who in your opinion then applied knowledge through“thoughts”? Who inspired? Who transformed? Which knowledge motivated Ziyad Alaswadto walk all the way towards Imam AS? Apparently his only “thought” that it is imperative for a mumin to seek Imam’s forgiveness, come what may in doing so. What in your opinion morally compelled the old lady to haste for Imam Husain’s ziyarat even at the expense of 500 gold coins coupled with the laborious travel at such an old age? Verily, her only“thought” that should she be deprived of ziyarat if death reached her before, then her desire to supplicate at the tomb of Imam Husain AS would remain unfulfilled. It is quite convincing then, that if one has Maula and only Maula in his “thoughts” then he shall always take right decisions in trying times and on the contrary even if one acquires all the knowledge in this world without Maula in his “thoughts” he is bound to fall and trip as taufeeq will always elude him.
​Now let us talk about the stature of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS as “Aalim-e-Ahl-lil-Bait”. This I do and I believe that an ant can never judge Sulaiman, rather should only “enter her dwelling in fear of not being trampled by his marching troops”.
​Syedna Saifuddin TUS being the most revered companion of his father SyednaBurhanuddin RA, like him has touched many lives and turned them to gold. He has the ability of thinking aptly and decisively, beneficially and inspiringly because he is always mindful of his Maula Syedna Almuqaddas’ RA status and esteem. When SyednaAlmuqaddas RA resolutely lead the revival of Jame al Anwar, he was the first one to respond. When even menial working staff was hesitant to start the cleaning of its mehraab, he was the first one to undertake it. A “thought” might have come to him that if this work pleases my Dai then why not I be the first one to respond. Seeing his resolution, people around him followed. Just a few months back by the raza and dua mubarak of MuqaddasMaula RA, Syedna Saifuddin TUS expedited the uprooting of Qaat, an intoxicant herb in Yemen. Around a hundred thousand Qaat plants were uprooted in one month. Considering this task as almost impossible even the Yemeni government never undertook it. Due to this effort, which was relentlessly followed up since years many Yemeni mumeneen were significantly uplifted.
​It is a realistic aspiration of world leaders to provide food security to their people. In this regard, Bohra community has achieved a distinct identity. As per the desire and vision ofSyedna Almuaqaddas RA and Syedna Mufaddal’s TUS divinely endowed “thought” and guidance, Faiz-al-Mawaid-al-Burhaniyah came into existence. It is a community service that provides one time meal to every Bohra household in the world. Irrelevant of individual financial status, uniformly nutritious and hygienic food is rendered at the doorsteps. This concept is so unique that many political leaders have appreciated it. Let alone organizing and implementing it, you need a lion’s heart and an exemplary “thought” to even contemplate.
​Intoxicants such as alcohol and tobacco have shattered many a lives. To repel peoplefrom it one needs an impactful character. In Syedna Mufaddal’s TUS sermons and remediesmumeneen found a caring father and an affectionate mother. Due to his efforts which included seminars and door to door campaigns a number of necks to bottom submerged people have finally forsaken their habits. Pursuing people to do is one thing while prohibiting them is another. It is severely challenging. Therefore if there is a prominent discerning change in the community regarding this matter, their leadership has to be“thoughtful”.
​In this golden era every Ashara Mubaraka has been memorable. Like SyednaAlmuqaddas RA, Syedna Saifuddin TUS has transformed lives through this event. If it was not for the vast sea of knowledge and more importantly as Maulana Ali AS directs “thought”provoking ideas of Syedna Saifuddin TUS why do you think this event has seen large congregations? Why mumeneen flock to attend his waaz? Thematically imparted, everywaaz carried a message which mumeneen incorporated in their lives immediately.  So powerful has been the impact that its affect was seen throughout the year until next asharaarrived with a new theme. Tasbeeh-e-Fatema which is supposed to be done after everyfarizat namaz, sometimes sub consciously eluded our minds, not due to disregard but due to unintentional ignorance towards its spiritual reward. Syedna Mufaddal TUS redirected us towards this custom and now it is done with absolute reverence. Same is the case with Dua-e-Kaamil.
​One more instance of an exemplary “thought” put forward by Syedna Mufaddal TUS is when he with raza and dua mubarak of Syedna Almuqaddas RA reminded mumeneen of the importance of pehran and Jodi, traditional attire of namaz specially lailatul qadr. How obvious and eminent this custom is but still the tradition was not upheld diligently again not intentionally. As we tend to let go and ignore some very vital cultural matters, only a Dai and his true mansoos has the assistance of Allah Ta’ala and Imam uz Zaman AS to act as a mentor and guide. Upon his provocation we act and upon his stimulation we retract. Children imitate their parents and the closest we can imitate our Maula SyednaAlmuqaddas RA is by memorizing Quran e Majid. Yet another marvelous “thought” given by his mansoos Syedna Mufaddal TUS makes us realize the veneration of this amal. He asserts that one hafiz in every house would be the ultimate treasure for them. This “thought”carried such an enormous weight that mumeneen and especially children of madarisimaniyah have spontaneously responded.
​Moreover, Syedna Saifuddin TUS did not only address the issues pertaining to spirituality, customs and beliefs. He also benevolently shed light on mundane issues, hence catering to each and every aspect of a mumin’s life. He motivationally instructed to keep the surroundings clean and revive it with plantations. He also directed towards maintaining stringent personal hygiene. Such was his concern that he even pressed and underlined the significance of consuming honey and dates. This he did so upon a “thought” that may everymumin live a peaceful and healthy life, for a maula is always concerned about him. All these examples attribute to Syedna Mufaddal TUS being ‘Aalim-e-Ahl-il-Bait’ who with his beneficial to all “thoughts” has embodied the kalaam mubarak لا علم كالتفكر.
​On the contrary if we look at KQ and his contributions in dawat which are not surprisingly zero to one on a scale of ten, we find stark contrast between him and SyednaMufaddal TUS. Apart from when he gained sketchy and shallow fame, he never did anything solely for Dai and dawat. Actually he was never there and that is why taufeeqalways evaded him and he never “thought” aptly and took right decisions. Avoiding seekingeven a glimpse of Syedna Almuqaddas’ RA janaza mubaraka in his last journey and seeking a sujni upon being appointed mazoon (special seating arrangement that mark the protocol of only a Dai and his mansoos) are just two covers of a book he well wrote in self appraisal, vanity and insensibleness! On being a mazoon he did not optimize his options in the khidmat of Dai nor did he grab the oppurtunities given to him. What knowledge did he implement and what thoughts did he manifest?
​If you look at the credentials of knowledge claimed by him, they only constitute to self projection. What about the impact he should have had with that kind of knowledge?What about the positive inspiration and influence he had, if he ever had? He claims and I quote – “He went to Wilson and xaviers college … , speaks fluently, learnt most of his deeniknowledge from his father Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA who gave him special time in private, most powerful orator, can deliver waaz without referring to scripts, has amazing memory, is open to new discoveries and knowledge”. My only question now, keeping in mind thekalaam mubarak  لا علم كالتفكر is why did his so called credentials of knowledge not aid him in generating sound “thoughts”? Comparing to the khidmat rendered and tasks undertaken by Syedna Mufaddal TUS, what credits can he boast of? Why there is not a single prominent khidmat done by him that no one can deny? How close had he broughtmumeneen to Syedna Almuqaddas RA?
​Where did his knowledge vanish when mumeneen used to be deprived of ziyarat atraudat tahera because “Syedi Mazoon Saheb” had shut the doors. Courtesy to his unnecessary prolonging impost of supplication many mumeneen literally wept for not being able to do ziyarat. Did he not “think” once if not twice that even Syedna Almuqaddas RA who he claims to be his Naas used to swiftly complete ziyarat even on urus nights so as tomumeneen do not remain mehroom.
​Did not a legitimate “thought” evade him when he missed Al-Multaqa-Al-Fatemi-Al-Ilmi at surat which is considered a turning point in the era of Syedna Almuqaddas RA. Did he not engage in irrelevant acts? Did he not mistime his moves? Africa issue in 1409H was a total mess! If he was an “Aalim” then why appropriate “thoughts” escaped his mind?
​How elegantly has he used his oration skills to describe the shanaat of SyednaAlmuqaddas RA? Why did he purposely overlook magrib namaz time for the whole of his life? Why did he not used to recite Imam Husain’s shahadat on Ashura before the day ended? Why did he avoid Jamea? Why did he not “think” suitably, legitimately, appropriately and more importantly according to the wish of Syedna Almuqaddas? Are gaining of certificates and recognitions, speaking fluently and offhand, having a sharp memory the only signs of knowledge? Is there no place for the skill and capability of“thinking” wisely and applying your knowledge? After all “there is no knowledge as an (inciting) thought”.
​Summing up the article I only have one last thing to say. All these years while KQ was busy memorizing, Syedna Mufaddal TUS created memories and continues to do so and that is what matters. May Allah grant the “Aalim-e-Ahl-lil-Bait” a long and prosperous life in perpetual health till the day of judgement. Ameen.

[lionplayer]

Kya bakwas aur faltu msgs whtsap mein aa rahe hai

[confused_mumin]

lion player

Can u please post some of them here or PM me..

[salaar]

bhai lionplayer really appreciated your post and point of view although on this forum there are very few who would acknowledge your perspective however this world is not yet deprived with the spirit of HUR.

[SBM]

bhai lionplayer really appreciated your post and point of view although on this forum there are very few who would acknowledge your perspective however this world is not yet deprived with the spirit of HUR.

You are right, Many of HURS will be coming out of YAZID;s army soon Inshallaha

[Habeel]

Bhai lionplayer,
Very well written article. Of course, “what’s your thoughts are, you become”. Thought can create invention, revolution, success, failure, peace, war, construction and destruction and etc... Here Intention is the key. With a thought of freedom, Gandhi led the movement which brought the independence, with the intention of being conqueror of world Sikandar has won so many countries. Working as a team with same goal, strategy, planning and implementation is the formula to achieve great success.

Here at this moment, question to me is not about achievement and intentions but about the TRUTH. Within the belief system you can prove anything, it’s really challenging to come out of comfort zone and view the facts as is.

With the belief system, it can be proved even with the proof of poor medical condition, maula burhanuddin (ra) declared nass in clear voice because he is not an ordinary person. With the same belief, mazun sahib is taking quran in his hand and taking oath that he was declared next dai by maula burhanuddin(ra) don’t you know how high was his rutba and 50 years of trust. Now who is true?
The parameters drives the individual decisions are: belief, society, leader’s personality and enrollment skills, obligations, comfort and safety, environment and justice. I am not against any belief but I have confusion so my point is to see the event as is and clearly with open mind and to check arguments (daleel) of both side and whatever belief to be adapted, it should be with conviction (yaqeen).

[salaar]

yes SBM you dont have the remotest idea of the feeling when one is destined to jump out of the ranks and face a certain death for a cause, its not always the victory that pleases your heart but for that you are required to have a live conscious to understand the difference between haq and baatil which is not a quality to be found commonly.

[SBM]

^
Salar I suppose my post went over your head and you missed the entire reference or may be you did not want to

[shabbir4u]

I have questions for who follow KQ
How many times namaz you guys have pray with him.
How many times you guys attend his waaz.
How many times yous guys attend this salgira.
how many times you have attend his sabak.

Is your attendances is 100% with him?

I Have my personal view.last 10 yrs i did not attend his waaz because I cannot understand him. That does not that I dont respect him but cannot understand what he says. Good talk means good communication,its means understanding.

I bet in this form most of people have not attend a single of his waaz bit still backing him up. just because every one of reformist group is backing him up.

Thanks

[disillusioned]

I have questions for who follow KQ
How many times namaz you guys have pray with him.
How many times you guys attend his waaz.
How many times yous guys attend this salgira.
how many times you have attend his sabak.

Is your attendances is 100% with him?

I Have my personal view.last 10 yrs i did not attend his waaz because I cannot understand him. That does not that I dont respect him but cannot understand what he says. Good talk means good communication,its means understanding.

I bet in this form most of people have not attend a single of his waaz bit still backing him up. just because every one of reformist group is backing him up.

Thanks

No one could understand Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) either during the 2 years preceding his demise. Did people abandon him because of his lack of clarity in speech?

[shabbir4u]

I have questions for who follow KQ
How many times namaz you guys have pray with him.
How many times you guys attend his waaz.
How many times yous guys attend this salgira.
how many times you have attend his sabak.

Is your attendances is 100% with him?

I Have my personal view.last 10 yrs i did not attend his waaz because I cannot understand him. That does not that I dont respect him but cannot understand what he says. Good talk means good communication,its means understanding.

I bet in this form most of people have not attend a single of his waaz bit still backing him up. just because every one of reformist group is backing him up.

Thanks

No one could understand Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) either during the 2 years preceding his demise. Did people abandon him because of his lack of clarity in speech?

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) LAST 2 Yrs maula gave raaz To Sydena Muffadal Maula to do waaz.You must be attending KQ Waaz that why cannot understand.

[ARB]

When SKQ starts to sell a different drink, surely you can't just give up on this opportunity? Maybe its the same old poison, but you would never know for sure until you try it.

This is a choice only free minds can make. For captives there is no choice. There is only compulsion.

[SKQ Fan]

I have questions for who follow KQ
How many times namaz you guys have pray with him.
How many times you guys attend his waaz.
How many times yous guys attend this salgira.
how many times you have attend his sabak.

Is your attendances is 100% with him?

I Have my personal view.last 10 yrs i did not attend his waaz because I cannot understand him. That does not that I dont respect him but cannot understand what he says. Good talk means good communication,its means understanding.

I bet in this form most of people have not attend a single of his waaz bit still backing him up. just because every one of reformist group is backing him up.

Thanks

To answer your quesiton, yes I have attended many many Waez of Sayedna Qutbuddin ,anad prayed many time in in his imamat so don;t generalize. If you could not understand his waez, I pity you, you are so unfortunate , you missed gaining invlauable insights into our deen , Maybe you are accustomed to Muffadal Bhaissaheb's waez which do not convey anything of siginificance other than his fanatical vision of our Deen, For your information the reformsit group here are backing Sayedna Qutbuddin because they see some ray of hope in his vison of leading our community out of the darkness, and jahalat Muffadal Bhaisaheb is leading them into .

[shabbir4u]

I have questions for who follow KQ
How many times namaz you guys have pray with him.
How many times you guys attend his waaz.
How many times yous guys attend this salgira.
how many times you have attend his sabak.

Is your attendances is 100% with him?

I Have my personal view.last 10 yrs i did not attend his waaz because I cannot understand him. That does not that I dont respect him but cannot understand what he says. Good talk means good communication,its means understanding.

I bet in this form most of people have not attend a single of his waaz bit still backing him up. just because every one of reformist group is backing him up.

Thanks

To answer your quesiton, yes I have attended many many Waez of Sayedna Qutbuddin ,anad prayed many time in in his imamat so don;t generalize. If you could not understand his waez, I pity you, you are so unfortunate , you missed gaining invlauable insights into our deen , Maybe you are accustomed to Muffadal Bhaissaheb's waez which do not convey anything of siginificance other than his fanatical vision of our Deen, For your information the reformsit group here are backing Sayedna Qutbuddin because they see some ray of hope in his vison of leading our community out of the darkness, and jahalat Muffadal Bhaisaheb is leading them into .

before reformsit they dont like Khozemabhai saheb now they liking him.
how about if they where NO NASS DRAMA WOULD reformist still join khozemabhai saheb fold? do you think they will accept him as Dai? No They just useing each another.

[monginis]

Bombay

Khuzema Bhaisaheb, care Eejbeyt, Karachi, Bombay

Hearty congratulations on happy occasion of Bazat Tahera first birthday. Wish her long happy life under Huzuraala’s benign shadow. Pray God grants us qurrat-ul-ain in her. Had much desired to participate but owing important matters here could not do.

Burhanuddin
http://fatemidawat.com/bayan/nazaraat/

[salaar]

DAI KE DUSHMANO GHOUR SE ABB SUNO RAAH SEEDHI CHALO AQAL SE KAAM LO.........................AAJ TAK AISA REHBAR NA TUM LAA SAKAY IK UMAR HO GAI DHONDTAY DHONDTAY

[Akhtiar Wahid]

DAI KE DUSHMANO GHOUR SE ABB SUNO RAAH SEEDHI CHALO AQAL SE KAAM LO.........................AAJ TAK AISA REHBAR NA TUM LAA SAKAY IK UMAR HO GAI DHONDTAY DHONDTAY

oooooooh.....I am so scared....oooooooh!

[salaar]

you dont have to be scared now you still have time to enjoy your group has been given the liberty to enjoy in this world !

[SBM]

.AAJ TAK AISA REHBAR NA TUM LAA SAKAY IK UMAR HO GAI DHONDTAY DHONDTAY

Hitler or Mussolini key barey mein log aaisa hi kuch kehtey they.

[salaar]

here i see hitler in the form of a new emerging and self proclaimed leader

[SBM]

here i see hitler in the form of a new emerging and self proclaimed leader

I hope you are not talking about Muffadal Moula..or Shezada Qaid Joher or Shezada Malek Ul Ashter..

[salaar]

you are correct iam referring to somebody else