Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Mazakyo » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:47 pm

true_bohra wrote:ohh u wanna see that video...go to http://www.believesyednaqutbuddin.com

the video is there...dont forget to hear what Maula says at 26:51

Yaar True_Bohra tu keh raha hai tu maan lete hain leikn 26:51 par tu aik bhi lafz naheen samajh aa raha.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by answerer » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:51 am

*.Dr. Daniel Mankens, chairman of Neurology Beaumont Hospital, Michigan; USA. (The name is most likely misspelt, as Google correction suggests “Dr Daniel Menkes”).

*.Dr. James M Gebel, Chairman of Neurology, Akron Medical Centre, Ohio; USA.

These experts are currently practicing in Michigan and Ohio, USA (in close proximity to where Tahera, Taher, and Taiyeba live). It isclear that neither of them were treating Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA as he was in London and they were 4,000 miles away in the U.S.
Their comments are most likely based on reports given to them by the Qutbuddins. In brief, they have claimed that after suffering a debilitating stroke,medically, Syedna Burhanuddin RA could not have spoken coherently and performed nass, nor could he have drunk the sherbet that was presented to him in the hospital.
I am not a doctor, but common sense tells me that although the field of medicine has advanced in the last several years it is far from diagnosing every medical situation universally. It is common practice that doctors are able to diagnose certain patients based on tests and results provided by other doctors, but in complicated matters, the creme of doctors would hesitate to pass any judgements unless they have physically examined the patient. How then is it possible for a doctor to pass comments on a patient he hasn’t seen or examined, let alone witness his spirituality (if indeed the Qutbuddins accept Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin asa spiritual personality). How can anyone in the right mind blindly accept these statements or any reputable newspaper report them without any actual verification? I do not doubt the expertise of these doctors sought out by the Qutbuddin family. I only wish to highlight that the doctors might not have been aware of the importance of the incident they were commenting on or the age-old traditions and customs surrounding it. These doctors have only commented based on the material presented to them by those who have approached them from the Qutbuddin family and their supporters.As a Dawoodi Bohra and practicing member of the faith, I wonder on how informed the doctors were of the history of Dawat and the importance of nass. Their experience with Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA was next to none and I am not aware of their understanding of basic Dawoodi Bohra customs (like the consumption of sherbet). No matter how advanced their comprehension may be in medicine, understandably,they would surely be less knowledgeable when it comes to these religious matters. Firstly, these respected doctors would not be aware of the importance of nass. According to Dawoodi Bohra theology, belief, and practice it is the greatest and most important task charged upon every Nabi, Imam and Dai.
Only once nass is performed may each saheb ‘rest in peace.’ It is a tenet of our faith. The Duat Mutlaqeen swore to the Imam that no Dai would leave this world without passing on theamanatof nass to hismansoos. For the salvation and najaat of mumineen. Come what may, each Imam has appointed their mansoos.

Rasulullah SAW declared Moulana Ali AS hismansooseven though it meant that it would endanger his life.Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA has stated that the 49th Dai declared his nass on Syedna Abdullah BadruddinRA, at a time of illness when no other (ordinary) man could speak coherently.The nass has, was, and will be always declared ‘as if life depended on it’. For indeed, life does depend on it. All our lives.Secondly, I am unsure that these respected doctors have not been shown thevideonor images of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RAin Raudat Tahera on the 19th of Rajab 1432H, only a mere two weeks after this stroke. I wonder why no one chose to comment on this. The Fatemi Dawat website has alleged that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, due to his stroke, was not medically fit to pronounce nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS that day. I wonder why the Qutbuddins didn’t ask the doctors tocomment on the events which took place this day? The actions of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RAthat day are not that of an ordinary person who had suffered a stroke. After a flight from London to Mumbai, we witnessed Syedna al Muqaddas RA enter Raudat Tahera on apalkhiand givesalaamito mumineen exactly like he always would.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:18 am

^ writting long page bull shiit wont make it true, yes medical has advanced so can you tell me why there is no picture or video of hospital room where all this happened?

a hindu man was interviewed in masjid to talk about his dream, but no british doctor was asked to come and declare incident of London?

how do you know SMB was perfectly fine when he was in Mumbai? as far as I know he had lost control on his senses and he was waving his hand randomly after his stroke.

even when he came to gujarat after his stroke his hands action were random on stage, he had lost control on his jaws, and was not able to move at all.

all these three years syedna Mohammed burhanuddin was dragged all over the places by Muffy for his own interests, just to show world that SMB is okay and everything is happening with his consent.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:49 am

If SMB recovered from the stroke to pronounce “Nass” be it london or mumbai … SMB’s health should have been positive thereafter, now as the spirirtuality of SMB is claimed with being mojiza na saheb, which abdes can see selectively. Why did not SMB recover fully ?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:00 am

It is interesting how SMS is now making fun and questioning the Western Medical Experts while they always took SMB to Germany and London for treatment. How can a doctor treat a patients once a year, If SMB was treated once a year then why can not an expert give an opinion--- that is why they are called EXPERTS

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:49 pm

If the expert opinion of leading medical fraternities were the opposite then SMS and camp would have mentioned that in any and every possible akhbars, vayez, bayans and even sent bulk text messages to Bohras. The 'Experts' would have been invited to Saifee Mahal, had expensive shawls draped around them, had an extensive media coverage and probably given them Shiekhpanu !! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Concept of Dawat

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Unread post by monginis » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:48 pm

رَّبَّنَا إِنَّنَا سَمِعْنَا مُنَادِيًا يُنَادِي لِلْإِيمَانِ أَنْ آمِنُوا بِرَبِّكُمْ فَآمَنَّا رَبَّنَا فَاغْفِرْ لَنَا ذُنُوبَنَا وَكَفِّرْ عَنَّا سَيِّئَاتِنَا وَتَوَفَّنَا مَعَ الْأَبْرَارِ
(Surat Aali Imraan: 193)

Da‘wat is the eternal mission of Allah Ta’ala. Da‘wat has been there from the day Creation came in to being. Da‘wat literally means an invitation or call. In the context of Da‘wat ul Haqq, it is the call to Allah Ta’ala, a call to the True faith.
In every day and age an Imam establishes Allah’s Da‘wat on earth. During the Imam’s seclusion it is the duty of the Dai to call to the True faith. It for this reason a Dai is called a Dai – Dai literally means one who calls or one who does Da‘wat. As the Quranic Ayat quoted above, the believers say ‘Rabbana, O lord, we heard the call of the one who calls to imaan of Allah Ta’ala and we heeded his call’.
The Dai in our day and age is calling to the Da’wat al-Haqq. Calling all, near and far. It is upto us to answer his call. It is by answering the Dai of the Imam that we can hope that the prayer that follows will be answered ‘Rabbana, O lord, forgive us our sins, absolve our evil deeds, and take us (in death) with those who are pious’.
The Dai of our age is Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the 53rd Dai of Imam Tayyib and the successor of the 52nd Dai Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin. The Dai of the Imam calls to the True faith and gives guidance. While others call to slander, oppression and compulsion, the true Dai calls to Imaan, compassion and with wise counsel. The Quran Majeed commands Rasulullah to call to the path of God with wisdom and wise counsel.

اُدْعُ اِلى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالحِكْمَةِ وَالمَوْعِظَةِ الحَسَنَةِ
(Surat al-Nahl: 125)

Syedna Taher Saifuddin stated that the Dai has two duties: 1) to establish the Da’wat and 2) to do do’a for mumineen.
Syedna Qutbuddin is establishing the Imam’s Da’wat and is doing do’a for mumineen day and night.
The Dai of the Imam is calling us to Imaan for the sake of najaat and jannat.


May Allah Ta’ala give us and all our brothers and sisters the tawfeeq to heed his call and accept his Da’wat; for the sake of God’s rehmat and for the sake of our najaat and salvation.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:59 pm

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:23 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:If the expert opinion of leading medical fraternities were the opposite then SMS and camp would have mentioned that in any and every possible akhbars, vayez, bayans and even sent bulk text messages to Bohras. The 'Experts' would have been invited to Saifee Mahal, had expensive shawls draped around them, had an extensive media coverage and probably given them Shiekhpanu !! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Very true :mrgreen:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by answerer » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:40 am

monginis wrote:^ writting long page bull shiit wont make it true, yes medical has advanced so can you tell me why there is no picture or video of hospital room where all this happened?

a hindu man was interviewed in masjid to talk about his dream, but no british doctor was asked to come and declare incident of London?

how do you know SMB was perfectly fine when he was in Mumbai? as far as I know he had lost control on his senses and he was waving his hand randomly after his stroke.

even when he came to gujarat after his stroke his hands action were random on stage, he had lost control on his jaws, and was not able to move at all.

all these three years syedna Mohammed burhanuddin was dragged all over the places by Muffy for his own interests, just to show world that SMB is okay and everything is happening with his consent.
First of all
you all evrywhere says KQ were mazoon for fifty years and you accept him as dai .so please ..try to respect atlest Who made him mazoon ! you calling out SMB
ohhhhh . actually I forgetd that your dai Dont have mohobbat of syedna Mohommad Burhanuddin moula so how can I expect from you .syedna Mohommad Burhanuddin moula no naam lau cho ..k hamara dai KQ aa shan na dai na mazoon hata toh ee jhuto dawo kem karse !! its actually lyk dat ... KQ wants shoulder to fire the bullet ..nthng else ..

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by MMH » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:56 am

answerer wrote:
monginis wrote:^ writting long page bull shiit wont make it true, yes medical has advanced so can you tell me why there is no picture or video of hospital room where all this happened?

a hindu man was interviewed in masjid to talk about his dream, but no british doctor was asked to come and declare incident of London?

how do you know SMB was perfectly fine when he was in Mumbai? as far as I know he had lost control on his senses and he was waving his hand randomly after his stroke.

even when he came to gujarat after his stroke his hands action were random on stage, he had lost control on his jaws, and was not able to move at all.

all these three years syedna Mohammed burhanuddin was dragged all over the places by Muffy for his own interests, just to show world that SMB is okay and everything is happening with his consent.
First of all
you all evrywhere says KQ were mazoon for fifty years and you accept him as dai .so please ..try to respect atlest Who made him mazoon ! you calling out SMB
ohhhhh . actually I forgetd that your dai Dont have mohobbat of syedna Mohommad Burhanuddin moula so how can I expect from you .syedna Mohommad Burhanuddin moula no naam lau cho ..k hamara dai KQ aa shan na dai na mazoon hata toh ee jhuto dawo kem karse !! its actually lyk dat ... KQ wants shoulder to fire the bullet ..nthng else ..

What made you think SKQ doesnt have mohabbat for Moula Mohammed Burhanuddin? When he was with to moula Mohammed Burhanudding doing salaam, or givign a speech, or making any action all I can feel is immense reverence, love and utmost devotion. Answerer, dont go by the gossip you hear around you and follow what your eyes see. Look at SKQ's veneration for Mohammed Burhanuddin Moula and dont go by the Chinese Whispers!!!

And yes, love and respect for Mohammed Burhanuddin Moula will always be there in our hearts and that has nothing to do with our belief in who are 53rd dai is. Please dont connect things that have nothing to do with each other. Your reasoning is baseless!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by answerer » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:12 am

actually I know brother how you all repsects syedna Mohommad Burhanuddin
ok show me where is the mohobbat in this

Abdeali Qutbuddin, who in his Ph.D. thesis ‘The Principles of Finance in Fatimi Tayyibi Law’ writes (pg. 5):“Combined with the distorted perception of Fatimi Tayyibi financial principles among membersof the Dawoodi Bohra Community today these developments have resulted in a distorted implementation of Fatimi Tayyibi financial principles which has damaged the Community financially,economically and socially”(my emphasis).The dissertation was submitted in 2003, 38 years into the reign of al-Hayy al-Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.It is blatantly apparent that he considers Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin’s perception and implementation of Fatemi fiqh (jurisprudence) as distorted. He even has the audacity to state that Syedna’s actions have damaged the community.

has he forgotten the verse of Syedna Moiyadh al-Shiraazi RA ‘TheImam’s intention is the betterment of humankind, one cannot even contemplate the notion that anyone apart from him harbours such intentions’?Perhaps Badat Taherah could help him remember.If Abdeali believed that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin was Imam al-Zaman’s Dai Mutlaq then he should have argued how Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin correctly applied the principles of Fatemi fiqhand raised the financial, economic and social standards of Mumineen to unprecedented heights. However, his choice of words reveals how he and his family truly saw our beloved 52nd Dai Mutlaq.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by MMH » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:28 am

Answerer, I am not your brother.....

We were talking about the mohabbat of the people on this forum...where the heck have you put in stuff about abdeali qutbuddin from? You were challenging that the people supporting SKQ do not have mohabbat for Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin....Anyways, where did you get the information from that 'He even has the audacity to state that Syedna’s actions have damaged the community' Chinese Whispers again! Please provide your source of information to give solid ground to your argument.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:27 pm

how come a person who has no muhabbat for DAI was kept for second best position of dawat mazoon for 50 years?

this exposes blatant lie of MS PR.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:12 am

1. Khuzema Qutbuddin Bhaisaab Mazun's eldest daughter Safia bensaheba was married to Sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin but ultimately divorced after some time.

2. Khuzema Qutbuddin Bhaisaab Mazun's another daughter Taiyyaba bensaheba is married to the Sayedna Mohamed Burhanuddin’s son Qusai Bhaisaheeb (she is the 2nd wife).

3. Khuzema Qutbuddin Bhaisaab Mazun's another daughter is married to Sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin 'S son Taha Bhaisaheb.

Now this makes Mazun...... the Father-in-law as well as the sambandhi of Sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin as well the sambandhi of the Sayedna Mohamed Burhanuddin. This also makes Safia Bensaheba…… the Mother-in-law of her own sister and Taiyyaba Bensaheba becomes her own sister's kaki sasu (aunty) and Sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin's devrani. Sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin's Sister-in-law (Saali) is thus married to his own son so Sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin is her Jijaji as well as Sasraji.
Kothar aka SMS camp can be stupid or vicious ! SKQ held mazoon position ! appointed by 51st and 52nd Dai, families inter-married, all this for the man who supposedly hated 52nd Dai ! in any case kothar looses the argument, either SKQ is wrong ! or 51st & 52nd Dai ( the infallibles) are wrong !!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by voice » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:36 pm

Truth-Prevails wrote:The first of many restraining orders. Alhamdolillah.

PRESS RELEASE: 16 April 2014. Filing of Writ Petitions in the Gujarat High Court by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq and Head of the Dawoodi Bohra Community Alleging Violation of the Principles of Natural Justice by Several Authorities who have Without Due Process Passed Orders Entering Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s Name As Sole Trustee of Numerous Trusts And Wakfs. Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Honourable Gujarat High Court on 16/4/2014.

Mumbai, 16th April 2014

His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, has, in furtherance of his assertion of being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, which is based on truth (Haqq) and principle, filed eight Writ Petitions before the Gujarat High Court being Special Civil Application Nos. 5478 to 5485 of 2014, that allege a large scale violation of the principles of natural justice on the part of several Assistant Charity Commissioners and the Gujarat Wakf Board who have without giving a hearing and without issuing notices to him passed orders permitting Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name to be entered as sole trustee of numerous public trusts believed to be exceeding 75 and wakfs exceeding 250 in number.

The Writ Petitions filed in the Gujarat High Court state that soon after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq His Holiness Syedna Mohammed BurhanuddinRA on the 17th of January 2014, the Wakf Board passed an order entering Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name on January 23, 2014 and that too within just 2 days of an application having been filed. One day after the Wakf Board passed the order, Abdul Qadir Nooruddin, the son in law of Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, signed more than about 150 Change Reports which came to be filed in the offices of Assistant Charity Commissioners in about 20 districts on or about January 27, 2014, only 10 days after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai RA.

In Mehsana and Patan, orders have been passed by Assistant Charity Commissioners in 48 hours, in Amreli and Jamnagar within about 15-17 days of Change Reports having been filed and with a similar haste in other places. Such orders have also been passed in Gandhinagar, Bhavnagar, Junagadh, Rajkot, Dahod, Godhra and Valsad. The Hon’ble High Court has been urged to look into this gross large scale violation of the principles of natural justice and the passing of orders at such a haste without following due process by these authorities. The orders have been passed without making any inquiry and without giving any reasons.

The matter was listed for hearing today (16th April 2014) and the Hon’ble High Court of Gujarat has passed an ad-interim order restraining Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, his agents and his servants from alienating, selling, transferring or dealing with in any manner the assets and properties of about 75 public trusts and 261 wakfs till the next returnable date. Order passed in Special Civil Application No. 5478 of 2014 is reproduced herein below:

“Notice returnable on 25.04.2014. Ad-interim relief in terms of paragraph no. 28(C)(ii) is granted till then. Direct service is permitted.”

His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS filed a declaratory suit in the Mumbai High Court on [29th March 2014] against Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin seeking reliefs that the Honourable Court declare him to be the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, and to restrain Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin from in any manner holding himself out as or doing any acts, deeds or things as the Dai al-Mutlaq of the Dawoodi Bohra Community. The ad-Interim application in this suit is scheduled to be heard on the 29th April 2014. This suit was filed after repeated attempts to resolve this matter internally, including by an invitation to debate this matter and establish his rightful claim based on nass conferred on him on [10th December 1965] by His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA, the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq, following the guidance of His Holiness Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, the 51st Dai al-Mutlaq. All the attempts made by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, have been ignored and rebuffed by Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, who has made several false and contradictory claims as to how nass was performed on him.

Having faithfully served the Community with complete love, faith and respect for His Holiness Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA and His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA, His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS willcontinue on the true path (Siratul Mustakeem) of a spiritual and moral life that leads to salvation (Najaat) in the Hereafter (Aakherat) and to encourage the members of the community to scale heights of religious and temporal knowledge and education, to encourage the pursuit of excellence in various fields of business and professional services, and to lead a life of excellence in all fields.

To ensure that the path set by the previous Dai al-Mutlaqs is followed, and the Community is not torn asunder by false claimants, and having full faith in the Indian Judiciary, His Holiness has approached the Honourable Courts for appropriate remedies.

His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS believes that these recent developments are of paramount importance for the Dawoodi Bohra Community for generations to come and unless resolved completely, can also have adverse implications on the sacrosanct notions of religious freedom, rights for women and communal harmony of our great Nation.


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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:00 pm

voice wrote:The Writ Petitions filed in the Gujarat High Court state that soon after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq His Holiness Syedna Mohammed BurhanuddinRA on the 17th of January 2014, the Wakf Board passed an order entering Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name on January 23, 2014 and that too within just 2 days of an application having been filed. One day after the Wakf Board passed the order, Abdul Qadir Nooruddin, the son in law of Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, signed more than about 150 Change Reports which came to be filed in the offices of Assistant Charity Commissioners in about 20 districts on or about January 27, 2014, only 10 days after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai RA.
voice wrote:In Mehsana and Patan, orders have been passed by Assistant Charity Commissioners in 48 hours, in Amreli and Jamnagar within about 15-17 days of Change Reports having been filed and with a similar haste in other places.
voice wrote:The Hon’ble High Court has been urged to look into this gross large scale violation of the principles of natural justice and the passing of orders at such a haste without following due process by these authorities. The orders have been passed without making any inquiry and without giving any reasons.
Abdes blame SKQ for his hasty actions but what about Muffy ?? If he is on Haq then why such undue haste ?? This clearly shows that "Muffy ki daal me zaroor kuch kaala hai" !!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Fatema MN » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:04 pm

It is no longer just 'daal me kuch kala hai', but 'poori daal hi kaali hai' !

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:28 am

Well SMS camp was pro-actively ready and there fore a publicity campaign with non bohra power holders from politics and muslim waqf board ! babaramdev is put in to make it secular !

Turning point would be when, if SMS looses but still has a large following, will be able to build his empire again. And it will be a money-jihad for fat rich abdes ! poor will be mere audience to show crowd. Infact they will be pushed back as 2nd class citizens. While rich abdes with or without knowledge will be given high ranks…

Kothar is going to turn more and more ugly and oppressive.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:36 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
voice wrote:The Writ Petitions filed in the Gujarat High Court state that soon after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq His Holiness Syedna Mohammed BurhanuddinRA on the 17th of January 2014, the Wakf Board passed an order entering Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name on January 23, 2014 and that too within just 2 days of an application having been filed. One day after the Wakf Board passed the order, Abdul Qadir Nooruddin, the son in law of Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, signed more than about 150 Change Reports which came to be filed in the offices of Assistant Charity Commissioners in about 20 districts on or about January 27, 2014, only 10 days after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai RA.
voice wrote:In Mehsana and Patan, orders have been passed by Assistant Charity Commissioners in 48 hours, in Amreli and Jamnagar within about 15-17 days of Change Reports having been filed and with a similar haste in other places.
voice wrote:The Hon’ble High Court has been urged to look into this gross large scale violation of the principles of natural justice and the passing of orders at such a haste without following due process by these authorities. The orders have been passed without making any inquiry and without giving any reasons.
-The trust deed of all this trust and waqfs mentions a condition that the sole trustee of these trust and waqfs is the present Dai al Mutlaq. When Syedna RA expired, it becomes obligation to transfer such trust on the name of current Dai al Mutlaq because untill its done, all action of these trust and waqfs becomes nullified.

- I am sure you are going to say that KQ also claims to be a dai, yes he is a claimant but with this, the trust and waqfs cannot be led to be without operation till the courts judgement is passed.

-there is difference in haste and a rightful decision. KQ's action were pre planned and he did everything in haste when Syedna RA expired and that too on same day. While this is just to let the trust and waqfs be operational with an ease.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:37 am

- I am sure you are going to say that KQ also claims to be a dai, yes he is a claimant but with this, the trust and waqfs cannot be led to be without operation till the courts judgement is passed.
Unfortunately for them, "the trust and waqfs WILL be led to be without operation till the courts judgement is passed."

The "hasty" action of SMS group is evident as a press release from Fatemi Dawat site had asked authorities to refrain from it.

Perhaps they thought pulling a string or two with the PM-to-be was going to be enough.

Unfortunately for them, the courts exist!

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Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Hon. Gujarat High Court

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:44 am

PRESS RELEASE:
Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Hon. Gujarat High Court on 16-4-2014.
16 April 2014. Filing of Writ Petitions in the Gujarat High Court by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq and Head of the Dawoodi Bohra Community Alleging Violation of the Principles of Natural Justice by Several Authorities who have Without Due Process Passed Orders Entering Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s Name As Sole Trustee of Numerous Trusts And Wakfs.
Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Honourable Gujarat High Court on 16/4/2014.
The matter was listed for hearing today (16th April 2014) and the Hon’ble High Court of Gujarat has passed an ad-interim order restraining Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, his agents and his servants from alienating, selling, transferring or dealing with in any manner the assets and properties of about 75 public trusts and 261 wakfs till the next returnable date. Order passed in Special Civil Application No. 5478 of 2014 is reproduced herein below:
“Notice returnable on 25.04.2014. Ad-interim relief in terms of paragraph no. 28(C)(ii) is granted till then. Direct service is permitted.”

Mumbai, 16th April 2014: His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, has, in furtherance of his assertion of being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, which is based on truth (Haqq) and principle, filed eight Writ Petitions before the Gujarat High Court being Special Civil Application Nos. 5478 to 5485 of 2014, that allege a large scale violation of the principles of natural justice on the part of several Assistant Charity Commissioners and the Gujarat Wakf Board who have without giving a hearing and without issuing notices to him passed orders permitting Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name to be entered as sole trustee of numerous public trusts believed to be exceeding 75 and wakfs exceeding 250 in number.
The Writ Petitions filed in the Gujarat High Court state that soon after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq His Holiness Syedna Mohammed BurhanuddinRA on the 17th of January 2014, the Wakf Board passed an order entering Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name on January 23, 2014 and that too within just 2 days of an application having been filed. One day after the Wakf Board passed the order, Abdul Qadir Nooruddin, the son in law of Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, signed more than about 150 Change Reports which came to be filed in the offices of Assistant Charity Commissioners in about 20 districts on or about January 27, 2014, only 10 days after the sad demise of the 52nd Dai RA.
In Mehsana and Patan, orders have been passed by Assistant Charity Commissioners in 48 hours, in Amreli and Jamnagar within about 15-17 days of Change Reports having been filed and with a similar haste in other places. Such orders have also been passed in Gandhinagar, Bhavnagar, Junagadh, Rajkot, Dahod, Godhra and Valsad.
The Hon’ble High Court has been urged to look into this gross large scale violation of the principles of natural justice and the passing of orders at such haste without following due process by these authorities. The orders have been passed without making any inquiry and without giving any reasons.

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Re: Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Hon. Gujarat High Court

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Unread post by shehzaada » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:36 pm

Insaaf bhai please file a seperate petition challenging both these claimants. PDB should not forget its 88 year old struggle against the syedna. Now two syedna themselves are fighting over the ill gotten power game and money. This is the most apt time for reformists to chirp in and abolish the powers of the daae and humiliate them as they did with our ancestors who died fighting for the cause.

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Re: Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Hon. Gujarat High Court

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Unread post by shehzaada » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:41 pm

Or maybe let them fight and then when they are drained attack them. Allah has finished the Pharaoh of the time so will this pharonic dynasty will inshallah come to a devastating end. Both sides are of poor quality and dont even have the intellectual capability required to run islamic ssharia. The run their businesses with gregarious speech.


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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Mkenya » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:35 pm

Fatema MN: Are kya bade maze ki bandh likhi hei!
It is no longer just 'daal me kuch kala hai', but 'poori daal hi kaali hai' !
Mera khayal he ke zuroor koy 'kale' dil wale ne ye daal pakayi hoyegi!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:06 pm

Whether SKQ wins or not is not the case...it is how many blind and deaf he heals ...

And I know for sure many many blind and deaf are healing ...I no longer get frowns when I suggest which Diai, Q, M , to my die hard abdes....I get smiles and tolerance...they are now not die hard but reluctant abdes. Although they ask me to shush or look around. Why I am encouraged how many many months since SMB left. 3 ish. Done quite well.

Progress.......reform ....liberation .....let's just not call that so we don't spook abdes...let us call it haqq.

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My decision over leadership

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Unread post by monginis » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:51 am

Bismillah...

I will prefer SKQ over muffy on any day, but again this fight, infact this all dawat no safino is all about MONEY and POWER.

even if I join SKQ I will never ever hand over single cent to him, if he wants to feed his family he must produce his own money by halaal means.

and this is my advice to all, no matter whom you chose make sure never give single rupee/dollar to any spiritual leaders.

ALLAH dont need your money he needs your love and affection toward his creation.

donate money by your own way, give charity/zakaat to needy by your self, you dont need to rely on any one to do this job.

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Re: My decision over leadership

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:18 am

Allah subhanahu says in Quran:
[009:034] O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and monks( religious leaders) , who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood and hinder (them) from the way of God. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of God: announce unto them a most grievous penalty-
Allah announce a grievous penalty for such priests and monks who devours money and hinder them away from Allah.
to all abdes . ponder over this ayah of Allah. Is it not present Dai is like this..They devour the wealth of Mumeneen. keep them away from Allah by not allowing them to understand Quran and Islam. and collect Gold gini in najwa...