Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Habeel
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Habeel » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:57 am

My point is, if the originality of the concept is misunderstood, it will be misinterpreted. Whether its a Kaaba or Haqiqi kaaba, if misinterpreted, may lead to wrong direction.

zinger
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:07 pm

silvertongue wrote:
About Haqqiqi KaBa: Based on my little knowledge, the haqqiqi kaba is a concept. When you take that concept literally and add it in your belief system, it becomes human worship.
What have we got here ey. So you mean that Muslims Worship KAABA? so if there is a Haqiqi Kaaba then its human worship right? Bro be clear with these things first. Haqiqi Kaaba simply means the one who is a representative and a rightful authority which Allah swt has appointed. All the prophets were Haqiqi Kaaba. And the Imams are too. We bow to Kaaba not coz we worship it but its a direction showed by Allah and we follow it. Likewise Allah also mentioned in the Quran whom to follow and not to. Its simple and clear.
I feel Habeel is saying the same thing that you are, although differently.

he is also saying the same thing that Haqiqi Kabba is to be seen in the context of a guide, not a literal human being who is to be worshipped as the Kaaba

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:40 pm

Habeel wrote:About Haqqiqi KaBa: Based on my little knowledge, the haqqiqi kaba is a concept. When you take that concept literally and add it in your belief system, it becomes human worship. When you do not accept that concept, that is because it doesn't fit in your beliefs. However, if we explore further and take it as spiritual way by asking a question "where is Kabaa?" In the heart of one who has realized the haqiqat of Allah. As a spiritual person who has achieved that higher state thinks with perspective of Wajhillah". He thinks from that heart where the reality of Allah is realized. His word and actions are distinct and people follow him as he shows direction to follow. The problem is that the meaning of haqqiqi kabaa is not understood in spiritual aspect.
We both groups take it literally either to accept it or reject it.
Haqiqi Kaba as a concept should not even exist. I don't how and where it originated, my guess is that it was invented by the Kothar to fool Bohras. The moment you suggest this concept you are taking away attention from the the real Kaba which for all intents and purposes is THE Haqiqi Kaba. Any conceptual Kaba other than the real one can only lead to idolatry. The one's who have actually realised Allah in their hearts would reject the notion of haqiqi kaba. If they do not then Allah does not dwell in their hearts. They are frauds. It is as simple as that.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:30 am

On the question of haqiqi Kaaba, they say Dai ni kadambosi ma Haj nu sawab chhe. Not only kadambosi but even just to do deedar ma haj nu sawab chhe.

Wagar Paisa na kadambosi na deedar thai chhe. What's that muroor isn't it where they sell passes for passing in front of Dai

Truth-Prevails
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:47 pm

A detailed white paper on Zakaat and other vajebaat as per Shariat Mohammedi and Sirat of Fatemi Imams and Duat. It is interesting that they have taken Shariat and made it applicable to today's time. This is not about - how much did you do last year. This year you have to double. I was told to triple my vajebaat last year so I actually did not give any as my Amil would not accept my calculated amount. So this year I know how to calculate and also know who to give it to.

http://fatemidawat.com/zakaat/

They have also give a form where you can put your input and calculate what your actual Zakaat is due.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http ... ations.pdf

rational_guy
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by rational_guy » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:55 pm

Namaz doa translations posted on FatemiDawat.com. Imam Zainul Abedin AS fajar doa is also posted.
http://fatemidawat.com/bayan/publicatio ... anslation/

A new Riwayat is also posted
http://fatemidawat.com/madrasa_sabaq/riwayat/

true_bohra
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:28 am

FOR THOSE WHO BOAST KQ AS THEIR DAI;

have a read from the following blog

http://qutbibohras.blogspot.in/

rational_guy
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by rational_guy » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:45 am

true_bohra wrote:FOR THOSE WHO BOAST KQ AS THEIR DAI;

have a read from the following blog

http://qutbibohras.blogspot.in/

Another site for unemployed Kothar to work on.

true_bohra
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:41 pm

Are you 100% sure kothar is unemployed... Or its members are unemployed

And by the way just read the ABOUT tab on the site...I think it will answer you more aptly.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:43 pm

Ohh ya there is an interesting point about Zahra hasanat medical van and its number plates... Can someone clarify about this....

N ya pls don't tell me ke unhe number nahi milaa hoga

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:46 pm

N ya some one replied on this thread that Syedna Mohammed burhanuddin RA explicitly mentioned al walad al ahab for Kq and pity on them they created a site with this name.

While on the blog you can see a copy of document where Syedna RA mentions the same thing for aaliqadar Maula and much more than what Kq has received... Can some one clarify this also

SBM
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:11 pm

The FatemiDawat website posted a report on KQ's charity work "Zahra Hasanaat". http://fatemidawat.files.wordpress.com/ ... l-2013.pdf - On page 2, it mentions that he owns 2 vans for charity. The number plates are 9951 & 9953 - there is no "52" in sight.
Since they play with number games Here are some intresting fact with numbers
Taher Saifuddin 51 Dai
Mohammed Burhanuddin 52 Dai
Muffadal Saifuddin 53 Dai
There were 5 Khalifas
Abu Baker 1
Umer 2
Uthman 3
ALi 4
Muwayya 5
Since many do not recognize Muwayya as a legitimate Khalifa so we remove number 5 from all the above
then
Taher Saifuddin 1 = 1 Khalif Abu Baker
Burhanuddin 2 = 2 Khalifa Umer
Muffadal 3= 3 khalifa Usman
therefore it proves
Taher Saifuddin represents the Khllafat of Hzt Abu Baker while Burhanuddin represents Khilafat of Hzt Umer and Muffadal represent Usman
A true Dai will appear who will represent Hzt Imam Ali

true_bohra
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:39 am

why start with Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA particularly...

and I did not compare anyone with anybody else. The point was that KQ never considered Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and this is one of the proofs that yes he did not.

silvertongue
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by silvertongue » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:39 am

No one is like Ali a.s. and will never be. There is only ONE Ali a.s. and lives in every generation.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by rational_guy » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:26 pm

James ... you can see the attachment
Attachments
Medical Van Inaugration.jpg

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Re: The Mazoon Saheb

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Unread post by saminaben » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:27 pm

I happened to read the earlier post from 2002 on this thread, and can't help wondering about the simplicity of the trigger that doomed The future of Bohras 30-40 years later.

Mazoon saheb's biggest folly was his complete naïveté and lack of political astuteness to make a comeback. His cardinal sin was to listen to the voices of the people against the injustices and oppression faced by the mumineens of Nairobi. Therefore, today, in 2014, anyone have concerns about injustice and oppression in the community, see how the Bohra Nazi took care of their 2nd in command in the 1980s-1990s in the African continent. A Simple - one incident, one location, transgression from the powers of Yusuf Najmuddin's clone BJ, and look what history tell us of Mazoon sahebs wildly daring, albeit naive act for "easing the stress" of mumineens.

Looks like Mazoon Saheb's colors have not changed one bit. In his naïveté, and somewhat complete lack of political astuteness, he attempts to reach out to the common Bohra as Syedna Qutbuddin, with the FATEMIDAWAT WEBSITE and the Free flowing doas, guidelines, options, translations, transliterations, , that one can perform in the secrecy of their own home, in the privacy of their firewalls, this attempting, once again, to "easing the stress" of mumineens.

Anyone wanting freedom from injustices and oppression in finding a bit of solace and hope you know where to go. Cautiously though, now that you are informed.

Guest wrote: (In 2002 A few years ago when he was in Nairobi and Mombasa, Mazoon was informed of the injustices and oppression against people working, excommunication for non-Ridah wearing women and beard keeping etc. Late Yusuf Najmuddin's clone Badril Jamali was the Amil in Nairobi at the time and in bed with the Hibatullah family.<p>Mazoon tried to relax the laws and talked to the Reformists. This created excitement and happiness within the community and celebrations.<p>At the same time the Hebatullah (East African's Moula)contingent flew to Cairo and went to see the Dai. Hebatullah suggested that 'Mazoon was becoming Dai of EA" to tarnish his image. The Mazoon's visit was cut short.<p>The Hibatullah followers group came to prominence and declared all community memebers to re-take misak for being disloyal to Sayedna and talking to Mazoon; major re-shuffles were done and oppressive laws returned.<p>I don't think the Mazoon has ever returned to Nairobi since!! Perhaps some Africans can shed some more light on these facts.<p>

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AmmarHussaini » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:01 am

thank you sister for bringing this up, it is clear as day light KQ is better choice and far better leader than mufaddal.

but since I have doubts about this whole seat of dai ship and even anger about the blunders done by former 51-52 dai, I will personally wait until KQ sahab brings independent claims that he is associated with Imam himself.

nass from burhanuddin doesnt matters because its all fishy.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:13 am

Forget the nass all these things are of no use. If kq saheb work hard towards upbringing of community people will least concern of whether nass was done on him or not and slowly and steady people will get attracted to him.

As far as ms is concern he is ADDICTED to power and money so he will never change himself.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:15 pm

MS DOING ZIYARAT OF SKQ's MOTHER IN KARACHI.THIS PICTURE IS DOING ROUNDS ON WATSUP

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Maqbool
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Maqbool » Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:12 am

When SMS can do ziarat of SKQ's Mother, Why SKQ can not do same to SMS's father?

AmmarHussaini
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AmmarHussaini » Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:39 am

Maqbool wrote:When SMS can do ziarat of SKQ's Mother, Why SKQ can not do same to SMS's father?
Because when you have money you can do any thing.... :roll:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:48 am

AmmarHussaini wrote:
Maqbool wrote:When SMS can do ziarat of SKQ's Mother, Why SKQ can not do same to SMS's father?
Because when you have money you can do any thing.... :roll:
Not only money but absolute power and absolute control.

MMH
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by MMH » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:38 am

DisillusionedDB wrote:
AmmarHussaini wrote: Because when you have money you can do any thing.... :roll:
Not only money but absolute power and absolute control.
Dont fall for this. Its a gimick! Will win some brownie points till his next off the script bayan..

ammar
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ammar » Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:01 am

This is funny when Muffy doing ziyarat of SKQ's mother.

You know whats going on in Muffy's minds.

He is telling to SKQ,look here,i am doing ziyarat of ur mom with ease...now u come down to roza tahera and do ziyarat and see what will happen.

This is great!!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:41 pm

ANNOUNCEMENT & AMAL DETAILS: 17mi, 19mi & 21mi Ramadan

(Please take note of the corrected dates below.)

17mi Raat, 1435H (Sunday night 13 July 2014)

19mi Raat, 1435H (Tuesday night 15 July 2014) – see Announcement for 19mi waaz below

21mi Raat, 1435H (Thursday night 17 July 2014)

Syedna Qutbuddin will lead Maghrib Isha and Washeq Namaz on 17mi, 19mi and 21mi Raat at Darus Sakina, Thane, inshaallah.

By the raza mubarak of Syedna QutbuddinTUS Imamat namaz will also be held in South Mumbai (Sattaar), Pune, Secunderabad, London, Leicester, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Bakersfield, Poconos, New Jersey, San Francisco, Houston and other cities.

On the auspicious occasion of these layali fazela, Mumineen muminaat and their children who are not able to attend are advised to do the following amal: 1.Pray Maghrib Isha Namaz with Sunnat and Naafelat.
2.Pray 24 Rak’at Washeq Namaz (Charhti Surat). Click here to view PDF of washeq Niyyat and Doa.
3.Sajada Wajhi Doa (recording of wasila starts with this doa).
4.Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin AqaTUS has graciously given raza for his wasila mubaraka recording to be played on this mubarak occasion. Mumineen muminaat and children listening to the wasila mubaraka should observe the appropriate adab (etiquette) of attending in person even when listening to recording. Wasila is audio is available on http://fatemidawat.com/instructions.

ANNOUNCEMENT & AMAL DETAILS: Syedna QutbuddinTUS waaz on 19mi Raat - Amirul MumineenSA Shahaadat Night

Syedna Khuzaima QutbuddinTUS will deliver waaz Mubarak and pray shahaadat of Amirul Mumineen Maulana Ali bin Abi TalibSA on 19mi raat of Shehre Ramadaan (Tuesday, 15th July) after Maghrib Isha and Washeq Namaaz at Darus Sakina. Mumineen attending are invited for Niyaz and Iftaar Jaman after waaz Mubarak.

For those in North America, Shehzada Taher bhaisaheb will deliver waaz on 19mi tarikh (Wednesday, 16th July) at 2PM Pacific Standard Time. Those wishing to join video feed through GoToMeeting (platform used for sabaqs) should email info@fatemidawat.com.

Those unable to attend waaz in Mumbai and unable to join in North America should listen to Syedna QutbuddinTUS Shahadat bayaan video that will be uploaded on http://fatemidawat.com/bayan before the 19th of Shehrullah.

Fiamanillah

HMALAK
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by HMALAK » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:48 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:MS DOING ZIYARAT OF SKQ's MOTHER IN KARACHI.THIS PICTURE IS DOING ROUNDS ON WATSUP

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I have a question.
Will Khuzema Qutbuddin Sahab be allowed to do Ziyarat of his Mother as it is in Karachi under the Area of Mufaddal Saifuddin Sahab?
There is no case registered in the country of Pakistan by Khuzema Qutbuddin Sahab against Mufaddal Saifuddin Sahab..

Truth-Prevails
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:44 am

Imam Ali SA Shahaadat Bayaan by Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS Dubai 1405H

Shahaadat bayaan of Amirul Mumineen Maulana Ali SA in Dubai Saify Masjid on 8th Muharram 1405H. The bayaan is the last 43 minutes of the waaz. This is the Ashara safar during which Syedna Qutbuddin TUS was sent by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA to repay the loan taken to build the Dubai Masjid. The loan – close to 3 million Dirhams at the time – was repaid ahead of the due date.

http://fatemidawat.com/bayan/events/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eiymo-Yu0M

AmmarHussaini
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AmmarHussaini » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:01 am

Truth-Prevails wrote:Imam Ali SA Shahaadat Bayaan by Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS Dubai 1405H

Shahaadat bayaan of Amirul Mumineen Maulana Ali SA in Dubai Saify Masjid on 8th Muharram 1405H. The bayaan is the last 43 minutes of the waaz. This is the Ashara safar during which Syedna Qutbuddin TUS was sent by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA to repay the loan taken to build the Dubai Masjid. The loan – close to 3 million Dirhams at the time – was repaid ahead of the due date.

http://fatemidawat.com/bayan/events/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eiymo-Yu0M
Thank God SKQ was sent to repay this loan, if muffu was sent GOD knows if those money would ever reach to Dubai :mrgreen:

this shows how much trust and faith Muhammed burhanuddin had for his mazoon and how much yakeen he kept of SKQ sahab.

all mazoon haters must apologies for defaming Mazoon sahab.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:02 am

MMH wrote:
DisillusionedDB wrote: Because when you have money you can do any thing.... :roll:
Dont fall for this. Its a gimick! Will win some brownie points till his next off the script bayan..
SMS camp is coming up with creative ideas to remain in positive limelight. The recent incident at raudat tahera has raised credible objection in many SMS abde minds.
By going for SKQ’s mother ziyarat, he is expressing how lovable, forgiving and inviting SMS is.

UnhappyBohra
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:50 pm

humanbeing wrote: Dont fall for this. Its a gimick! Will win some brownie points till his next off the script bayan..
SMS camp is coming up with creative ideas to remain in positive limelight. The recent incident at raudat tahera has raised credible objection in many SMS abde minds.
By going for SKQ’s mother ziyarat, he is expressing how lovable, forgiving and inviting SMS is.
Glad there are objective people like you who see through these PR stunts. I nearly puked in MS 19th Shehrullah waaz and I pray for the day when I don't have to listen to this monkey and his lies any more. I watched it in a jet lagged state as I had to make an urgent trip due to business and it was sad that the bayaan bothered me way more than my jet lag!