Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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mumin_bhai
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#751

Unread post by mumin_bhai » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:25 pm

Just a quick question. Anybody here have the audio files from zahirbatin website? it seems that the site is no longer there.

ghulam muhammed
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#752

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:01 pm

On 25th Jan, hordes of tanzeem members in Surat charged towards bohra households like raging bulls late night on a signature campaign to get support for Muffy. In Kutbiwadi area, they not only took signatures from the terribly shaken and feared abdes but they made them pronounce laanat on SKQ in front of them and used the most vulgar and abusive language against him. This "Laanat drive" has actually backfired on Muffy very badly as bohras have been really pissed off and they have been criticising Muffy in hush tones for forcing them to use vulgar and abusive language for someone whom they had been addressing most respectfully till yesterday !! This AGGRESSIVE signature campaign was started by Muffy IMMEDIATELY after SKQ gave a public notice in newspapers whereby he warned people of dealing with Dawat properties due to his claim of being the 53rd Dai, who is the owner of these assets.

On Monday, 27th Jan, a fatwa was issued by the Surat Amil, Muder (Saadubhai of Muffy) to Bohras whereby they were ordered to close their shops/businesses till afternoon and participate in a "Morcha" which left at 9 pm and reached the Collectorate office at 12 pm where a memorandum was served to the Surat Collector alongwith the bunch of paper wherein signatures were taken from bohras who were made to swear allegiance to Muffy !! I dont know how far these signatures will serve as credible evidence in favour of Muffy in any court of law !!

Akhtiar Wahid
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#753

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:15 pm

Is this signature thing going to happen in GCC. Tell me how I can avoid it. How do I inform the rightful authourities that these kind of unethical practices are going on in my community.

New
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#754

Unread post by New » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:28 pm

This a golden opportunity for all the bohras. This is a good forum, no doubt about it and only of its kind. Let us continue with the forum. However, we have to and must take action NOW. Go to the website http://www.fatemidawat.com / contact and ask SKQ and his family members to make their assets public for transparency. Ask what Zakat they give. Let us create numbers by hundreds, thousands and by tens of thounds. I believe SMS will get the message as well. Two birds...

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#755

Unread post by saminaben » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:04 pm

They are now sending messages by ITS and local Jamaat - as Farman from wazaarat- e.g.
Burhani women's got a vazaarat letter essentially advising people to pray azaan, do tasbeeh of Ahde Nass siratul mustakeem. To stay away from fliers which are sugar-coated to protect us from "Bhutaara"and dushmano naa Zehra-laa teer.
The more they do all this, I feel they are just exposing themselves and turning me and my friends off from a lot of this craziness.
I don't know why they do this, they know mufaddalmaula is true Dai, they have everything, idawat, power money, and control over us. What more do they want,

Ozdundee
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#756

Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:34 pm

Does this lanaat and insult, night after night where they have hijacked SMB fateha majlis put more people off.

Really who enjoys these cultish mass hysteria. My orthodox family from overseas who I would never have considered to doubt a Sayedna are now superficially loyal and when I challenged them they were speechless. I said would you care if it was SKQ or SMS they said not really who ever wants to be Diai they can sort it out and just announce it and they will accept him.

I would say even if SKQ does not win he has helped the reform momentum immensely by diminishing SMS arrogance and credibility. Questions for how long. That does not mean they will not be surrounded by brain dead jesters, but the number is and will be less than what SMB commanded .

SMS recent path is of something that is kamikaze style self destruction. Open kimono and make it bare for all the world to see including Islamic religious police , Indian politicians, logical thinkers. Brand Bohra has taken a beating. Wonder what Shias, Alavi Bohras, Pakistani and even Modi must be thinking. What a bunch of whinging spoilt kids and there pets, crying emotions and confused how to appoint a leader. The house of cards has finally fallen.

So for reformist this is a victory that they did not have to do much , just stoke the fire to ensure debates go on and with access to a simple website, SKQ and SMS went for it. No guards, fight like gladiators.

When all the battles are over that includes appointing Mansoos , Mazoon and Mukasir we can assess what form of administration mutates. Until that time business as usual.

voice
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#757

Unread post by voice » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:16 pm

Got this msg,

Hamna ek bushra jaanwa mili k Gujrat state ma jitni bhi DPT properties chhe ehna sole authority Syedna Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS chhe modi ye final verdict aapo chhe ane eim bhi kidu chhe k dawedaar koi litigation file karwa jai ehne accept karwa ma Aawej nahi! It's his final say in this matter! From a v reliable source!
He has passed a resolution undisputed that mufaddal mola tus is only recognised authority of dawoodi Bohra jamaat!

So, Modi drama unfolding.

MusaKarimji
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#758

Unread post by MusaKarimji » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:23 pm

saminaben wrote:They are now sending messages by ITS and local Jamaat - as Farman from wazaarat- e.g.
Burhani women's got a vazaarat letter essentially advising people to pray azaan, do tasbeeh of Ahde Nass siratul mustakeem. To stay away from fliers which are sugar-coated to protect us from "Bhutaara"and dushmano naa Zehra-laa teer.
The more they do all this, I feel they are just exposing themselves and turning me and my friends off from a lot of this craziness.
I don't know why they do this, they know mufaddalmaula is true Dai, they have everything, idawat, power money, and control over us. What more do they want,
hi,

My mother name is also samina, but unfortunately she is unable to cope up wih all this drama, and she is not able to examine reality and she is busy following what ever rubbish is pan out to her in majlises. :x

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#759

Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:20 am

voice wrote:Got this msg,

Hamna ek bushra jaanwa mili k Gujrat state ma jitni bhi DPT properties chhe ehna sole authority Syedna Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS chhe modi ye final verdict aapo chhe ane eim bhi kidu chhe k dawedaar koi litigation file karwa jai ehne accept karwa ma Aawej nahi! It's his final say in this matter! From a v reliable source!
He has passed a resolution undisputed that mufaddal mola tus is only recognised authority of dawoodi Bohra jamaat!

So, Modi drama unfolding.
This is just BS. Modi is a political leader NOT a judge. Only court of law can decide who owns the properties.

Fakhruddinsuratwala
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#760

Unread post by Fakhruddinsuratwala » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:30 am

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Is this signature thing going to happen in GCC. Tell me how I can avoid it. How do I inform the rightful authourities that these kind of unethical practices are going on in my community.
They dare us in Middle East and we will show them how government is going to throw them out.

silvertongue
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#761

Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:07 am

Even Im in the middle east.. And the population of bohras is huge... I dont know what theyr gona do if I dnt accept it.

alam
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#762

Unread post by alam » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:56 am

To ALL OF you and especially For those of you afraid of signature campaign at your doorstep, or if they are in your face. Here are some options other than Just saying no ( and risk a backlash):
Step 1. Do a fake signature -such as Mickey Mouse, Narendra Modi, or simply sign SMS after your usual signature. Seriously, though, just sign completely different from the way you normally do. Or sign as yourself.
Step 2. Write a letter with the following text in it, date it, sign it with your real name and usual signature, make a copy of it, seal it and send to a trusted friend, a lawyer or yourself by postal mail. Or the police.

Here is the text : TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
I, (your name) signed a document on ( date), at (location), in the presence of (who asked you to sign) because I felt either forced or pressured to do so, or I feared extreme social harassment, boycott, humiliation and threat of excommunication, etc.. If I failed to sign this document or petition. I further declare that I do not have a copy of the petition, I did not get a chance to read it thoroughly, nor did I have the option to take my time to read it before i was asked to sign it. . To the best of my knowledge, this petition that I supposedly signed against my freewill basically had to do something About " I believe SMS to be the true and rightful successor and heir as the 53rd Dai'l Mutlaq, and that I would be further declaring that SKQ's claim to be the 53 rd Dai is fraudulent".
I am now declaring that I did not agree with the views set form in that petition.
Finally I declare that everything I am stating right now is true, and I am signing this declaration of my own free will.



If ANY of you have already signed a petition and are unhappy about it, you can always write up this declaration and take it to your local authorities.

If ever this goes to court or has any teeth to it, which most people doubt it would, this might turn out to discredit it.

You could write these up as your journal entries too as a written record of the day to day atrocities you observe or experience in your Jamaat.
Never know.

AgnosticTheist
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#763

Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:22 am

I already signed (by pressure) one such memorandum sent to our city Collector. But the good news is my signature was total fake :). Nowhere close to my official signature.

white_pigeon
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#764

Unread post by white_pigeon » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:48 am

That blank paper signing is dodge.
Imagine they create a document later with your signature, that you donated your house for next year's Wajebat offering to them.
Then you can do maatam and they will say "Maula Shifa Aapse"

AMAFHH
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#765

Unread post by AMAFHH » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:50 am

silvertongue wrote:Even Im in the middle east.. And the population of bohras is huge... I dont know what theyr gona do if I dnt accept it.
In Gulf countries if they Force you for Signature you can approach the MINISTRY OF ISLAMIC AFFAIRS by a written complain and they will take the appropriate action on this ,
the Kothari's are afraid of the Islamic Ministries in the gulf state

Fakhruddinsuratwala
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#766

Unread post by Fakhruddinsuratwala » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:29 am

voice wrote:Got this msg,

Hamna ek bushra jaanwa mili k Gujrat state ma jitni bhi DPT properties chhe ehna sole authority Syedna Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS chhe modi ye final verdict aapo chhe ane eim bhi kidu chhe k dawedaar koi litigation file karwa jai ehne accept karwa ma Aawej nahi! It's his final say in this matter! From a v reliable source!
He has passed a resolution undisputed that mufaddal mola tus is only recognised authority of dawoodi Bohra jamaat!

So, Modi drama unfolding.
Bullshit...Who is Narendra Modi...? If SKQ fights it systematically they have a very strong case. But a independent Law firm with a right methodology to fight will atleast clean the system.

When Aqa Moula was healthy he was very averse of Modi and Modi actually used to forcefully enter Majlisis and try to meet Moula but after the sad event of Moula getting the stroke, Shezadas used it and got Modi on the stage with Moula and made him sit there for hours. This thing made us look like a joke in front of entire Muslim Community. They got Modi on the stage with Aqa Moula who has his hands dirty with the bloods of Mumineens as well.
All the phrases used for SKQ depicts the mental state of the club and where you can make out what and how they think about the ordinary bohras.

I bow my head in Namaaz now in few minutes and pray again that the truth prevails and Imam of the Zaman gives the liberation from this chaos and opression of the Mullas and Sheikhs and thier guiding lords. Ya Allah give us the right path and make us follow the true Islam.

db2012
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#767

Unread post by db2012 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:04 am

We have learn from MB " Koi ne Gibat na karo , Gibat karvu a Marelat Manas nu gos khava barabar che"

they are saying SK is bad , just look what SM is doing ?

We can say SM is doing worst thing as goonda.... Camp.
He want to use Modi as his supporter and want to threat people .
All bad words and ramous are distributed by SM Camp only....

We can filter wise and bad men now !

AgnosticTheist
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#768

Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:40 am

Universaldad wrote:
AgnosticTheist wrote:I already signed (by pressure) one such memorandum sent to our city Collector. But the good news is my signature was total fake :). Nowhere close to my official signature.
Come on get a spine.... say that you dont follow. Why sit on the fence and then complain that your behind is hurting.... You should not have signed it or signed it with conviction.
Looks like you didn't pay heed to the plight of most of the members here. WE HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THE FAMILY. PERIOD.

white_pigeon
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#769

Unread post by white_pigeon » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:24 am

First Misaq Date Announcement on Website
http://fatemidawat.com/events/

seriousnessisamess
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#770

Unread post by seriousnessisamess » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:16 pm

New WhatsApp message,

Black & White

I claim no intricate knowledge regarding Dawat theology or its sophisticated legal doctrine. But I do know what I see, and I believe in what I see. And what I see is Black and White.
1. Black is repeatedly claiming ‘maney’ (me). White is voicing ‘mamlook’.
2. Black is repeating ‘my belief’… White is belief in Moula.
3. Black is leaving Moula’s janaazah. White is staying by its side.
4. Black fears. White sacrifices.
5. Black is claiming grief. White is showing it.
6. Black is claiming saathey rakha. White is silently saathey rhaya.
7. Black is demanding rutba. White is serving it.
8. Black is quoting trust numbers. White is earning trust.
9. Black is claiming knowledge. White is applying it in Dawat’s service.
10. Black is feigning superiority. White is humility.
11. Black is claiming time for ziyaarat. White is ensuring that others are blessed with it.
12. Black is copying Moula. White is serving him.
13. Black demands his place next to Moula. White always stands behind him.
14. Black is idle chatter. White is dignified silence.
15. Black is inarticulateness. White is eloquence.
16. Black is tarnishing your predecessor. White is celebrating him.
17. Black is feigning remembrance. White never forgets.
18. Black mentions enemies. White attracts friends.
19. Black misuses children. White cherishes them.
20. Black demands sajda. White is sajda personified.

In this case, life is indeed black and white.

(Source: Freelance)

maxthemature
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#771

Unread post by maxthemature » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:53 pm

Gulaam mohammed your comments even a mentally retard person wud laugh it off
More than 10 clear proof of time and again abt molas nass on muffadal mola!
But one who alwys cursed burhanuddin aqa and dai zamaan why wud they be interested on 53rd dai muffdal mola tus
Be nonbhoris why don't u join some other sites and talk about pork and wine,nudity and porn may be
Khuda ni lanat on u and 4-5 morons that compliments u!

maxthemature
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#772

Unread post by maxthemature » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:01 pm

And I have noticed since a decade 40-50 bunch of ideots here are complimenting
Each other without knowing any facts whatsoever at all
I can put my hands on kurane majeed and say every thing said here
Is absolute bullshit and not true and can proove every thing point to point on one to one basis
Khuda sagla ne quwwat aape to come out of this insanity u guys r doing on this website( this does not count ppl like gulaam mohammed and few others who are sunni and few other people of asghar ali engineer)

Al-Muizz
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#773

Unread post by Al-Muizz » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:16 pm

maxthemature wrote:And I have noticed since a decade 40-50 bunch of ideots here are complimenting
Each other without knowing any facts whatsoever at all
I can put my hands on kurane majeed and say every thing said here
Is absolute bullshit and not true and can proove every thing point to point on one to one basis
Khuda sagla ne quwwat aape to come out of this insanity u guys r doing on this website( this does not count ppl like gulaam mohammed and few others who are sunni and few other people of asghar ali engineer)

Sorry maxthe immature babbling idiot, I'm a strong and ardent follower of Aqa Moula Mufaddal Moula TUS. Instead of giving lanaat on folks who don't agree with you, you'd be better served doing something useful with your so-called life! Your behaviour is like a hyena, laughing all the way while being chased by the lions. Your behaviour are an absolute insult to the teachings of Ali A.S. You have no control of your toungue, or your immature thoughts!

With all due respect, and I SINCERELY mean it, you are a first class moron!

Mazakyo
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#774

Unread post by Mazakyo » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:40 pm

maxthemature wrote:Gulaam mohammed your comments even a mentally retard person wud laugh it off
More than 10 clear proof of time and again abt molas nass on muffadal mola!
But one who alwys cursed burhanuddin aqa and dai zamaan why wud they be interested on 53rd dai muffdal mola tus
Be nonbhoris why don't u join some other sites and talk about pork and wine,nudity and porn may be
Khuda ni lanat on u and 4-5 morons that compliments u!

Oi hoi maxtheimmature bara tapa howa hai. Abhi abhi jamaat ka khana kha kay aya hai. Bhaio zara bach kay rahyo !!

Muslim
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#775

Unread post by Muslim » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:11 pm

Black is sending your uncle laanat.
White is addressing your nephew as bhaisaheb.

voice
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#776

Unread post by voice » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:14 pm

I got this message and some important questions raised in it,

Mufaddal mola par NAS huyi hai ya nhi ..Public me yeh sawal uth rahe hai.
Sabse pehla sawal ke Burhanudin mola ne kabhi direct kisi bhi waaz me nass ki jikar nahi ki. Sab indirect huwa. 99 sal ki umar me jab puri tarah apni bimari se pareshan unconscious ho gaye, jab bola bhi nhi jata tha tab mola mufaddal ne kyun nass ho ne ka dawa kiya.

Aap na chah kar bhi sab kuch bardasht karte rahe hai. Shayad yeh baat bhi sahi lag rahi hai ki itne saloh tak choop rehna ka karan yeh ho sakta hai ki Nass moula Qutbuddin ko makfi me ki hai aur woh abb dobara nahi ki ja sakti. Lekin 40 sal se family pressure ki wajah se tang akar woh public me elan nahi kar pa rahe theh. Aakhir jab woh unconscious huwe to family walo ne Nass ke hone ka dawa kar diya, Kyunki abb moula Burhanudin bol nahi sakte the.
50 salo tak Burhanuddin moula ne Nass kyon nahi farmayi moula Mufaddal par..?
Kahan hai Imamuz Zaman ?
Jo hame Nass ka sahi haqdar dilaye ?
Kyu mola Mufaadal ke qabile me itni ghabrahat hai ?
Kyun humko collector ke pas bheja gaya ?
Rasto me numaish ki ja rahi hai. Nass ke dawe sachche hai bataya ja raha hai. Ye kam to Imam ka hai..?
Kahi mola Qutbudin ka sach daba diya ja raha hai ?
Kyun akhir Moula Taher Saifuddin ke ladke par lanat bulayi ja rahi hai ?
Kya lanat bolna sahi hai ?
Yeh ladai position aur 12 billion dollars ki hai. Public kaha jaye kise misaq de ?

Confuse ho gayi hai lekin jabardasti majburi se mola mudaddal ko mola maan rahi hai..aur hamdardi se mola qutbudin ko dekh rahi hai.....ya allah humko madad kar..

MusaKarimji
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#777

Unread post by MusaKarimji » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:16 pm

after listening latest clip from syena Qutbuddin it is affirm that he is the one who is speaking truth even the heart and brain agrees on that.

also I would like to request SKQ group to kindly create forum which is moderated by them to discuss more subjects, this place is not an ideal place for any serious discusions.

Shukran jazakallah

MusaKarimji
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#778

Unread post by MusaKarimji » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:58 pm

I also loved the way syedna Qutbuddin didnt utter any bad names or lanat on any one, infact he spoke with facts and truth.
also in end he didnt just prayed for his followers but also for all human being in general.

prayed for peace not just for hindustan or isamic world, but for the whole world.


this is the true qualities of a real LEADER

Kudos.

Jazakallah Khair.

SKQ Fan
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#779

Unread post by SKQ Fan » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:05 am

There is no doubt in the minds of all right minded people as to the authenticity of Sayedna Qutbuddin's Claim, he is the righful Dai, truth speaks for itself he does not need to resort to abuses, lananats, threats, but in a calm and self assured manner challenges the imposter to come and debate with him. Momineen are being threatened not to answer his call, many munimeen in my city have expressed a desire to side with the truth but are afraid of the pressure tactics employed by Muffy and gang or family and socal repurcussions, lack of infrastrucute etc. Inshallah with time these obstacles will be removed and Haq will prevail. Haq ( Sayedna Qutbufddin) will win and Baatil ( Muffy) will be exposed. Long Live Moula Qutbuddin. May Allah Grant you a long , long life to fight the fanatics trying to hijack our Deen, Ghanu Jeevo Moula, Gahau Jeevo

white_pigeon
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#780

Unread post by white_pigeon » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:29 am

Community has been split and matters will be taken to court says "Times of India newspaper"

http://t.co/umAOS0dq8S