BelieveSyednaQutbuddin.com

The one and only free public forum for Bohras. The focus of this forum is the reform movement, the Dawoodi Bohra faith and, of course, the corrupt priesthood. But the discussion is in no way restricted to the Bohras alone.
Saif53
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Unread post by Saif53 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:27 am

CHECK THIS SITE OUT.
IT HAS THE ANSWERS YOU WANT.
http://BelieveSyednaQutbuddin.com/
Not what you expect.

as2153
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Unread post by as2153 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:50 am

This site is misleading and the use of a wrong title is a shallow tactic to use. The points being made maybe well thought through and potentially correct or incorrect but the misleading title of the website and the subtitle is firmly intended to lead those that are interested in supporting Syedna Qutbuddin into believing he is wrong. If the author of the site genuinally believes what he is writing, then he should not be so dishonest in the use of the title and keywords.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:34 am

I had no idea that the followers of our great Imam Ali and the maatam karnars of our great Imam Hussain and the rowa jivu moh karwavala for the shaheeds of karbala were capable of such deception. They create a site with one name and give a completely opposite message. It is like a site which tells you that it will help you make money and then takes you to a porn site. This is the way these people are behaving. Not even 10 days have passed since the passing of our great Aqa Ruhani Shafiq bawa and we have become 3rd grade chaalus? Is this what he taught us? Well, actually he did. Sorry for wasting your time. Peace out. :wink:

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Unread post by true_bohra » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:04 am

This is amazing....

as2153
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Unread post by as2153 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:58 am

Title to site has been fixed. The author of this site is knowledgable and has put up strong arguments in favor of SMS

Nafisa
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Unread post by Nafisa » Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:16 am

Mumineen Ni Jamaat
Mamlooke Aale Muhammad Fraud Choon. Khuzaima Ye Mari Neend Haraam Kari didi. Aray Ehney Maut Kem Nathi Aawti? Aray Mumineen Tamari Misal Andha Jahilo Bewaqufu Ni Jamaat Khuda Ye Maney Naseeb Kidi Ye Tamaru Muqaddar Chey. Ah! Tamne Mubarak Thaju

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Unread post by AMAFHH » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:03 am

I want to send this message to the Site Owner that what ever Analysis he has put is correct but there was a question which struck my mind
What if SMB was informed Before coming to Raudat tahera that Mufaddal bhai has organized a ziyafat for Moula
as everything was done same as a Ziyafat and in between they (Muffadal Team) might have done this Nass drama

I am not a supporter of Mazoon camp so please do not think as i am defending the Mazoon on he's claim of Dai

truebohra
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Unread post by truebohra » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:05 am

All the comments from the other side of fence are beating around the bush. No one has the guts to refute the points put up by the BelieveSyednaQutbuddin.com & all the so called libreal , highly educated modern commentators could not understand the irony used for the title of the site.

pheonix
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Unread post by pheonix » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:34 am

Reason #2 absolutely demolishes the only credible point in Khuzema's story.

Lamiya
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Unread post by Lamiya » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:21 am

Nafisa wrote:Mumineen Ni Jamaat
Mamlooke Aale Muhammad Fraud Choon. Khuzaima Ye Mari Neend Haraam Kari didi. Aray Ehney Maut Kem Nathi Aawti? Aray Mumineen Tamari Misal Andha Jahilo Bewaqufu Ni Jamaat Khuda Ye Maney Naseeb Kidi Ye Tamaru Muqaddar Chey. Ah! Tamne Mubarak Thaju

now thats really cheap! the site gives an opposite view, you dont like it so you have to ridicule. such a unhealthy attitude!

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Unread post by dawoodfakhruddin » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:47 am

whatever it is.....hmmmm...the logic given with historical events specially with jamea point i feel khuzema and his sons cant deny a single view....i would probably like to read to their arguments against these logical reasons on their site fatemidawat.com.....but i doubt they have any logical answers!

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Unread post by Sceptical » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:09 pm

pheonix wrote:Reason #2 absolutely demolishes the only credible point in Khuzema's story.
answer by fatemidawat.com under Q&A section :
6. Is a khaangi/private nass valid?

In his Risalat, Syedna Taher Saifuddin says he is revealing a “deep secret” (see Arabic text and translation on home page):

The 7th dai Syedna Ahmed did private nass on his mansoos Syedna Husain without soliciting the presence of any witnesses, and without a public declaration of succession. Syedna Husain revealed himself to be mansoos after Syedna Ahmed’s demise.

Syedna Ahmed’s nass was an extraordinary circumstance because the standard practice is that the Dai performs public nass in front of mumineen, or private nass in front of 2 or 4 shahids, and there are many instances of both in Dawat history. It is well known, for example, that the 49th Dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin performed nass upon the 50th Dai Syedna Abdullah Badruddin in front of shahids, and the nass was made public after Syedna Burhanuddin’s wafaat. In contrast, Syedna Ahmed did not perform nass upon Syedna Husain in the presence of witnesses, but only disclosed it to his mansoos. This is why Syedna Taher Saifuddin says he is disclosing a deep secret, and that is why he gives the sole example of Syedna Husain for this kind of nass-e-khafi, and not of Syedna Badruddin or others like him.

Until Syedna Taher Saifuddin wrote about it openly in his Risalat, Syedna Ahmed’s private nass on Syedna Husain was not revealed in zahir history kitaabs. This explains the difference in the version of the zahir history Kitab Muntaza ul Akhbar of Shaikh Qutub bhai Burhanpuri, which says Syedna Ahmed performed nass on Syedna Husain in the presence of hudood mukhliseen and mumineen muqineen (i.e. a standard, public nass in front of hudood and mumineen).

There is hikmat in each of Syedna Taher Saifuddin’s bayaans, and there is hikmat in that he chose to reveal this khaangi nass for mumineen today.
:lol: God, this is endless... who is right?

Sceptical
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Unread post by Sceptical » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:29 pm

please, can someone explain what they trying to demonstrate with this?
http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/2014/ ... fuddin-ra/
Because this is totally applicable to each STS(ra) son... especially Yusuf Najmuddin Baisaheb...
Don't know if I should laugh or cry with this clumsy demonstration.

C'mon guys, make a logical demonstration with proof and not (mis)interpretations.

alam
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Unread post by alam » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:45 pm

In the First round of the debate last night, SMS was clearly the winner, with a few minor flaws.

The prize witness for the grand prosecution was putting Heptullah on the stand.
He is a known insider, privvy to a lot of conversations and the inner workings of the Dawat and the right hand of YN and his wisdom.
And putting Mohammed Yamani as a supporting witness was the icing on the cake.

Then why did they have to put Aqa Maula Burhanuddin on the witness stand and destroy everything the previous star witness had to say. Clearly, Burhanuddin Maula portrayed SKQ as being put through a lot of trouble in Kenya for the wrong reasons. Burhanuddin Maula strongly admonished the people doing fitnat in Africa.

Nicely chosen clip to support SMS and discredit SKQ.

Can't wait for round two.

pheonix
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Unread post by pheonix » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:44 am

The deafeaning silence of the nayslayers in response to the points on this site, shows their intellectual corruption.
They all run with their tails between their legs when confronted with the truth.

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:49 am

One question champ!

Which side are you on?

in one avtar you are for Mufaddal Maula, in one you are for Mazun Maula and in a third, you are for niether.

Its really tiring keeping track of ur multiple ids and which id is on which side of the fence :roll:

pheonix
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Unread post by pheonix » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:00 am

zinger wrote:One question champ!

Which side are you on?

in one avtar you are for Mufaddal Maula, in one you are for Mazun Maula and in a third, you are for niether.

Its really tiring keeping track of ur multiple ids and which id is on which side of the fence :roll:
By this site i meant (believesyednaqutbuddin.com) and I am not sitting on the fence either.
Have my feet firmly grounded on the RIGHT side :D

maxthemature
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check this out http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com

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Unread post by maxthemature » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:27 pm

The base of the article in which it is commemorated as 'Syedna' is completely fake. He is not currently a 'Syedna'(A post which is only used to refer the leader of Dawoodi Bohra community. Right now the leader is Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin. This Khuzaima Qutbuddin was a Syedi & Mazoon. But he wrongfully claimed that he was the true successor when the whole community of 1 million strong has witnessed Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (52nd Dai) giving nass(succession) to Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (53rd Dai) publicly, 3 years ago. Khuzaima never claimed anything at that time. The day Syedna Burhannuddin passed away, he claimed that nass had been done on him 49 years ago in seclusion. Now even in seclusion, this ceremony requires at least 4 witnesses. He doesn't have one and claims that he was been anointed. There was an instance in the past when this had happened privately when no one else was present. But, in that time the conditions were different. In this case the Syedna Burhannuddin had 50 years to disclose it if he truly was the successor. In this age of technology even if secrecy was to be kept(as Khuzaima claims), he could have at least made a video or recording secretly with Syedna Mohammed Burhannuddin for proof. But he has none. The reason? He was never anointed.
All other information mentioned is correct but in the present, he is not to be referred as 'Syedna', 'Syedi' or ' Mazoon'. He once used to hold these positions, but now all of his offices are taken away because he revolted against the 53rd Dai Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and in our community if you do not believe the dai, the you are not a Bohra and this holds true for all religions. You cant be called a Christian if you do not believe in Jesus, Nor can you be a hindu if you do not worship 'Shiva', nor can you be a Muslim if you do not follow ' Rasullah saw' and similarly u can't be a Dawoodi Bohra if you do not follow the 'current Dai'.
Khuzaima only has few members of his own family with him All his brothers and their children and families are with Mufaddal Moula. Even his own daughter is with Mufaddal Moula. He has very few people on his side not even 0.1% of the total Dawoodi -Bohra strength.
His own son, Abdeali had previously accepted that Syedna Mufaddal is the true successor. Now he has retracted from that, but any ways in this digital age, I have a video proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... aVDhYGvEfc References - http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/
I entirely agree with the above statements and verify as a member of the Dawoodi Bohra Community, that Khuzaima Qutbuddin is an imposter and has attempted to forcibly seize the position as Syedna/ Dai and such lies should not be entertained and posted on wikipedia to mislead readers of this article.

Jamali
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Unread post by Jamali » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:41 pm

Nor can you be a hindu if you do not worship 'Shiva', nor can you be a Muslim if you do not follow ' Rasullah saw' and similarly u can't be a Dawoodi Bohra if you do not follow the 'current Dai'.

Does this mean that dawoodi Bohras are not Muslim but a different religion together? ;) I really think the intelligence of the Abdes need to be "censored" as they always seem to shoot themselves in the foot when they open their mouths :)

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Unread post by mnoorani » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:05 pm

maxthemature wrote: You cant be called a Christian if you do not believe in Jesus, Nor can you be a hindu if you do not worship 'Shiva', nor can you be a Muslim if you do not follow ' Rasullah saw' and similarly u can't be a Dawoodi Bohra if you do not follow the 'current Dai'.
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Allah na rasul ne peeche kara,
Dai na juda mazhab paida kidha
Ek khaandan si thai qaum manhoos
Dai bana che jhutaa masoos

Akhtiar Wahid
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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:13 pm

mnoorani wrote:
maxthemature wrote: You cant be called a Christian if you do not believe in Jesus, Nor can you be a hindu if you do not worship 'Shiva', nor can you be a Muslim if you do not follow ' Rasullah saw' and similarly u can't be a Dawoodi Bohra if you do not follow the 'current Dai'.
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Allah na rasul ne peeche kara,
Dai na juda mazhab paida kidha
Ek khaandan si thai qaum manhoos
Dai bana che jhutaa masoos
Mansoos kai che mein choo dai
Mazoon kai che mein choo dai
fasigayo che beecharo mumin bhai
jannat na naam par batawa che maut ni khai
phir bhi chalya mumin ni lutwa har ek Paee

maxthemature
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Unread post by maxthemature » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:34 pm

in thane there aresome bunch of lunatics sittin there and were plannin this since conspiracy since years and they r proof for that as well
this site destroys every single point they have fabricated from here and there! 3 years they have accpeted nass on muffadal mola tus in open and in every town and the video posted above of abdeally sums up the story and soon as the wafaat of our beloved syedna mohammed burhanuddin aqa as expected this people did what they were expected to do! lanat on them!
syedna muffadal saifuddin tus zindabad! enemies of islam and dawat burn and rott here and in the life here after!!!!!! period

Jamali
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Unread post by Jamali » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:37 pm

maxthemature wrote:in thane there aresome bunch of lunatics sittin there and were plannin this since conspiracy since years and they r proof for that as well
this site destroys every single point they have fabricated from here and there! 3 years they have accpeted nass on muffadal mola tus in open and in every town and the video posted above of abdeally sums up the story and soon as the wafaat of our beloved syedna mohammed burhanuddin aqa as expected this people did what they were expected to do! lanat on them!
syedna muffadal saifuddin tus zindabad! enemies of islam and dawat burn and rott here and in the life here after!!!!!! period
Maxthemature...you title is wrong. you need to rename it maxtheimmature. I wont even bother explaining why because as it is you will not get it...:)

maxthemature
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Unread post by maxthemature » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:44 pm

u can think whatever u want.........we one million stronghold community now after this incident have become even more stronger in everyways and intentions of some bunch of lunatics in thane and in udiapur who r tryin their level best since 2 decades to cause any kind of damage as a result r doing the opposite!!!!!
muffadal mola tus zindabad.........and enemies rott in here and in life here after!
sure u wont get this jamali cuz u r not even a shiya let alone a mumeen!so dont stress ur pea sized brains!and yes do read the website again in detail and private msg me,i will send u a nice gift which i m sure u will appreciete!!

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:50 pm

Muffadal Moula farmave che Roti Banao
Qutbuddin Moula farmave che bairao ne agey pohnchawo
hawein bairao kene kehse moula Bacchao
aa sawal toh koi Mature please jawab batao

SBM
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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:52 pm

[quote]we one million stronghold community now after this incident have become even more stronger in everyways and intentions[/quote]
Please re read as we one million brain dead Abdes now after this incident have become more stronger in our slavery

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:54 pm

what i would really like to see is this fight escalating to the point that both opponents and their supporters resort to violence to settle their claims. i would like to see muffy take the lead in this direction as he is the, in his opinion, undisputed champion and has already gained a reputation as a scrappy fighter, a fighter who will fight tooth and nail to grab what he wants; gaali-galoch, laanats, hitting below the belt, mobilising murderous abde's to smash enemy camps, organising blood-thirsty mobs of 'peaceful' momineen (a' la udaipur), delivering inflammable speeches to provoke sheep to turn into baying hounds etc.

once the fight has turned this ugly, i am sure kq will not remain somnolent and dignified in his response as hitherto. he will soon reveal the iron fist clad with knuckle dusters hidden inside his velvet gloves. i say let the 'hunger games' commence and ideally conclude only when both fighters wound each other so grievously that none survive. then the bohras can make a fresh start by conducting fervent mass prayers (and maatams, if they so wish, having become addicted to them of late) on the likes of koti maha yagna's, to invite the imam to finally reveal himself, the board having been cleared of all pesky contenders tarnishing the imam's image.

all those in favor of this highly desirable scenario, please say "AYE".

maxthemature
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Unread post by maxthemature » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:00 pm

the above website and proofs were only for dawoodi bhora community and (not munafekin and people who r burning in jelousy of the unbelievable progress of the community and using ideotic words like slavery,forceetc...grow up, readers here r not kindergarden children on this site) explanations wud b given in private to mumineen and not to people with disrepctful language towards a dai! i have said this before for u guys there are different sites like.........sure dont wanna b mentioned all over again!!!!!

SBM
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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:00 pm

Aye Aye Aye....
Kaho Dai key Dushmano per Rehmatullah khao Unke Ghulamon Per Lanatuallah

SBM
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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:02 pm

in private to mumineen and not to people with disrepctful language
So What do you call Laanat on Mazoon ----a respectful language? Wow you are truly smart Abde
BTW so some of SKQ followers he is also a DAI