Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Kaka Akela
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:25 pm

Bro GM :

There are family trees available that show he is a descendant of Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed and Maolai Abdul Qader Hakimuddin of Burhanpur, I had seen these in a magazine called Naseem s sehar a long time ago, I don't know if the magazine still exist.

Syedna Qutubuddin shaheed had a daughter called Ajab bu Saheba, she was married to an Isna Ashari called Mahabat ali khan who was a court minister or Police Chief of Aurangzeb. This gentleman claimed to have been a descendant of Imam Jaffer us Sadiq. one of the descendants from this marriage is an Aai saheb and then Amatullah Aai saheb ( mother of Muffy) was her descendant and thats how they claim descendancy from the Imam.

If you are willing to go way back in tracing your geneology you will find out that we all have Adam and Eve as our father & mother, and you and I are related as well some where up the ladder.



Nietzsche
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Nietzsche » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:52 pm

We all have the same DNA, we're all related, all organisms. This line started billions of years ago. Why does descent even matter for a dai, anyway? What does it matter who your relatives are if you can't keep the community running well?



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:22 pm

Just came across this video -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJUFDMlHg8U

Why did Alavis show courtesy (or whatever that was) after this? They should have distanced themselves from SMS.

And the comments on the video makes me go crazy. The so called "peace loving" community uttering absolutely disgusting words about the video poster (who didn't abuse anyone).



AgnosticIndian
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:40 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Can someone from SMS camp clarify the following :-

◾Syedi Mufaddal Mola (tus) is a descendant of Imam J’afar al-Sadiq (as), Syedi Fakhruddin al-Shaheed, Syedna Qutbuddin al-Shaheed (ra) and Syedi Abdulqadir Hakimuddin (ra).

http://akhbar.mumineen.org/archive/fate ... n-english/
A thought that came to my mind was this may be a precursor to claim Imamate itself?



ghulam muhammed
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:16 pm

Idaratut Ta'reef al Shakhsi
(ITS)

Baad Salaam il Jameel,

MISLEADING EMAILS

It has been observed mumineen followers of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS) are receiving misleading emails. Emails are being received from email IDs sounding and looking similar to our ITS52 (ejamaat) email IDs.

Subtle changes are such that one can easily be misled into, assuming these emails to be genuine or authentic. To avoid such mails mumineen are advised to take these steps to safeguard their emailboxes immediately.

GMAIL USERS
To remove such misleading emails from your inbox:
Select the message you'd like to report. Click the SPAM button in the toolbar above your message list.
(If you have the message open, you can also report it as SPAM by clicking the same SPAM button.)

YAHOO USERS
To remove such misleading emails from your inbox:
Clicking the checkbox(es) next to the message AND then clicking the SPAM button at the top of the Inbox.

OTHER USERS
Other email providers will have a similar facility to clearly mark an email as SPAM.

Vasalaam,

ITS Department



salsabeel
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by salsabeel » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:18 am

a watsapp msg i recieved:
Asalaam wa alaykum my dear uncles, aunties, cousins and family. I want to share something, regarding the current situation that has shattered our community; that has been bothering me for a few days now. I want someone to shed some light and clarify a few things for me. Why is Mufaddal moula meeting with people, who are not only considered as “napaak” but are also enemies of Islam? He met with, RSS leader Thackhrey and Modi who undisputedly are staunch enemies of Muslims and are responsible for many deaths of our brothers and sisters of Islam. He also met with the Mazoon of the Alawi bohras, a group which during many bayaans has been made clear that they are considered to be dushmano of our dawat as they had strayed from the haqq. Another set of pictures are being circulated with Mufaddal moula meeting a hindu priest (Ramdev baba) and hugging him. Why is this? Why is it okay to curse and give lanaat on our Mazoon of 50 years, whom we have given our oath of allegiance for many years, son of Syedna Taher Saifuddin, half brother and, a trusted companion of Syedna Burhanudeen and uncle to Mufaddal moula?? Why is acceptable to curse or family but embrace our enemies? Our mazoon is no longer considered to be a mumin and has apparently “left the path of haqq” and has become an overnight “enemy”; any contact with him and his followers, whom were our Mumin bhaio and bheno until just s few days ago, is strictly forbidden. Yet we see our leaders meeting with people who have been strictly forbidden for us for many many years and for a legitimate reason. I kindly request that, someone please shed some light on this issue. In my mind I don’t find any justification for this, it seems to me to be just a political move. But why banish our own family members and our deen and imaan and divide a strong peace loving community such as the Bohras for political reasons? Is this what our dawat is based on? Is this what we were taught and raised to believe, not only as Mumins, but as Muslims? That, it is okay to compromise our deen for political gains? I truly believe this is the time for us to all think about the true haqq. We need to think about the current situation with a great deal of reasonableness and take an educated stock of events and not be like a herd of sheep that blindly follow a shepard. We have been blessed by Allah to be creatures blessed with intellect to think and have the ability to use our minds and not using these God given gifts would be an insult to our creator. I would like to just leave everyone with this Quranic ayah which discusses that how most human beings will follow the illusions built by our emotions; “Have you seen the one who has taken his ego as his god? Will you be a caretaker over him?” [25:43] and when it comes to following our ancestors: “Follow what God has sent you. And they say, No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing. But what if their fathers did not understand anything and were not guided?” [2:170]. I pray that we as a family can speak, learn and help each other to reach the path of the true haqq. My intention was not to hurt anyone’s feelings but to speak my mind and if in the process I did hurt anyone I truly apologize.



Bigger
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Bigger » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:02 am

Huzur..Aapki baat mein hi aapka Javab hai.. Jesa ki aapne farmaya, esa mehsus hota hai ke apne insaf kar diya hai ke haqq kaha or batin kaha.

S. Mufaddal sirf Musalmano ke dushmano se mil rahe hai, aapne farmaya, hamne dekha wo har uss shaks se mil rahe hai jo Taziyat ke liye aa rahe hai.. fir chahe woh kisi bhi mazhab ke ho, Jese wo shia ithnaashari imaam se bhi mile hai, Hindustan ke mukhtalif tabakat ke mukhtalif peshwa/leadaro se bhi mile hai..Jese S. Mohammad Burhanuddin (RA) mila karte the. sirf Baba ramdev, or shivsena ke leader, Modi vaghera ko highlight nahi kariye.. Ham logo ne hamesha har deen or har mazhab ke logo se ta'alluqat rakhe hai ye usi ka muzahera hai. Or S. Mohammad ko aaj jo Log yaad karte hai unki issi khassiyat ki vajah se yaad karte hai, Tafarruka bazi(Firka parasti) se dushmano ki tadad badhti hai or jo haalaat aaj dusre mulko ke hai or Mazahib ke hai, danishmandi yahi hai jo Aaj S. Mufaddal Kar rahe hai. Warna to hamare dushman jitne Muslim hai utne to hindu bhi nahi hai. Gaur farmaiyega aaj Dunia mein Musalmano ko sabse bada khatra musalmano se hi hai. Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Somaliya, Mali etc. aap chahe jaha nazar kariye, meri baat ki daleel dikhayi degi.
Kyunki aap ko yeh samajh nahi aata ke jo Mazoon Hua karte the 50 saalo se, unhe ham kyu ab tehkir kar rahe hai, to yeh wo vajah hai jis Vajah se Rasul allah (SA) ke chacha Abu Lahab ke liye Allah ne farmaya, "Tabbat yada Abi Lahabyun wa tabb". yeh wo vajah hai jis ke liye tamame duniya Iblees ko hakeer kehti hai, wo farishta hua karta tha, jisne hazaro saal aala martabe mein rehte huve allah ki tamam khidmaat ki, par jab allah ke hukum par mukhalif hua to Shaitan ka sardar hua.

Mein tedhi medhi bato ka mureed nahi hu. bas yehi kehta hu.

Haqq vahi hai jo samne hai or khul kar dikhayi deta hai.
Jo Mohabbat ki buniyaad par shahadat deta hai.
Mohabbat hai to har jagah par Allah ki tajalli hai or nafrat
mein har pal shaitan dikhayi deta hai.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AMAFHH » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:58 am

Bhai Bigger,
Mufaddal Bhai apni Hukumat stable kernay ke liye sab politicians se Mil rahe hai ,
Aur kaun se Ithnasheri Imam se Ye milay hai ? zara batyeega
Modi, Raj Thackray ,Shradpawar ya Phir ramdev ye sabhi Musalmano ke liye koee acchay politican Sabit nahi huay hay
STS ho Ya SMB ya phir,SMS sabhi na appnay Unislamic practises ko duniya se Chuupaanay ke liye har Corrupt aur zaalim politicians se Dosti rakhi hai , kiya ye sab Rasoollah(S.A.W.W) aur ahulbayt (A.s) ki Teachings thee ?
Apko Musalmano se khatra isliye lag raha hai kiyunki Bohri's ki leadership ne in 100 years main unhe islam aur Ahlulbayt(A.s) ki teachings bataya he Nahi



Bigger
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Bigger » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:44 pm

yeh kuch tasveerein hai aap khud dekhiye.. Ithnaashri imaam or bhi hazarat moujud hai. Aap ne agar aankho par hara chashma lagaya hai to aapko sab kuch hara dikhayi dega, isme kasoor aapki aankho ka nahi hai.

Ye na kaho ke meri gardan ka mein malik hoon
Jab maut ko paoge to yeh yaad aayenge
aur
Ye sab baato mein ulajh kar zaaya na kar
Tujhe jo virasat mein mili hai daulat imaan ki
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Perls of Wisdom

#220

Unread post by mumin_bhai » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:23 pm

So much contradiction!
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:58 pm

The misaq ceremony in Surat was held amidst much fanfare today and in one of the Masjid, a posse of 2 Shahi Bhikaris were stationed at the gate with 2 big Jhollas, 1 was for salam (money) for MS and the other for salam (money) of the local Amil, Muder who happens to be the Saadubhai of MS. Needless to say that every bohra entering the Masjid was compelled to put envelopes in the Jhollas as they were being scanned and watched over !!



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by voice » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:49 pm

Bigger wrote:yeh kuch tasveerein hai aap khud dekhiye.. Ithnaashri imaam or bhi hazarat moujud hai. Aap ne agar aankho par hara chashma lagaya hai to aapko sab kuch hara dikhayi dega, isme kasoor aapki aankho ka nahi hai.

Ye na kaho ke meri gardan ka mein malik hoon
Jab maut ko paoge to yeh yaad aayenge
aur
Ye sab baato mein ulajh kar zaaya na kar
Tujhe jo virasat mein mili hai daulat imaan ki
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Well undoubtedly, this taziyat meetings with so called leaders has become more of "power-show", therefore even images and clippings of such meetings with there speeches full of exaggeration in the praise of SMB co-relating to SMS are used to influence common Bohra masses, Politicians, Media etc.

The reality behind this show can be very well understood if one sees using intellect. Anyone can be deceived by using strength of blind followers. So, are the above leaders but it would be worth to consider there respect if they show there inclination towards learning and accepting Islam. Did any of the Muslim leader converted to Bohri?



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by pheonix » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:42 pm

voice wrote:
Bigger wrote:yeh kuch tasveerein hai aap khud dekhiye.. Ithnaashri imaam or bhi hazarat moujud hai. Aap ne agar aankho par hara chashma lagaya hai to aapko sab kuch hara dikhayi dega, isme kasoor aapki aankho ka nahi hai.

Ye na kaho ke meri gardan ka mein malik hoon
Jab maut ko paoge to yeh yaad aayenge
aur
Ye sab baato mein ulajh kar zaaya na kar
Tujhe jo virasat mein mili hai daulat imaan ki
01-02-2014-271357-b78x4255resize.jpg
01-02-2014-271359-b78x4300resize.jpg
01-02-2014-271354-b78x4360resize.jpg
Well undoubtedly, this taziyat meetings with so called leaders has become more of "power-show", therefore even images and clippings of such meetings with there speeches full of exaggeration in the praise of SMB co-relating to SMS are used to influence common Bohra masses, Politicians, Media etc.

The reality behind this show can be very well understood if one sees using intellect. Anyone can be deceived by using strength of blind followers. So, are the above leaders but it would be worth to consider there respect if they show there inclination towards learning and accepting Islam. Did any of the Muslim leader converted to Bohri?
When they are shown proofs, they resort to gibberish. See how this thread quietens down after bigger's replies and another thread with some other non issue started



maxthemature
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fitting reply to fraudster's nonsense!

#224

Unread post by maxthemature » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:58 am

Khuzaima’s Press Release

Khuzaima and his followers have repeatedly tried to stake their claim on the moral high ground. The latest development in their smear campaign has seen them directly accuse Syedna Mufaddal SaifuddinTUS of “the basest form of defamation and slander”, whilst they have claimed to be courteous and civil.

How dare they claim to be respectful when they have done nothing but hurl accusations and insults at Moulana through their website, YouTube videos and press releases? Khuzaima has openly prayed la’nat on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin in his videotaped speech going so far as to mention that ‘he will burn in hell’!

In the face of such abuse, has anyone heard Moula utter a single word which is derogatory, abusive or insulting? Has Dawat e Hadiyah issued a single press release slandering him? In fact Vazarat instructed Mumineen, who have been shocked and distressed to learn of his actions, to reign in their emotions and remain in silent prayer!

Khuzaima has lacked even the most basic of human traits and has not let Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin or his family, let alone Mumineen, to mourn in peace. The sheer audacity to make a claim, issue statements in an attempt to secure Dawat’s properties and the activation of a website, all the while when Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin has yet to be buried is beyond comprehension. No matter how spiteful or malevolent, there is no human being, who would not let an orphan and his family be to grieve in peace. He is not fit to even take Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin’s name. He does not deserve to.

Despite the grave nature of the issues at hand and the very personal attacks on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin’s integrity and character, Moula has responded in the most genteel of ways, offering his hand for reconciliation. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS has remained silent, immersed in preserving the memory of father, visiting his tomb everyday and praying for Mumineen and their well-being. This was his only concern and only priority – it was not to “engage in a debate” with a delusional claimant who sought to tarnish the memory of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

Out of reverence for Imam ul Zaman, he conducted waaz mubarak majlis on the occasion of Imam ul Zaman’s Milad last Tuesday, just as Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin did in 1994, when Busaheba, his companion of 60 years passed away yet he held khushi ni majlis and did waaz on the Milad of Rasulullah. This was his first public address since 16th Rabi ul Awal. It was filled with tears and sorrow, as he relived the countless blessings of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin and the heartbreaking events of that fateful Friday. There was no hate-filled torrent of abuse, no call to arms, no rousing speech to retaliate. Instead, born out of the noble upbringing of his father, he displayed a love and affection so profound that even the most hardened souls were softened. He called his uncle to return, referring to him as ‘aap’, recognising the esteemed position he had held for fifty years at the side of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin and said he would embrace him the moment he returned. Where was the “slander”? Where was the “insult”? Where was the “la’nat”? Where was the “defamation”? There can be no comparison, no single parallel with the magnanimity of this Moula.

In spite of such generosity, such immense humanity, Khuzaima, blinded by his delusional claims, ‘outrightly rejected’ this gesture of kindness by a harshly-worded press release. Khuzaima says that it was Shahzada Qaidjoher bhaisaheb who ‘rescinded’ a request for an appointment; nothing could be further from the truth. Any and all requests to meet were rejected by Khuzaima up front.

Even if he had decided to reject Moula’s gesture, why resort to public venting? Moula did not extend his offer through the media, but rather in the private setting of a majlis of Mumineen. He could have discretely sent his rejection. He chose to issue a press release precisely with the intention to blame and shame, to slander and humiliate – not that he ever could. It is he who is guilty of all the allegations he’s made against Moula. It is his actions, his caustic press releases which aims “to destroy the legacy” of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

It has been the tradition that when a Dai passes, a majlis is convened for forty consecutive days from the day of his passing. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin has diligently, along with thousands of Mumineen, been presiding over these majalis on a daily basis. How can Khuzaima or his ilk claim to know what is said during these congregations? Is he there when thousands gather to catch a glimpse of their Moula as he gives salaami like his Moula before him over the bridge? Is he there when Moula kneels before the qabr mubaraks of both Moulas, head bowed in piety? Is he there to lay the wreaths of flowers on the qabr mubarak? Is he there to pray Quran along with the thousands who have gathered? Is he there in Syedna Taher Saifuddin’s masjid to hear Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin grieve on his father and the father of a million, as he expounds the virtues of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin? Is he there when the masjid and all who have congregated engage in matam and shed tears on Imam Hussain? Is he there when members of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin’s family recount personal experiences of his affection? Is he there when mumineen stand in unison behind Moula to offer their namaaz?

No. He relinquished that privilege the moment he walked out on Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin. Yet he has the insolence to claim that these daily commemorations have “degenerated into hate-sessions” without having attended a single one! It is he who is filled with hate and burning envy which fuel his insanity.

He has again and again berated and belittled Mumineen as illiterate, overcharged zealots whilst he and his like have claimed to be courteous and civil. Let not appearances and false pretences draw away from the gravity of what they have done.

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA meant the world to mumineen. His passing away has rocked Mumineen to their core. His Mansoos, Syedna Mufaddal SaifuddinTUS holds equal status in the hearts of all his devoted followers. When Moula’s RA ghusl has still not been undertaken, his body still unburied, Khuzaima initiated his vendetta against Syedna Mufaddal SaifuddinTUS. At such a time when Mumineen are engulfed in their grief at the loss of a Moula who was their meaning in life, Khuzaima cannot expect any other reaction from mumineen. Mumineen have been left flabbergasted and shocked by his actions.

From mumineen’s perspective they have attacked Haq na Saheb, slandered him and falsely accussed him with a whole series of spurious claims. This is considered heresy and a sin akin to murder. It is a direct offensive on the core tenets of our faith and a direct act of aggression on hundreds of thousands of mumineen.

Hence, mumineen are compelled by their own faith and mohabbat for Moula to voice in the strongest possible terms, their disdain and contempt at the actions of Khuzaima. If they voice ‘la’nat’ then it is nothing but a spontaneous reaction to what he has done, not because they have been told to do so but because it is a byproduct of their faith. There are no conspiracy or orchestrated “hate-sessions” which are encouraging Mumineen to attribute la’nat to Khuzaima. Such ideas just stem from Khuzaima’s band of conspiracy theorists.

The definition of la’nat and its derivative, ‘mal’oon’, is one who is distanced from ‘rehmat’. As Syedna Ali bin Mohammed bin WaleedRA states, it is the Dai Mutlaq who is the ‘rehmat of Al Rahman’. Khuzaima left Syedna Mohammed BurhanuddinRA at Saifee Mahal of his own accord. No one forced him. He distanced himself from both Moulas and hence if Mumineen are proclaiming la’nat on him, they are just stating the obvious truth. Haq is truth whose embodiment is the Dai and as followers of Haq, they are merely voicing the facts.

He claims that Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and his family “took advantage of a severe debilitating stroke”, yet not once did he pay a visit to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin after his stroke or enquire in any way as to his health. He is no position at all to comment on the causes, effects and degree of the stroke. He claims that a “unilateral and untenable” claim was made by Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin. Yes, it was unilateral – it was the sole, unilateral decision and decree of the 52nd Dai Mutlaq on instruction from Imam ul Zaman on five carefully documented, recorded, witnessed and attested occasions, proof of which is there for anyone who sincerely wishes to know the truth.

If Khuzaima genuinely felt anything for the children of Dawat, he would not have acted in this way or issue press releases. It is his actions that attempt to “tear away at the very fabric of our faith” – not Moula’s.


A well drafted answer,
few of u nonbhoris here wud still keep barking just for the heck of it! Syedna aaliqadar mola tus long live!and hope taufeeq thai to whatever few people left over here!ameen!



JC
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Re: fitting reply to fraudster's nonsense!

#225

Unread post by JC » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:02 am

Maxi,

For power and money these Kotharis will even sell their Grandmother in Bhindi Bazar ....!!! this is ALL for POWER and MONEY ............ Religion left Dawat LONG LONG back ........... now this is Dawat for Dead and Mortal Worship.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#226

Unread post by trvoice » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:44 pm

@maxthemature

Went through your carefully written defense, but it all sounds like a political campaign. For most here who do not know a very well planned consipiracy has been in the work by YN & Sons Inc, under the guidlines of YN for the past 30+ years.

Under those guidlines
1. Most mid age brothers and sisters here might remember that they used to had duo pictures of SMB & KQ together side by side. Those were eliminated systematically
2. YN & Sons camp has always threatened with violence, mental abuse and other tactics
3. KQ was slowly and steadily barred from coming everywhere, except where he had stronghold. If anyone remember malik uster openly challenging KQ in bombay saifee masjid in ramazan "ehni majaal bawaji saheb paase aawine to batawi di"
4. If MS cannot control his followers he ain't no leader. But did he ever even apologize for behaviour of his "emotionally charged" followers ? NO
5. If the laanat sessions were not authorized, who is responsible for the world wide campaigns. Who organized the azaad maidaan campaign, who organized the blank paper signing campaign. Ofcourse not the common mumineen, but the chain of command and someone authorized to do this without consequences. Again why did MS not man up and apologize on behalf of the community as a leader
6. Last I saw "gangs armed with re-bar" were deployed outside Raudat Tahera to stop and permanently eliminate KQ.
7. Its a lie that KQ stopped coming and left SMB. He never did, he was barred. And one good example was seen in Surat city a few years back where some guards started physical confrontation. There are witness to that event and seen the whole drama for next 3-4 hours.

There can be a million other points that can be brought up. But I am sure as soon as logical arguments start MS defendants vanish in thin air.



maxthemature
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#227

Unread post by maxthemature » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:09 pm

Just 3-4 lines of yours in my above message posted wud rubbish the nonsense u have written complete cock and bull
And its but obvious u haven't read the whole thing so still going on
About same old crap
And by the way admin deleted my post from main page cuz everybody
Knows what the truth is and don't want ppl reading it and goin away frm
This chatroom!



SBM
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#228

Unread post by SBM » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:15 pm

maxethenmature
Answer a simple question
Was SMB as Dai an infallible and how do you explain a HINDU person telling the world that SMB told him in his dream about the NUSS, Do you believe a HINDU or a Mazoon for whom you had taken Misaq and people in your family who passed away carry his name in RUKKU CHITTI
Simple Question: IS HINDU MORE BELIEVABLE OR A MAZOON WHOSE NAME IS ON THE RUKKU CHITTI OF YOUR DEAD RELATIVES?



trvoice
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#229

Unread post by trvoice » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:32 pm

maxthemature wrote:Just 3-4 lines of yours in my above message posted wud rubbish the nonsense u have written complete cock and bull
And its but obvious u haven't read the whole thing so still going on
About same old crap
And by the way admin deleted my post from main page cuz everybody
Knows what the truth is and don't want ppl reading it and goin away frm
This chatroom!
You see how you guys respond to facts. Whenever presented with facts, you abdes resort to gaali galoch and laanats and there is no limit. Hell MS does not even care about 18 dead bohra's over, no statement, no apology nothing. This "holier than thou" attitude will be shattered soon.
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ghulam muhammed
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:36 pm

SBM wrote:Simple Question: IS HINDU MORE BELIEVABLE OR A MAZOON WHOSE NAME IS ON THE RUKKU CHITTI OF YOUR DEAD RELATIVES?
Off Course a hindu is more credible then even the extreme die hard abde !! Don't you see how Hindus like Modi, Thackerey, Advani, Ambani, Baba Ramdev, Raj Thackerey etc are given 5 star treatment as compared to abdes who are humiliated and treated like Harijans by any tom, dick and harry zaadas and zaadis in Saifee Mahal !



Bohra spring
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:43 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
SBM wrote:Simple Question: IS HINDU MORE BELIEVABLE OR A MAZOON WHOSE NAME IS ON THE RUKKU CHITTI OF YOUR DEAD RELATIVES?
Off Course a hindu is more credible then even the extreme die hard abde !! Don't you see how Hindus like Modi, Thackerey, Advani, Ambani, Baba Ramdev, Raj Thackerey etc are given 5 star treatment as compared to abdes who are humiliated and treated like Harijans by any tom, dick and harry zaadas and zaadis in Saifee Mahal !
Gmbhai not only that an abde has a rumal to shield the supreme skin

As recently in udaipur I watched how the Zadas we're pushing away the poor Abdes when they tried to do dedar

So an outsider who may have just gone to the toilet and who knows he washed his hands, is okay to hug and shake hands, but a mumin has to have wazoo and not even get to have any bodily contact

Can you imagine a person with skin trouble like the one who met the pope turned up

Yet Abdes trample over each other to even have an eye contact



yuzarsif
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:40 am

SBM wrote: Simple Question: IS HINDU MORE BELIEVABLE OR A MAZOON WHOSE NAME IS ON THE RUKKU CHITTI OF YOUR DEAD RELATIVES?
SBM Bhai,
From now onward they will put the name of this HINDU bhai in Rukoo chitti...



Maqbool
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Maqbool » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:19 am

Have you noticed in the appeal to KQbs video Mbs says " Amara bavaji ye sikhavyu che ke game evu tamaru dil dukhave bas maf karido"

Then why in Mbs last visit he has not excepted the Udaipuries in the fold without any apology. And why he has taken a way to galigaloch! Hathi ke dikhane ke dat alag hai aur khane ke!



AgnosticTheist
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:29 am

@ maxthemature - Hum mumino ney kya gunah kiye the ke SMB kaafiro ke sapno mein aane lage?



seeker110
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by seeker110 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:37 am

Because regular people are questioning those miracles.



M Taha
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by M Taha » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:58 am

Prophet Muhammad (s)


Whoever sees me in a dream then surely he has seen me for Satan cannot impersonate me Bukhari 1:110, Narrated Abu Huraira


now I am not sure who did that Hindu man saw in his dream.



tasneempati
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by tasneempati » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:02 am

What is happenning these days is really sad for our community. There are lot of mud slinging & lies being spread from all sides. We just pray to Allah to make things straight for our community.



SBM
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:45 pm

Never seen such a TAMASHA of condolences , From the photo you can see how some of the people look bored and feel like they were forced to sit at the table, Seems like this is new mode of grieving for Syedna, Mataam has been replaced with flower and nice table setting.

http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=haWSxz4J
Some one clapping instead of beating their chest for the condolences
http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=waz99Uwm
http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=oomg-Snz



AgnosticIndian
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:51 pm

SBM wrote:Never seen such a TAMASHA of condolences , From the photo you can see how some of the people look bored and feel like they were forced to sit at the table, Seems like this is new mode of grieving for Syedna, Mataam has been replaced with flower and nice table setting.

http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=haWSxz4J
Some one clapping instead of beating their chest for the condolences
http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=waz99Uwm
http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=oomg-Snz
Empty chairs? They didn't issue Farman to come with ITS and fill up the auditorium?



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:00 am

SBM wrote:Never seen such a TAMASHA of condolences , From the photo you can see how some of the people look bored and feel like they were forced to sit at the table, Seems like this is new mode of grieving for Syedna, Mataam has been replaced with flower and nice table setting.

http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=haWSxz4J
Some one clapping instead of beating their chest for the condolences
http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=waz99Uwm
http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default ... k=oomg-Snz

Wow SBM bhai, your powers of deduction astound me... you would surely put sherlock to shame :)

1. I think its obvious that this was not organized by anyone from the Dawoodi Bohra community, but by the Markaz Imam Hussain Council. Which would explain why there are a lot of non-Dawoodi Bohras there.

2. Yes, nice table setting. Of course. You dont expect them to lay out a rickety old bench and khatiya's do you??????? It's part of the podium, in the auditorium, in the club!!!!!!! :roll:

3. Do you even know who it is that is clapping his hand, and even why??????? I bet you dont!!!!! I can bet you a wager that he is clapping at the achievement of Aqa Maula. Obviously that is what got your goat and made you so JEALOUS :evil:

4. People looking bored????? Bhai, how DO you manage to decipher soooooo much from a single pic???? You have to teach me this techniqe of yours, hare-brained as it is, will be lots of fun

Why are you bent on destroying your good reputation here by posting such crap is beyond me