Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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humanbeing
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#961

Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:10 am

yuzarsif wrote:Shaanat of SMS:
2) He can take 35 jiyafat in 2 hours ( World Record)!
That is wrong ! In last Kuwait Visit, SMS had approximately covered 65 Ziyafats in 2 hours and around 10 – 12 nikaahs in another 1 hour !



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:23 am

humanbeing wrote:
yuzarsif wrote:Shaanat of SMS:
2) He can take 35 jiyafat in 2 hours ( World Record)!
That is wrong ! In last Kuwait Visit, SMS had approximately covered 65 Ziyafats in 2 hours and around 10 – 12 nikaahs in another 1 hour !
he will break this record also ..153 Ziyafat in 53 minutes!



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

#963

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:46 pm

SKQ AND MS OF IRAN !!

Khamenei, Rouhani clash on women’s role in society

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z2zkSwHAax



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:11 pm

Long long time ago I had seen this poem on the internet, don't know who wrote it. but it speaks volume about women,s worthiness in men.s life. Men can not and will not survive without them.

In Praise of Women

She may be afraid of a wasp and scream at the sight of a mouse
But she will tackle Sikandar, Napoleon of a husband alone in the house
She may have a Sikandar, Napoleon for a husband, who conquered the world
They stood-up to the great armies of the world but were submissives in the house

Men have created myths of her physical and mental weakness out of jealousy
Jealousy because women can do anything a man can and still reproduce
Reproduction is not the only thing but women are better in other ways
They are more focused, pragmatic, socially aware and know how to seduce

Focus on their smooth hairless skin with attractive curves at your own peril
Underneath that smooth skins lie the stainless steel nerves through which lava flows
It all stays soft and cuddly until the time when needed then it surely blows
Ever heard of papa bear protecting his cubs? never underestimate a mama bear

Talking about nerves of steel and lava courage the name Maolatena Fatima comes to mind
She stood up boldly and spoke eloquently when Maola Ali was taken away against his will
She spoke the facts so clearly and eloquently the crowd was ready to change their mind
She was escorted out from the hall so the usurpers of khilafat can do what they will

The nerves of steel, and the lava courage comes into action only when provoked
We all saw that in action in karbala and shaam in the person of Maolatena Zainab
What she did so naturally in time of adversity no man can do with best effort
Husain Imam knew not to leave next imam under anyone’s care but of Maolatena Zainab

When Imam Mustansir needed a combination of nerves of steel, lava courage and wisdom
There were other men around, but he found that combination only in maolatena Hurratul Maleka
She gave sabaqs to future Dai(s) from behind the curtain and fought battles to save her kingdom
Can we imagine where we would be without Maolatena(s) Fatima, Zainab & Hurratul Maleka

There would be no United States of America today if it were not for Betty Zane at Fort Henry
When it ran out of gunpowder and was under attack by the American Indians and British army
But who should volunteer to get more in spite of many brave soldiers around at Fort Henry
Little perils they may fear, in great perils they show a front of iron, as did Betty Zane at Fort Henry

Men accomplish things with brute force; women are decidedly different in their modus operandi
They may yell and scream in their meetings but at the end they hug & kiss and feel quite dandy
Men like to dominate, subjugate and decimate, women are consensus builders and congenial
I can see why men love women, but I can’t understand why women love men for the life of me

Men are such egotists, they think they chose for wife a woman of their dream
His choice hangs by a bare thread until she stamps her approval, remember that Abdul Karim
It is not just among the birds and the bees but in humans too, it is the females who decide
Who they will marry, how often, where, and when they will mate and where they will reside

Men think that the world revolves around them, in reality women are it’s dhari1
A house doesn’t feel like a home without a woman’s touch, whether or not she is hoor pari
If it was not for woman’s soothing words & soft touch, men would kill each other off
Thank Allah, He made women such that they accept us ignoring our blemishes and ugly faults

Every woman in every age is potentially as great and as strong as all those in history
They hold their energies back until the occasion calls them into actions of bravery
Their vanity is limited to their looks, otherwise our history would have been hertory
Men should stop these myths about women, without them there is no human history

In our immediate past we had a woman with steely nerves, great knowledge and a soft heart
She published sahifa, and many other doa siparis and a shaheedana and presented to the Dai
There were quite a few like her among Aai’s but this one was our own Amatullah Aai
She prayed and taught us to pray for good health and umr-e-Kizar for our beloved Dai

1= Axis



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:15 am

Role of women ..is a long discussion I know I will get into trouble for these comments

My view is women should not be obstructed from equal opportunity but priority of responsibility has to be there whether imposed or understood and self maintained

1 a woman's first duty is to ensure human life goes on...children are made. That is a natural obligation. Of course where it is safe and sustainable. Where not sustainable society needs to help.

2. Mother has to worry about the child's upbringing even if the father is providing money and essentials . Where things are not usual then may be adjust but a mother should not prioritise career over children. There are cases in modern lifestyles where materialism, fame confuses the obligations

3 men have to provide most of his earning to the family or safety of future...not the guy gives pittance in the house ..and throws most of his income to his desires whether they are evil or give it as donations to dawat so he looks good.

4 if the above are difficult, role change is fine, if above are satisfied and there is still time to do what one aspires then so be it.

Regarding women career they should go as high as they can so if the husband is sick dies or leaves they are independent and look after the children. Like wise if the wife is sick the husband should take charge. I know modern lifestyle says marriage is optional and why prioritise family life or worry about husbands , wives and children. Then we are opening to society where family structure is irrelevant . I think that is a whole topic on its own.

Regarding women being naive to be able to do any job is silly there are some jobs even secular western society has difficulty giving acess eg frontline military, heavy manual mining jobs, combative and physical mix gender sports. So let us not mix feminism.

I do agree Muffy looks at women as he has seen women in his family setup.

Women in bohra also need to step up and get out of the slavery.

I have not seen hundreds of bohra women saying no to FGM ....this shows complete lack of responsibility in Bohra women to speak out on very important aspects.



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:57 am

Bohra spring wrote:Mother has to worry about the child's upbringing even if the father is providing money and essentials . Where things are not usual then may be adjust but a mother should not prioritise career over children. There are cases in modern lifestyles where materialism, fame confuses the obligations.
This is where we stereotype women in boxes of responsibility. Taking care of children and their upbringing is a mutual and equal responsibility of parents ( man and wife). Each fulfills their own responsibility in their might. Many argue that demanding careers take away the opportunity from women to pursue motherhood and demanding motherhood does not allow women to be successful at work. Such a situation is created by non-cooperative society and corporate.

We consider maternity / child care / family care as sole responsibility of women or their personal problem. Extending no cooperation or support in this regard. Corporate are dominated with men who does not empathize with women and design policies and work environment which maximum suits to its understanding.

There must be a balance, , flexible policies and environment and great amount of trust in one’s capability to deliver results be it motherhood or career !

In Policy consulting assignments, we have proposed a mutually benefitting clauses for maternity and family care, but few organizations discarded them citing apprehensions to change !

Technology can help a great deal in balancing aspirations of career oriented mothers



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

#967

Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:43 am

MuffatDall will take community to pre-prophet Mohammad and Hindu era.



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by true_bohra » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:49 am

you guys are crying the same thing since Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA time.



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:51 am

Correct Untrue Bohra and graph is constantly showing downwards trend, there is no hope under this family's raj.



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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by true_bohra » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:08 am

What about the graph of reformist. Is it on upward trend...????



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:43 pm

uncle doesnt looks really happy the way he is treated, he must be feeling like tamed puppy who is forced to dance for his master.

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/10477/20140427-3chh-78kb



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:22 am

I was informed by my relatives that they watched muffys video from Jamngar.

The main theme was about the art of making roti it's importance , how the kasreAli are artists in making roti. He moved abdes to tears by this bayan.

Really how inspiring of a leader..his legacy will be mind blowing..his greatest contribution to humankind was improving the 5000 year old roti that was founded in indus civilisation.

What next he will teach us how to cultivate wheat or make charcoal.

How blessed we have such an intelligent leader..or claimant.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:29 am

Bohra spring wrote:I was informed by my relatives that they watched muffys video from Jamngar.

The main theme was about the art of making roti it's importance , how the kasreAli are artists in making roti. He moved abdes to tears by this bayan.

Really how inspiring of a leader..his legacy will be mind blowing..his greatest contribution to humankind was improving the 5000 year old roti that was founded in indus civilisation.

What next he will teach us how to cultivate wheat or make charcoal.

How blessed we have such an intelligent leader..or claimant.
abdes dont cry when they see some zulm on momeen, but they do cry watching silly videos.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:12 pm

Muffy is at present in Ahmedabad and there are watsup msgs doing rounds that a Bohra gentleman suffering from diabetes and keen in doing deedar was hit by Muffy's car and his legs were crushed under the wheels. Can anyone from Ahmedabad confirm the news !



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:21 pm

Bushra !!

7 mi Rajab Huzurala tus Umrah ni safar waaste padharse !

13, 14, 15 DUBAI ma thaase Insha Allah.

watsup msg.

NOW ITS TIME TO COLLECT PETRO DOLLARS !!



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:48 pm

Watsup msg :

Bushra, bushra !!

Bohra Masjid is converted into cinema hall where 16 mi raate Karbala Sharif ni CD batavi ema Yemeni logo no DANCE hato. We are all cowards, koi bhi boltu nathi to stop this nonsense. The same CD was shown in Mawaid during Burhanuddin Mola's hayaati.

Converting Masjid into Cinema cannot be Bushra for us. Its a sad news.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:08 pm

Watsup msg :

Unfortunate events have unfolded in the Dawoodi Bohra community. Nothing of this stature has happened in the past few centuries which divided the community further into Alavi sect, also known as Alia Bohras whose Dai resides in Baroda. It has to be noted that the Alavi Dai is also from the same family. Schisms in the community have been created only by the blood relatives of the Dai at his death thus ensuring power and money remains in the same family. This makes us to view the possibility that these succession fights are a mere eyewash for the community to ensure the family's survival by eliminating any other contenders. Do not forget that the Alavi Mazun was one of the first to accept the new Syedna Mufaddal in a packed Majlis presided by Mufaddal saab. The Alavi mazun recited eulogies felicitating the new Dawoodi Dai. This proves blood is thicker.

However the common bohra folk are made to severe ties with anyone from the other faction. Unfortunately these rules do not apply to the Dais family. Anyone showing sympathy to SKQ camp is not only publicly threatened but also humiliated with distorted pictures on social media. Family ties have to be broken like the forced mass divorces of Udaipur. But the Dai's family remains safe from these break ups. As just witnessed, the 2 daughters of SKQ who were married in Mufaddal saab's household have abandoned their husbands to support SKQ. Not only that, these 2 sisters and their children have publicly announced their views. Yet they remain happily married without any fear of a stigmatic forced divorce. This shows the double standards of the Dai's family. Rubbishing any claims of divinity the position he holds.

It is for the meek followers to understand the dirty politics played by a single family that has amassed enormous wealth by false claims and unislamic practices. This family has misused Islam, made a mockery of Imam Hussain's martyrdom by creating a tamasha for 10 days at different locales. Wake up and look around. Where is the Tauheed ?? This family is leading you to human worship. Just yesterday the Dai claimed that he could see his father performing Matam in the grave. Wow !! Such powers would put P.C.Sorcar to shame. However the same Dai forgot to apprehend that his daughters in law would go to SKQ camp with his own grand children !!



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:31 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Bushra !!

7 mi Rajab Huzurala tus Umrah ni safar waaste padharse !

13, 14, 15 DUBAI ma thaase Insha Allah.

watsup msg.

NOW ITS TIME TO COLLECT PETRO DOLLARS !!
It is high time now, i would to call upon a highly profiled and adverse person to inform the right authorities in U.A.E to prevent or bar Muffadal Saab to come and visit this country as a 53rd Dai al mutlaq. Make it his first and last time and teach him a lesson for treason which he has done with the rightful successor of SMB(RA).



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:41 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:Bushra !!

7 mi Rajab Huzurala tus Umrah ni safar waaste padharse !

13, 14, 15 DUBAI ma thaase Insha Allah.

watsup msg.

NOW ITS TIME TO COLLECT PETRO DOLLARS !!
It is high time now, i would to call upon a highly profiled and adverse person to inform the right authorities in U.A.E to prevent or bar Muffadal Saab to come and visit this country as a 53rd Dai al mutlaq. Make it his first and last time and teach him a lesson for treason which he has done with the rightful successor of SMB(RA).
keep us updated bro.

kick ass muffy



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by bohrikaka » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:36 pm

Pertaining to bro Ghulam Muhammed post about whatsapp mesg. ----- Both the current Alavi Dawat and DB dawat are hypocrites. Zulkaranain the son of Alavi dai had made a huge hue and cry on this forum when MS had said about tauhfeeq to Alavi jamat. This same Zulqarnain and his toli sent countless lanats on MS and now suddenly his brother mazoon is praising MS and asking his compassion,height of double standards. Both Alavi and DB dai are fooling guilible bohras.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by bohrikaka » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:45 pm

Wish all bohras alavi/db and others unite against this tyranny in the name of dawat of Imam az Zaman as.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:11 am

I can't be believe so many educated morons cant see cheat and idiot in Muffy...all are highly educated, but it seems they lost their brain in sabaqs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyzyIwIRbrA

now I am assure education doesn't means intelligence.... :roll:

"bhanya pun samjha nathi" no wonder most successful people are undergraduates.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#983

Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:36 pm

the video contradicts with muffi statement (especially ladies) which says bairao ne roti banavu joie, topi guthvi joie, home science levu joie, blah blah ... i didnt understood reason for promoting this video. Is he trying to cover the guilt?



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:01 pm

mustansir_g wrote:the video contradicts with muffi statement (especially ladies) which says bairao ne roti banavu joie, topi guthvi joie, home science levu joie, blah blah ... i didnt understood reason for promoting this video. Is he trying to cover the guilt?
yes its a promotion to show that he also has educated laundis/slaves in his rajya.




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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by seeker110 » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:55 pm

It took all these years for Mola's mother to make a decent man out of him, and than he opens his mouthto make a fool of her.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#987

Unread post by Alamdaar » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:44 am

tailor made trains?

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/10477/20140429-uqgs-97kb

I never saw such trains in India.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#988

Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:29 am

Muffy's is flying to Saudi Arabia for Umra on 7th of Rajab. Preparation has been started. It is learned that government authorities are also preparing themselves to stop any kind of Shirk and tamasha during his visit.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#989

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:16 am

Government should not let him enter as a representative of dawoodi bohras as the case is still pending in the Bombay High court India. There are two claimants for this position and until the law comes up with any judgement. At the moment no one has proved their original succession evidence. So Hussai_KSA please inform the authority if he is coming as a representative leader of this community.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ponga bhori » Thu May 01, 2014 7:48 am

mustansir_g wrote:
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moula tus ma arz kidi ke platform per saglu bethwanu intezaam kidu che to te waqt phatak bund hatu moula tus karam farmawi gaari ma si utri ne phatak na niche si jhukine phatak cross kari padhara ajab ahsaan moula tus taake ziyada waqt aapi saka ane mumineen qadambos thaya viramgam

source: Whatsapp

Watch this :
http://youtu.be/bZUBcwBoSxo