Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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natkhat pari
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Re: su tame ordinary person samjue chue smb ne

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Tue May 20, 2014 6:55 am

Court case are fought on evidence not on emotion MB bs can emotionally black mail ordinary people but he has to produce hard evidence for start produce medical reports as condition of aka mola is already infront of world after vedio relay of hospital .prove it medically and win case

Dr Fatema
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Dr Fatema » Tue May 20, 2014 6:55 am

maxthemature wrote:Learn the facts and don't bark from the middle of bayaan clips
See how previous dai and imaams have sternly
Waged a war against the kaafirs like reformist!
Syedna muffadal saifuddin mola tus has not even started yet...
The day mola will reformist gina chuna few morons will dissappear just
Like ajgar engineer snaked has dissappered and burning in hell
Pls get ur facts right and educate little bit abt udaipur
And what has happened and what has not
Ideots! Yess reformist r no less than laeen shimar!
And well all the audio video proof was for few qutbi bhoras
Correct its not for reformist by any means doesn't make
Any difference!
Keeep barking!!!!
What I learned from my husband is that SMS has send invitation to Bohra Youth in Udaipur to join mainstream bohras & most of them are willing to accept it.

Saeed al Khair
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Re: su tame ordinary person samjue chue smb ne

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Unread post by Saeed al Khair » Tue May 20, 2014 8:51 am

Read Haqaiq Sabaq points of Mufaddal Saifuddin Dawedaar
1). Mamlooke Aale Muhammed Lailat ul Qadr Ma Nazil Thayu Chun,
2). Jibrael Maru Naam Laee Ne Dadajee Saheb Syedna Taher Saifuddin Na Ghurfah Mubarakah Ma Aya, Takiyya Na Nechu Chatthi Nakhi, Moula Jiyare Utha anay Juyu Tu Likho Hatun "Aaliqadr Mufaddal".
3). My mother prayed Namaz after my delivery on the same day as No Nifaas signs were found.
4). Aalam ul Ibda Nu Faiz Mari Taraf Mari Waladat Na Waqt Si Jari Chey.
5). Ilah ul Ard Mey Chun.
6). Syedna Taher Saifuddin Mara Jama Ma Pacha Aya Chey
7). Mumin Wafaat Thaee Ehna Baad Darajaat Ma Mey Ehney Baland Karoo Choon

Being_Bohra
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Re: su tame ordinary person samjue chue smb ne

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Unread post by Being_Bohra » Tue May 20, 2014 8:55 am

Saeed al Khair wrote:Read Haqaiq Sabaq points of Mufaddal Saifuddin Dawedaar
1). Mamlooke Aale Muhammed Lailat ul Qadr Ma Nazil Thayu Chun,
2). Jibrael Maru Naam Laee Ne Dadajee Saheb Syedna Taher Saifuddin Na Ghurfah Mubarakah Ma Aya, Takiyya Na Nechu Chatthi Nakhi, Moula Jiyare Utha anay Juyu Tu Likho Hatun "Aaliqadr Mufaddal".
3). My mother prayed Namaz after my delivery on the same day as No Nifaas signs were found.
4). Aalam ul Ibda Nu Faiz Mari Taraf Mari Waladat Na Waqt Si Jari Chey.
5). Ilah ul Ard Mey Chun.
6). Syedna Taher Saifuddin Mara Jama Ma Pacha Aya Chey
7). Mumin Wafaat Thaee Ehna Baad Darajaat Ma Mey Ehney Baland Karoo Choon

Is this what he proclaims? It is sending shivers down my spine...

Sufi monk
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Re: su tame ordinary person samjue chue smb ne

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Tue May 20, 2014 9:06 am

Saeed al Khair wrote:Read Haqaiq Sabaq points of Mufaddal Saifuddin Dawedaar
1). Mamlooke Aale Muhammed Lailat ul Qadr Ma Nazil Thayu Chun,
2). Jibrael Maru Naam Laee Ne Dadajee Saheb Syedna Taher Saifuddin Na Ghurfah Mubarakah Ma Aya, Takiyya Na Nechu Chatthi Nakhi, Moula Jiyare Utha anay Juyu Tu Likho Hatun "Aaliqadr Mufaddal".
3). My mother prayed Namaz after my delivery on the same day as No Nifaas signs were found.
4). Aalam ul Ibda Nu Faiz Mari Taraf Mari Waladat Na Waqt Si Jari Chey.
5). Ilah ul Ard Mey Chun.
6). Syedna Taher Saifuddin Mara Jama Ma Pacha Aya Chey
7). Mumin Wafaat Thaee Ehna Baad Darajaat Ma Mey Ehney Baland Karoo Choon
this is most ridiculous thing I have ever read :shock:

if muffy will say all this things in court, I am sure judge will ROFL on his bench. :mrgreen: he might also send muffy in asylum.

even prophet(s) has not claimed such tall claims. :!:

natkhat pari
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Re: su tame ordinary person samjue chue smb ne

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Tue May 20, 2014 9:12 am

Saeed al Khair wrote:Read Haqaiq Sabaq points of Mufaddal Saifuddin Dawedaar
1). Mamlooke Aale Muhammed Lailat ul Qadr Ma Nazil Thayu Chun,
2). Jibrael Maru Naam Laee Ne Dadajee Saheb Syedna Taher Saifuddin Na Ghurfah Mubarakah Ma Aya, Takiyya Na Nechu Chatthi Nakhi, Moula Jiyare Utha anay Juyu Tu Likho Hatun "Aaliqadr Mufaddal".
3). My mother prayed Namaz after my delivery on the same day as No Nifaas signs were found.
4). Aalam ul Ibda Nu Faiz Mari Taraf Mari Waladat Na Waqt Si Jari Chey.
5). Ilah ul Ard Mey Chun.
6). Syedna Taher Saifuddin Mara Jama Ma Pacha Aya Chey
7). Mumin Wafaat Thaee Ehna Baad Darajaat Ma Mey Ehney Baland Karoo Choon
Make afidavet and attached it with they reply field by Qj bs constitued artorney o

natkhat pari
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Re: su tame ordinary person samjue chue smb ne

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Tue May 20, 2014 9:23 am

Kindly make list of super natural power of MS bs and submit in court
1) can talk with dead brother
2) can hear conversation of imam hussain horse
3) can talk with snakes
Add any other atlest 53 pt

fustrate_Bohra
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Tue May 20, 2014 9:53 am

Dr Fatema wrote:
maxthemature wrote:Learn the facts and don't bark from the middle of bayaan clips
See how previous dai and imaams have sternly
Waged a war against the kaafirs like reformist!
Syedna muffadal saifuddin mola tus has not even started yet...
The day mola will reformist gina chuna few morons will dissappear just
Like ajgar engineer snaked has dissappered and burning in hell
Pls get ur facts right and educate little bit abt udaipur
And what has happened and what has not
Ideots! Yess reformist r no less than laeen shimar!
And well all the audio video proof was for few qutbi bhoras
Correct its not for reformist by any means doesn't make
Any difference!
Keeep barking!!!!
What I learned from my husband is that SMS has send invitation to Bohra Youth in Udaipur to join mainstream bohras & most of them are willing to accept it.
Insafbhai has mentioned in his thread "Reformists' Ziyarat tours"
"Recently the orthodox Bohras (Shabab) of Udaipur have started coming on their own in Udaipur Masjids and offering namaz under Imamat of Reformist Mulla Sahebs along with reformist Bohras"

Now i think either there is some sort of confusion by ur husband or is something FISHY from MS clan. May be their plan is to do false propoganda that reformist had accepted MS as their leader even though the actual scenario is different.

Rebel
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Rebel » Tue May 20, 2014 11:37 am

MS is just a normal person, he can't do any miracle, all these claims could be acceptable for brain dead and brain washed community members but not from a person who has faculties of five senses. MS and co. has completely gone crazy with these claims...these claims are classic examples of cults, and many of these cults are present in India so these Dais have also devised there own cult.
Even Prophet Muhmmad was a normal human being and never claimed himself as God but these Dais call themselves as Ilah ul Ard. All these claims are irrational and illogical from an individual with demented mind and abnormal psychology.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Humsafar » Tue May 20, 2014 3:37 pm

rational_guy wrote:Udaipur clip

https://vimeo.com/95240110
Wow, this is the divine, infallible Dai? Look at his demeanour, his diction, his body language. Except for the reams of white fluff that surrounds him there is nothing pristine and pure about him. And look at the hordes of white-clad abdes, how they heave-ho at his every word as if he is casting pearls. This is the sorry lot and this is the pathetic leader they deserve. Made for each other, indeed.

The reason why Muffadal is hyperventilating is because reformists refused his fake offer of reconciliation. He was in Udaipur not long before Sayedna Burhanuddin's death. Through newspapers the orthodox put out paid advertisement appealing to reformists to come back, take the misaq etc. There was never any mention of dialogue or of addressing the outstanding issues which reformists have been demanding. Muffadal expected, like his son Taha 15 years back, that reformists will come and fall at his feet. That of course did not happen, hence his frustration and anger. What a fine example he sets for the rest of the community.

See this thread on this Udaipur episode: http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=9039

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue May 20, 2014 4:36 pm

Salgirah Tehniyat Program of Shz Qusai Bs DM (Brother of Muffy) Held at Fatemi Masjid Mumbai on 7mi Rajab ul Asab

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[img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x7 ... 6/7xeo.jpg[/img]

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by rational_guy » Wed May 21, 2014 8:54 am


bohra_manus
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by bohra_manus » Wed May 21, 2014 10:43 am

hbdy.jpg

Humsafar
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Humsafar » Wed May 21, 2014 10:54 am

rational_guy wrote:Twisting of intelligence

http://akhbar.mumineen.org/archive/fate ... -religion/
What they are saying in so many words is, "don't think".

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Wed May 21, 2014 11:29 am

Don't think, feel much, cry big tears over the sentimental crap we dish out. We are becoming a religion of monstrous cakes and crocodile tears.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Mkenya » Wed May 21, 2014 6:19 pm

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

#1067

Unread post by Mkenya » Wed May 21, 2014 6:21 pm

Please ignore!

natkhat pari
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Does MS bs pay income tax or exepted as an NRI

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Thu May 22, 2014 4:46 am

Just wondering does MS bs pay income tax as a citezen of india or is exepmted as hold NRI status.
Is it possible to file an RTI aplication and find what was returned feild last years in income tax dep?

natkhat pari
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Re: Does MS bs pay income tax or exepted as an NRI

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Thu May 22, 2014 6:33 am

Under sec 80( c) all income is tax free for religious charity pourpose. All they receipt issued by jamats are under volentary contrubution..so its goes u.acconted and all money is transfered vai hawalla operater locally and internationally. This money is reinvested in real estates as mentioned in zikra wazz " khuda tamari jamin na karobar ma barakt ape" then ca
Era zooming on QJ bs?

natkhat pari
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Re: Does MS bs pay income tax or exepted as an NRI

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Thu May 22, 2014 6:57 am

1000 + strong Qusrea ali person are either sleeping partners in some bhora firms and industries. They get yearly returns of 20% on investments or big real estate infrastruce companies. As they sure of fixed income they live life of shezadas in real meanings

natkhat pari
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Re: Does MS bs pay income tax or exepted as an NRI

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Thu May 22, 2014 8:43 am

This year all the dues must be paid vai cheaqse as money trail can be traced athourities can be notified as money trail can be tracked

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Re: Does MS bs pay income tax or exepted as an NRI

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Unread post by TheLiberatedOne » Thu May 22, 2014 9:27 am

I wonder why you always break your posts into 3-4.... why don't you write at once what you want to discuss about.... just curious...

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Thu May 22, 2014 11:10 am

Expecting sensible reply to this.

1) I dont pray namaz
2) I dont read Quran
3) I dont follow the sayings of Allah, Rasulallah, Ameerul Momineen and Imaam Hussain.
4) I do some/all kind of things which are Haraam in Islam.

End result : Allah unhappy and hence Laanat on me

1) I give ziyafat to our SMS dai
2) Pay all the taxes on time and amt as per our dais satisfaction
3) Everyday go to raudat tahera for ziarat
4) Purchase title of Shaikh or Mulla
5) Sponsor Trip for our dai
6) Keep long beard and always wear topi.

End Result : Dai happy and his raham and karam on me.

My question will our dai hold my hand and take me to Jannat eventhough my part 1 is against allah?

The above question came in my mind because mostly we are PRESSURIZED/MOTIVATED for part 2

Request all true followers of SMS to atleast reply on this.

shabbir4u
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by shabbir4u » Thu May 22, 2014 11:51 am

wrote:Expecting sensible reply to this.

1) I dont pray namaz
2) I dont read Quran
3) I dont follow the sayings of Allah, Rasulallah, Ameerul Momineen and Imaam Hussain.
4) I do some/all kind of things which are Haraam in Islam.

End result : Allah unhappy and hence Laanat on me

1) I give ziyafat to our SMS dai
2) Pay all the taxes on time and amt as per our dais satisfaction
3) Everyday go to raudat tahera for ziarat
4) Purchase title of Shaikh or Mulla
5) Sponsor Trip for our dai
6) Keep long beard and always wear topi.

End Result : Dai happy and his raham and karam on me.

My question will our dai hold my hand and take me to Jannat eventhough my part 1 is against allah?

The above question came in my mind because mostly we are PRESSURIZED/MOTIVATED for part 2

Request all true followers of SMS to atleast reply on this.
your name says every thing fustrate_Bohra
Well Part 2 what u doing is just to take benefit or show off rest allah know what you doing.Like what you mention your inner feeling knows what you doing.
I know lots of people who do part 1 & 2 take benefits and show off and hide their eveil face.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Thu May 22, 2014 12:11 pm

fustrate_Bohra wrote:Expecting sensible reply to this.

1) I dont pray namaz
2) I dont read Quran
3) I dont follow the sayings of Allah, Rasulallah, Ameerul Momineen and Imaam Hussain.
4) I do some/all kind of things which are Haraam in Islam.

End result : Allah unhappy and hence Laanat on me

1) I give ziyafat to our SMS dai
2) Pay all the taxes on time and amt as per our dais satisfaction
3) Everyday go to raudat tahera for ziarat
4) Purchase title of Shaikh or Mulla
5) Sponsor Trip for our dai
6) Keep long beard and always wear topi.

End Result : Dai happy and his raham and karam on me.

My question will our dai hold my hand and take me to Jannat eventhough my part 1 is against allah?

The above question came in my mind because mostly we are PRESSURIZED/MOTIVATED for part 2

Request all true followers of SMS to atleast reply on this.
You have summed up a lot of people here - they are more scared/afraid of Dai, Amil, Kothar than they are of Allah.

ghulam muhammed
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu May 22, 2014 6:05 pm

watsup msg :-

"Sarkar wo jo garibon ki sune, garibon ke liye jiye. Nayee Sarkar garibon ke liye samarpan hai".
These are the words of our new political leader. Why cant we also expect the same from Mola ?

Ramzan is approaching and everyone is really scared about how much each one will have to pay. Every year each one has to keep aside an amount to be paid to Kothar, whether he has incurred a loss in business or a person is working very hard; All this, irrespective of whether he can make the ends meet or not.

A mumin who is not able to pay his child's fees gets the fees from generous donors and also some food grains during Ramzan from different organisations but friends very sorry to mention that they don't get any rebate from the taxes to be paid in our community.

I would therefore request all the mumenin who go to pay their dues this year in the month of Ramzan to firmly and silently protest against any extra money demanded by them. If everyone silently protests this, we will be able to register our protest in their minds.

One should keep in mind that all over the world the accounts of all religious organisations are published and are available for inspection for the people (because the funds belong to the people) except in our community. It is high time that we should strongly and silently protest against the collection of funds, which are being lavishly used by the heads of our community and are now wastefully used to figure the legal battle within the family to see that the power of collection of more then 5000 crores every year does not slip away.

Just think very seriously and forward this message to as many people as possible. I hope the days are not very far that we will one day succeed in restricting them from collecting and using our hard earned money according to their whims and fancies and for their luxury at our cost.

An Idea can change life.......... now no ullu banaving !

ghulam muhammed
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu May 22, 2014 6:58 pm

Have you ever seen Mola walking and talking on a mobile phone ??
Len den ki baat ho rahi hai
:D :D

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MUSTAPH
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by MUSTAPH » Thu May 22, 2014 9:36 pm

I fail to understand that this forum is to make SMS popular or defame him. So many post n so much following up of muffy this itself would make the believer more attracted to muffy n give impression of shaiatin to all those posting here.
Also this forum is mostly referred by non followers of muffy the fanatics rarely visit this forum.
There is a saying in english " foolish people discuss people n clever people discuss ideas " where are any ideas of revolt discussed here. Common even if half of the people who complain here are ready to openly oppose the system a change can take place.
We all can post opinion of some action instead of doing gibat against that one person who is walking away with all the glory.
Frankly how many of us post comments here but than go n sit in all those waezes n majlis hearing all the praises n thinking today I will go n post against it. And mind you but this act is called the act of shaiatin.
Common all think on this n revert back.

Sufi monk
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Thu May 22, 2014 9:41 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Have you ever seen Mola walking and talking on a mobile phone ??
Len den ki baat ho rahi hai
:D :D

[img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x7 ... 7/jcr8.jpg[/img]
this show he is more of a businessman than a spiritual leader, in my WHOLE life I have never seen S M B talking on phone or using any gadgets specially when he is in public.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Thu May 22, 2014 9:42 pm

MUSTAPH wrote:I fail to understand that this forum is to make SMS popular or defame him. So many post n so much following up of muffy this itself would make the believer more attracted to muffy n give impression of shaiatin to all those posting here.
Also this forum is mostly referred by non followers of muffy the fanatics rarely visit this forum.
There is a saying in english " foolish people discuss people n clever people discuss ideas " where are any ideas of revolt discussed here. Common even if half of the people who complain here are ready to openly oppose the system a change can take place.
We all can post opinion of some action instead of doing gibat against that one person who is walking away with all the glory.
Frankly how many of us post comments here but than go n sit in all those waezes n majlis hearing all the praises n thinking today I will go n post against it. And mind you but this act is called the act of shaiatin.
Common all think on this n revert back.
cant you read title of this thread?

its MS

so it means every thing related to MS will be discussed here. :roll: