Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:18 am

Adam wrote:Yes. The Imam is required for salvation, and during his Satr the belief in the Dai Mutlaq is required for salvation.
Wrong ! Money is required for salvation ! if one gives money to the Dai, then only the Dai will recognize you as an abde mumin. Upon Dai’s no objection Imam will formalize the salvation to Allah. Don’t have money .. forget bohra salvation ! without valid safaai / rukku / ejamaat clearances, no salvation can take place !

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:18 pm

How to win cases in London and elsewhere: donate money!
Over 1 million US dollars to Egypt
Over 1 million US dollars to Egypt

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Adam » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:25 am

Even if that were true.
Someone's jealous :D

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:42 am

Adam wrote:Even if that were true.
Someone's jealous :D
So adam you have no objection if MS is bribing?

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by truth seeker100 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:33 am

Adam wrote:SBM


Yes. The Imam is required for salvation, and during his Satr the belief in the Dai Mutlaq is required for salvation.
If the KQ clan accept KQ as their Dai, they should have the similar belief.

good Mr. Adam now kindly show me proof from the quran or hadeeths which says dai is required for salvation

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:50 am

Omg adam is in pressure.

Adam was asked
1) Showcase only one zahir quality of MS (Adam failed)
2) Reference that rasuallah was chosen by IMAM through nass(I guess work is in progress)
3) Refrence which says Dai is required for salvation (In pipeline)

All the best Mr. ADAM.

Like minded people who gives likes to adam post please help him out.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by AmatullahAai » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:26 pm

Today I decide to start posting since I took on name of busaheba - today being her Gregorian birthday and also death day. I hope to post more later.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:12 pm

Hello Aai Saheba: welcome to the forum, please post soon because I can not hold my breath much longer. also I am over 70 so I don't have much time left to wait for your postings.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:07 am

Kaka Akela wrote:Hello Aai Saheba: welcome to the forum, please post soon because I can not hold my breath much longer. also I am over 70 so I don't have much time left to wait for your postings.

No need to say such pessimistic things Kaka Akela. May you live a long and healthy life

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:41 am

SMS’s ni khushi = Abde’s kharcha !

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by truth seeker100 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:06 am

where are u adam? waiting for you to show me proof

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by progticide » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:22 am

truth seeker100 wrote:where are u adam? waiting for you to show me proof
Before Adam can show you the proof, first prove to him that you are worthy of receiving the knowledge that is contained in that proof.

There have been plenty of your likes on this forum demanding proofs and evidences for articles of faith and belief without even possessing the most basic knowledge and understanding of the Islamic religious tenets and practices. You people come on such forums demanding proofs as if you have scaled the Mt. Everest of Islamic knowledge & teachings and Fatimid doctrines and think of yourselves as competent to become privy to every bit of information on religion and articles of faith.

You and your kind shall remain condemned to the abyss of ignorance and darkness until you remove hatred from your hearts and swear allegiance to the Imam-uz-Zaman(AS) and His 53rd Dai-ul-Mutlaq Syedna wa Maulana Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin (T.U.S), the rightful successor to the 52nd Dai-ul-Mutlaq Syedna wa Maulana Mohammed Burhanuddin (R.A.)
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:24 am

Br NEW
Can I request you to take your jokes to lighter side thread please You are diverting the other serious expose on this thread with your unlimited-unrelated Jokes on this thread No offense
ADMIN
Can you please relocate all these jokes by New to lighter side thread

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:31 am

without even possessing the most basic knowledge and understanding of the Islamic religious tenets and practices. You people come on such forums demanding proofs as if you have scaled the Mt. Everest of Islamic knowledge & teachings
Progticide
What is definition of Basic Knowledge and Understanding of Islamic religious tenets and practices?
Was there ever a 2 rakat Namaz asked by Allaha for the the long life of Prophet and Imam Ali?
Was there ever Maatam done after every Fard?
Where does it say in Basic Islamic religious tenets that ROTI making is more important then teaching your children and empowering women?
Where does it say in Basic Islamic religious tenets that doing the Tawaf of Raudat Tahera is equivalent to doing tawaf of Kaaba?
Where does it say in Basic Islamic religious tenets and practice to say LAANATS ON PIOUS MUMINEENS?
Where does it say in Basic Islamic religious tenets and practices that you have to PAY FOR MASSALLAH IN THE MASJID?
Progticide bhai Yeh Aap ko Souhba nahi deta key aap dusron seye Islam key basic knowledge key barey mein baat karein jub aap khud hee uss sey
naa wwakif hein.
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:33 am

progticide wrote:first prove to him that you are worthy of receiving the knowledge that is contained in that proof.
That means, go to nearest Kothari mullah, do a hefty salaam, broker a ziyafat for SMS, nod your head in agreement to whatever self glorifying trash Kothari mullah throw at you.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:37 am

bro progticide
how can one assess or know if one has the capacity of knowledge or not?
if u think religion knowledge is only for a few knowledgable(talebe ilm--as per ur standard) then others are what
jaahil?
u mean islam is only for few learned?
fatimid doctrine is only for a few learned?
why it is not open for all and sundry
if prophet meant it to be hidden?
that is very much skewed and absurd view of religion and that is what is precisely taught in
yusuf najmuddins jamea
dont ask question--beleive what we tell
asking any type of question --valid or unvalid is the right of any human being
he may understand or not---that is different thing.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by alam » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:16 pm

Progticide

Progticide, your request smacks of more of the same - Cop-out
- bullying and put downs to escape dialogue, curb discussion, or Escape when debate gets a bit warm or hot.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by progticide » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:15 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:bro progticide
how can one assess or know if one has the capacity of knowledge or not?
if u think religion knowledge is only for a few knowledgable(talebe ilm--as per ur standard) then others are what
jaahil?
u mean islam is only for few learned?
fatimid doctrine is only for a few learned?
why it is not open for all and sundry
if prophet meant it to be hidden?
that is very much skewed and absurd view of religion and that is what is precisely taught in
yusuf najmuddins jamea
dont ask question--beleive what we tell
asking any type of question --valid or unvalid is the right of any human being
he may understand or not---that is different thing.
Your post is laced with prejudice for certain individuals. Anyways, that is not very uncommon on this forum where every board, every topic, every thread is cluttered with personal attacks and insolence against dignitaries and revered personalities of Islam.

As far as your query is concerned, let me attempt to explain it in this way. Accept or Reject, your own free choice.
In every society there are some who are Doctors, some engineers, some architects, some accountants and so on. Each individual has a certain mental capacity and degree of intelligence and this degree is relative between each individual. This capacity or degree may make some people more intelligent and responsive in certain areas/fields relative to others. This makes some individuals more intelligent and knowledged in some subjects relative to others who may be knowledged in some other area/field of their specialisation.
Just as every individual cannot be educated and imparted training to be a Cardiologist or a NeuroSurgeon or an Architect or a Aeroplane Pilot or Chartered Accountant, Similarly, the advanced knowledge and higher sciences of religion cannot be imparted to every individual, but only to those who have developed a firm understanding of the basics of the faith and proven their worthiness to receive further portion of knowledge.

When a research fellow in particle physics asks questions to a scientist at CERN about properties of Higg's Boson, the scientist's response to that research fellow would be definitely more descriptive and detailed than the response to the same question being asked by a 10th grade high school student, whereas to a 5th grader asking the same question, the scientist may probably even pass the question and move on. It is not because the scientist does not have the answer to the question, it is because the answer may be beyond the 5th grader's capacity to understand and rather confuse the child and do harm to his early foundational concepts. Whereas the damage to the 5th grader not being able to understand the answer, if provided by the scientist, could be limited to his early education days only, in the case of religion, the threat of misunderstanding could be to the individual's eternal well-being.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:26 pm

Progticide
Your above post is full of nonsense. Like a Jamea trained Aamil you have totally confused the topic
I have asked you some simple questions and what you did is simply skirted those questions and gave a long BHASHAN to confuse everyone

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by progticide » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:43 pm

SBM wrote:Progticide
Your above post is full of nonsense. Like a Jamea trained Aamil you have totally confused the topic
I have asked you some simple questions and what you did is simply skirted those questions and gave a long BHASHAN to confuse everyone
SBM,
You did not read my post completely else you would not have missed the reference to the 5th grader. In your case, I'd rather ignore you as a primary school dropout. You're already extensively damaged on the spiritual quotient.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:05 pm

I'd rather ignore you as a primary school dropout.
Thanks Progticide for putting me at the same level as Jamea trained Aamil :)

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:09 pm

All religions are SCAMs. They teach you to pray laanat on people you don't even know, they teach you to hate all those who don't believe the same as you do. they scare you of fire and hell to keep control on you, they scare you that if you don't give the money to them then Allah will make them poor. Every religion claims that they are the TRUE religion and everyone else is going to burn in hell. all the religions teach to keep away from non-believers in their faith.

Allah sent one last Nabi to consolidate the messages from all previous Nabi(s) and religions and said the Quran is made simple for humankind to understand but look what we made it, so many interpretations and so many firqas, so much turmoil among firqas, so many Imams, so many Dai(s) and the whole muslim Ummah is lost and because of this Muslims all over the world are most hated people.

If there is an Imam, isn't it about the right time for him to come out of his luxurious life in mahals and unite and guide the Ummah? what good is his existence on the face of the earth if he is not doing any good for the Ummah???

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by truth seeker100 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:32 pm

progticide wrote:
truth seeker100 wrote:where are u adam? waiting for you to show me proof
Before Adam can show you the proof, first prove to him that you are worthy of receiving the knowledge that is contained in that proof.

There have been plenty of your likes on this forum demanding proofs and evidences for articles of faith and belief without even possessing the most basic knowledge and understanding of the Islamic religious tenets and practices. You people come on such forums demanding proofs as if you have scaled the Mt. Everest of Islamic knowledge & teachings and Fatimid doctrines and think of yourselves as competent to become privy to every bit of information on religion and articles of faith.

You and your kind shall remain condemned to the abyss of ignorance and darkness until you remove hatred from your hearts and swear allegiance to the Imam-uz-Zaman(AS) and His 53rd Dai-ul-Mutlaq Syedna wa Maulana Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin (T.U.S), the rightful successor to the 52nd Dai-ul-Mutlaq Syedna wa Maulana Mohammed Burhanuddin (R.A.)
oh really can you show proof of what knowledge muffy has of islam. you abdes could not even list 5 qualities that he has of dai. your beliefs are all made up. imam us zaman is not needed for salvation. that is all just bullcrap told to you by fake muslims called bohras. here I will show you proof
Islam teaches us that salvation is attainable through the worship of God alone. A person must believe in God and follow His commandments. This is the same message taught by all the Prophets including Moses and Jesus. There is only One worthy of worship. One God, alone without partners, sons, or daughters. Salvation and thus eternal happiness can be achieved by sincere worship
Whoever meets Allah without ascribing anything to Him will enter Jannah. (Bukhari)
Whoever believes (has Imaan) in Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him), and establishes the prayer and fasts in the month of Ramadan, it is incumbent upon Allah that He enters him in Jannah. (Bukhari)
Whoever builds a Masjid seeking by it the Pleasure of Allah, Allah will build for him a similar place in Jannah. (Bukhari)
Whoever prays the two cool prayers (Asr and Fajr) will enter Jannah. (Bukhari)
Whoever goes to the Masjid (every) morning and in the afternoon (for the congregational prayer), Allah will prepare for him an honorable place in Jannah with good hospitality for (what he has done) every morning and afternoon goings. (Bukhari)
Whoever can guarantee (the chastity of) what is between his two jaw-bones and what is between his two legs (i.e. his tongue and his private parts), I guarantee Jannah for him. (Bukhari)
Whoever prays 12 Rak’ah in the day and night, a house in Jannah will be built for him. (Muslim)
Whoever treads a path in search of knowledge, Allah will make easy for him the path to Jannah. (Muslim)
Whoever repeats after the Mu’adthin (the caller to prayer) from his heart (i.e., sincerely) will enter Jannah. (Abu Dawud)
There is not one of you who perfects his Wudu and prays two Rak’ah setting about them with his heart as well as his face except that Jannah would be mandatory for him. (Abu Dawud)
Whoever says: “I am pleased with Allah as my Rabb, and with Islam as my Deen, and with Muhammad (peace be upon him) as my Prophet, Jannah would be mandatory for him. (Abu Dawud)
Whosoever last words are: La ilaha illa Allah, will enter Paradise. (Abu Dawud, Sahih)
Whoever says “SubhanAllah al-Adthim wa Bihamdihi, Glorified and Exalted is Allah, The Great, and with His Praise”, a date-palm will planted for him in Jannah. (Tirmidhi)
Whoever dies and is free from three: arrogance, grudges and debt will enter Jannah. (Tirmidhi)
Whoever raises two girls, he and I will enter Jannah. (Tirmidhi)
Whoever calls the Adhan for 12 years, Jannah will become mandatory for him. (Ibn Majah)
Whoever asks Allah for Jannah three times, Jannah will say: “O Allah, enter him into Jannah.” (Tirmidhi)
Whoever visits an ailing person or a brother of his to seek the Pleasure of Allah, an announcer (angel) calls out: “May you be happy, may your walking be blessed, and may you be awarded a dignified position in Jannah”. (Tirmidhi)
Indeed, truthfulness leads to righteousness and indeed righteousness leads to Jannah. (Bukhari)
Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Jannah. (Bukhari)
O people, spread the Salaam (greetings), feed the hungry, and pray while the people are asleep, you will enter Jannah in peace. (Tirmidhi)
(The performance of) Umrah is an expiation for the sins committed between it and the previous Umrah; and the reward of Hajj Mabrur (i.e., one accepted) is nothing but Jannah. (Bukhari)
Allah has ninety-nine Names, one hundred minus one, and whoever believes in their meanings and acts accordingly, will enter Jannah. (Bukhari)
I saw a man going about in Jannah (and enjoying himself) as a reward for cutting from the middle of the road, a tree which was causing inconvenience to the Muslims. (Muslim)
O Allah, You are my Lord, none has the right to be worshipped except You, You created me and I am You servant and I abide to Your covenant and promise as best I can, I take refuge in You from the evil of which I committed. I acknowledge Your favor upon me and I acknowledge my sin, so forgive me, for verily none can forgive sin except You. “If somebody recites this invocation during the day, and if he should die then, he will be from the people of Jannah. And if he recites it in the night, and if he should die on the same day, he will be from the people of Jannah.” (Bukhari)

so see all this imam dai bullcrap is fake and unislamic. your faith in islam and doing good deeds gets you to heaven.
now I request you abdes to show me proof. I have been asking for proof but you all are just finding excuses to not show me proof. I guess that's all you can expect from brainwashed abdes like Adam, and progiticide

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:40 pm

Kaka Akela wrote:All religions are SCAMs. They teach you to pray laanat on people you don't even know, they teach you to hate all those who don't believe the same as you do.
This reminds me of an incident which happened in Chennai in the early 90s and although the same was mentioned many times on this forum but I would like to once again mention it for the benefit of some young Bohras members who may not be aware of it............... It so happened that one Mr.Huseinibhai Bhagat was abruptly excommunicated (Baraat) by Kothar as his only "Crime" was that he had invited Mr.Zain Rangoonwala, Chairman of Bombay Mercantile Co-op Bank Ltd for his son's wedding at Mumbai. Not only the host but everyone else who were present in the reception were excommunicated, this included the effluent rich Sidhpuri Sheikhs and Khorakhiwalas of Mumbai. Actually this was one more way of extorting huge sums of money from these rich people by giving them "Maafi" in return for huge Najwas running into lakhs.

The drama of "Maafinama" went on for quite some time and in between the then Amil of Chennai, Syedul Kher (Muffy's saala and YN's son) summoned the Chennai bohras to the local Masjid at night and made them shower "Laanats" on Mr.Bhagat which they did in chorus !! It was a pathetic scene wherein Mr Bhagat's close friends and relatives who had no personal enemity with him were forced to abuse him in choicest of language.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:31 am

bhai progticide
gud reply to my post
appreciate it and also accept it partly
so i am a 5th grader --no problem
amil and maula are scientist---also no problem
now 5th grader is asking question to scientist
why everytime i go to jamaat they always ask for money for anything
which i dont even have capacity to pay?
and not voluntarily, but forcefully everything
otherwise no safaichitti
even money for random things which are not even related to my work
why such disdain they show like i am a begger
why whenever maula visit, i have to cough up money?
why everything in jamaat office is about money , money and money.
this is my first hand experience --so u cannot deny it.
yes this is a 5th grader question who does not know anything about deen and spiritualism.
so what i think is allah is in need of my money.
and allahs need for money is satisfied by ayyaashi of maula and amil.
sorry this is 5th grader brain.
hope scientist can answer in the language i can understand.
u know child psycology and all that stuff, how they teach in nursery
hope to learn that little

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:14 am

QM

According to Kothari mullahs and agents, you are requesting at the wrong venue ! this forum is a free thinker’s school. The theories, lessons and concepts of Kothari-fatimid-beliefs cannot be taught here. It is a copyright issue.

Scientist and teachers don’t teach for free, you gotta pay. And when it comes to eternal salvation, these can run into millions. Maula has spent his life in this business training himself and others, it cant be given away for free !!

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:34 am

yes humanbeing
ur right.
progticide tells that higher knowledge of religion cannot be taught to 5th grader.
i accept it fully. i have nothing against it.
here i am not even asking for higher knowledge. guess i dont have the capacity to handle it.
i am not even asking for salvation from them--progticide --plz note it.
i am asking a simple nursery school question--why money is required for salvation?
hope this is a very basic elementary school level question.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:05 am

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:i am asking a simple nursery school question--why money is required for salvation?..............hope this is a very basic elementary school level question.

This is an excellent question you have ! that every bohra or say every believer in religious godmen must be asking to their gurus.

Money must be separated from the salvation.

Money spent in path of religion must be accounted to its last penny. No religion, faith, belief, doctrine, theory or concept can negate the need for accountability.

Once accountability is applied to this business, you will see a lot of attrition of dharam gurus from this religion market !

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Mufaddal is still a claimant \Dawedar according to Wikipedia

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Unread post by morela » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:34 am

Its nice that Mufaddal saifuddin page has resisted atleast 20-30 attempts to remove "claimant" word from wikipedia. A lot of abdes are upset and dont like to see this , but wiki and its unbiased policies ensure that only correct information persists for a long time, I would request proggies to also contribute and help the western authors to not get overwhelmed by the edits of abdes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_Saifuddin

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Re: Mufaddal is still a claimant \Dawedar according to Wikip

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Unread post by morela » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:41 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/53rd_Syed ... odi_Bohra)

I wonder why the court does not prohibit and place a stayorder prohibiting both dawedars .