Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

[Safiuddin]

Well, this will be a short topic discussion.

[white_pigeon]

I wonder what is his strategy on hunting wild animals which is also a crime. Apart from that qualities I dont see much discussion.

[Fateh]

Qualities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ah so difficult. Is it possible?oh please do not discuss such a hard topic please

[seeker110]

He has amassed a lot of wealth belonging to community. I see no difference in a pick-pocket-er or a person who robs someone for office. How terrible is a man who robs a community?

[Maqbool]

He has shown his quality in the Chelum waez. First he appeal to reformist to join in dawat and when the reformist offer to discuss condition and he refuse as my way is way otherwise a highway.

He has used vulgar language in this waez was standard of rowdies.

[New]

I thoroughly distaste some one who kills animals for their shear pleasure. No justification period. I have heard that Saifee Mahel is full of such trophies (?). SMS is out again for shikar. Watch out all the abdes and amtes. He will get you weather you are lion or the lamb.

[true_bohra]

@maqbool:

at least his tone was high when he was referring you guys but what about your vulgar language about him on this forum.

[husain_angry]

To clarify the system all the kothar and shehzada’s should declare there assets, and the balance sheet of wajebaat and all other money like a public company.

This will be beneficial for all mumineenn to clear there doubt of how the money they pay as wajebat is spent, also it will govern the money so it’s never misused.

Spare your thoughts?

[sumi]

This so called succession video shows Muffadal doing full swing Sajda atleast 3 times to SMB, This reminds me of Pharoah and how people did full swing Sajda to him. Does'nt that make him Kaafir? Did Khuzema also do Sajda? I dont think so?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xup6AQm ... redirect=1

[yuzarsif]

They Sing with loud voice " Sajda tujhe wazib hai " .. that to in the masjid..

[yuzarsif]

Forget it..Not going to happen in this world..sub hisaab kitaab Allah hi karega.

[wise_guy]

To clarify the system all the kothar and shehzada’s should declare there assets, and the balance sheet of wajebaat and all other money like a public company.

This will be beneficial for all mumineenn to clear there doubt of how the money they pay as wajebat is spent, also it will govern the money so it’s never misused.

Spare your thoughts?

Its like saying Western World to accept Shariat laws

[wise_guy]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... y/40JHzQ4Z

Why a petition is required. This is so absurd. This means they are really afraid that they require a petition now.. Where are all the teachings and preachings of 'Allah will save the Dawat' gone ? Why is this petition required.. Need answers from Die Hard Abdes

[wise_guy]

Well, this is from the recent Ashara when Shz Malekul Ashtar performed vaaz in Karbala whereas Syedna Mufaddal (tus) performed vaaz in Mumbai. A lot of people from Houston went to Karbala instead of Mumbai clearly showing the popularity.. Shz Malekul Ashtar behaves like a Maula in Houston and the Houston people consider him like one... The Houston lot is a totally unique case !

[Bohra spring]

This was a sincere attempt to help Bohras feel comfortable and safe as he has claimed to be the 53rd and there is all chance he will triumph.

Do fellow bohras know that they are rallying behind an individual and if SMB had made a mistake with appointing an allegedly fraud Mazoon or due to some unfoseen reasons permitted whether that was the only mistake because how do we know what is SMS's intentions. If the SMS vision is positive let us know.

Unfortunately I am only finding negative items. But someone might share what reputation he has. Not miracles or claims of writing poems.

I found these you tube clips...these are things he is against women

Hijab style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlj55Wg02RM

Education and staying at home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6r1qUHg8-Q

Cooking and staying at home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjPZ30d2Mak

This video is strange that he claimed he was a sayedna in Sept 2012, is this not treasonable to claim being a Sayedna when SMB is alive , if by that same account MKQ was declared at fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnCf2FLWoo


we all know his fancy for hunting

I understand he has massive investments across the globe , there are families in Kenya and Tanzania who are his proxies. If he is investing in those ventures where does he get those funds from and if they are dawaats do the profits come back to the dawaat ?

He has claimed strange historical events such as the Horse talking to Imam Husain AS, recently he claimed in Udaipur that a child was present when Husain AS was killed by Shimr and stood by when an arrow was shot.

he has seen SMB in heaven, he saw his brother in heaven.

[Ozdundee]

Obama will be delighted to stop his busy schedule from issues in Syria, Iran, Russia, North Korea, US Economy, Devyani Indian diplomat issue to see how he can help SMS who leads 5000 followers in US out of 1.2 Million ( or now 800,000 since 400,000 are with SKQ)

I mean why not because he does not even have time to visit his own fathers country while a President.

Did the author of the petition read what he has written and what is he petitioning ...sounds very "sophisticated"

[wise_guy]

Obama will be delighted to stop his busy schedule from issues in Syria, Iran, Russia, North Korea, US Economy, Devyani Indian diplomat issue to see how he can help SMS who leads 5000 followers in US out of 1.2 Million ( or now 800,000 since 400,000 are with SKQ)

I mean why not because he does not even have time to visit his own fathers country while a President.

Did the author of the petition read what he has written and what is he petitioning ...sounds very "sophisticated"

wow.. where did u get or estimate that figure of 400k

[wise_guy]

There should be another group called Houstoni bohras or Ashtari bohras lead by Shz Malekul Ashtar !

[sumi]

A quick google search reveals that most of the Musalman scholars consider them to be disbelievers already:

http://islam.stackexchange.com/a/8536/940

[Fakhruddinsuratwala]

Will cite here several examples where it has been proved that Majority doesnt mean you are right... Examples are here only to prove that having the majority of people following you doesnt mean anything.

1) Mohammed Rasullah S.A.W. had hand ful of people and numbers against him were in thousands. Powerful People with high raking in the society like abu jhel and Abu sufian and many tribes were against him and they did everything to intimate him but the righteous call to Islam succeeded and the Munafikeens had to see the face of hell.
2) Moulana Ali again had a large following but the number of enemies were huge as well and we all know what Zulms he had to endure and how much difficulties Ahle Bayt had to suffer but today we see the the success of Ali as the righteous will always prevail.
3) Imam Hussain fought the battle with 72 behind him but against him were thousands but today Moula Hussian is remembered every day but his opponents are not mentioned anywhere.
4) So the conclusion is the mass gathering that are going to happen today doesnt represent that they are right. They have to prove that the change is going to happen in the community and estimated wealth of 63400 Crores worth of networth which is spread in 5 continents in forms of jamaatkhana, masajids, madressas, faiz, land, facotries, equity investments and real estate invesments is used in wlefare of the community. With this kind of money no Bohra family would have to worry about anything as all can be settled taking care of socio economic needs.
Lets wake up and write here more convincingly that we are not with either side but we are here to show what our community can achieve which unfortuately we cannot achieve as they have vested interests. If so called People of God have detemined not to give up thier grip of the unrightful share o the Waqf Board I am sure they will suffer which is God's people.

[white_pigeon]

This was a sincere attempt to help Bohras feel comfortable and safe as he has claimed to be the 53rd and there is all chance he will triumph.

Do fellow bohras know that they are rallying behind an individual and if SMB had made a mistake with appointing an allegedly fraud Mazoon or due to some unfoseen reasons permitted whether that was the only mistake because how do we know what is SMS's intentions. If the SMS vision is positive let us know.

Unfortunately I am only finding negative items. But someone might share what reputation he has. Not miracles or claims of writing poems.

I found these you tube clips...these are things he is against women

Hijab style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlj55Wg02RM

Education and staying at home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6r1qUHg8-Q

Cooking and staying at home
http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=JjPZ30d2Mak

This video is strange that he claimed he was a sayedna in Sept 2012, is this not treasonable to claim being a Sayedna when SMB is alive , if by that same account MKQ was declared at fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnCf2FLWoo


we all know his fancy for hunting

I understand he has massive investments across the globe , there are families in Kenya and Tanzania who are his proxies. If he is investing in those ventures where does he get those funds from and if they are dawaats do the profits come back to the dawaat ?

He has claimed strange historical events such as the Horse talking to Imam Husain AS, recently he claimed in Udaipur that a child was present when Husain AS was killed by Shimr and stood by when an arrow was shot.

he has seen SMB in heaven, he saw his brother in heaven.

[husain_angry]

દાવો અલગ છે પ્રેમનો દુનિયાની રીતથી,
એ ચૂપ રહે છે જેને અધિકાર હોય છે.

[Mazakyo]

To clarify the system all the kothar and shehzada’s should declare there assets, and the balance sheet of wajebaat and all other money like a public company.

This will be beneficial for all mumineenn to clear there doubt of how the money they pay as wajebat is spent, also it will govern the money so it’s never misused.

Spare your thoughts?

Abey Husain_angry tu kya abhi paida huwa hai ya bhung pee kay aya hai !!. Declare kar diya tu saab marey jainge !!!

[Akhtiar Wahid]

Pictures are being circulated on cell phones that Modi has currently visited Saifee Mahal. I think Modi is giving him tips on how to fool people and decieve them!

[Qutbi-Hero]

wow.. where did u get or estimate that figure of 400k

That's what I'm thinking too! Is that how many people have registered with their website? DANG!

[Qutbi-Hero]

A quick google search reveals that most of the Musalman scholars consider them to be disbelievers already:

http://islam.stackexchange.com/a/8536/940

What you should have said is:-

"A quick google search reveals, a crappy internet site which has a post from a crappy little nobody, who is talking crappy crap"

You will also find similar sites saying Islam is evil and that RasulAllah was making up the whole thing...

[seeker110]

Sir, Modi is no match for Dai's family. He came to Saify Mahal to learn, not the orther way around.

[JC]

Agreed Seeker110!

May be Modi is also there to 'request' some 'donation' or 'contribution' and will tell you know what if you don't ...

[wise_guy]

Got this email from ITS. It seems that the La nut games are not working as effectively as they thought. They are now trying moderation and calmness. I guess, their guys are actively reading and following this site


Al Hayy Al Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's(RA) has ascended from this world for his heavenly abode. Mumineen all over the world are immersed in inconsolable grief. They are drawing strength and solace from Maula Burhanuddin’s (RA) many blessings upon each and every mumin and from his noble mansoos Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS).


These are days of Huzn, ibadat and remembrance. Foremost, it is incumbent upon all mumineen to spend their time intilawate quran-e-majeed, the recitation of qasida, marsiya and madeh of Maulana Burhanuddin Aqa (RA). Mumineen should express their grief by eulogizing and expressing theshanaat and maajiz of Al Hayy al Muqaddas (RA) and Aqa Maula Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS).

Many mumineen are submitting and circulating marasiyas, prose, poetry, kalaam and other creative expressions of their love for both Maulas. A website to Arz Taziyat to Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS) has also been set up on http://www.its52.com. Mumineen should use the various social media available to them for this purpose.

However, some mumineen have become preoccupied in this time of grief and have become distracted. A hint is sufficient for the intelligent. The circulation of jokes and distasteful messages as well as the use of inappropriate language and creation of caricatures and ringtones regarding this is inappropriate. This is unacceptable and should be stopped immediately.

It is therefore strictly instructed to mumineen to immediately cease the use of any form of social media to address or converse on this subject.

As mumineen, as followers of Al Hayy Al Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) and Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS), our dignity, our izzat, our respect worldwide, our peace loving nature, our patriotism, are all qualities that are a direct result of our Maulas' tarbiyat and guidance. No matter where we go, a Mumin is recognized as a follower of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) and now of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS).

Syedna Taher Saifuddin Aqa (AQ) and Al Hayy Al Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) hamesha farmavta, “dushmano na parcha na vachva joiye ane ehva parchao ghar ma bhi na aave.” Aaj na electronic zamaan ma, dushmano na parcha, social media, whatsapp, email ane website na zariye se mumineen na ghar ma aave che. Laazim che ke sagla mumineen, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS) na mohibeen, dushmano na aava hamla si bache.

Bandagi, idabat and Maula ni zikr — aa huzn na dino maaaj apno ek shugul hoi.

[Muslim]

Someone should send that email to the shazadas. They might learn a thing or two