Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Free_Spirit
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Free_Spirit » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:31 pm

Thaali ke Rotli.
They want women to make rotli at home……but insist on all taking thaali !
Women have nothing to do now after this thaali system ! They are more vulnerable to the threats of jahannum then men….what a trap and how well set!!

Akhtiar Wahid
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In and out

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:18 am

It is very strange and absurd that all the activities which are taking place at the moment at Saifee Mahal is not rightful. Muffadal BS father has just passed away, and not any father but father of millions of Bohras 52nd Dai Mutlaq, Dai who changed the course of entire chain of Dais, brought fame and made us recognize all over the world, One of a kind. Such an important figure has passed away and i cannot spot any grieve or pain on them. Instead mourning for at least 20 to 25 days without engaging in any worldly activities they're doing the opposite. Everyday some or the other dignitaries are coming in and out and such important figures do not come for condolences just like that, they have done this so that the Public thinks they're rightful for daiship

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by godmoney » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:00 pm

they have start full fledge business

not even 40 days and got a sms saying come to masjid for namaz with fund name qarze hassant...lolzzz

muffy need only money

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by godmoney » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:01 pm

they made a fool of them by going to azad maidan

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by godmoney » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:03 pm



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Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:22 pm

“Of all the evils for which man has made himself responsible, none is so degrading, so shocking or so brutal as his abuse of the better half of humanity; the female sex.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

“No nation can rise to the height of glory unless your women are side by side with you. We are victims of evil customs. It is a crime against humanity that our women are shut up within the four walls of the houses as prisoners. There is no sanction anywhere for the deplorable condition in which our women have to live.”
― Muhammad Ali Jinnah

vs
muffadal saifuddin on woman


Mufaddal Saifuddin says if no hijab throw ladies out of house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-Z2nT2xNk


Mufaddal Saifuddin says women should stay at home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlj55Wg02RM

Mufaddal Saifuddin says women should not be educated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6r1qUHg8-Q

Mufaddal Saifuddin says if you don't make roti, you won't get shafa'at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjPZ30d2Mak

i have seen above videos and horrified about thinking of what time will be for dawoodi bohra community .Look and listen his tone .

it is said that
When you educate a man you educate an individual when you educate a woman you educate a whole family.


i want to admin to put this videos into front page of this forum and spread it as many people as possible.

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:23 am

This guy is supposed to be the son of a scholar and he cannot put a comprehensible sentence together. Let me try to speak like him.

Aa badhu su lagavelu che. Bairo e su lagavelu che. Bairo call center maa jai aa su lagavelu che call center maa. Waa dhur si phone aawe raate akhi raat waat thai ghanoo mothu thai jai. Ghanu mothu zina thai jai. Phone awey to namaaz jai ghanu mothu ghuna thai jai zina ghanu mothu thai jai. Bairawo ghare home science maa topi guthe rida guthe and thandi maa garam kapda guthe. Aa su bhar jai to ghanu kharab mahol maa bijaa loko sathe male mothu kharab badhu thai jai.

WTF!!!!

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by Nietzsche » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:50 am

You know what's even more pathetic than his views on women? It's the fact that women are meant to be subjugated in Islam. I know there have been numerous debates on this issue from all types of muslims, but the fact is that the
Quran clearly places men on a higher pedestal than women. The truth hurts, people, but the truth is the truth.

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)


So I guess he's just doing what Allah wants him to do. Cut him a break bohrabhai. :)

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by juzerali » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:53 am

Aa bhosnu su lagai ne rakhu chhe? Shaitano besela chhe. Aa call centre su lagai ne rakhu chhe? Kon kon bethelu hoi chhe? Mumineen koi ne kharab to nathi lagtu?

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by Free_Spirit » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:42 am

Pan call centre ma naa jai to silah fitrah sabil, salam, hoob kevirite afford kare?!!

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by Free_Spirit » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:43 am

Koine bhari to nathi lagtu ne?

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by white_pigeon » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:17 am

Free_Spirit wrote:Koine bhari to nathi lagtu ne?
Jo agar bhari lage, toh maara vasila si be topi vadhare ghutti de

anajmi
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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:11 am

It's the fact that women are meant to be subjugated in Islam.
Actually, they are not. There have been numerous debates on this right here on this board. 4:34 has been explained very clearly. Please take some time to understand and clear your misconceptions.

Let me give you an advise. Whenever you read a hadith or an ayah of the Quran, do not read it from someone else's quote, which is what you have done. Your copy and paste shows that quite clearly. Someone else has blamed Islam's treatment of women and you have simply copied and pasted it over here. You should go to the source. Read the full ayah. Read a couple of ayahs before and after. Understand the context. Read the full hadith and its explanation.

Anthropologically, men are supposed to go out and work and women stay at home and take care of the kids. If men cannot go out and work, then women go out and work. Islam doesn't change this principle. It emphasizes it. Man has more physical strength than a woman does. That is why men's tennis is best of 5 sets and women's is best of 3 even though the prize is the same (it wasn't always the same, by the way and no tennis association is Islamic).

A brother receives twice the share of the sister in inheritance because the brother is responsible for taking care of the family. The sister's money is purely her saving because if everyone is truly following Islamic principles, then the brother is responsible for taking care of the family and even if the sister is married, then her husband is taking care of her. It is purely logical and has nothing to do with the status of man over woman.

In the hereafter, the reward for the righteous man is the same as the righteous women (yeah man gets 70 female angels and the woman, if she wants will get 70 male angels - would she want them though? Unless she is western minded and western liberated) and the punishment for a disbelieving woman is the same as that of the disbelieving man.

Most hadith of the prophet (saw) have been related by his wife. People would go to the prophet's house to learn and it was his wife that taught them a lot of what the prophet (saw) did inside the house. And when the time came she climbed onto a camel and went to war!!

Islam does not prohibit education of women. Do not give the example of the Taliban. They've been living in caves and treated like garbage because of their treatment of women.

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:38 am

By the way I did a search on "Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311" and you know what the search result contains? Pointers to all anti-Islamic websites that have this quote as is. I couldn't find the actual Maududi volume and the relevant page!!

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:41 am

Found the full quote at an Islamic website.

The first guiding principle about the division of inheritance is that the share of the male shall be double that of the female, and this is very sound and just. As the Muslim law lays the major burden of the economic responsibility of the family on the male and keeps the female almost free from it, justice demands that her share of inheritance should be less than that of the male.

The underlined portion is what the anti-Islamic sites quote. They will never put the entire Maududi quote.

Akhtiar Wahid
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Benefit of Doubt

#107

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:50 am

As-salam alaykum dear brothers and sisters,

This is an excerpt from the website www.believesyednaqutbuddin.com/page/2/

Reason# 21 Hypocrisy personified

I was totally shocked on how the orator or commentator of this debate has kept his point, it looks like they themselves are opening their cards out of fear and terror in their hearts, please read and explain what you understand by it.

""He does this to discredit and undermine the nass and the numerous kalemaat nooraniyah of Syedna Burhanuddin RA stated in the shaan and maqaam of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS. If the Dawat, Vazarat and all its institutions were no longer under the control and command of Syedna al-Dai al-Muqaddas RA, if his speech and awareness were impaired, then why did Khuzaima during Ramadan al-Mu’azzam in Secunderabad in 1434 H request for du’aa from the Dai’s administration? If he knows that Moulana RA neither has control over the administration or awareness to respond, why send any form of communication to his office or his person and seek blessings and du’aa? Moreover, upon receiving a response from this office, why highlight its importance and barakat to the extent that Mumineen in the masjid were instructed to place the du’aa mithaal shareef on their heads and frame copies of it and place it on their walls? (Listen to Aziz’s speech below.)
On one hand, Khuzaima dismisses all statements and proclamations issued by Syedna Burhanuddin RA as unacceptable since according to him Moulana RA was not in charge of Dawat, and on the other hand, he goes to extreme measures to display to the Secunderabad Mumineen his fake and insincere reverence for Moulana’s RA mithaal.
""

So how can they say that AQA MOULA WAS GAIB NA MALIK. and people cannot read between the lines and figure out what these crooks did all this years. Things like Raza, name giving etc were all not done by Aqa Moula and i am sure lot of mismanagement of dawat's fund.

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by think » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:42 am

"ghanu bhari to nathi lago ne" ha ghanu bhari lagu che. tame hamara bills pay karo to hami call center ma kaam nai kare.

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by JC » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:33 am

One more thing which Islam says on Education of women (which Muffadal and Taliban are against of) ... and that is....

'To acquire education is a MUST for all Mulsim men and Muslim women' .......... point to be noted is that Islam has not said education is must for 'all Muslims' ...... it specifically says 'Muslim men and Muslim women' ..... and this because Islam 'knew' of people like Muffadal and Taliban.

Bro Anajmi, pls correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Reporter » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:39 pm

From WhatsApp:
Ashok gehlot former cm rajasthan
Mufaddal aaqa na kadmo ma betha chy at saifee masjid
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Mazakyo » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:20 pm

Reporter wrote:From WhatsApp:
Ashok gehlot former cm rajasthan
Mufaddal aaqa na kadmo ma betha chy at saifee masjid

Abay ye CM hai ?? Bikul apna Nathoo pan waley say milta julta hai.

Mazakyo
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Dai aur Mazoon

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Unread post by Mazakyo » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:33 pm

Ye lo nai tasweer market may aa gai hai.
Dai, Mazoon (aur Mansoos) kay saath
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Dai aur Mazoon

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Unread post by Mazakyo » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:40 pm

Lo yaar market mein nai tasweer aa gai hai.

Dai aur Mazoon (aur Mansoos)
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Re: Dai aur Mazoon

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Unread post by JC » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:43 pm

Wwwooowww so Alavi Bohras have pledged support to Muffadali Bohras ...... sad.. :(

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by JC » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:46 pm

All 'formers' have to status in picture ............ what better than this; he know abdes will circulate this left right centre .......... free publicity!!

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Re: Dai aur Mazoon

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:47 pm

Well, the Alavis do not care one way or the other. Dawoodis are to Alavis like Modi is to Dawoodis. Alavis claim that they are the nhani (small) jamaat and they will go to heaven. The mhoti (big - dawoodi) jamaat is a deviant sect and will go to hell. But all this is behind their own closed doors. Outside, they will show support to whichever past puppet becomes the current Dai!!

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Re: Dai aur Mazoon

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Unread post by JC » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:50 pm

So Qutbis will probably the smallest; hence they will 'qualify' to go to Janat (and they ONLY).

Btw what about Badrijanab bohars?? where do they stand, with which sect? or Badri people directly follow a hidden dai... :o

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Re: Dai aur Mazoon

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Unread post by white_pigeon » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:16 pm

This is ridiculous. Anyone who lives in Baroda would know what Alavi's talk about Dawoodi Bohras.

Who else is left for endorsements? Asaram Bapu or George Bush ?

Mazakyo
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Re: Dai aur Mazoon

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Unread post by Mazakyo » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:51 pm

white_pigeon wrote:This is ridiculous. Anyone who lives in Baroda would know what Alavi's talk about Dawoodi Bohras.

Who else is left for endorsements? Asaram Bapu or George Bush ?

Partner mujhe tu lagta hai koi joint venture honey ja raha hai!! Sulaimaniyo ko bhi invite kar liya jai ???

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Re: woman status in muffadal saiffudin raj

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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:41 pm

anajmi wrote:yeah man gets 70 female angels and the woman, if she wants will get 70 male angels
This is only found in your Sunni Hadiths, not in any Shia Hadiths - and the Quran doesn't ever mention the number in this context.
Also, the number usually referenced in your Hadiths is 72, not 70... and they are not "female angels" but "houris" which are something entirely different.
And when the time came she climbed onto a camel and went to war!!
... against Maulana Ali (or as you would call him, the 4th Rightly Guided Caliph!) What a good idea that was! :roll:
Do not give the example of the Taliban. They've been living in caves and treated like garbage because of their treatment of women.
The Taliban are very strict Sunnis - however even supposedly "moderate" Sunnis treat women like garbage...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY[/youtube]


PS: Your PhD is clearly on display,yet again! :wink: