A woman who created the rift

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Fakhruddinsuratwala
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A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by Fakhruddinsuratwala » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:50 am

I am talking about so called Bu Saheba...Zohra Bensaab.
As far as I understand what is going on....the big game is bieng played by Zohra Bensaab. She is the centre of the Hatred club for former Mazoon club and her brothers and banevis are all aligned to ensure the smooth sailing for SMS.
She was instrumental in getting the 1st divorce done for SMS, she had the condition that she will marry him if he works his way up to become the Dia. She is just trying to fullfill the dream of her father PYN to show the world that the finally his clan got the diaship. Her brothers are goons and her banevi is even a bigger goon who sits in Surat.
She has 3 sons...2 always accompany SMS while the 3rd holds a very high position in Jamea Safea..and her final destination is not for SMS to hold this position but later her sons to take over. My faith was invincible in Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and will always stay the same but with the current state of affairs My faith is almost shattered.
I still remember once my father said that there was a meeting held between a reformist leader and Prince Yusuf Najmuddin and the Reformist leader questioned him that why they stripping people of eveything that is Money, self respect and Ilm. PYN replied that we have opened a business and if you reformist have the courage and strength you also go ahead and start similar business. Both the individuals are no more but the systems still continues...Show must go on ...mere bhai...Show must go on.

MusaKarimji
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by MusaKarimji » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:10 am

if they really think Islam is business for them, then lets teach them a lesson, let every one promise to your self that from now on not a single penny will go in kothar pocket by any means, cut their financial resources and they will die before we can even think.

white_pigeon
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by white_pigeon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:44 am

Behind every war and a successful man is a woman - Quote Unknown

Fakhruddinsuratwala
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by Fakhruddinsuratwala » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:31 am

[quote="MusaKarimji"]if they really think Islam is business for them, then lets teach them a lesson, let every one promise to your self that from now on not a single penny will go in kothar pocket by any means, cut their financial resources and they will die before we can even think.[/quote

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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by think » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:14 am

In bombay and else where the kothar chamchas in groups of 4 or 4 come into bohris homes ,knocking on their doors asking for money and providing food. and forcing them to attend majlis etc. The mumineen give them money and accept their food to get rid of them and they say because we have to go to work we cannot attend. this is the situation nowa days. If the goondas come knocking just like the bhatta khors, the mumineen give them money because they do not want any trouble. But they do not attend any majlis etc.

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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:23 pm

Fakhruddinsuratwala wrote:
MusaKarimji wrote:if they really think Islam is business for them, then lets teach them a lesson, let every one promise to your self that from now on not a single penny will go in kothar pocket by any means, cut their financial resources and they will die before we can even think.[/quote

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Seriously...u shud be a neta...suratwala

alam
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by alam » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:38 pm

Fakhruddinsuratwala wrote:
MusaKarimji wrote:if they really think Islam is business for them, then lets teach them a lesson, let every one promise to your self that from now on not a single penny will go in kothar pocket by any means, cut their financial resources and they will die before we can even think.[/quote

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If, according to OP title "a woman who created a rift" might be at the root of this evil, and this Fitnat in Dawat, which seems like a sound argument with support elsewhere (see also OP of viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9262&start=120 ) perhaps we can all be saved by a woman.

Who?

Only a woman can perhaps persuade her family to preserve the family finances for a more worthy cause - and divert family finances toward helping those in need, rather than those in greed - which is how your money is being diverted via Najwa, sifts, salaams, not to mention waajebat and other. There are plenty of our Bohra bhais and behens living below the poverty line, forced to work thus sacrificing basic schooling or higher education, etc. etc.

At least this way you know where your money is going instead of financing the lavish travels and lifestyles of the - you know who, not to mention the carbon footprint Bohras leave behind everytime they travel.

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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by wise_guy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:36 pm

My wife who is a die hard amte once said that 'agar mara haath ma hoye toh mai roz najwa araz karu' lol.. (If its in my hand, then I would give najwa everyday)

alam wrote:
Only a woman can perhaps persuade her family to preserve the family finances for a more worthy cause - and divert family finances toward helping those in need, rather than those in greed - which is how your money is being diverted via Najwa, sifts, salaams, not to mention waajebat and other. There are plenty of our Bohra bhais and behens living below the poverty line, forced to work thus sacrificing basic schooling or higher education, etc. etc.

At least this way you know where your money is going instead of financing the lavish travels and lifestyles of the - you know who, not to mention the carbon footprint Bohras leave behind everytime they travel.

tasneempati
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by tasneempati » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:58 am

white_pigeon wrote:Behind every war and a successful man is a woman - Quote Unknown
on lighter side: I do not know about wars but for a man if he wants to be more successful have more women. ( Perheps that's why Arabs have 4 wives & STS too had 4 ). :lol:

ghulam muhammed
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:34 pm

Fakhruddinsuratwala wrote:I am talking about so called Bu Saheba...Zohra Bensaab.As far as I understand what is going on....the big game is bieng played by Zohra Bensaab. She is the centre of the Hatred club for former Mazoon club and her brothers and banevis are all aligned to ensure the smooth sailing for SMS.
Her sister Maria is another woman who has made lives of Surti bohris difficult, she is the wife of Surat Amil, Muder. When the late SMB was indisposed, she invented a scheme to fleece the local bohri women........... She used to sit on a takht with a pillow on her lap for qadambosi, the pillow was suppose to be holy as it was the one which had the azeem karam of SMB as he rested his legs on it during his qadambosis in Surat and hence women flocked in large numbers to get the sharaf of kissing it and Maria laughed all the way to the bank by getting hefty salams from this gullible lot. This drama lasted for quite a number of days. This shows that the virus of Yusuf Najmuddin (Muffy's sasra) is very much active even today.

Due to her clout, she has managed to get the most plum and lucrative postings of Sharjah and Dubai for her 2 sons who are stationed there since time immemorial !

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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by way2go » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:06 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Fakhruddinsuratwala wrote:I am talking about so called Bu Saheba...Zohra Bensaab.As far as I understand what is going on....the big game is bieng played by Zohra Bensaab. She is the centre of the Hatred club for former Mazoon club and her brothers and banevis are all aligned to ensure the smooth sailing for SMS.
Her sister Maria is another woman who has made lives of Surti bohris difficult, she is the wife of Surat Amil, Muder. When the late SMB was indisposed, she invented a scheme to fleece the local bohri women........... She used to sit on a takht with a pillow on her lap for qadambosi, the pillow was suppose to be holy as it was the one which had the azeem karam of SMB as he rested his legs on it during his qadambosis in Surat and hence women flocked in large numbers to get the sharaf of kissing it and Maria laughed all the way to the bank by getting hefty salams from this gullible lot. This drama lasted for quite a number of days. This shows that the virus of Yusuf Najmuddin (Muffy's sasra) is very much active even today.

Due to her clout, she has managed to get the most plum and lucrative postings of Sharjah and Dubai for her 2 sons who are stationed there since time immemorial !

Did people not realise they are doing 'shirk'!!! Can't believe people are so blind and gullible that they loose all sense if reasoning.

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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by Nietzsche » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:28 am

Who is Yusuf Najmuddin whose name has come up so often recently?

alam
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by alam » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:50 am

way2go wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote: Her sister Maria is another woman who has made lives of Surti bohris difficult, she is the wife of Surat Amil, Muder. When the late SMB was indisposed, she invented a scheme to fleece the local bohri women........... She used to sit on a takht with a pillow on her lap for qadambosi, the pillow was suppose to be holy as it was the one which had the azeem karam of SMB as he rested his legs on it during his qadambosis in Surat and hence women flocked in large numbers to get the sharaf of kissing it and Maria laughed all the way to the bank by getting hefty salams from this gullible lot. This drama lasted for quite a number of days. This shows that the virus of Yusuf Najmuddin (Muffy's sasra) is very much active even today.

Due to her clout, she has managed to get the most plum and lucrative postings of Sharjah and Dubai for her 2 sons who are stationed there since time immemorial !

Did people not realise they are doing 'shirk'!!! Can't believe people are so blind and gullible that they loose all sense if reasoning.
This shirk started very very gradually - like the frog put in warm water and slowly boiled over.

I recall some 25+ years ago we had somebody from Kothar- an educated ustaad staying at my parents home. And we had somebody visiting and happened to innocently find a photo of Syedna Burhanuddin very intriguing, and one of them automatically kissed it. To which this Ustaad immediately cautioned and corrected, saying that would be shirk, done quite gently. This type of thing was the norm, where one never kissed Maula's photo.

Nowadays, people put photo in front of them all the time, including in majlis, waaz, and in between Namaaz. The attachment to objects (in the name of barakat) is another form of shirk. People have forgotten the Almighty.

Maria, johara, - the bloodline of Yusuf Najmuddin, are expanding the shirk by their crafty ways. They themselves promote all this, and then when women go crazy in chasing the Maulas, they and the brothers badrul Jamali and saeed Khair, and Kausar Ali just laugh and humiliate them further.

They are the REAL dushman of Dawat, the true munaafekeen, and Allah naa dushman. They have destroyed so many lives and families, and now they are threatening to destroy the entire Dawat and the dawoodi Bohra community with all this hero worshipping, hijacking of faith, extortions, lies and deception.

Except for one small thing. Truth is truth, and Allah is the know it all.

way2go
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Unread post by way2go » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:04 am

Nietzsche wrote:Who is Yusuf Najmuddin whose name has come up so often recently?
Yusuf Najmuddin Bhaisaheb was the offspring from Late Syedna Taher Saifuddin's third wife Fatema Aaisaheb. Known for being tyranical and manupulative he aspired to be the Mazun but since he was not made the Mazun he started this hate campaign against ex Mazun and trained his progeny to likewise continue. His daughter Zurratus Sharaf bensaab is Mufaddal bhaisaheb's wife. She apparently agreed to marry him on condition that he become the next 'Dai' and therein started the power 'war'!

Kindly read bhai ghulam mohammed's first post under title 'The 'fitnat' Behind the Present Turmoil in Bohra Community.' This gives a deeper insight on the start and onset of the hate campaign which has lead to the present day turmoil.

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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:01 pm

Yousuf Najmuddin has crafted this mine craft and he knew about the forthcoming of this community.
Clearly shezada sahebs of Muffadal saab have clearly mentioned in few places that they do not want QUANITY but QUALITY.
Quality being the rich upper class who can grease their money making mechanism all year round and could easily survive of it.
Quantity being the lower middle class and below the poverty line bohras who have nothing to gain or nothing to lose, these lot SKQ sahib has to handle and take care of them.

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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by salaar » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:54 pm

musa karimji bhai and to all my respected readers, we have been silently watching the manner in which wealth is generated by jamat people on different pretext in ramazan wajebaat, sabeel, and a long list of funds, honestly the amount that iam paying cumulatively becomes more then the amount that is actually due on me that is 2.5% of my earning but since a base figure has been generated therefore no turning back, then the way they demand its like anything and to my surprise people give them, one more thing i have observed is that jamaat policy makers generate some extra amount in between like during ashara, encouraging individuals to do jaman etc etc and spend a certain percentage of it on things which makes some people happy like sending some for ziarat, haj, scholarships and house renovations, they collect more amounts from wealthy areas and subsidize poor areas for mawaayed, they dont spend anything extra frm their pockets thus giving an impression that jamaat is spending so much although the real chunk goes somewhere else, anyway iam tired of all this, parting with your hard earned money without even feeling content, its a shame.

salaar
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Re: A woman who created the rift

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Unread post by salaar » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:04 pm

broadly speaking i say you breakup the amount in two title heads which is about 60% wajibaat and 40% sabil, saifee barakat, niaz fund..... now the whole show runs on the 40% which covers your jamat expenses wazifas and all maintenance expenses of masjid, i guess all that is been taken care of with our 40% now the bigger portion that is 60% evaporates you know, other then that the mazar galla income should be in millions and millions which goes directly to the center now you tell me where would the poor folks go.