Originally posted by porus:
Originally posted by Mubarak:
"Daimul Islam" by Molana Kazi Noman
This is very fanciful. The Daaim was written at the time when the Fatimi Imams probably expected continue ruling for ever and the office of Dai ul Mutlaq was not even a glimmer in their eyes.
The idea of Qaimul Qiyama was initially advanced by Hamiduddin Kirmani and dates after Daimul Islam. Qaimul Qiyama is not 100th Imam but, as part of Ismaili cycle of seven, his number would have to be some multiple of 7.
Porus: “The Daaim was written at the time when the Fatimi Imams probably expected continue ruling for ever and the office of Dai ul Mutlaq was not even a glimmer in their eyes.”
Mubarak: When you write you are using probability i.e. this may be right or may be wrong. You are NOT sure. When you say, “…the Fatimi Imams probably expected continue ruling for ever” can you kindly quote the source of this information or this is your own fancy creation?
As per the faith of Dawoodi Bohras, the Fatimi Imams are “Mustakar” Imams i.e. they are the Supreme on Earth. They know everything – all what happened in the past – from the birth of Earth, all what is happening in present and all what will happen in future – till the point when the life of Earth will come to the end as well as thereafter. Thus when you say, “…the Fatimi Imams probably expected continue ruling for ever and the office of Dai ul Mutlaq was not even a glimmer in their eyes.” As per Dawoodi Bohras faith you are making a false statement.
Allah said to Prophet Mohammed (s.a.), “I have taught u all what you not knew.” Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) said, “Ana Madinatul Ilm’e va Aliyun baboha” I am the city of Knowledge and Ali (a.s.) is its entrance gate.
Allah the creator knows everything, he taught to Prophet Mohammed (a.s.) and Prophet on 18-Zilhijj-Hihri 10 appointed Ali (a.s.) his successor i.e. Ali (a.s.) became the successor of all the knowledge and wisdom of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) and when Ali (a.s.) met martyrdom, Ali (a.s.) appointed Imam Hasan (a.s.) the first Imam in the chain of progeny of Molatina Fatima (a.s.) as his successor and Imam Hasan (a.s.) to Imam Hussain (a.s.) ….to Imam Ismail (a.s.) to Imam Mohammed (a.s.) bin Imam Ismail (a.s.)…to 21st Imam Tayyeb (a.s.) and till the 100th Imam Molana Mohammed Quaim (a.s.). So, every Imam in the unbroken chain of Imamat in the progeny of Molatina Fatima (a.s.) is the successor of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) thus they know all – past, present and future. Thus, dear respected brother Mr. Porus when you say, “…the Fatimi Imams probably expected continue ruling for ever and the office of Dai ul Mutlaq was not even a glimmer in their eyes.” Are not you indeed charging Allah that Allah do not know anything?
Porus: “The idea of Qaimul Qiyama was initially advanced by Hamiduddin Kirmani and dates after Daimul Islam. Qaimul Qiyama is not 100th Imam but, as part of Ismaili cycle of seven, his number would have to be some multiple of 7.”
Mubarak: Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) gave 100 beads rosary to Molatina Fatima (a.s.) and not 12 beads indicating that there will be one hundred Imams in the progeny of his daughter Fatima (a.s.) and not twelve. Irrespective of Shia/Sunni sect every body does rosary of 100. This is an example and hint given by Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) on the number of Imams. Thus Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) has reveled in the beginning the forecast of Imam Quaim than Sayyedna Hamiduddin kirmani. As per the book ‘Daim-ul-Islam’ of Molana Kazi Noman and other authentic books Molana Quaim will be 100th Imam and when you say it will be in multiple of 7 then you are putting forward your own personal fancies which has no relation with Shariyat.
The cycle of seven that you wrote is called ‘Saatra’. This ‘Satra’ will end on 98th Imam. The 99th Imam will be the one who will bring every religion and sect on this Earth and those who do not believe in any religion in one unified religion of Islam. Once this will be done then the 100th Imam Molana Mohammed Quaim (a.s.) will come and that will be the ‘Qayamat’, the day of judgment. And on that day every big sinner like Kaabeel, Namrood, Firaun, Abu Baker, Umar, Usman, Muawiya, Yazeed, Suleman (of Sulemania Bohries), Burhannuddin and his father Tahir Saiffuddin, Asghar Ali Engineer, Chaman Aai, etc will be summoned they will become live like the people of ‘Ashabul Kaif’ in Quran. The justification will be done flawlessly then and there and they will not able to run away from the sin that they did in their life and prudent punishment will be awarded by 100th Imam Molana Quaim (a.s.).