Dawat in Pakistan?

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WiththenameofAllah
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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:41 am

pheonix wrote:
think wrote:he is laughing. does he even realize the pains of the majority of his followers living in the slums of bombay or karachi or africa. these are the few rich that support his agenda and so he rules the poor.
This one has no brains. Is there such a thing as negative brains?

Couldn't stop laughing...
You and your gang can only laugh at the miseries of people , the poverty,the deaths of innocent in the bomb blast in KARACHI ! You are getting your bank accounts filled ! Who cares .
You have no heart . Loot has caused your heart to grow hard !

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:07 am

Am I the only one who feels that the community brought the Jahiliyat and racism of Arabs which Rasulallah and Maula Ali fought for so long years... Well done Dai and his gang..

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by tasneempati » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:38 am

Paki Abdes are as foolish as their Wagad brothern.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:48 am

Yah I ev encountered some.. When they dont understand OR THEY DONT WANT TO... They just say "Apne su khabar pade, Mola to saglu jaane che." Where is Allah?

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:56 am

silvertongue wrote:They just say "Apne su khabar pade, Mola to saglu jaane che." Where is Allah?
Hahaha ! true ... May Allah guide their heart ameen ! Even Prophet S.A.W had no Ilm of Ghaib but Mola has :P . Astaghfirullah !
Take Raza of Mola to do every deed ; it is complete shirk.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:01 am

tasneempati wrote:Paki Abdes are as foolish as their Wagad brothern.
Man is a social animal. Society bounds them ! if they will leave the community how will they enjoy double clubs,single clubs,miti shitabis,majdlis , gatherings at masjid, etc. ! Moharram in Karachi masjid is more like a festival then lamenting .
This community gives rich an excellent chance to make use of their power and show off and poor to enjoy jaman at masjid !

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:17 am

Take Raza of Mola to do every deed ; it is complete shirk.
I remember an incident of a cousin, they were like any other abdes and one day they were about to have a child so they asked a name from Mola, as Mola is Ghaib na jankaar so he gave two female names. so Like normal abdes they were damn sure that they will have a girl. And guess what they GOT a BOY... So called for the Ghaib thing here. I couldnt stop laughing at that.. :D :D :D

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:47 am

silvertongue wrote:Am I the only one who feels that the community brought the Jahiliyat and racism of Arabs which Rasulallah and Maula Ali fought for so long years... Well done Dai and his gang..
Well said, kothar's objective is lead into the path of darkness so cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel. In this darkness the mullahs want to guide us to total submission and worship them as their Gods. The racism, ignorant practices and weird rituals which Islam prohibits is practiced by us as glorious acts. In fact, we are lead to practice by mullahs and co.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by think » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:48 am

i think this whole dawaat relates to ayat 31 to 34 and ayah 107 of surah tauba. we are also building mosques which if at all built by draining the mumineen dry is nothing more than a place to collect money and where masalla spaces are sold at a hefty price and where no other muslim can pray. our bohri masjids should not be called mosques since since there are salaams and money collection at every step.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Nafisa » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:21 am

Mufaddal is a good inventor, he started Ziyafat Lunch during Ramadan in Karachi in which he visit house of Rich Abde and collect Salaam One Caror Fifty Three Lakhs Rs only, without food. Charges of daily night Ziyafat(4 people ijtimaee) Five Carore Rs. only. Estimated amount of collection from Pakistan is fifteen Arab Rs, which they will transfer through Hundi.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:39 am

WiththenameofAllah wrote:
tasneempati wrote:Paki Abdes are as foolish as their Wagad brothern.
Man is a social animal. Society bounds them ! if they will leave the community how will they enjoy double clubs,single clubs,miti shitabis,majdlis , gatherings at masjid, etc. ! Moharram in Karachi masjid is more like a festival then lamenting .
This community gives rich an excellent chance to make use of their power and show off and poor to enjoy jaman at masjid !
And even matrimonial matches are made during these months, dates are common in Ramadhan. So this lamenting of Moharram and piety of Ramadhan turns out to be a festival for many bohras families. These double and single clubs are back biting and insult driven get together where people talk negativity for their families and others and gorge food like animals.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:55 am

think wrote:i think this whole dawaat relates to ayat 31 to 34 and ayah 107 of surah tauba. we are also building mosques which if at all built by draining the mumineen dry is nothing more than a place to collect money and where masalla spaces are sold at a hefty price and where no other muslim can pray. our bohri masjids should not be called mosques since since there are salaams and money collection at every step.
Absolutely correct, a place of worship has been turned into a place of business and social get together. We go to mosque not to worship Allah but to worship a corrupt head of a cult - MS. We go to mosque so people can see us and talk among themselves that he or she is a nice person as he or she comes to mosque every day. Prayers have least importance for us. Amils message and bayans are like heretic with no importance towards islam as a deen, morals, ethics or science and education. Amils command us to perform matam passionately while he himself beats his chest very softly watching others closely as to who does matam wildly and who doesn't. Even the old have to stand and perform matam forcefully. We are forced to do matam so it will make Dai happy without understanding the significance of Imam Hussain's sacrifice. The Amils has a high tendency to rant about miracles of all Dai and importance to pay the Dai more and more money to make Dai happy. It seems that for our community money is the way to reach heaven. The more you pay Dai the higher your chances to reach heaven. The bohra system has been ripped off all morals and ethical values of a good human society by mullahs and co.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:13 pm

silvertongue wrote:
Take Raza of Mola to do every deed ; it is complete shirk.
I remember an incident of a cousin, they were like any other abdes and one day they were about to have a child so they asked a name from Mola, as Mola is Ghaib na jankaar so he gave two female names. so Like normal abdes they were damn sure that they will have a girl. And guess what they GOT a BOY... So called for the Ghaib thing here. I couldnt stop laughing at that.. :D :D :D
Usually answers of emails and written arzi are given by mullahs on dawat letter pads and signed on behalf of Mukasir or Mazoon. These mullahs receive these emails at important locations in Badri Mahals or other Jamea headquarters. Many of the emails never reaches MS. Names of children and other duas to the reply of our arzis are given by Mullahji's as young as twenty five year old men. MS and gang never have time nor are they available to answer to so many arzi's arriving daily. Unless, any bhaishabs directly calls any shz or MS's dewans or if you directly approach and communicate MS in a ziyafat than it is another story.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:43 pm

Rebel wrote:
silvertongue wrote: I remember an incident of a cousin, they were like any other abdes and one day they were about to have a child so they asked a name from Mola, as Mola is Ghaib na jankaar so he gave two female names. so Like normal abdes they were damn sure that they will have a girl. And guess what they GOT a BOY... So called for the Ghaib thing here. I couldnt stop laughing at that.. :D :D :D
Usually answers of emails and written arzi are given by mullahs on dawat letter pads and signed on behalf of Mukasir or Mazoon. These mullahs receive these emails at important locations in Badri Mahals or other Jamea headquarters. Many of the emails never reaches MS. Names of children and other duas to the reply of our arzis are given by Mullahji's as young as twenty five year old men. MS and gang never have time nor are they available to answer to so many arzi's arriving daily. Unless, any bhaishabs directly calls any shz or MS's dewans or if you directly approach and communicate MS in a ziyafat than it is another story.
How do u know these inside stories ?

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:46 pm

Sister Nafisa and others from Pakistan

Can you share your reason why Bohras in a country like Pakistan which has a strong Islamic environment , school education that teaches Islamic culture, traditions that still have die hard abdes who practise hard core orthodox Bohraism , slaves for SMS .

Is it a few who are like that or the majority.

I have met many Bohras from Pakistan in the west and they are as or more fanatic then indian or African Bohras .

I also find a unique segregated mindset in many of them where they seat within their own thaal, socialise amongst themselves and to make their point they start speaking in Urdu . They are the least socially interrelated group in overseas. Is that how they also operate within Pakistan where they have their own classed grouping ?

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:55 pm

I believe bohra man have only one hobby "ogling" ! No matter it is ramadan or moharram . Haya has left heart of both men and women. Lowerig gaze , concept of wali , all these concepts have no place in bohra community.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:45 pm

I didn't understand what you are trying to say about Pakistan or Pakistanis. Yes the country has masjids and Madrassa in every other lane but what has that to do with our community. I tell my children if they are taught about 123 just read it write it and say laanat in your heart and this is the way it goes different groups some wearing green pagri some wearing brown each group with their own school of thought. Generally Pakistanis try to mind their business unless some self assuming Indian try to jump in their way. By the way there is a nick for Indians in our group I should share with you its VODAFONE so next time you find any Pakistani talking about Vodafone get alert. This mingling into own group is the trait of Indians and Africans but not Pakistanis. No hard feelings just making you feel the presence of your Pakistani brothers.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:52 pm

Tasneempati is wagad not in India if you are comparing Pakistani abdes don't say waged abdes say Indian foolish abdes.

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:19 pm

Yeah, I did find a few in this forum who are biased against people from Islamic republic of Pakistan. At least we don't live in the Hindu land which I am happy about. We may have lots of problem in our society and much of it is imported from others but it is always nice to hear Azaan all year round from every locality instead of Hindu bhajans.
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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:32 pm

Usually answers of emails and written arzi are given by mullahs on dawat letter pads and signed on behalf of Mukasir or Mazoon. These mullahs receive these emails at important locations in Badri Mahals or other Jamea headquarters. Many of the emails never reaches MS. Names of children and other duas to the reply of our arzis are given by Mullahji's as young as twenty five year old men. MS and gang never have time nor are they available to answer to so many arzi's arriving daily. Unless, any bhaishabs directly calls any shz or MS's dewans or if you directly approach and communicate MS in a ziyafat than it is another story.[/quote]
How do u know these inside stories ?[/quote][/quote]

Lol...this is not an inside story, most of the bohras know it but they don't want to believe it. Tell me, can Imam Hussein's fly and kill soldiers in the yazids army? People know that this can't be the truth but they accept it to be the truth with deductive reasoning or if they do reason they accept it cos their God the Great MS has said it. Can Moula hear matam from Switzerland when he is sleeping in Mumbai? Don't you hear from Amil say to people to beat their chests in frenzy and loudly so that Moula can hear it wherever he is and it will make him happy once h hears our beating chests loudly. So people know MS can't hear people beating their chests in Dubai while he himself is busy doing killing elephants in Africa but people do accept that their Moula would hear them although it is not logical scientifically to hear someone who is thousands of miles away unless you use communication technologies such as cell phones or web apps such as webex, hangout, skype etc etc.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:53 pm

Bohra spring wrote:Sister Nafisa and others from Pakistan

Can you share your reason why Bohras in a country like Pakistan which has a strong Islamic environment , school education that teaches Islamic culture, traditions that still have die hard abdes who practise hard core orthodox Bohraism , slaves for SMS .

Is it a few who are like that or the majority.

I have met many Bohras from Pakistan in the west and they are as or more fanatic then indian or African Bohras .

I also find a unique segregated mindset in many of them where they seat within their own thaal, socialise amongst themselves and to make their point they start speaking in Urdu . They are the least socially interrelated group in overseas. Is that how they also operate within Pakistan where they have their own classed grouping ?
Community people from all the world are hijacked and brainwashed by the kothar so it is not only Pakistani bohras. The loot and strategy to condition the minds is from the Indian side. The cult of Dai and most of the bhaisahebs are Indian nationals so the virus that infects us is from India.
The discrimination is from Indian side not Pakistani and honestly I found and encountered many instances in India and the west in which I was discriminated by Indian bohras. Urdu is our national language - it is a combination of Arabic and Persian so it is nothing wrong to speak in our mother tongue or national language, Indians do understand Urdu except we don't use Hindi words as it is not our language.
Indians bohras are much more westernized in many ways as Indian bohra boys and girls marry outside the community. I know several families in Mumbai and the west that bohras girls are married to Hindu guys and I was amazed to see the offspring of these wedlocks were practicing Hindus with Hindu names. Unlike Pakistani bohras being raised in Islamic state they at least have certain Islamic values attached to them.
The class grouping comes from the kothar and co. The objective of the kothar is create classes among the bohras and they are successful doing that.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:43 am

Bohra spring wrote:Sister Nafisa and others from Pakistan

Can you share your reason why Bohras in a country like Pakistan which has a strong Islamic environment , school education that teaches Islamic culture, traditions that still have die hard abdes who practise hard core orthodox Bohraism , slaves for SMS .

Is it a few who are like that or the majority.

I have met many Bohras from Pakistan in the west and they are as or more fanatic then indian or African Bohras .

I also find a unique segregated mindset in many of them where they seat within their own thaal, socialise amongst themselves and to make their point they start speaking in Urdu . They are the least socially interrelated group in overseas. Is that how they also operate within Pakistan where they have their own classed grouping ?
Pakistani society on the whole is facing corruption. Pakistani society consist of different sects: Sunnis,Shias,Hari paagr,Ahle sunnat,Memons,Ismailis,etc.All sects practice their sect openly and most of these practices are far from the teachings of Islam. Dawoodi Bohras in Pakistan are considered very honest,true,down to earth and peace loving. It is only memons that consider dawoodi bohras kafir.Bohras in pakistan have turn a deaf ear to all the problems of the country. All Mulla kids go to badri school or MSB and they kind of education they get from there only makes them more illiterate.Yet there are many Pakistani families who have given up on these false belief. Mostly girls have taken the step to save their next generation.

I doubt all people in west being die hard abdes or fanatic because most of them belong to upper middle class and this class in Pakistan do not go to masjid. They have a free will, Just pay the money these culprits require and enjoy their life the way they want to.Yes indians and Pakistanis do not go well along with each other.It is only because of the cultural difference and not because Pakistani's do not want to.

When you are abroad , it really feels good to talk to people from your own country as they understand your culture and the difficulties you face in a new country. It is just about rejoicing some memories of your country. Nothing the way you have portrayed.

yes class system is very common in Pakistan. A person from adam masjid,hydri,etc is considered lower and a person from Shabbirabad modrern,well educated and respected. This is only beacause of these iditos, their conspiracies and false religious teachings.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:04 am

These joined hands ! If they knew Only One Allah is the provider .
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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:06 am

{Fir‘aun (Pharaoh) said: "O chiefs! I know not that you have an ilâh (a god) other than me. So kindle for me (a fire), O Hâmân, to bake (bricks out of) clay, and set up for me a Sarh (a lofty tower) in order that I may look at (or look for) the God of Mûsâ (Moses); and verily, I think that he (Mûsâ) is one of the liars.} [28:38]
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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:08 am

Naozobillah he is just trying to become God . Astaghfirullah
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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:28 am

Its not his own fault either yaar.. These abdes have totally lost it. Either of fear or love Im not sure.. But this guy here is a GOD for them thats for sure.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by think » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:08 am

and jamia in haideri, karachi is turning out apostles for this god by the dozens. you ask, how come these bohri people never have faith in allah; the reason is simple; what would you believe if from the day you are born you have been drilled into moula this and moula that. The average bohri falls to this brain washing. If he or she had the time and the resources he would read and understand the quran. It is one thing to recite the quran and have a long beard and another to read the quran understand and try to act upon its teachings. It is the deed that counts not the recitation in arabic which one cannot understand. Today in Pakistan and elsewhere ,any one with a white or a fancy jubba ,a fancy topi and a long flowing beard, so he looks out of the ordinary has created for himself a following of a few , who then feed him, give him money and invite him in their homes for barakat. now a days amils and imams are everywhere in karachi and some bohries could not get enough from the mafia kothar so they go to other dargahs of non bohri priests hoping that their prayers would be answered.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:54 am

Rebel wrote:Yeah, I did find a few in this forum who are biased against people from Islamic republic of Pakistan. At least we don't live in the Hindu land which I am happy about. We may have lots of problem in our society and much of it is imported from others but it is always nice to hear Azaan all year round from every locality instead of Hindu bhajans.
What a narrow-minded, parochial and sectarian post from an otherwise intelligent person. This once again confirms my suspicion that no matter how educated, liberal and sophisticated a Pakistani is, their prejudice against Hindus/India remains deep-seated. They carry a huge chip on their shoulders about Muslim exceptionalism. If our azan connects Muslims to Allah, their bhajans connect them to their bhagwan. Do you seriously believe that our and their Creator is not the same?

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:42 am

To Echo further
In India if Muslims are being killed by Hindus, we do make noise and complain and win the symphathy of many around the world but Unfortunately it is the Muslims in Pakistan who are killing Pakistani Muslim, who do they complain to...
Indian Muslims know more about diversity and understand the meaning of Tolerance which unfortunately is lacking in all Muslim ruled countries. Yes we may face discrimination in India but can you honestly say that no such discrimination exits in any Muslim Countries against Muslims themselves, At least Indian Muslims are treated better in India then Pakistani Muslims are treated in Gulf Countries or in their own country.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Rebel » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:42 pm

Humsafar wrote:
Rebel wrote:Yeah, I did find a few in this forum who are biased against people from Islamic republic of Pakistan. At least we don't live in the Hindu land which I am happy about. We may have lots of problem in our society and much of it is imported from others but it is always nice to hear Azaan all year round from every locality instead of Hindu bhajans.
What a narrow-minded, parochial and sectarian post from an otherwise intelligent person. This once again confirms my suspicion that no matter how educated, liberal and sophisticated a Pakistani is, their prejudice against Hindus/India remains deep-seated. They carry a huge chip on their shoulders about Muslim exceptionalism. If our azan connects Muslims to Allah, their bhajans connect them to their bhagwan. Do you seriously believe that our and their Creator is not the same?
-Humsafar-you are completely biased against us. No wonder your bohra system has so much Hindu influence and it is not us that has deep hatred against us. It is you and your likes that have deep hatred for us and I have at many occasions and places faced the discrimination of Indian Bohras against Pakistani Bohras.
You people do consider bhajans as part of your life and therefore have accepted Hindu rituals as part of bohra religion. Coming from an Islamic state I do not accept the deflowered bohra cult which has been created from Allah's message and changed in so many ways by your Dai and gang. Your RAW is always active to destabilize us in many ways but we are only nuclear powered Islamic state.
Hindu is a religion for Hindus to practice and none of my business. Being a Muslim I do not want to mix religious and other rituals as part of Islam. Islam is totally different religion than Hinduism. The concept and practices are very different. Although all religion may have the similar ideologies to be a good human being however, they reach God in different ways. It the practice that counts to reach your creator. Otherwise there would not be any difference between other religions and Islam as they all direct and connect us to some extraordinary being who you call creator. You may be Hindu, Parsi, Christian, Jew therefore from your viewpoint they could be same as the reach out to the same creator so accordingly with your thinking it is ok to worship hundreds of God or One God because you worship the same creator. So with your thinking you can may practice any religion or cult because you worship the same creator.