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Fatema MN
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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Fatema MN » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:27 am

Mufaddal bhaisaab is trying to convince people that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA was not an ordinary man (which I agree) and that if he wished, he could sit up, speak loudly and clearly and drink sherbet after a severe stroke. Doctors can say as they please. OK, so I believe in miracles, so I will believe that all this can happen if Mola wished it. But the part I find hard to believe is....Why were the doctors not informed of this miraculous improvement in his health?? Why was there no note of it in the medical records?? Did the shehzadas not want Moula to recover fully? Of course they did! So why not inform the doctors about it??? OK, now suppose we still give them the benefit of doubt and say that they were taken by surprise by Moula's sudden recovery and so they could not inform the doctors. But when they all came back with Mufaddal bhaisaab and the whole sherbet routine happened, why not inform them then???

Sorry, this story does not go down my throat! Mumineen will certainly choke if you try to force it down their throat!!

Regarding the case... if this London story does not hold water, it casts a doubt on all of the other claims of nass episodes by Mufaddal bhaisaab supporters!!!

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Haqq_Prevails » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:36 am

If Burhanuddin Mola RA wished, he could have shown his ruhani strength in Raudat Tahera and decalred his nass in Public very clearly!, but he did not wish. He could have done the same several years before when he underwent major surgery (I think Pancreatitis), or at any other time when his speech was great. But he did not do that, because he had already done his deed fifty years ago. He was at peace with his trusted brother and mazoon!

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by salaar » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:36 am

let me predict the outcome of this case, well this will not be something crisp and easy, time will take its course, proofs and witnesses from both sides examination cross questioning etc etc etc both the parties will start feeling exhausted much defamation for the community finally representative of SMS side will go and silently negotiate with SKQ after some bargaining a hidden accord or deal would be reached, some give and take you know in millions and millions will take place finally some words of solace and taqeeyat from both sides to their followers and everything would be forgotten in a couple of years, time is a big healer. RIGHT OR WRONG

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:20 pm

Like I said earlier, next will be Farman not to read newspaper articles. Ghano mohto ghunah chhe ehvu vachvu. (Read we don't want you to read our kartoot) so the Aam Abde will not read newspaper articles mentioning the case.

Then we may get over zealous Bohris petitioning against newspapers for printing the proceedings in court.

Khamoshi ikhtiyar kari chhe because anything you say shall be used against you in the court of law. And you will slip up when you fabricate "truths". How conveniently MS said he didn't remember the date when some donkeys years ago SMB gave him the letter. Imagine you son remember the date when Nass was done on you which should be a historic occasion. Reason,mention wrong date & someone says so and so date guy were here and not in mumbai, bhando baddho phuti jaat.

But then on takhat MS screams his way around as if shouting will make lies as truths. Well not in a court of law. But yes Abdes can continue to live with aql upar patti.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Bori85 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:09 pm

salaar wrote:let me predict the outcome of this case, well this will not be something crisp and easy, time will take its course, proofs and witnesses from both sides examination cross questioning etc etc etc both the parties will start feeling exhausted much defamation for the community finally representative of SMS side will go and silently negotiate with SKQ after some bargaining a hidden accord or deal would be reached, some give and take you know in millions and millions will take place finally some words of solace and taqeeyat from both sides to their followers and everything would be forgotten in a couple of years, time is a big healer. RIGHT OR WRONG

Outcome will be like Sunny Doel's dialouge in one movie "Tarikh pe Tarikh, "Tarikh pe Tarikh "Tarikh pe Tarikh" what else can we expect from Indian Judiciary system.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:08 pm

Bori85 wrote:
salaar wrote:let me predict the outcome of this case, well this will not be something crisp and easy, time will take its course, proofs and witnesses from both sides examination cross questioning etc etc etc both the parties will start feeling exhausted much defamation for the community finally representative of SMS side will go and silently negotiate with SKQ after some bargaining a hidden accord or deal would be reached, some give and take you know in millions and millions will take place finally some words of solace and taqeeyat from both sides to their followers and everything would be forgotten in a couple of years, time is a big healer. RIGHT OR WRONG

Outcome will be like Sunny Doel's dialouge in one movie "Tarikh pe Tarikh, "Tarikh pe Tarikh "Tarikh pe Tarikh" what else can we expect from Indian Judiciary system.
Brother,
Money talks.....BS walks!

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:35 pm

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.

- Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by accountability » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:05 pm

I was going through all the posts on this thread, and I found one thing very amazing. no one discussed what they are fighting for. SKQ claims to be real and haq na dai. SMS counter claims to be real and haq na dai. dai means one who summons, so they both are summoning their followers to what. or are they summoning. it seems that they both are not summoners, but claimant emperors. they are fighting for and defending for the empire. the empire of dirt. look what has become of them. Syedna Burhanuddin was brother of SKQ and father of SMS. yet what they did to him in his old age. they paraded him in front of thousands. his neck on one side, his lips trembling, hands shaking. glaring at the onlookers with empty eyes and shut brain. what good is this wealth, this empire this palace. there is no peace. gods don't claim to be gods, they act like gods. these gods have no godliness , so they cannot act like god. they claim to be close to god, yet god is not so close to them.
all claims and counter claims are false and fabricated. our previous dai suffered stroke, for years he was bed ridden with no speech. read this jalib's poem. it seems it is written for them.

MeiN ney us sey ye kaha
ye jo das carrorr heiN,
jehl ka nichorr heiN
inki fikr so gayi
har umeed ki kiran,
zulmatoN meiN kho gai
ye khabar darust hai,
inki maot ho gai
be'shaoor log heiN
zindagi ka rog heiN
aur terey paas hey
in ke dard ki dawa
meiN ney us sey ye kaha
meiN ney us sey ye kaha

Tu khuda ka noor hey
aql hey, shaoor hey
qaom tere saath hey
tere hi wajood se
mulk ki nijaat hey
tu hey mehr-e-subh-e-nao
tere baad raat hai!
bolte jo chand heiN
sab ye shar-pasand heiN
inki kheinch ley zubaaN
inka ghont de gala
meiN ney us sey ye kaha
meiN ney us sey ye kaha

Jin ko tha zubaaN pe naaz
chup heiN wo zubaaN-daraaz
cheiN hey samaaj meiN
bemisaal fark hay
kal meiN aur aaj meiN
apne kharch par heiN qaed
log tere raaj meiN
meiN ney us sey ye kaha
meiN ney us sey ye kaha

Aadmi hey wo barra
ghar pe jo rahey parra
jo panaah maang ley
uski bakhsh dey khata
meiN ney us sey ye kaha
meiN ney us sey ye kaha

das carrorr ye gadhe
jin ka naam hey awaam
kia banaiN ge hukmaraN
tu yaqeeN hey ye gumaaN
apni to duwa hey ye
sadr tu rahey sada
meiN ney us sey ye kaha
meiN ney us sey ye kaha!

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:09 am

Interest in the conflict cannot be ignored/denied. No matter how much kothar tries to check the spread of information. Technology has advanced so much that information is imposed whether one likes it or not. Abdes are reading what is forbidden. This conflict drama has turn into “daily-soap-opera” where people are watching eagerly for the next trick and move by both opponents.

Deen has been sidelined many years ago since the glorification of dai has become the centre of attention in every waaz, mikaat and opportunity. My definition of deen extends beyond ritualistic namaaz, hajj, saum etc. the essence of deen; worship of allah is to help ourselves create a better world for everyone !

Morality of abdes are now limited to their own conveniences. If we observe our philanthropy scheme are benefitting those who don’t need it. Thaali feeding the one who don’t ask for it. MSB (schooling) is more expensive and is intended to brainwash next generation of abdes, dargahs have become honeymoon resorts, jamaatkhanas have become socializing clubs with lavish kharaas & mithaas, masjid have become theatre with every seat charged and screens exposing idolatry of abdes. Every aspect of abde’s life has become a matter of pompous expression, from being spiritual to generous. Washing off their sense of responsibility by donating wealth for their own conveniences and considering it an act of charity !

Majority of abdes and bohras don’t care about their deen, most of them are not worried at all, be it SMS or SKQ winning, they need the yearly events of Muharram Tafree, Ramazan Niyaaz, Salgiraah events etc running. They need an idol on the pedestal to give face, physical form to their sense of piety and spirituality.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by admirer » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:45 am

humanbeing wrote:Interest in the conflict cannot be ignored/denied. No matter how much kothar tries to check the spread of information. Technology has advanced so much that information is imposed whether one likes it or not. Abdes are reading what is forbidden. This conflict drama has turn into “daily-soap-opera” where people are watching eagerly for the next trick and move by both opponents.

Deen has been sidelined many years ago since the glorification of dai has become the centre of attention in every waaz, mikaat and opportunity. My definition of deen extends beyond ritualistic namaaz, hajj, saum etc. the essence of deen; worship of allah is to help ourselves create a better world for everyone !

Morality of abdes are now limited to their own conveniences. If we observe our philanthropy scheme are benefitting those who don’t need it. Thaali feeding the one who don’t ask for it. MSB (schooling) is more expensive and is intended to brainwash next generation of abdes, dargahs have become honeymoon resorts, jamaatkhanas have become socializing clubs with lavish kharaas & mithaas, masjid have become theatre with every seat charged and screens exposing idolatry of abdes. Every aspect of abde’s life has become a matter of pompous expression, from being spiritual to generous. Washing off their sense of responsibility by donating wealth for their own conveniences and considering it an act of charity !

Majority of abdes and bohras don’t care about their deen, most of them are not worried at all, be it SMS or SKQ winning, they need the yearly events of Muharram Tafree, Ramazan Niyaaz, Salgiraah events etc running. They need an idol on the pedestal to give face, physical form to their sense of piety and spirituality.
This is an excellent summary of the present-day status of a general Bohra. The whole world is progressing and we are regressing. And how! It is high time the brainwashed actually washed their brains and applied a bit of logic. Irrespective of the fact who wins the case, the general community stands a loser. Who knows there might be a settlement between the two as well! But 1000s of families have already been affected.

They (the so called shehzadas, amils and mullas) preach that we should treat every human with respect and dignity. And what we are doing? Alienating our friends and families and loved ones just on the pretext that they follow a different Dai?

We need to seriously grow up!

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:09 pm

Fatemidawat.com has been updated.
For Truth, Justice, and the Future of the Dawoodi Bohra Community

وَاللهُ غَالِبٌ عَلى اَمْرِهِ وَلكِنَّ اَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لا يَعْلَمُونَ(Surat Yusuf: 21)FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE FUTURE OF THE DAWOODI BOHRA COMMUNITY. This is the reason for which Syedna Qutbuddin TUS has approached the Indian Judiciary. Prior to this Syedna Qutbuddin made repeated attempts to resolve this internally, including by an invitation to debate this matter and establish his rightful claim based on nass conferred on him by His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA , the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq, following the guidance of His Holiness Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA , the 51st Dai al-Mutlaq. All the attempts made by Syedna Qutbuddin TUS, have been ignored and rebuffed by Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, who has made several false and contradictory claims as to how nass was performed on him. The action take in the court was a last resort that had to be taken to ensure that the path set by the previous Dai al-Mutlaqs is followed, and the Community is not torn asunder by false claimants, and having full faith in the Indian Judiciary.As Dai al-Mutlaq it is his duty to safeguard the interests of the Dawoodi Bohra community; a duty which Syedna Qutbuddin has been entrusted with by his predecessor, the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.Syedna Qutbuddin follows the path of his predecessors. The 51st and 52nd Dai have both established their rights in the Indian Judiciary when challenged; they have recognized the jurisdiction of the courts and defended their rights and also approached the courts as plaintiffs to assert their rights.The Chanda bhai Gulla Case in the early 1900’s was technically about the accountability of the Dai for the offerings placed in the Gulla next to the tomb of Chanda bhai Seth in Mumbai. Syedna Taher Saifuddin contended that if the plaintiffs believed him to be the Dai al-Mutlaq then the question of accountability to them would not arise, as the Dai was accountable only to the Imam. The plaintiffs immediately challenged Syedna Taher Saifuddin as Dai and alleged that he was not Dai al-Mutlaq because, according to them, the chain of succession had been broken at the 47th Dai. As a consequence, the case became about establishing the rightful succession of the 47th Dai. Syedna Taher Saifuddin presented doctrinal and textual evidence establishing the succession of the 46th Dai Syedna Abdul Qadir Najmuddin. One of the key pieces of evidence was a letter by the Mazoon of the 46th and 47th Dai-s, Syedi Hebatullah Jamaluddin, in which he acknowledged the succession of the 47th Dai Syedna Abdul Qadir Najmuddin and referred to him as the Dai on which the Nass was conferred repeatedly (al-mansus alayhi miraran). In the present context it is worth highlighting that the testimony of the Mazoon held such weight that following the presentation of this letter, the judge stated that of all the accounts of Nass presented to the court, this was the clearest.This judgment held weight in privy council case in 1925 and in all subsequent cases in Syedna Taher Saifuddin’s era (Hakimiyyah for example) and also in Syedna Burhanuddin’s era (Udaipur etc). The position of the Dai al-Mutlaq was never disputed ever since the court ruling.Now that the position of the 53rd Dai is being challenged, we are approaching the High Court of Mumbai with confidence in the Indian Judiciary. Further details of the proceedings will be updated soon inshaallah.Mumineen are urged to stand firm in their belief and support the Dawat of Imam-uz-zaman and his Dai in these challenging times. Mumineen in Mumbai are organizing an Association of Supporters. More details for support will be posted soon inshaallah.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:12 pm

@admin
This thread should be a sticky as this is going to be a long drawn process with regular updates and discussions
Thread title should be Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by genesis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:30 am

If the court sees some merit in the case made out by the KQ side regarding the improbability of appointment of SMS then it would seem that the judges will have some real work to do at hand because even the KQ claim of his appointment is not well-testimonised either. In the resulting situation, the court should order a polling to determine what the followers think and want. This could be unprecedented and even out of the dawat rules book but would at least yield a fair judgement. The polling should be strictly under court vigil and without the individual members having to reveal their name and identity. It would be interesting to see who gets what percentage because the people will be exercising their free-will without fear or pressure for the first time. Any guesses, anyone ???

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:51 am

Court Judgement or not ! bohras are swayed / influenced by show and pomp, whoever shows more pomp, opulence and offers more convenient faith, abdes will follow that DAI.

India being the HQ and easy-going country for bohraism to flourish, SMS is establishing political clout, bohras will see the wordly advantage of political favor and support policies of SMS. If SKQ happens to be strict on religiosity and applied deen discipline, many abdes are too used to and habituated with idolizing Dais and any tom from royal family.

SKQ needs to reach out to masses, he needs to take the tours into deep waghaar, Gujarat and other regions. Start connecting with semi literate yet rich and powerful abdes. These abdes are the real power of SMS with funding and allegiance.

SKQ needs to do this tours the hardway, get feet on streets. Simplicity is the best way to impress and win hearts. Keep things simple. Shall not indulge in self glorification, it is a put off. Promote Islam / Imam Hussain / Imam Ali, bring back the shia connection with Imam Hussain’s struggle. Stop glorifying oneself in guise of Imam hussain. Keep struggle of karbala an incident to inspire from and not a sobbing ritual !

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by monginis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:31 am

humanbeing wrote:Court Judgement or not ! bohras are swayed / influenced by show and pomp, whoever shows more pomp, opulence and offers more convenient faith, abdes will follow that DAI.

India being the HQ and easy-going country for bohraism to flourish, SMS is establishing political clout, bohras will see the wordly advantage of political favor and support policies of SMS. If SKQ happens to be strict on religiosity and applied deen discipline, many abdes are too used to and habituated with idolizing Dais and any tom from royal family.

SKQ needs to reach out to masses, he needs to take the tours into deep waghaar, Gujarat and other regions. Start connecting with semi literate yet rich and powerful abdes. These abdes are the real power of SMS with funding and allegiance.

SKQ needs to do this tours the hardway, get feet on streets. Simplicity is the best way to impress and win hearts. Keep things simple. Shall not indulge in self glorification, it is a put off. Promote Islam / Imam Hussain / Imam Ali, bring back the shia connection with Imam Hussain’s struggle. Stop glorifying oneself in guise of Imam hussain. Keep struggle of karbala an incident to inspire from and not a sobbing ritual !
he is already doing this from years.

I have never heard a single incident of SKQ being extravagant in any of his tour or humiliating any poor momeen.

my personal encounter with him few years back were very impressive, his simple clothes dressing and humble behaviour was a change of breeze for me.

ps- I have opposite experience with mukasir in my sister wedding regarding money cover and all (which was held in badri mahal ),but because he is rutba naa saheb I would not like to talk more about it. (may be again it was plot by his sons and not my mukasir him self)

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:49 am

I agree Moniginis !

SMS and his siblings are more active in grabbing the limelight and throwing themselves everywhere to grab as much attention, moolah and importance. Even their bayaans are shallow and filled with self glorification.

Hardly or never seen mazoon going around in chartered flights or opulent rath yatras around india or world touring. Usually everything that kothar does get advertised all around with neerali shaan melodrama ! mazoon & mukasir being important position holders are low profile.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:52 am

genesis wrote:If the court sees some merit in the case made out by the KQ side regarding the improbability of appointment of SMS then it would seem that the judges will have some real work to do at hand because even the KQ claim of his appointment is not well-testimonised either. In the resulting situation, the court should order a polling to determine what the followers think and want. This could be unprecedented and even out of the dawat rules book but would at least yield a fair judgement. The polling should be strictly under court vigil and without the individual members having to reveal their name and identity. It would be interesting to see who gets what percentage because the people will be exercising their free-will without fear or pressure for the first time. Any guesses, anyone ???

I don't know how prudent it is for them to give away the line of thinking in this case, but use of historic cases, instances will be one.

This on Faremi Dawat site

http://fatemidawat.com/sijill_articles/

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by abde53 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:14 am

Genesis
In the resulting situation, the court should order a polling to determine what the followers think and want. This could be unprecedented and even out of the dawat rules book but would at least yield a fair judgement.
Dai is not elected by election nor the number of followers but by the Ilham of Imam
If court agrees with your argument then what is role of Imam U Zaman unless you think that there is no such thing as Imam U Zaman

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:27 am

So does this mean that even Imam has to show up in court?!
Since, this case is too complicated to understand for a normal abde, how will they come up with a conclusion to who is the successor?.
I wish wherever the Imam is he has to show up now and clear things out, than if things are not cleared out it will raise a question on his integrity.
what if Imam Aga Khan becomes the mediator as a Zahir Imam?! Just a thought!

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:09 am

My Hypothesis about this case:
what if SKQ sahib was declared as the successor by STS(RA), but SMB(RA) objected but out of courtesy he had to declare it but he did it in such a manner that it remained a mystery for all. so that in future he could contradict his own statement by declaring SMS as his successor. What if he had plans in my mind for his direct family instead of his step brothers or step sisters. What if SKQ sahib was made to believe that he should be neglected so that he does not get acknowledged.

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Pictures of Burhanuddin's debiliated body used by Mufaddal

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Unread post by phdguy » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:25 pm

I am closely following the court case and I heard that the people from Mufaddal camp are arguing the Burhanuddin was well off talked and moved on his own after the london stroke was "cured". Can anyone post the pictures and video of Burhanuddin post 2011 london controversy?

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:29 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:My Hypothesis about this case:
what if SKQ sahib was declared as the successor by STS(RA), but SMB(RA) objected but out of courtesy he had to declare it but he did it in such a manner that it remained a mystery for all. so that in future he could contradict his own statement by declaring SMS as his successor. What if he had plans in my mind for his direct family instead of his step brothers or step sisters. What if SKQ sahib was made to believe that he should be neglected so that he does not get acknowledged.
Bhai

Do you or not believe in Haq, Haq na Imam and Haq na Dai?

Then such hypothesis can be addressed. What is your belief?

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Re: Pictures of Burhanuddin's debiliated body used by Mufadd

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Unread post by salaar » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:26 pm

at least observe the due respects in calling names. say Syedna Burhanuddin, for you he maybe like any other person on the street but there are others who loved him more then their real parents.

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Re: Pictures of Burhanuddin's debiliated body used by Mufadd

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Unread post by monginis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:04 pm

dont respond this guy unless he follows basic norms of talking.

his phd is useless, if he dont know how to respect.

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Re: Pictures of Burhanuddin's debiliated body used by Mufadd

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:55 pm

very cleverly all the pictures from the archive of Malumaat, zeininfosys and Mumineen have disappeared all of a sudden! these guys can steep so low i could not imagine, if they are on haq then why are the hiding and obscuring things.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:06 pm

1) Party Names : Khuzemabhai Syedna Taher Safuddin Sahab v/s Mufaddal Burhanuddin Saifuddin.
Bench: Bombay (Original)
Case No: NMS/746/2014 (stamp).

2) Party Names: Khuzemabhai Syedna Taher Saifuddin Sahab v/s Mufaddal Burhanuddin Saifuddin.
Bench: Bombay (Original)
Case No: S/291/2014 (stamp)

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Re: Pictures of Burhanuddin's debiliated body used by Mufadd

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:40 pm

Br Salar
Is not this little hypocritical of you that if people call Muffadal instead of Syedi you are outraged but had no problem in the past when Mazoon was given Lanaats

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Re: Pictures of Burhanuddin's debiliated body used by Mufadd

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Unread post by phdguy » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:26 am

firstly I no longer believe that he is syedna . If you see any other journalistic piece of writing than only first name or last name is used . Even Prophet Muhammad pbuh only first name is used in many literature works.

So dont think I am disrespecting by not putting syedna. Why should I put syedna when I dont believe he is. And he was responsible for alienating and oppressing his own people ? the result of which is this very forum.

Anyways he is dead but his and his fathers evil legacy has been multiplied manyfold and to the extend many of the bohras have even fedup with religion and have become apostates. You see the kind of harm can be done by such fraudulent people? They take humans out from the way of Allah. I am glad that this era is not of the deaf and dumb but era of information , awareness, kejriawals,snowdens, wikileaks etc every wrong will be questioned and removed.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:54 am

The case came before Justice Kathawala on 7th April at 11 am. He advised both Mufaddal Bhaisaheb and Syedi Khuzema Qutbuddin to settle the issue by mutual consultation as it is a religious issue.

When it was put on behalf of Syedi Khuzema that he had already made that offer to Mufaddal to Debate and Decide, but he has not responded.

The Judge gave them 15 days time to debate and decide and come back to him.

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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by monginis » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:00 am

Its just a norm, we all know this is not going to settle down unless third party steps in.