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S. Insaf
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:07 pm

Next date of High Court hearing is 10th November 2014

Ozdundee
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:21 am

Is the case drifting ..do we expect any substantive evidence or decision soon ?

While dates are moving , money is also flowing into the lawyers pockets ...either someone is going to runout of money or worn out. This will leave ,any people in a mess.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:47 pm

I highly doubt either side is going anywhere. And whatever the outcome of the case, it still won't decide the issue of succession; that lies in the brains and hearts of mumineen. As the saying goes: you can lead a horse to the water...

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:54 am

I cannot understand, MS is having NUMEROUS evidences + Political Power + Wealth + Supporters and on the other side SKQ saheb is having NONE. This directly means that the case result should be in favor of MS but still no result is coming out from last 7 or 8 months. WHY?

Should i consider the evidences that MS is presenting in court is not up to mark and has some faults for which they require more time.

This is just a wild guess

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Sceptical » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:57 am

fustrate_Bohra wrote:I cannot understand, MS is having NUMEROUS evidences + Political Power + Wealth + Supporters and on the other side SKQ saheb is having NONE. This directly means that the case result should be in favor of MS but still no result is coming out from last 7 or 8 months. WHY?

Should i consider the evidences that MS is presenting in court is not up to mark and has some faults for which they require more time.

This is just a wild guess
exactly my thoughts.
However, I don't know how justice system works in India, if it's a normal procedure or not.

Another question : MS has important relation with Narendra Modi, has KQ any chance to win this case?

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:28 pm

Whoever wins the case the fact is split has happened.

Now the responsibility lies with both claimant as to how well they can manage their followers or what better they can do to attract new followers.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Sceptical » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:35 pm

for SKQ's camp, winning this case can be an argument to attract followers, a kind of psychological effect.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:56 pm

I think for the faithful on Syedna Qutbuddin side, the outcome of the case has no bearing except on those who care more about social and financial bonuses.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Adam » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:59 am

Why did they start the Case then?
Dimagh ni masti? (Words of Iblo)

SBM
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:45 am

Adam wrote:Why did they start the Case then?
Dimagh ni masti? (Words of Iblo)
As they both have same DNA, he is also looking for billions of dollars and looking for riding in 6 horses A/C buggie with Yazidi looking guards walking behind him.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:19 pm

Adam wrote:Why did they start the Case then?
Dimagh ni masti? (Words of Iblo)
The case was initiated so that those who were answering the call of Syedna Qutbuddin the rightful successor to Burhanuddin Moula would have masjids to pray and congregate in and mazaars to visit. Syedna Qutbuddin is the rightful Trustee of these places. That is not to say that absent these facilities, the truly enlightened will not follow. As can be seen at present.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Adam » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:37 pm

think_for_yourself wrote:
Adam wrote:Why did they start the Case then?
Dimagh ni masti? (Words of Iblo)
The case was initiated so that those who were answering the call of Syedna Qutbuddin the rightful successor to Burhanuddin Moula would have masjids to pray and congregate in and mazaars to visit. Syedna Qutbuddin is the rightful Trustee of these places. That is not to say that absent these facilities, the truly enlightened will not follow. As can be seen at present.
Okay then.
Inshallah, the court will be in the favour of the Haq na Saheb Syedna Mufaddal.
You'll will be stuck in Thana (jail) in Thane for many years to come.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:41 pm

The court is not going to decide in anyone's favor. The court is going to take the middle way out. It is going to leave it to the will of the people. And that is the right thing to do. It should let the property in areas go to the majority group. Get ready for one more bohra sect and further proof of the non-existence of the Imam.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by next_generation2014 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:07 am

What happened to Gujarat high court case ?
I have not seen any update for Gujarat high court from long time... on Fatemi Dawat

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:02 pm

Adam wrote:
think_for_yourself wrote: The case was initiated so that those who were answering the call of Syedna Qutbuddin the rightful successor to Burhanuddin Moula would have masjids to pray and congregate in and mazaars to visit. Syedna Qutbuddin is the rightful Trustee of these places. That is not to say that absent these facilities, the truly enlightened will not follow. As can be seen at present.
Okay then.
Inshallah, the court will be in the favour of the Haq na Saheb Syedna Mufaddal.
You'll will be stuck in Thana (jail) in Thane for many years to come.
And you sir , are welcome to your hubris. The higher you rise, the farther you have to fall....SSSPLAATTT!!!!

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:09 pm

Adam wrote:Inshallah, the court will be in the favour of the Haq na Saheb Syedna Mufaddal.
This is the most likely scenario because your master's pal Narendra Modi is at the helm of affairs and he will see to it that Muffy gets due rewards for the billions paid to him and his party.
Adam wrote:You'll will be stuck in Thana (jail) in Thane for many years to come.
Why don't you go there to rescue your co-brothers ? But remember one thing that SKQ's bungalow is on the border of Rajiv Gandhi National Park and you are bound to be attacked by leopards in case you play some mischief or utter laanats :mrgreen:

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:49 pm

Okay then.
Inshallah, the court will be in the favour of the Haq na Saheb Syedna Mufaddal.
Interestingly Adam will accept Court decision of Haq Naa Dai if decided by a Hindu Judge in favor of SMS but will not accept the same Judge's decision if it went in favor of SKQ
SO ADAM THE TRUE DAI GOING FORWARD WILL BE DECIDED BY A HINDU JUDGE AND NOT THE IMAM Seems like return of Bharmal and Tarmal era of the Dawat.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:08 pm

SBM wrote:SO ADAM THE TRUE DAI GOING FORWARD WILL BE DECIDED BY A HINDU JUDGE AND NOT THE IMAM
If a Hindu guy can be a witness to his Nass drama as seen in his dreams, if Hindu guru Baba Ramdev can gale lagaofy him and if Hindu/RSS pracharak Modi can facilitate his Mohurrum vayez in his home state then why cant a Hindu judge decide his fate ??

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:40 pm

Court Case Update:
Date fixed for December 11th. First, Friday they have to file some affidavits. Then ten days to view them for any objections. On December 11th, judge will decide when to start fast track hearings. Final judgement expected by January end.
Received from someone who attended court.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by next_generation2014 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:03 pm

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 84702.aspx


Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the half-brother of the late Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, and the official heir Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin, will have to file their documents connected to the succession dispute in a week, the Bombay high court said on Monday.

Qutbuddin, 73, had filed a suit against Saifuddin in March, opposing his succession to the title of Syedna and seeking to restrain him from taking actions as the 53rd Dai – the religious head of the Dawoodi Bohra community.

In September, the court had framed issues in the matter, where each side will have to prove he was conferred valid nass, or the official declaration of succession.

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin passed away in January. While Qutbuddin claims he was privately anointed as the next Syedna many years ago, Saifuddin has contended he was publicly declared the 52nd Dai’s successor in 2011.

When the matter came up on Monday, justice RD Dhanuka directed both sides to file their papers. The matter was then fixed for December 11, to determine the admissibility of the documents placed on record by both sides.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:54 pm

next_generation2014 wrote:When the matter came up on Monday, justice RD Dhanuka directed both sides to file their papers.
The judge has also changed, first it was Justice Gautam Patel and now its Justice Dhanuka.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by subcon111 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:22 pm

At least there is steady progress in this case. A decision by Jan/Feb 2015 would be in quick time considering how the Indian judiciary system operates. Of course, there is nothing to stop either part from appealing the decision.

I think the best that common Bohris who are sitting on the fence and people on SKQ side can hope for is that as part of the discovery and evidence submission process information will become available to the public that will validate SKQ's claim and help the fence-sitters make a decision.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:29 am

Something over the last 2 months is shady about the case:

15-Sep: Issues are framed first time. Next hearing set for 14-Oct. Defendant is given till 6-Oct to mark portions in their written statement. (Para 4 of Order)
7-Oct: Out of the blue, when no hearing was scheduled, there is a new order with issue 5 re-framed. Time to mark paragraphs extended till 13th Oct
14-Oct: Time to mark paragraphs for defendant as mentioned in order 15-Sep order extended again, this time till 31-Oct-2014
10-Nov: The Judge seems to have been changed to Justice Dhanuka. The last time there was a change, there was public mention of recusal when Justice Kathawalla changed to Justice Gautam Patel. Next hearing 11-Dec for admissibility of documents.

Also to note, the website http://fatemidawatlegal.com/ has no update since the mention of 15-Sep order.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:45 pm

Interesting blog. Looks like it is being written by an SKQ follower or fence sitter.... Surprised that no one here has mentioned it...

http://mumineennijamaat.wordpress.com/

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:17 pm

Court orders in PDF format from Bombay High Court website (http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/) - the case number is S/337/2014.
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Hamd » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:50 am

I am glad court of law will give judgment in such a short span of time, ab doodh kaa doodh pani kaa pani jald ho jayenga. btw I am pretty sure judgment will go in favor of SMS but if it goes against him, it will be interesting to see what happens next.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:04 pm

btw I am pretty sure judgment will go in favor of SMS but if it goes against him, it will be interesting to see what happens next.
Seems like either you are Ghaaib Naa Jaankar or you already has justice in your pockets. So hypothetically if ruling goes in favor of SKQ, would you accept the judgement?

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Ummul Bani » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:38 pm

Hamd wrote:btw I am pretty sure judgment will go in favor of SMS but if it goes against him, it will be interesting to see what happens next.

You'll be disappointed! Nothing interesting will happen.
These are matters of faith and no court can decide somebody's faith.
People would just continue to follow whoever they are following at the moment.

The court will only decide the successor ( legally that is) and the ownership of the properties. And that's it.Nothing more , nothing less.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Hamd » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:44 pm

its a record of dawat that no case has been lost till date, since syedna taher saifuddin to till date, I am not aware of single case in which dawat has lost.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:57 pm

Which means that SKQ cannot loose cause he is the true Dai right?