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alivasan
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by alivasan » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:27 am

is the court case progressing?.I had been to MHC for fist 2 hearings and lost interest further.this guy g patel will only be interested in his vajifo (he is happy as long as modi sarkar) pays him on time..he least care about what happens to bohras...dust will be swept under carpet infill something important and serious comes up.this democracy is biggest natak ..here everyone (includes modi) saves there skin and just passes day as long as they are feeded for earnings and some amusement parties

alivasan
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by alivasan » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:38 am

There are many lapses in law,security and enforcement in this great circus(INDIA) where everyone has excuse for not going out of the way..lawmakers don't know laws and they themselves get trapped in silly laws which are not ammended since ages, so forget common peoples understanding..its complex cobweb and this puppets are paid to self glorify this without real value. professional firms like lawyers make there money out of this rot and rest is all ..bullshit samvidhan and ram bharose desh

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:10 pm

Let me rub it ....feels good .....Comrades ...

Now when did Someone we ignore say the case is waste of good money and return on investment would not deliver reform objectives.

Case reaching anniversary...the best it has delivered is create doubt and may give hope but has it challenged SMS position, ..not at all. Hope wow what a foolish feeling, is that not why abdes remain slaved...they hope this miserable servitude of life will lead them to heaven.

Sure we reformist cannot guarantee them heaven , because we cannot ...but we give them real possibility of living free with the dignity that billions of people around the world take for granted as they get it at birth and protected by the society they live in.

Even a Chinese or Afghan national has more individual freedom and rights than a typical Abde.

Now it is too late for plan B or plan C.

natkhat pari
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:46 am

Any update on list of document submitted by both side and common tranalator for both side on common understanding agreed by judge

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:09 am

Now that document are placed in high court can it made public as its concern there comunity
can it be acsses through RTI as its interest of DB faith
Alvajarat will do every thing to keep it doors of high courts so its double standard cannot be exposesd
can some of senior member find solution to it and how previous caseof dawat wherre kept in public domain

haqniwaat
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:19 pm

Don't worry, all will be made public in good time.

YaHussain
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by YaHussain » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:55 am

haqniwaat wrote:Don't worry, all will be made public in good time.
50 years is good?

Universaldad
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Universaldad » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:23 am

Question to the so called reformists and Khozemites, Are you going to abide by the court decision? Is it going to end all your doubts? After all it was KQ who filed the case, so it is hoped that he will abide by its decision. Correct?

Haqniwaat, Crater and KQ Toli respond.

YaHussain
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by YaHussain » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:29 am

yes this is correct, if KQ loses he should close down his shop and go to US and live retired life.

natkhat pari
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:58 am

Alvazarat has already started fateh mubin of case along with takhatnaseen programe as they know public memory is short .out of sight out of mind.
As seen in history of chandabhai gala case. Burhanpr case.excomnucation case. They celebrated fateh mubin even after court verdict against them

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by YaHussain » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:37 am

natkhat pari wrote:Alvazarat has already started fateh mubin of case along with takhatnaseen programe as they know public memory is short .out of sight out of mind.
As seen in history of chandabhai gala case. Burhanpr case.excomnucation case. They celebrated fateh mubin even after court verdict against them
dawoodi bohras are born to celebrate fateh, and those who are against us even if they win they cant celebrate.

amazing huh? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

natkhat pari
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:01 am

If Defendent party has decided that they will celebrate fateh mubin no mater verdict of high court.
Let the party start with takhnaseen programe show world by bringing 3 lacs people
so that world can see what an event mangement alvazerat has become so in future they can also arrange election rally for modi sarkar

YaHussain
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by YaHussain » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:13 am

celebration and khushi is for momeenin, here and hereafter Inshallah Ameen.

natkhat pari
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:20 am

Any update about domestic violence case in usa
as some of kids have stated on you tube that they consider kq as 53 dai mutlak over mb bs.
Will high court case and usa case can be clubed or final verdict depend on high court verdict

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:25 am

Inshallah we will celebrate because undeniably we are on Haq and Sirat-ul-mustaqeem we will celebrate in a solemn manner
not like your master with Dhol nagara and Disney land sleeping princess Chariot!

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by YaHussain » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:27 am

3 months are left for judgment lets see who celebrates and who gets his one way tickets for US :D

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:08 am

What about the judgement of you Muffadali Bohras on the judgement day! Because your master muffy has said that " JE ROTI NAHEE BANAWEY EHNEY MOULATENA FATEMA NI SHAAFAAT MALSE KE NAHEE".
Now kiddo go toss some rotis on your tawa! for your judgement!

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by YaHussain » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:04 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:What about the judgement of you Muffadali Bohras on the judgement day! Because your master muffy has said that " JE ROTI NAHEE BANAWEY EHNEY MOULATENA FATEMA NI SHAAFAAT MALSE KE NAHEE".
Now kiddo go toss some rotis on your tawa! for your judgement!
making roti is better than creating fitnah
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:09 pm

High court verdict will be challenged in superem court by either party .
So picture abhi baki hai

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by fayyaaz » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:05 am

Copy of email recd today:

Latest Received from Mumbai

VERDICT EXPECTED BY THE DAWOODI BOHRA MAJORITY

The two Dawedars are in the Mumbai High Court for the last 8 months to get nod of the Judge to be the next Daul-Mutlaq of one million Dawoodi Bohra, and the new sole Trustee of billions of dollars worth community property around the globe.

As usual the Court is taking her own times, the attorneys are playing their delay game and the Dawedars are trying their best to keep hold on their groups using all means.

It is understood that the both Dawedars have submitted their evidences, documents and arguments containing several volumes to prove their position.

The heart of their submission is related to the Fatemi Dawat, who is Imamuz Zaman, who is Daiul Mutlaq, how the Imamuz Zamam is selecting the Daiul Mutlaq, Mazun e Dawat and Mukashir e Dawat, how Nuss is being proclaimed, how it is witnessed, how many ways it can be interpreted, and finally how many precedents available in the history of Fatemi Dawat to select the Daiul Mutlaq, and now the both Dawedars will argue to prove their case on these beliefs.

Based on the information available, the submission, evidences and documents presented by both the groups surprisely found that 95% documents of both the groups are almost similar, they have forcefully represented that the Imamuz Zaman, who is alive on this earth has the sole authority to nominate the Daiul Mutlaq and advised him to nominate the highest persons for the other 2-positions. Further, both groups have confessed that the Dailu Mutlaq is carrying out the work of the Imamuz Zaman on daily basis taking orders from him. Even more, both groups have stated that without the permission and raza of the Imamuz Zaman, not a single leave of any tree can move. Moreover, no one can be admitted in to the Heaven without the raza of the Imamuz Zaman, and confirmation of many who have been admitted in to the Heaven have also been received by the Daiul Mutlaq.

Now when the Court is reviewing all the documents and getting ready to hear the arguments, and take decision, it would be much better if the Court and the Judge also try to listen the majority voice of one million Dawoodi Bohras, who are finally going to be affected by the ruling. The Court should note that the majority of Dawoodi Bohras are now under siege, have no freedom of expression, and are being considered as the puppets and slaves of the Daiul Mutlaq. It is officially being recited on daily basis in each Masjid and Markaz and gathering around the globe that Dawoodi Bohras are fortunate to be the slave of the Daiul Mutlaq, and with pleasure follow his daily dictates. The Bohras are treated like slave at least for the last 100 years. The both Dawedars have submitted and will going to argue in the Court that the Imamuz-zaman is alive, he is controlling the universe, he is the final sole authority to appoint the 3 top positions including the Daiul Mutlaq, and the Dawedars are getting his orders on daily basis to run the Dawat and the Universe.

Under the circumstances, when the matter is in the Court, and the Court is going to decide the truth of their beliefs and arguments, we the majority of Bohras request the Hon. Judge to please ask the Dawedars to prove their beliefs and produce some evidences; how they receive the orders from the Imamuz Zaman, how they implement the wishes of the IZ, and if that is true, why IZ is not forcing the wrong Dawedar to step down, and resolve the issue??? or why IZ himself takes over the affairs of his Dawat. What is bothering him?

If the Court finds out that the principle argument of both the Dawedars is false, the Court should reject that argument, and force both the Dawedars to stop ruling over the Bohras under that false belief, and continue their hold on the community and the properties. The both Dawedars should lost their case.

Instead, the Court should decide that Dawoodi Bohra Community should have democratic Constitutional rights, and it should be run by the elected body at local and center level following the Principles of Fatemi Dawat

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by rang » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:29 am

I think the case can be decided in a minutes. Both the party may be asked to request the Imam to come in Judge dream, and inform him who's the real Dai .

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Mkenya » Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:25 pm

Ozdundee: It is very presumptuous to think that followers of SMS indeed want to be freed. They have not expressed any such wish and us Reformists presume that is what they want. The thousands of Bohras who close their businesses, take time off from work and studies travel to wherever SMS is, spending their own money attend SMS discourses. This is endured regardless of the prospect of being in the midst of huge crowds of devotees, 'Dhakka mukki', cramped accommodation, sweaty armpits, farts and all. Now, do these people look like they want to be freed? I do not think so. They are there because they want to be there. They have swallowed fish, line and sinker the drool that SMS is the one; he is the one who will lead them to jannat. Of course I believe that too! He is the chosen one and he knows. How else can he say that when Imam Husein (AS) was in sajda he did dua for 52, who was drugged to the gills sitting beside him on the takhat. At times like these I feel we reformists should do a rethink. Could Modi be wrong!

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Fateh » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:37 am

Mkenya wrote:Ozdundee: It is very presumptuous to think that followers of SMS indeed want to be freed. They have not expressed any such wish and us Reformists presume that is what they want. The thousands of Bohras who close their businesses, take time off from work and studies travel to wherever SMS is, spending their own money attend SMS discourses. This is endured regardless of the prospect of being in the midst of huge crowds of devotees, 'Dhakka mukki', cramped accommodation, sweaty armpits, farts and all. Now, do these people look like they want to be freed? I do not think so. They are there because they want to be there. They have swallowed fish, line and sinker the drool that SMS is the one; he is the one who will lead them to jannat. Of course I believe that too! He is the chosen one and he knows. How else can he say that when Imam Husein (AS) was in sajda he did dua for 52, who was drugged to the gills sitting beside him on the takhat. At times like these I feel we reformists should do a rethink. Could Modi be wrong!
They are there because they want to be there
No sir i am not 100% agree with you ,no not all abdes are there because they want to be there,there are many who do not want to join with Ms but due to social pressure they follow ms but like a drop of oil in water.Lets hope may be due to court judgement many of fencers jumps & a new era of our community take place or may this court case help blind abdes to open their eyes & beat this thieves necked on the road of Malabar hills .Inshahallah some thing will happen indeed.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:29 am

this is just my imagination and thinking.
what will happen after a prolonged never ending battle in court is.
1. court will say that it is a matter of faith, and they cannot decide on faith of anyone, countrys law allows everybody to freely practice and beleive whatever he wants.
2. both can start their own cult, sect or whatever and practice it.
it is already unofficially two separate groups, court will just make it official.
3. now the main question of money, which is the crux of this case. coz both say they r dawoodi bohras and have right on its properties. court will say just divide it between the two.
now again the question how to divide it--surely not equally.
court will say divide it according to the number of followers each one has and move on.
so MS will get 99 percent share of the booty and KQ will have to be satisfied with 1 percent--though that is also a vry big amount.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by JC » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:34 am

I tend to agree with Qutub .......... this is Battle for Power and Money ........

Fateh, Bohras and Abdes have to wake up; nobody will come to help you or rescue, we have to be assertive and demanding, we have to resist and show courage ........... until and unless we help ourselves nobody will help us ............ Himat-e-Marda, Maddad-e-Khuda ..............

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:02 am

Latest news is that the mufaddalis are to ask for yet another extension December 11th as they have planned a full fledged pr campaign during urs beginning on Milaad un Nabi.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:11 am

todays hearing at 3pm 11Dec
can we have latest update on it

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:41 am

Mufaddalis say that their documents are not ready and the judge has postponed the next hearing to December 22nd.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:09 pm

haqniwaat wrote:Mufaddalis say that their documents are not ready and the judge has postponed the next hearing to December 22nd.
How many times are they doing the same old trick of "Not ready". I hope the court will see their deliberate attempt to drag the case and take them to task. Repeated adjournment due to document not ready 2-3 times in last couple months itself.

The high court website strangely has not uploaded the order copy which it did every time till now.

There is silence on why the earlier judge, GS Patel was changed and now it is RD Dhanuka hearing it.

Some of his past (news making) cases

1. "The Bombay High Court on Thursday refused to grant interim relief to Jaidev, estranged son of Shiv Sena supremo late Balasaheb Thackeray, seeking to restrain the beneficiaries of his father's will from selling or disposing of the family properties."
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/hc-rejects-j ... 3-237.html

2. "The Bombay High Court on Monday admitted an appeal filed by Twinkle Kumar, former actor and daughter of late Bollywood superstar Rajesh Khanna, against a single Judge's order asking her to give a copy of her late father's will to his former companion Anita Advani.

Justice R D Dhanuka had on July 30 allowed Advani to secure a copy of the will."
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/hc-s ... 75629.html

3. A profile in the HC website
http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/libweb/pu ... nukaRD.pdf

As must be for every individual who gets frustrated with the slow progress of cases in Indian courts, this is starting to test patience of Bohras who have some expectation that the courts will ensure justice to prevail.

natkhat pari
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by natkhat pari » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:48 pm

they are not ready for common translator of Arabic and lisan ul dawat text.
so ms bs can chalenge every word in document submitted as per his favour
ms bs wants case detail on low profile for period of urs so he can his coronation thakhtnassen programe grand with presence of pm modi