Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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monginis
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Re: Case filed against Shz MS in Mumbai High Court

#121

Unread post by monginis » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:57 am

salaar wrote:by the way to portray the correct picture in my place people are going on with their normal activity nobody knows abt any case that is going on and nobody is bothered about its judgement, they only know one thing HAR ZAMAN MA FITNAT TOU THAYA KARAY i tell you one thing even if the decision is against the dawat that will not cast any dent on its reputation, people are busy with darees and other community affairs and only when i come on this forum i find a different world, people with different thoughts otherwise there are no signs of even a mild storm.
where do you live? in pothole?
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#122

Unread post by salaar » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:14 am

good joke ha but who knows whose hopes are going to go in this pothole, one should have the heart to face realities by the way iam not taking sides just my plain observations



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#123

Unread post by abbasmotorwala » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:07 am

monginis wrote:I am so surprise to see for few guys this is a a drama and some thing to enjoy?

this is jihaad and instead of laughing and calling it drama, every momeen should take part in it, and try to help in some way.

Don't worry the majority mumeen is on the right side which is Sayedna mufaddal saifuddin ( TUS ) , no evil can affect the aqeeda of dawoodi bohra



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#124

Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:08 am

What the KQ team can and should do is attack the credibility of the Zadas. Expose them for all they have done over the years, their ill gotten wealth, harassment of the community & taking advantage of their position of being the sons of SMB.

This will help in 5 ways.
1- Their credibility gone and thereby anything they say as witness will lack credibility.
2- Open the eyes of the Abdes who succum on the diktats of these Zadas.
3- Invite DRI, IT to their door & jail term.
4- win or lose for whatever reasons, many Bohris will dump MS & cross over to KQ for a different sect if KQ loses or if he wins, he will get ready acceptance from the Abdes.
5- Win the case itself.

Offcourse the media onslaught should continue so that everyone knows what's happening.

All of the above is subject to KQ being clean in his money matters to not invite counter exposes.

Those in touch with KQs sons should pass on this suggestion.



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#125

Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:09 am

abbasmotorwala wrote:
monginis wrote:I am so surprise to see for few guys this is a a drama and some thing to enjoy?

this is jihaad and instead of laughing and calling it drama, every momeen should take part in it, and try to help in some way.

Don't worry the majority mumeen is on the right side which is Sayedna mufaddal saifuddin ( TUS ) , no evil can affect the aqeeda of dawoodi bohra
Majority of the Muslims were on the side of Awwal. Makes them right eh?



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#126

Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:19 am

abbasmotorwala wrote:Don't worry the majority mumeen is on the right side which is Sayedna mufaddal saifuddin ( TUS ) , no evil can affect the aqeeda of dawoodi bohra
Majority of the mumins are at the side of kharaas and mithaas ! anyone who gets the ownership of jamaat properties is the TRUE DAI !



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#127

Unread post by monginis » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:20 am

abbasmotorwala wrote:
monginis wrote:I am so surprise to see for few guys this is a a drama and some thing to enjoy?

this is jihaad and instead of laughing and calling it drama, every momeen should take part in it, and try to help in some way.

Don't worry the majority mumeen is on the right side which is Sayedna mufaddal saifuddin ( TUS ) , no evil can affect the aqeeda of dawoodi bohra
it seems your motor is running on muffy sponsored diesel. :lol:



monginis
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#128

Unread post by monginis » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:21 am

humanbeing wrote:
abbasmotorwala wrote:Don't worry the majority mumeen is on the right side which is Sayedna mufaddal saifuddin ( TUS ) , no evil can affect the aqeeda of dawoodi bohra
Majority of the mumins are at the side of kharaas and mithaas ! anyone who gets the ownership of jamaat properties is the TRUE DAI !
unfortunately this is true about bohras...



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#129

Unread post by silvertongue » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:26 am

The followers of Truth has always been less in numbers.. Even in history and as stated in Quran many times..



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#130

Unread post by silvertongue » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:30 am

Do not follow him whose heart We have made oblivious to Our remembrance, who follows his own lust and exceeds the bound. (Surah al-Kahf, 18.28)

Do not comply with those who deny the truth. Do not heed a contemptible swearer. Or backbiter, calumniator, Slanderer. Who hinders men from doing good, the transgressor, the iniquitous. Crude, and above all, mean and infamous. (Surah al-Qalam, 68:8-13)

And do not follow any sinner or disbeliever among them.(Surah ad-Dahr, 76:24)

Do not follow those who are extravagant. (Surah ash-Shuara, 26.151)

And do not follow the way of mischief-makers. (Surah al-A'raf, 7:142)

And do not follow the wishes of the ignorant. (Surah al-Jathiya, 45:18)

And follow not the wishes of a people who had erred before, and led many others astray, and wandered away from the right path. (Surah al-Mai'dah, 5:77)



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#131

Unread post by bohrabhai » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:38 am

wikipedia page of muffy is cleaned up. but according to older version
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =433193903
Proclamation of Nass (Succession)

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) conferred Nass on Syedi Aali Qadr Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Saifuddin (TUS) on Saturday, June 4th, 2011 (3rd Rajjab-al-Assab 1432 H) in London.

Sequence of Events

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) was in the hospital at the time. He addressed the Shahzada Sahebs and said “Bismillahir rahmanir rahim. Mein Dawat na rutba ma Bhai Mufaddal ne qaim karuchu, mara baad”.
The witnesses to the Nass were Shahzada Idris Bhaisaheb Badruddin (DM), Shahzada Qusai Bhaisaheb Vajihuddin (DM), Shahzada Ammar Bhaisaheb Jamaluddin (DM) and Dr. Moiz Bhaisaheb and Shahzadi Husaina Behnsaheba.
The three Shahzada Sahebs went to Bonham House and informed Syedi Aali Qadr Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Saifuddin (TUS).
Syedi Aali Qadr Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Saifuddin (TUS) and Shahzada Qaidjoher Bhaisaheb Ezzuddin (DM) went to the hospital. They presented sherbet to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS).
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) instructed Shahzada Sahebs to inform mumineen all over the world about his Mansoos (Successor).
The proclamation of nass was publicly announced on the eve of Urs Mubarak of Syedna Noor Mohammed Nooruddin (RA) (Eve of 4th Rajjab-al-Assab 1432 H).



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#132

Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:43 am

silvertongue wrote:The followers of Truth has always been less in numbers.. Even in history and as stated in Quran many times..
Can someone let us know how many Alavi Bohras are there?? And what about Sulemanis?? and I hear there are few more like Mehdis and some Baghwalas ............... oh, but then there is one Badri Janab and he is ONE only so he MSUT be follower of Truth ......... and by the way I am ONE too, so I must to on truth too??



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#133

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:07 am

one more crucial change made to Muffadal saifuddin saab's wikipedia information he is called as a claimant now, not as the rightful successor of 52nd Dai-al-Mutlaq! interesting times!
I have understood one thing now, if people switch sides to Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin they will make them look very daring and make them stand out from the normal meek and scary bohras! now i am making this change, i have realized if such cases can go to court than we the people are stronger in a lot of senses!



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#134

Unread post by phdguy » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:35 pm

Do let us know about the 700 page petition which was filed in high court and the medical review report, is it possible to get a copy of the petition:

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/othe ... 144765.cms

Opinions of three neurological experts from US form crux of suit filed by Qutbuddin, challenging Mufaddal's ascension as Bohra head.

The opinions of three neurological experts from United States form the crux of the 700-page declaratory suit filed in High Court by Khuzaima Qutbuddin, half brother of the late Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, challenging his nephew Mufaddal Saifuddin's ascension as leader of the Dawoodi Bohras.

Qutbuddin, who was second in command as Mazoon for 50 years alongside the Syedna, said he was made 53rd Dai-al-Mutlaq in private in 1965. Mufaddal, on the other hand, claims he was appointed successor by his father from his hospital bed in London, and later re-conferred the succession in Mumbai.

While the late Syedna suffered a debilitating stroke in London in 2011, Qutbuddin and his supporters sought the views of neurological experts in US, who studied medical records of the Syedna to provide their opinion.

The Syedna suffered the stroke on June 1, 2011, and according to two of the reviews, he could not have possibly spoken coherently on June 4, when he allegedly 'loudly' pronounced his son, Mufaddal, as successor, after which sherbet was consumed by everyone.

According to the experts, medical records relied upon allegedly showed the Syedna's condition deteriorated in the few days following the stroke. "It is inconceivable that someone his age and with neurological deficits would have such a profound, yet transient recovery," read the medical review by Daniel Mankens, chairman of Neurology Beaumont Hospital, Michigan.

Mankens further said that family members usually report even the slightest improvement to medical staff. "It surprises me that such an event would not be documented in the medical record, much less reported to the medical staff," Mankens said.

The petition, a copy of which is with Mirror, also quotes Abdul Qadir, son of Dr Moiz Nooruddin, who was always with the Syedna. Qadir, who was allegedly witness to the late Syedna announcing Mufaddal would succeed him, is quoted as saying that after the announcement Mufaddal and the Syedna drank sherbet.

However, regarding drinking sherbet, the review by James M Gebel, Chairman of Neurology, Akron Medical Centre, Ohio, read, "It would have been impossible for His Holiness to have drunk sherbet the night of June 4... he was documented to not be even able to initiate swallowing... and to be continuously completely unsafe for any oral intake. His Holiness would have immediately chocked on any such liquid and would gone into respiratory failure..."

"There are many inconsistencies in their versions of when nuss was done," Qutbuddin's son Abdeali told Mirror.

While the suit was filed on Saturday, a notice of motion for interim relief was filed on Tuesday, seeking to refrain Mufaddal from any transaction on behalf of the Dawoodi Bohra Trust. The case is to come up for hearing soon.

Despite repeated attempts, the Mufaddal faction remained unavailable for comment.



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#135

Unread post by phdguy » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:58 pm

He was a claimant on wiki since a long time and still is, I dont see this issue resolving at all as both claimants are adamant and have started parallel administration of their respective dawoodi bohra groups.



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#136

Unread post by wise_guy » Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:04 pm

wikipedia is a user input encylopedia. Anybody can edit it.
Akhtiar Wahid wrote:one more crucial change made to Muffadal saifuddin saab's wikipedia information he is called as a claimant now, not as the rightful successor of 52nd Dai-al-Mutlaq! interesting times!
I have understood one thing now, if people switch sides to Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin they will make them look very daring and make them stand out from the normal meek and scary bohras! now i am making this change, i have realized if such cases can go to court than we the people are stronger in a lot of senses!



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#137

Unread post by salaar » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:54 pm

in the court room the judge would ask KITTNAY AADMI THAE SMS group will say SARDAR DOU THAE judge will reply AUR TUM TEEN..............BANG! BANG!



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#138

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:03 pm

But then "Tera kya hoga kalya", now its for the judge to figure out who is that 'Kalya' :mrgreen:



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#139

Unread post by salaar » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:43 pm

aray ghulam bhai kalya ka bhi kuch na kuch ho hi jaega woh bechara kia karay



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#140

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:19 pm

This reminds me of another dialogue by Gabbar singh "Holi kab hai ? kab hai ? kab hai holi ?............ Muffy's version "Case kyare che ? kyare che ? kyare che ? Aaa su che ! Aa su che ! Aa su che ! :mrgreen:



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#141

Unread post by Mkenya » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:58 pm

It has been very interesting to view the posts. Bohras - Pro SMS, Pro SKQ, Reformists, et al - are "prophesizing" all kinds of scenarios. I too would like to indulge in the 'lahwo' of such infantile pleasure. The whole scenario is a scrambled omellette, and how can it be unscambled is an exercise in futility and madness. It is indeed a despicable affair of once-a-proud-trusted-meek-community that it is washing its laundry in public. The two contenders and their forefathers have repeatedly told that the Dai will take us into Jannat. Well, just think the two of them to ask the courts to decide!
Then, the court is the fulfilling the role of Imam. By the way, where is the Imam when we need him now so badly. May be one day he appeared and was made to get rare. He is probably on Kothar's payroll. I foresee the day of the decision when one of the two is declared a victor; when fireworks will cover Mumbai's sky, round-the-clock jamans will be served, the winners will 'gale lagshe', jashano thase, etc. The loser will depart with his tail between his now stinking tail and ride into the sunset. Oh, but aren't we forgetting Deen? Which is the main role and purpose of Daiship. Minor point, they have a bigger fire to put out. Pehle hamko paise, jaidaat, hawelian, aur aisho-aaram kabz karne do, baad mein Deen bhi sikha denge. Itne saal se humne tum logo ko 'unthe' sikhaye aut tum sunte aaaye ho. To ab jaldi kya hei. Weise tume jannat ki fikar hei par humko ye duniya ki jannat ki padi hei.



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#142

Unread post by Rebel » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:06 am

MS will take the community 25 years behind the other communities who are moving ahead in education, ethics and modern ways of living a happy life....FMG which is considered a crime and unethical is standard practice and justified as a religious practice....enslaving women and taking away their rights is considered ethical for him....what has happened to the people is beyond my understanding.



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#143

Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:26 am

Whatsapp msg circulating

Ally Qader Syedna Muffadal Moula tus ni mansha em chy k Daweedar ye jy Indian high court ma case kido chy e na bara ma mumineen khamooshi ekthiar karay anay koi b qisam na comments case ya daweedar na barah ma nah kahai koi b media na zaryie, k jaino mukhlafeen faido opperi sakay chy. Akbher ma b case na bahra ma likhan awee raiah chy pun appan sagla pr lazim chy k koi b qisam ni koi sathay b waat na kariye bul k apna Moula tus na haq ma dua kariye k Khuda app ny jald Fateh Mubieen atta farmaway anay dushmanoo na munh kala thai.
Ameen



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#144

Unread post by way2go » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:33 am

Truth-Prevails wrote:Whatsapp msg circulating

Ally Qader Syedna Muffadal Moula tus ni mansha em chy k Daweedar ye jy Indian high court ma case kido chy e na bara ma mumineen khamooshi ekthiar karay anay koi b qisam na comments case ya daweedar na barah ma nah kahai koi b media na zaryie, k jaino mukhlafeen faido opperi sakay chy. Akbher ma b case na bahra ma likhan awee raiah chy pun appan sagla pr lazim chy k koi b qisam ni koi sathay b waat na kariye bul k apna Moula tus na haq ma dua kariye k Khuda app ny jald Fateh Mubieen atta farmaway anay dushmanoo na munh kala thai.
Ameen

This is nothing but simple FEAR!!! They are surely worried about the outcome and thus trying to still brainwash people to see that they remain die hard, blind followers.



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#145

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:39 am

this people still do not get the lesson.....they are still putting this sweet syrup of Khamosh raho, kai na dekho, kai na sunno, Bas hamey tamari leta rehsu anney tamey apta rehjo!



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#146

Unread post by Fatema MN » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:18 am

Truth-Prevails wrote:Whatsapp msg circulating

Ally Qader Syedna Muffadal Moula tus ni mansha em chy k Daweedar ye jy Indian high court ma case kido chy e na bara ma mumineen khamooshi ekthiar karay anay koi b qisam na comments case ya daweedar na barah ma nah kahai koi b media na zaryie, k jaino mukhlafeen faido opperi sakay chy. Akbher ma b case na bahra ma likhan awee raiah chy pun appan sagla pr lazim chy k koi b qisam ni koi sathay b waat na kariye bul k apna Moula tus na haq ma dua kariye k Khuda app ny jald Fateh Mubieen atta farmaway anay dushmanoo na munh kala thai.
Ameen
Not surprising. Its the usual, Don't think, Don't discuss. Don't Ask.



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#147

Unread post by monginis » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:19 am

Fatema MN wrote:
Truth-Prevails wrote:Whatsapp msg circulating

Ally Qader Syedna Muffadal Moula tus ni mansha em chy k Daweedar ye jy Indian high court ma case kido chy e na bara ma mumineen khamooshi ekthiar karay anay koi b qisam na comments case ya daweedar na barah ma nah kahai koi b media na zaryie, k jaino mukhlafeen faido opperi sakay chy. Akbher ma b case na bahra ma likhan awee raiah chy pun appan sagla pr lazim chy k koi b qisam ni koi sathay b waat na kariye bul k apna Moula tus na haq ma dua kariye k Khuda app ny jald Fateh Mubieen atta farmaway anay dushmanoo na munh kala thai.
Ameen
Not surprising. Its the usual, Don't think, Don't discuss. Don't Ask.
I would add "dont doubt"



Truth-Prevails
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#148

Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:32 am

Interesting Article
What is the undercurrent that you are hearing. The only thing I hear mumineen talk about is "London ma su thayu", "court ma su waat bahar awse". I don't hear any "normal" person dismissing the London event..



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#149

Unread post by Habeel » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:58 am

Salaam and Jumoa Mubarak!
Regarding the Whats App message, most of the people will follow that. This is good strategy by kothar to keep quite. As I mentioned in other post, the thoughts coming from belief is very powerful so it will be followed. People may completely close their eyes. I really hope and wish to be proven wrong. Either something really big happens or the self-realization will lead the people to reality. I pray to Allah with Ikhlaas for self-awareness. Allah is in believer's heart and closeness to Allah opens up the mind and leads to the true happiness. Amen!



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#150

Unread post by maddy » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:22 am

Really sochi ne daya aave che loko nu dimag kitnu jyada kharab kari lidhu che
itnu bhi koi nai sochtu k Indian High Court na hoi
Case is at Mumbai High Court :mrgreen: :mrgreen: