Dawoodi Bohra Forum

I know my brother, but please tell us why you do not follow your own interpretation of the Quran my brother? There is definitely some hiqmah in not following your own interpretation of the Quran. Please give us that hiqmah.

anajmi wrote:I know my brother, but please tell us why you do not follow your own interpretation of the Quran my brother? There is definitely some hiqmah in not following your own interpretation of the Quran. Please give us that hiqmah.

since you are begging so hard, I will tell you, if you are willing to do sajda e tazim to syedna Mufaddal saifuddin.

I am following in your footsteps. I do not do sajda to anyone other than Allah. But I do not know why. You seem to know because you have rejected your own personal interpretation of the Quran. Please tell us why you have done this. Please, please.

anajmi wrote:I am following in your footsteps. I do not do sajda to anyone other than Allah. But I do not know why. You seem to know because you have rejected your own personal interpretation of the Quran. Please tell us why you have done this. Please, please.

since you are begging so hard, I will tell you, if you are willing to do sajda e tazim to syedna Mufaddal saifuddin.

Unfortunately for you my brother, you have been exposed as a liar. You are a liar when you say that you do not do sajda to anyone other than Allah. You are a liar when you claim people come to your dreams. Apparently all followers of SMS are turning out to be two bit liars and ashamed of what they do. They won't even admit to following the commands of the one that they bow down to. What a shame!!

anajmi wrote:Unfortunately for you my brother, you have been exposed as a liar. You are a liar when you say that you do not do sajda to anyone other than Allah. You are a liar when you claim people come to your dreams. Apparently all followers of SMS are turning out to be two bit liars and ashamed of what they do. They won't even admit to following the commands of the one that they bow down to. What a shame!!

What do you expect from a person who performs sajdas to equal mortals and worships dead and graves??

One of my friends high up insider in the Africa jamaat told me that after the stroke of SMB Saheb there was a Dawat trust started in Uganda. Where before the stroke SMB Saheb always used to sign with his name, here he "signed" with a fingerprint only. Who knows if he was even awake or aware of what he was "signing"? This was supposed to happen in around early 2013.

Then, later in 2013 same year SMB Saheb is supposed to have written a munajaat which is 72 bayts long!? If he cannot communicate with speech and cannot use his handwriting and must sign with thumb print, can one really believe that he "wrote" the munajaat? Though he was a Dai and had full spiritual power with that status, he was trapped in a HUMAN body and could suffer illness just like a normal human.

So, WHO wrote all these munajaats?? And if they made SMB Saheb use a fingerprint to sign one document, how many other documents signed with fingerprint???

ParisBohra Bhai, explain it to Adam and his ilk. On another note:
Update on Domestic Violence Case in Bakersfield, California
A hearing was held today, again for the case and three more hearings have been set by the judge thru December 3rd. Numerous members of Mufaddal bs' family were there for the hearing. Although the judge wants to conclude the case, the Beverly Hills lawyers hired by Q. Ezzuddin and company (with raza of Mufaddal bs) are prolonging the agony as much as possible.

ParisBohra wrote:One of my friends high up insider in the Africa jamaat told me that after the stroke of SMB Saheb there was a Dawat trust started in Uganda. Where before the stroke SMB Saheb always used to sign with his name, here he "signed" with a fingerprint only. Who knows if he was even awake or aware of what he was "signing"? This was supposed to happen in around early 2013.

Then, later in 2013 same year SMB Saheb is supposed to have written a munajaat which is 72 bayts long!? If he cannot communicate with speech and cannot use his handwriting and must sign with thumb print, can one really believe that he "wrote" the munajaat? Though he was a Dai and had full spiritual power with that status, he was trapped in a HUMAN body and could suffer illness just like a normal human.

So, WHO wrote all these munajaats?? And if they made SMB Saheb use a fingerprint to sign one document, how many other documents signed with fingerprint???

some times munajat are written in well advance some times few years back but they are just published when it is required.

If the court case is going to analyse the video of nass episode at Raudat Tahera, I will be interested to know what was going on at this point in the video where the signal for the shawl ceremony came from the two bhaisahebs on the side:

http://youtu.be/Ge9wG2Irv-Q?t=23m26s

Hamd wrote:

ParisBohra wrote:One of my friends high up insider in the Africa jamaat told me that after the stroke of SMB Saheb there was a Dawat trust started in Uganda. Where before the stroke SMB Saheb always used to sign with his name, here he "signed" with a fingerprint only. Who knows if he was even awake or aware of what he was "signing"? This was supposed to happen in around early 2013.

Then, later in 2013 same year SMB Saheb is supposed to have written a munajaat which is 72 bayts long!? If he cannot communicate with speech and cannot use his handwriting and must sign with thumb print, can one really believe that he "wrote" the munajaat? Though he was a Dai and had full spiritual power with that status, he was trapped in a HUMAN body and could suffer illness just like a normal human.

So, WHO wrote all these munajaats?? And if they made SMB Saheb use a fingerprint to sign one document, how many other documents signed with fingerprint???

some times munajat are written in well advance some times few years back but they are just published when it is required.

Ahem....and in this case they may have been written by someone else as well.

Hamd wrote: some times munajat are written in well advance some times few years back but they are just published when it is required.

Hamd Bhai speaks the truth here. Like a true insider.

Hamd wrote:

Al Zulfiqar wrote: hamd,

you got the answer to your question above. now why are you running away and talking of extraneous issues? kyon, hawa nikal gayi, gubbara phat gaya?

nope I havent got the answer yet, can I have complete details of each case with judgments?

bro hamd
u asked which court cases has been lost?
u got the answer for that.
if u want details or true searcher of knowledge of truth, it wont be much to be expected of u that u also take
some efforts and find out about the cases mentioned with the courts.
it is available with the courts archive.
go urself and find out.
u think here everybody is paid by you to do the job on ur behalf?

One other puzzling thing regarding the court case is that there are 4 instances of nass that have been mentioned in the court document:
1. The diary entry from 1969
2. The QJ/MA event from Ramadan 1426 (2005)
3. and 4. The two nass events in Rajab 1432 (2011)

Why no mention of the nass event from 1415 (Sh. Yamani's son diary entry referring back to 1969 event) and, in my mind, the most important of all where Syedna Burhanuddin RA revealed the 1969 diary, in SMS words, "4 or 5 years ago"? Are the later two not considered nass events?

kimanumanu wrote:One other puzzling thing regarding the court case is that there are 4 instances of nass that have been mentioned in the court document:
1. The diary entry from 1969
2. The QJ/MA event from Ramadan 1426 (2005)
3. and 4. The two nass events in Rajab 1432 (2011)

Why no mention of the nass event from 1415 (Sh. Yamani's son diary entry referring back to 1969 event) and, in my mind, the most important of all where Syedna Burhanuddin RA revealed the 1969 diary, in SMS words, "4 or 5 years ago"? Are the later two not considered nass events?

What I cant figure out that if SMB had called MA/QJ and made them shahids in 2005 about the nass and given explicit instructions that this should be revealed only after 'he is covered with a dupatta' then what was the reason for the nass ceremony to be staged.

The 'unbiased' 'trustworthy' shahids were there to carry out their duties....why did the 19th Rajab episode happen at all...

This is the same QJ who could not tell that he was being given a fake degree:
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2011/02/07/p ... niversity/

kimanumanu wrote:One other puzzling thing regarding the court case is that there are 4 instances of nass that have been mentioned in the court document:
1. The diary entry from 1969
2. The QJ/MA event from Ramadan 1426 (2005)
3. and 4. The two nass events in Rajab 1432 (2011)

Why no mention of the nass event from 1415 (Sh. Yamani's son diary entry referring back to 1969 event) and, in my mind, the most important of all where Syedna Burhanuddin RA revealed the 1969 diary, in SMS words, "4 or 5 years ago"? Are the later two not considered nass events?

Too many nass events, too little nass...

Crater Lake wrote:

kimanumanu wrote:One other puzzling thing regarding the court case is that there are 4 instances of nass that have been mentioned in the court document:
1. The diary entry from 1969
2. The QJ/MA event from Ramadan 1426 (2005)
3. and 4. The two nass events in Rajab 1432 (2011)

Why no mention of the nass event from 1415 (Sh. Yamani's son diary entry referring back to 1969 event) and, in my mind, the most important of all where Syedna Burhanuddin RA revealed the 1969 diary, in SMS words, "4 or 5 years ago"? Are the later two not considered nass events?

Too many nass events, too little nass...

KQ has no nass event and no nass, funny huh?

Muffy's nass events are a Bollywood blockbuster.

haqniwaat wrote:Muffy's nass events are a Bollywood blockbuster.

some thing is better then nothing, I had word with Aziz son of KQ few months back and he promised once case is filed he will send me concrete proof of nass, till date I am waiting and nothing has been received.

if you have some thing, post it.

Ibrat wrote:I had word with Aziz son of KQ few months back and he promised once case is filed he will send me concrete proof of nass, till date I am waiting and nothing has been received. .

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you are a compulsive liar suffering from pathological delusions of self-grandeur. you write as if you and aziz ibne kq were playing marbles together since you used to pee in your pants, when the fact is that you are a complete nut case who should be confined to a loony bin in a strait jacket. zinger has the count of your various split personality id's. idiot!

btw, whats your address in mauritius, [DELETED]?

A question for SKQ camp.

if they win the case and get hold of ownership rights of community properties, will SKQ allow Muffy Bohras, PDBs to use the facility fee-sabi-lillah ?

humanbeing wrote:A question for SKQ camp.

if they win the case and get hold of ownership rights of community properties, will SKQ allow Muffy Bohras, PDBs to use the facility fee-sabi-lillah ?

I think they will.

but the question is will there be any muffy bohra left if he loses case and properties?

YaHussain wrote:

humanbeing wrote:A question for SKQ camp.

if they win the case and get hold of ownership rights of community properties, will SKQ allow Muffy Bohras, PDBs to use the facility fee-sabi-lillah ?

I think they will.

but the question is will there be any muffy bohra left if he loses case and properties?

It would be matter of time, steadily and slowly. People have sheep mentality, they will flock where the herd is. The attraction has to be steady and settling.

SKQ needs to dazzle the followers with; fan-fare, tasty jamans, political contacts, media publicity, community image building, co-curricular activities, please chauvinist men and exploit women’s fears, provide avenues for show-off, keep them busy in easy going activities such as maatam, deedar, kadambosi, yelling, chanting, howling. Abdes are too addicted to such rituals, to bring change to these are going to be tough.

humanbeing wrote:SKQ needs to dazzle the followers with; fan-fare, tasty jamans, political contacts, media publicity, community image building, co-curricular activities, please chauvinist men and exploit women’s fears, provide avenues for show-off, keep them busy in easy going activities such as maatam, deedar, kadambosi, yelling, chanting, howling. Abdes are too addicted to such rituals, to bring change to these are going to be tough.

If he starts doing that, it's back to square one.

I personally think bohras are in big mess, its like aage kuwa piche khai.
May Allah rabbul izzat show us right path to Islam.
this dawat and money extortion has become a big puzzle which seems impossible to get solve.

YaHussain wrote:I personally think bohras are in big mess, May Allah rabbul izzat show us right path to Islam.

bohras know that they are in a big mess (mess - also known as mawaid = community kitchen).

allah has already shown the right path, its the stupid mufaddali bohras who cant see it. their path and their leader is taking them towards hell.

UnhappyBohra wrote:Interesting blog. Looks like it is being written by an SKQ follower or fence sitter.... Surprised that no one here has mentioned it...

http://mumineennijamaat.wordpress.com/

The header picture on this blog speaks volumes. There is a paper that the Doctor is seen taking away from Syedna Burhanuddin RA.

DisillusionedDB wrote:

humanbeing wrote:SKQ needs to dazzle the followers with; fan-fare, tasty jamans, political contacts, media publicity, community image building, co-curricular activities, please chauvinist men and exploit women’s fears, provide avenues for show-off, keep them busy in easy going activities such as maatam, deedar, kadambosi, yelling, chanting, howling. Abdes are too addicted to such rituals, to bring change to these are going to be tough.

If he starts doing that, it's back to square one.

Untill SKQ promotes / agree / allows following, I see little difference in both camps :

Kadambosi
Money Salaam
Raza for civil and secular activities
Calling thier children Shehzada and Shezadees
Self Glorification

adna_mumin wrote:

UnhappyBohra wrote:Interesting blog. Looks like it is being written by an SKQ follower or fence sitter.... Surprised that no one here has mentioned it...

http://mumineennijamaat.wordpress.com/

The header picture on this blog speaks volumes. There is a paper that the Doctor is seen taking away from Syedna Burhanuddin RA.

Not really. Need a video for concluding action or movement. this is just a snap shot.