Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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salaar
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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:25 am

when Syedi Abdul Qadir Hakimuddin Maula (who was the mansoos) passed away before Dai himself enemies said HAWAY KAHA THI LAWSO ( ehwa azeem us shaan) sahib and started cracking jokes, this happened hundreds of years ago but it seems nothing has changed but only faces, even today these enemies are trying to make fun of everything and anticipating ups and downs in dawat but as Syedi Abde Ali Sahib said " Sahib tamay dekhta rahi jaso jae thasay"



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#32

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:38 am

Tamra Muffadal Saab ye toh logo ne luti lida.....anney Abde dekhta rahi gaya.....ka si laoso eva lootera moula.....su nirali shaan!



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#33

Unread post by salaar » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:49 pm

by the way all the time you guys are complaining abt money money money honestly you tell me how big is the fortune that you are yourself paying to the dawat please dont start with what people are collectively giving forget abt them just tell me how much you are giving akhtiar be honest



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#34

Unread post by monginis » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:45 pm

salaar wrote:by the way all the time you guys are complaining abt money money money honestly you tell me how big is the fortune that you are yourself paying to the dawat please dont start with what people are collectively giving forget abt them just tell me how much you are giving akhtiar be honest
who are you to ask this?

you dont even know 10 qualities of your master to qualify him for dai, u are a sheep in crowd or a moron who knows nothing but to follow what is dish out to you without understanding or aplying logic to issue.



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#35

Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:49 am

even a cent taken falsely in the name of religion is public issue



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#36

Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:41 am

Press Release 1 April 2014:

Commencement of Legal Action by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin (TUS), being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq and Head of the Dawoodi Bohra Community Against the False Claimant Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin: For Truth, Justice and Future of the Dawoodi Bohra Community

His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, has, in furtherance of his assertion of being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, which is based on truth (Haq) and principle, filed a Suit in the High Court of Mumbai against Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin seeking reliefs that the Honourable Court declares him to be the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, and to restrain Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin from in any manner holding himself out as or doing any acts, deeds or things as the Dai al-Mutlaq of the Dawoodi Bohra Community. Prior to this His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS made repeated attempts to resolve this internally, including by an invitation to debate this matter and establish his rightful claim based on nass conferred on him by His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA , the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq, following the guidance of His Holiness Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA , the 51st Dai al-Mutlaq. All the attempts made by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, have been ignored and rebuffed by Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, who has made several false and contradictory claims as to how nass was performed on him.

The false claims made by Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin and those close to him has resulted in a deep gash in the smooth fabric of the Dawoodi Bohra Community, with wives and children having had to leave their husbands and fathers, women and children, particularly girls being oppressed, and use of force becoming prevalent in a peace-loving Community that enjoyed love and harmony, and prospered. For the last 100 years this continued under the grace of His Holiness Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA and His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA . During [65] of these years, out of which for about 50 years he was the Mazoon al-Mutlaq (second most important position), His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS contributed to the welfare of the Community

Having faithfully served the Community with complete love, faith and respect for His Holiness Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA and His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA, His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS willcontinue on the true path (Siratul Mustakeem) of a spiritual and moral life that leads to salvation (Najaat) in the Hereafter (Aakherat) and to encourage the members of the community to scale heights of religious and temporal knowledge and education, to encourage the pursuit of excellence in various fields of business and professional services, and to lead a life of excellence in all fields.

To ensure that the path set by the previous Dai al-Mutlaqs is followed, and the Community is not torn asunder by false claimants, and having full faith in the Indian Judiciary, His Holiness has approached the Honourable Court for appropriate remedies.

“Since Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin and his followers are unwilling to resolve the matter internally through a debate to establish the truth [or other known means as per precedent], we are approaching the Honourable Court, in which we have full faith, with evidence that will expose the falsehoods being perpetuated by Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin” said His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS.

His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima QutbuddinTUS believes that these recent developments are of paramount importance for the Dawoodi Bohra Community for generations to come and unless resolved completely, can also have adverse implications on the sacrosanct notions of religious freedom, rights for women and communal harmony of our great Nation.




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#38

Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:48 am

Just got this on Whatsapp

Just heard that Mazoon saheb has done case on Mufaddal bhaisab. all shehzadas are rushing back to mumbai and all saheb e dawat program cancelled. case has lots of details of what happened in london.



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#39

Unread post by monginis » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:51 am

I knew this is coming and I already mentioned it before :wink:
monginis wrote:
Nafisa wrote:Mufaddalis are trying to manipulate the evidences. London Hospital record, CCTV footage, Doctors record, medical reports and all circumstances evidences are very important to judge the health status of Syedna Burhanuddin. It is next to impossible to prove in the court that SMB conferred Nass in hospital,while suffering with serious health problem. I hope Legal consultants of SKQ have already obtained required reports from London hospital.
Team of Mufaddal Saifuddin's Lawyers are enjoying London visit, It consisted of Kutharis and Jamea clergy. Dr. Q.J and Dr. Moiz are head of the Mufaddali legal team. Jafar us Sadiq is also trying to expend his position equal to his grandfather Y.N through this case.
just wait for 2 more weeks, things which are going to come up will shake muffy and his supporters ground completely. :wink:



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#40

Unread post by true_bohra » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:25 am

chalo finally its done...so KQ is waiting to fall head over heels....



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#41

Unread post by monginis » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:47 am

true_bohra wrote:chalo finally its done...so KQ is waiting to fall head over heels....
we will see ....



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#42

Unread post by true_bohra » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:50 am

ya sure...INSHALLAH!!!!



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#43

Unread post by monginis » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:55 am

true_bohra wrote:ya sure...INSHALLAH!!!!
keep 53000 nariyals ready to pelt on muffy and his mafia gang :mrgreen:



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#44

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:24 am

this is going to be exciting....some high caliber Melodrama......LET THE FIGHT BEGIN!



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#45

Unread post by adna_mumin » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:10 am

Haq will prevail.

Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin tus is Haq in today's times, as it is amply clear.

Who will you trust? The man Syedna Burhanuddin RA trusted for all of his asr e maimoon? That he raised him as his second in command in the rutba that you gave a solemn oath year after year? Or will you give in to a made-to-believe concoction that left little but only doubt?

Why would in the 21st century a event as critical as a Nass being proclaimed by Daiz zaman in "clear words" as is claimed NOT have any recording?

What one sign did Syedna Burhanuddin RA give that his any shehzada was to be believed as truthful, like ever? On the other hand did he not stamp his sign of approval of truthfulness the man he raised as his second in command?

And both present and past (every attempted fitnat in Dawoodi bohra history) support the second-in command - such is the rutba of the Mazoon? Why should you do anything different from your forefathers who believed Syedna Dawood bin Qutub Shah RA due to which you are a "Dawoodi bohra" today?

Pressing questions to those who care to be on side of Haq. To those that would rather go with the wind, well... it is Allah TA who alone gives hidaya!



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#46

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:20 am

they will spill all the beans, we will come to know about all the confidential stuff, the financial holding of dawat and questions will be raised on why and how so much wealth has been accumulated. Some serious damaging will happen, we are entering the golden era of dawat, in which truth prevails and rest is led astray. We will see the light finally in this long dark tunnel which we have been walking for so long.



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#47

Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:46 am

Finally , well done

Whatever outcome the community members will benefit let there be open kimono ...we were looking for transparency we got more than what we asked for .

Off course the zada spin doctors will spin propaganda and abdes will foolishly ignore the court case as they have done for decades.

Was not sure whether this was Fools day joke.



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#48

Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:56 am

This is going to be so much fun. KQ is an insider. Knows ins and outs and it will be great if he exposes the Shezadas & Kothar.

One thing this case can do is take the patti off the Aql of Bohras.

For the moment I have no doubt Abdes will start to compare MS to STS who fought court cases. Only this time the opponent is the Mazoon of the previous Dai.

I am grab in some popcorn. Let te show begin



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#49

Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:02 pm

Ozdundee
Seems more like the good tidings of the first day of the New Moon.

April Fools is more what is going to happens when Shz MS sees his lies exposed. I wonder if he will even read the document as he will not understand. Aa Su Che Su Che.. English che... Su Thai jiware English ma vacho... Su Thai Su Thai...



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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:03 pm

Ozdundee
Seems more like the good tidings of the first day of the New Moon.

April Fools is more what is going to happens when Shz MS sees his lies exposed. I wonder if he will even read the document as he will not understand. Aa Su Che Su Che.. English che... Su Thai jiware English ma vacho... Su Thai Su Thai...



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#51

Unread post by Mazakyo » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:46 pm

Truth-Prevails wrote:Ozdundee
Seems more like the good tidings of the first day of the New Moon.

April Fools is more what is going to happens when Shz MS sees his lies exposed. I wonder if he will even read the document as he will not understand. Aa Su Che Su Che.. English che... Su Thai jiware English ma vacho... Su Thai Su Thai...
Bhaio ane Behno. No need to get excited. Nothing is going to come out of it. Lawyers will make money from both sides. SMS side is fully loaded and will spend tons of money to ensure that no judgement is passed against SMS. The court will be unable to give a clear verdict and things will stay as it is. Lets accept the fact. A split in the community has occurred and such splits occurred in the past (remember Sulaimanis, Alavis, Hibtias, 48ers, etc). What happened? They are living their lives under their leadership and the Dawoodis under their own Syedna. Those following SMS and SKQ will continue to do so and accept them as their leader. And then there is a section of the community who does care less who is the leader.

As for some of the Progressives, the split is vindication for them that the SMB (and now SMS) guys were on the wrong. And they are enjoying the tamasha. For another section among Progressives, they are wishfully thinking that SKQ will win and things will become the way they want.

All this stuff is good for gossip and message boards and will continue. So sit down and enjoy and remember don't get excited.



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#52

Unread post by SKQ Fan » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:46 pm

AgnosticIndian wrote:This is going to be so much fun. KQ is an insider. Knows ins and outs and it will be great if he exposes the Shezadas & Kothar.

One thing this case can do is take the patti off the Aql of Bohras.

For the moment I have no doubt Abdes will start to compare MS to STS who fought court cases. Only this time the opponent is the Mazoon of the previous Dai.

I am grab in some popcorn. Let te show begin
I take strong objection to yor post, this is not meant to provide you guys with some entertantment, Sayedna Qutbuddin (TUS) is fighting to save our souls and jaans. He is on Haq and as all Waliullahs will fight the Baatil and lead momineen to the path of Haq, Instead of grabbing a pop corn and watching the fun you should join us in our jihad to root out evil from our deen, lest on the Day of Judgement when allah calls you and asks you when you were provided with a golden oppurtunity to struggle agianst Baatil , and restore the rule of Haq what did you do, enoy the fun ?. Al hamdoliah we will get Fateh Mubeen



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#53

Unread post by anajmi » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:48 pm

Sayedna Qutbuddin (TUS) is fighting to save our souls and jaans. He is on Haq and as all Waliullahs will fight the Baatil and lead momineen to the path of Haq,
Can you find out from SKQ, if the hidden Imam asked him to go seek the help of the courts? What does the Imam have to say about this? Is the judge going to be appointed by the Imam to decide fairly between the two?



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#54

Unread post by voice » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:58 pm

Can anyone shed light on details of claim in terms of assets, total of Dawat e hadiya trust, total amount etc filled in this case?



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#55

Unread post by alam » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:02 pm

The ordinary Bohra and adna Mumin's faith and imaan will be further hijacked, from what's left, by the 2 camps.
The ordinary folks are the losers while Mufaddalbhai Saheb and Khuzemabhaisaheb fight each other for their claim to succession and properties. Anyone have any more questions whether this is about Survival of the fittest? This is not even a real jihad.

Real jihad is going on in the heart and soul of most Bohras who are caught in the middle of this crippling betrayal.



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#56

Unread post by voice » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:47 pm

SKQ Fan wrote:
AgnosticIndian wrote:This is going to be so much fun. KQ is an insider. Knows ins and outs and it will be great if he exposes the Shezadas & Kothar.

One thing this case can do is take the patti off the Aql of Bohras.

For the moment I have no doubt Abdes will start to compare MS to STS who fought court cases. Only this time the opponent is the Mazoon of the previous Dai.

I am grab in some popcorn. Let te show begin
I take strong objection to yor post, this is not meant to provide you guys with some entertantment, Sayedna Qutbuddin (TUS) is fighting to save our souls and jaans. He is on Haq and as all Waliullahs will fight the Baatil and lead momineen to the path of Haq, Instead of grabbing a pop corn and watching the fun you should join us in our jihad to root out evil from our deen, lest on the Day of Judgement when allah calls you and asks you when you were provided with a golden oppurtunity to struggle agianst Baatil , and restore the rule of Haq what did you do, enoy the fun ?. Al hamdoliah we will get Fateh Mubeen
I agree to SKQ Fan that for the better future of our community we should join this revolution. All of us should unite and support as warriors to bring down Firaun of modern times who has enslaved the whole community and distorted the true teachings of Islam and Quran is out of our lives. SKQ has already displayed all the agendas of reformists regarding accounts, transparency etc.

We all need central leadership to convey the best, reform the community in interest of everyone. SKQ and his family has all the required infrastructure, determination to fight and they have already presented best of the opportunity to all of us. Its a "now or never" like situation. Instead of criticizing, please praise them for all the sacrifice he has done, sacrifice of his daughters, his whole family on stake.

He could have enjoined the best peaceful luxurious life but he adopted a different path. We all as a well wisher of our community were just dreaming of such a situation. All praise to Allah who has made the dream come true.

Now the outcome of Allah`s help depends on our attitude too. As He has mentioned in Quran,
"Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves...." (13:11)

also, If you want Allah to improve your condition, improve yourself first. If you turn away from Allah's path, beware of facing Allah's punishment.

Quran 8:53- “That is so because Allaah will never change a grace which He has bestowed on a people until they change what is in their ownselves”

Allah, the Most Just, does not change the condition of the people from good to bad or from bad to good, from ease to hardship or from hardship to ease, unless they change their condition themselves.
And, this is the perfect justice of Allah.

May Allah unite all of us to fight for just cause in His path and grant success to all those who are doing there best to secure our better future, reform our community on true teachings of Islam. Aameen.



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#57

Unread post by alam » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:24 pm

Dear voice
I am sympathetic to SKQ cause and well aware of the sacrifices made, and I applaud them.

My previous post is a reflection of my own sense of how it affects everyone, and since we have been so terribly hurt, a caution to not allow ourselves to be hurt again and again. That's all.

Voice, You and I are saying same thing, but you quote the Quran, which is better.



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#58

Unread post by zaharaali302 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:40 pm

Bhai this is not the time of 48th dai ...these people are fully loaded with money as well as power ..........
Thee most important thing is RELIGION ....which we hope should not be forgotten in this time of loot and monarchy
we people are here to watch the tamasha which is a blunt truth and everybody loves gossips ...human nature
but its v sad to see a community which is famous for aman and jaman ......in this state.....no more aman prevails but thanks to dabba tiffin jaman still intact :)



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#59

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:29 pm

Mazakyo wrote:SMS side is fully loaded and will spend tons of money to ensure that no judgement is passed against SMS.
Times have changed in India, don't forget that even the high ranking ministers and Prime Minister have been tried and reprimanded by the courts, even the ruling Congress party couldn't prevent A.Raja and Kanhimozi (their allies) from going to jail in the famous 2G case. There are many who have escaped from the clutches of court, like Narendra Modi for his role in Gujarat Mass Genocide which is due to the Hindutva factor but many others like Babu Bajrangi and Maya Kodnani have been convicted and are in jail. As regards money power, SKQ too is flush with funds and above all he has the backing of retired Chief Justice of Supreme Court, Mr.Ahmedi and Advocate Yusuf Muchala who was once Kothar's lawyer and has lots of inside information.



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#60

Unread post by Mazakyo » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:31 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Mazakyo wrote:SMS side is fully loaded and will spend tons of money to ensure that no judgement is passed against SMS.
Times have changed in India, don't forget that even the high ranking ministers and Prime Minister have been tried and reprimanded by the courts, even the ruling Congress party couldn't prevent A.Raja and Kanhimozi (their allies) from going to jail in the famous 2G case. There are many who have escaped from the clutches of court, like Narendra Modi for his role in Gujarat Mass Genocide which is due to the Hindutva factor but many others like Babu Bajrangi and Maya Kodnani have been convicted and are in jail. As regards money power, SKQ too is flush with funds and above all he has the backing of retired Chief Justice of Supreme Court, Mr.Ahmedi and Advocate Yusuf Muchala who was once Kothar's lawyer and has lots of inside information.

Gullu don't fool yourself. No one will go to jail in this case. As far as Mr Ahmadi is concerned he was an ex-CJ. This does not mean he will influence the courts. Being CJ does not mean that he is right. If SKQ has Yusuf Muchala then SMS camp also has some heavyweight names