Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Masjid iftida

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Unread post by Confusd_DB » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:13 am

Sms was in thane for opening of mohammedi masjid... I wanted to know how much money kothar takes to give sanctity to a masjid... Also I heard he told that this masjid is not owned to anyone it is owned to the one who owns all land and sea... And skies... This cannot be gifted nor sold... So what is this all about... Does this type of things are said in every masjid iftida?

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Re: Masjid iftida

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:48 am

ofcourse these words are recited before the inauguration or to be precise before the waqaf of every masjid, iam not sure about the financial issues but its true a masjid cannot be sold or gifted as it then becomes the house of Allah

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Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:52 am

Asalaam'alykum,
Today Muffadal Saab inaugurated Thane Masjid, i am surprised that SKQ sahib did not take any step yet to stop Muffadal Saab from condemning activities as the spiritual head of 1 million strong dawoodi bohras. If Muffadal Saab is aware that i have been accused as a claimant and can not go further with my proceedings until the court comes a with a verdict.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:13 am

I think SKQ sahib is not serious about all these issues regarding succession, they have a laid back attitude and are not updating people promptly, they update their website every once in a week mostly Friday's or Saturday's is this some kind of a task which they do it timely. I am sorry to say that i do not trust and believe in Muffadal Saab administration but now i am slowly losing hope and confidence in this movement of SKQ sahib. They have to attack quick and act fast this kind of running the mill attitude is not going to work.
SKQ sahib is now losing grounds and i am so also losing the trust and confidence in them, it is been 3 months and he has not come out of his residence not a good gesture for a movement.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:20 am

From whatsapp
Davedaar bhendi bazaar aava si kitno dare Che, ane moula aaraam si thane padhara
Hasad si hajin jalse
Maula toh suraj ni roshni che je sari duniya ne roshan kare che koni taqat che j nazar uthawi ne suraj same joi
Mufaddal Maula to Mufaddal Maulaaj che
KQ has no goondas lined up to thrash MS but KQ is in mortal danger if he steps into Bhendi Bazar.

Stupid Bohris don't realize they Imam went into parda fearing his life & been there for 900 years.

But can't reason with Aql na andhao

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:23 am

So this was the whole game-play.....to convince bohra that we are righteous!

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Re: Masjid iftida

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:28 am

The Waqf deeds signed during late Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb’s time clearly states:-

(a) That as far as the Dawoodi Bohra Community is concerned, waqfs of the community were different from Waqf as ordinarily understood in Muslim laws. Under Muslim Waqf law the properties including mosques are dedicated to God and vested in God. The administration and management of waqf properties is in the hands of a Muttawalli. However under Dawoodi Bohra concept of waqf while the properties are dedicated to God, its ownership is vested in the hands of Dai-ul-Mutlaq. Later then becomes the owner of the properties.

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:53 pm

Akhtair Bhai, SKQ Dawat is well on it's way. He may be in Thana but his message is reaching far and wide. Mumineen in the US, UK, Europe, Australia and the Far East have been showered with the barakat of ilm e aal e Mohammed via online asbaaq. Our children have been blessed with Deeni taalim through sabaqs and classes from teachers who are a HUGE improvement over what they were used to...My child actually looks forward to madrassah now. Our majlis offers far greater spiritual satisfaction than I have experienced in the Mufaddaly fold. Bhai this is not the Arab spring. You will not see crowds out in the town square burning down buses. This is a jihad for the souls of Mumineen. It is well underway. You need to look in the right places :-)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:02 pm

@think_for_yourself,
Brother by getting content posted online and initiating web seminar or blackboard service can not get things right, Our dawoodi bohra fold consist of a lot uneducated people but not illiterate. Most of our dawoodi bohra folks are street smarts and have not acquired any higher education in their lives, they do not depend on such kind of innovations and techniques. We have fight to on the frontier, just like how the Battles were fought during the time of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), there should be action plans, strategies and a hardcore declaration which really shocks people to their spine. By giving out soft tones and whispering voices into the hears of Dumbstruck abdes would not help.

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:04 pm

I have emailed a lot of questions to them but till now i have nothing in reply.!!!!!!

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:36 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:@think_for_yourself,
Brother by getting content posted online and initiating web seminar or blackboard service can not get things right, Our dawoodi bohra fold consist of a lot uneducated people but not illiterate. Most of our dawoodi bohra folks are street smarts and have not acquired any higher education in their lives, they do not depend on such kind of innovations and techniques. We have fight to on the frontier, just like how the Battles were fought during the time of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), there should be action plans, strategies and a hardcore declaration which really shocks people to their spine. By giving out soft tones and whispering voices into the hears of Dumbstruck abdes would not help.
Akhtiar Bhai have patience. SKQ is reaching thousands of mumineen through his website, meetings in Thana and the online sabaqs and Q&A sessions with his family members. He is doing so without a single masjid or mazaar in his control and under a constant threat to his life. Imagine what he will do when he does have control over the infrastructure that is his as rightful Dai ul Mutlaq of the Dawoodi Bohra Community. Rasulullah SA had only two people in his dawat for years. Now there are over a billion and a half. These things take time and Haqq will prevail. The results you expect will be achieved but the means may differ.

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Re: Masjid iftida

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:17 pm

yes true bro Insaf but the whole story lies beneath the case on Syedna Tahir Saifuddin Maula in which the enemies were insisting that Maula should not be declared the caretaker or decision maker of any dawat property including masjids, the british judge offered that to resolve the matter a committee comprising members from british government and other notables would be formed to look after the affairs of properties, then the case entered into a phase where Maulas own lawyers advised him to accept the courts proposal as any further argument could influence the decision and it could go against Dawat, at that stage Maula who was very young at that time probably around 30 showed extraordinary courage and asked his lawyers not to accept the courts suggestion, if Maula would have accepted that condition then nothing would have remained in dawats control and people from outside would have been controlling all property affairs including masjids. suprisingly the court accepted Maulas proposal and decided to allow Maula to be the sole decision maker and caretaker of Dawats properties, after this case a major change was made in the official capacity of Maula and the title DAI UL MUTLAQ was added in Mauls name which specify his powers, keeping in view of the above situation today Maula stands as the sole decision maker holding power to execute any deal for any Dawat property including masjids but we all know that masjids once constructed and waqaf is done then there is no way it could be sold or used for any other commercial purpose but please dont mix the waqaf part of the masjid with the masjid complex which might contain other portions like shops etc.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by zaharaali302 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:53 pm

slow and steady always win the race

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Unread post by monginis » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:50 pm

I was the guy from Australia in online sabaq...and I think it was a good experience over all, looking forward with more knowledge.

my questions were

Is Jannat physical or is it a state of mind?
Is imamuz zaman physically an actual person or just an idea?
If jannat is not physical how did the black stone in the kaba (Hajare aswad) come from the heavens?

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:04 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:I think SKQ sahib is not serious about all these issues regarding succession, they have a laid back attitude and are not updating people promptly, they update their website every once in a week mostly Friday's or Saturday's is this some kind of a task which they do it timely.
If you are referring to the court case then please note that court proceedings don't take place on day to day basis, there is a gap of weeks or even months between 2 hearings hence what update should SKQ put on his website ? Any further developments will promptly appear on their website as and when the time comes.

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Unread post by monginis » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:07 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:I have emailed a lot of questions to them but till now i have nothing in reply.!!!!!!
they usually reply after 2-3 weeks.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:09 pm

watsup msg :

Shuru ma 10-15 mins Burhanuddin mola na janaza ni zikr... tame sagla Thana na mumin bhi haazir thaya haso... Mumbai si qareeb che... Burhanuddin mola na janaza ni zikr... kitnu motu sharaf..
Bani riyah na gulam ni zikr... aam bhi mumin na janaza ma haazir thavu joiyye aa to dai na janaza che...
Saqifa ni zikr...
Inni wallahe ohibboka ya maulaya ni zikr ke mola paraami lese...
Dil ma keeno na raakhe .. shaadi aqiqa jaman na kaarajo ma koi na si na avaai to keeno na raakhe... maaf kari de.... baaz waqt em thai jaai ke me ehna mayyat ma bhi nai jaau... to em kem sochai... jaavuj joiyye.. ane Ghana mumin to aam bantu na hoi magar mayyat ma aavi jaai.... saglu bhuli jaai.... dai na janaza ma toh kitno mohtu sharaf...
Hussain na ghoda kai ordinary nhota... duaato che aa sagla... au Burhanuddin mola kai ordinary hata....teen waar jazba ma farmayu.

Duniya ni degree levu joiyye magar ehvi degree na hoi ke aakherat faut karaave... akkho chakkar bekaar jaii...
Haqiqat ni zikr farmavi
Aala bezikrillahe tatmaenul quloob Milad un nabi ni aakhri ziyarat deedar n wafaat ni zikr bastat si farmavi...
Faizul maawaid il Burhaniya Burhanuddin mola nu mawaid aap nu naam si jaman banawa ma dabba aapwa ma roti banawa ma nashaat aawe che ke nahi ??
Farmayu Mohammed Burhanuddin naam laiye nashaat aawi jai che mushkil aasan thai che
Hifzul Quran ni zikr ma farmayu ke Burhanuddin aqa ni aankh Mubarak qabar ma kitni thandi thhase...
Khuda aap ni nazaraat ni umar ne daraz karjo...
Mohammed burhanuddin aqa ne Ghana yaad kidha..
aa saglu mafhoom che
Eim farmayu e bhaio behno chota mota farzando burhanudin aqa na naam ni tasbeeh raat din karjo
Ane aim farmayu ke ek rai na daana jitni bhi mohabbat hati toi janaza ma aawi gaya
Mola ne yaad karta hua farmayu ke hawe 2 mahina thaya magar haji bhi taqarub baad allahuma inna haaza dai nikli jai che..
Bazar lewa jawu faiz nu kai nahnu kaam nathi
Farmayu ke yaqeen raakhjo burhanudin aqa apni taraf nazar farmawi rahya che aap waha Ghana khush che...
Ghana shaan si khandaq ni zikr kidi...
Eim farmayu ke apne ana wallahe ohiboka ya maulaya su kaam kehta ke ehna si apne sukoon ane itmenaan mili jai...

"Kai samajh nathi padti, su kehwa maange che" !!!

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by Fatema MN » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:43 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg :

Shuru ma 10-15 mins Burhanuddin mola na janaza ni zikr... tame sagla Thana na mumin bhi haazir thaya haso... Mumbai si qareeb che... Burhanuddin mola na janaza ni zikr... kitnu motu sharaf..
Bani riyah na gulam ni zikr... aam bhi mumin na janaza ma haazir thavu joiyye aa to dai na janaza che...
Saqifa ni zikr...
Inni wallahe ohibboka ya maulaya ni zikr ke mola paraami lese...
Dil ma keeno na raakhe .. shaadi aqiqa jaman na kaarajo ma koi na si na avaai to keeno na raakhe... maaf kari de.... baaz waqt em thai jaai ke me ehna mayyat ma bhi nai jaau... to em kem sochai... jaavuj joiyye.. ane Ghana mumin to aam bantu na hoi magar mayyat ma aavi jaai.... saglu bhuli jaai.... dai na janaza ma toh kitno mohtu sharaf...

"Sharaf janaaza mubarak ne kandha par laijava ma ane ehna peeche chalwa ma hoi che, na ke ehna pase besi jawa ma!"

Hussain na ghoda kai ordinary nhota... duaato che aa sagla... auBurhanuddin mola kai ordinary hata ....teen waar jazba ma farmayu.

"Why do you keep repeating this in every waaz? Mumineen already know the shanaat of Mola RA. Who are you trying to convince? yourself?"

Duniya ni degree levu joiyye magar ehvi degree na hoi ke aakherat faut karaave... akkho chakkar bekaar jaii...

"Degree leva si aakherat faut nai thati. GREED and JEALOUSY leads one on that path."

Haqiqat ni zikr farmavi
Aala bezikrillahe tatmaenul quloob Milad un nabi ni aakhri ziyarat deedar n wafaat ni zikr bastat si farmavi...
Faizul maawaid il Burhaniya Burhanuddin mola nu mawaid aap nu naam si jaman banawa ma dabba aapwa ma roti banawa ma nashaat aawe che ke nahi ??

"but there is no nashaat in EATING 'aata laden curries, smelly rice, half cooked masoor etc', (based on first hand experience). Also, try standing in front of a high flame gas choolah in 40+ degree weather for half an hour while making the rotis and then tell me ke aap ne nashaat aawe che ke nahi?"


Farmayu Mohammed Burhanuddin naam laiye nashaat aawi jai che mushkil aasan thai che
Hifzul Quran ni zikr ma farmayu ke Burhanuddin aqa ni aankh Mubarak qabar ma kitni thandi thhase...
Khuda aap ni nazaraat ni umar ne daraz karjo...
Mohammed burhanuddin aqa ne Ghana yaad kidha..
aa saglu mafhoom che
Eim farmayu e bhaio behno chota mota farzando burhanudin aqa na naam ni tasbeeh raat din karjo
Ane aim farmayu ke ek rai na daana jitni bhi mohabbat hati toi janaza ma aawi gaya

"Out of 1.2 million bohras around the world, less than 200,000 made it to the funeral. Does that mean that the other million did not love Burhanuddin Mola?"


Mola ne yaad karta hua farmayu ke hawe 2 mahina thaya magar haji bhi taqarub baad allahuma inna haaza dai nikli jai che..
Bazar lewa jawu faiz nu kai nahnu kaam nathi
Farmayu ke yaqeen raakhjo burhanudin aqa apni taraf nazar farmawi rahya che aap waha Ghana khush che...
Ghana shaan si khandaq ni zikr kidi...
Eim farmayu ke apne ana wallahe ohiboka ya maulaya su kaam kehta ke ehna si apne sukoon ane itmenaan mili jai...

"Kai samajh nathi padti, su kehwa maange che" !!!
As usual, he did not have anything interesting to say in his bayaan. Very repetitive.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:10 am

Zikr of Burhanuddin moula ..many times
zikr of Allah Subhanahu ...not a single time.
and irony is that the event is the Iftitah of Masjid.

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Unread post by monginis » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:19 am

yuzarsif wrote:Zikr of Burhanuddin moula ..many times
zikr of Allah Subhanahu ...not a single time.
and irony is that the event is the Iftitah of Masjid.
very good observation brother,

this is the reason most bohras are destine to doom, only few with true IMAAN will survive on Siraat ul mustaqim.

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:31 am

bygone are those days of 52nd Dai-Ul-Mutlaqeen (RA) we believe that he has reached the Ala Illeen and is in the safe hands of the creator Allah (SWT). Now it is time not to keep on mentioning his ehsanat and karamat in each and every Majlis Miqaat Waaz etc. As a 53rd Dai he should take the command and do Zikr of Allah, Anbiyas, Messiahs, Ahle Bayt (AS), Imams (AS) and past Duat al Mutlaqeen and wali-un-hind.
Like a tape recorder he keeps on playing in every event, nothing new, nothing so spiritually moving, nothing to ponder on, Just the same old dish (DAL, CHAWAL and PALIDU).

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by salaar » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:41 pm

akhtiar bhai whatever the taste of daal chawal and palidu still outclass pizza and lasagne what do you say ?

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:36 pm

salaar wrote:akhtiar bhai whatever the taste of daal chawal and palidu still outclass pizza and lasagne what do you say ?
Agreed !! But eating dal chawal palidu 24x7 is also not good.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by true_bohra » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:34 pm

Fatema MN wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg :

Shuru ma 10-15 mins Burhanuddin mola na janaza ni zikr... tame sagla Thana na mumin bhi haazir thaya haso... Mumbai si qareeb che... Burhanuddin mola na janaza ni zikr... kitnu motu sharaf..
Bani riyah na gulam ni zikr... aam bhi mumin na janaza ma haazir thavu joiyye aa to dai na janaza che...
Saqifa ni zikr...
Inni wallahe ohibboka ya maulaya ni zikr ke mola paraami lese...
Dil ma keeno na raakhe .. shaadi aqiqa jaman na kaarajo ma koi na si na avaai to keeno na raakhe... maaf kari de.... baaz waqt em thai jaai ke me ehna mayyat ma bhi nai jaau... to em kem sochai... jaavuj joiyye.. ane Ghana mumin to aam bantu na hoi magar mayyat ma aavi jaai.... saglu bhuli jaai.... dai na janaza ma toh kitno mohtu sharaf...

"Sharaf janaaza mubarak ne kandha par laijava ma ane ehna peeche chalwa ma hoi che, na ke ehna pase besi jawa ma!"

Hussain na ghoda kai ordinary nhota... duaato che aa sagla... auBurhanuddin mola kai ordinary hata ....teen waar jazba ma farmayu.

"Why do you keep repeating this in every waaz? Mumineen already know the shanaat of Mola RA. Who are you trying to convince? yourself?"

Duniya ni degree levu joiyye magar ehvi degree na hoi ke aakherat faut karaave... akkho chakkar bekaar jaii...

"Degree leva si aakherat faut nai thati. GREED and JEALOUSY leads one on that path."

Haqiqat ni zikr farmavi
Aala bezikrillahe tatmaenul quloob Milad un nabi ni aakhri ziyarat deedar n wafaat ni zikr bastat si farmavi...
Faizul maawaid il Burhaniya Burhanuddin mola nu mawaid aap nu naam si jaman banawa ma dabba aapwa ma roti banawa ma nashaat aawe che ke nahi ??

"but there is no nashaat in EATING 'aata laden curries, smelly rice, half cooked masoor etc', (based on first hand experience). Also, try standing in front of a high flame gas choolah in 40+ degree weather for half an hour while making the rotis and then tell me ke aap ne nashaat aawe che ke nahi?"


Farmayu Mohammed Burhanuddin naam laiye nashaat aawi jai che mushkil aasan thai che
Hifzul Quran ni zikr ma farmayu ke Burhanuddin aqa ni aankh Mubarak qabar ma kitni thandi thhase...
Khuda aap ni nazaraat ni umar ne daraz karjo...
Mohammed burhanuddin aqa ne Ghana yaad kidha..
aa saglu mafhoom che
Eim farmayu e bhaio behno chota mota farzando burhanudin aqa na naam ni tasbeeh raat din karjo
Ane aim farmayu ke ek rai na daana jitni bhi mohabbat hati toi janaza ma aawi gaya

"Out of 1.2 million bohras around the world, less than 200,000 made it to the funeral. Does that mean that the other million did not love Burhanuddin Mola?"


Mola ne yaad karta hua farmayu ke hawe 2 mahina thaya magar haji bhi taqarub baad allahuma inna haaza dai nikli jai che..
Bazar lewa jawu faiz nu kai nahnu kaam nathi
Farmayu ke yaqeen raakhjo burhanudin aqa apni taraf nazar farmawi rahya che aap waha Ghana khush che...
Ghana shaan si khandaq ni zikr kidi...
Eim farmayu ke apne ana wallahe ohiboka ya maulaya su kaam kehta ke ehna si apne sukoon ane itmenaan mili jai...

"Kai samajh nathi padti, su kehwa maange che" !!!
I think you were busy at darus saqifa that you did not see the janaza being carried on shoulders. It was due to the rush that it had to be carried on a truck from saifee mahal to bhindi bazaar.

And ya most importantly atleast he was sitting beside the janaza instead of issuin youtube videos amd circulating message of his fitnat.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:48 pm

true_bohra wrote:

I think you were busy at darus saqifa that you did not see the janaza being carried on shoulders. It was due to the rush that it had to be carried on a truck from saifee mahal to bhindi bazaar.

And ya most importantly atleast he was sitting beside the janaza instead of issuin youtube videos amd circulating message of his fitnat.
1. Was the rush managed at janaza mubaraka of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA in 1965?
2. Were there lesser volunteers and guards and police available in 2014 to make sure the rush could still be managed and Sunnat e Mohammad SAW still be adhered to?
3. Did any mumin get the sharaf of kaandha devu in 2014? What was it like in 1965, did people get the sharaf then?
4. Did Imam Husain SA leave Kaabatullah just before Haj began to keep the sanctity of Haram?
5. And how come Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA calls a structure 'Darus Sakina' and some today are calling it something else? Who could be right?

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:57 pm

adna_mumin wrote:Did any mumin get the sharaf of kaandha devu in 2014? What was it like in 1965, did people get the sharaf then?
During the Janaza of Taher Saifuddin saab in 1965, Mohammed Burhanuddin saab had WALKED BAREFOOTED alongwith the Janaza right from Saifee Mahal upto Bhendi Bazaar.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by Maqbool » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:41 am

Muffadal bs could have gone waking behind Janaja. how come he preferred to sit on truck. It is hypocrisy to justify and remember SMS in every vaez, or may be guilty conscious.

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:04 am

these are just my 2 cents, i could be wrong too

I personally dont know what the crowd was like in 1965, but doubtless streets were broader and traffic was less.

secondly, there was no stampede the night before in 1965 which would have occoured

thirdly, in 1965, and i admit, people then were more well-behaved. which is not to say we are ill-behaved today, just i feel, more enthusiastic to show our love

fourthly, the love that we had and even today have for Burhanuddin Maula is beyond description. The kandhaa would not have been possible, given the number of people that were there and the height of grief and emotions

so, IMHO, the janazaa of Burhanuddin Maula RA was taken on a truck keeping the law and order situation in mind and not because of any other reason

I agree to what you guys say that proper protocol for the burial of a Dai was not followed, but given the situation on 17th Jan, had the janaaza been on foot, i think the crowd would have been extremely difficult to control

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:08 am

Maqbool wrote:Muffadal bs could have gone waking behind Janaja. how come he preferred to sit on truck. It is hypocrisy to justify and remember SMS in every vaez, or may be guilty conscious.

Maqbool bhai, i think answers 3 and 4 in my post above would be logical an answer for your question

let me elaborate a litte more

i think today, there are a certain section of Dawoodi Bohras who are somewhat fanatical in their outlook. there are some who, in their eagerness to get close to the Dai, will forget the situation. this would have possibly let to a near-riot situation with Mufaddal Maula getting mobbed.

again, i am no one to guess why what happened, but this seems like a logical enough reason, it was done keeping in mind security and law and order

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Re: Iftitah of Thane Masjid

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:15 am

of course maqbool bhai you are welcome to say that i am speaking like a politician again, but i would like to see you fault my theory