Dawoodi Bohra Forum

true_bohra wrote: if janaza was taken on shoulder, it could have worsen the situation and it could also lead to behurmati of janaza mubarak of Maula RA.

humanbeing wrote:

true_bohra wrote: if janaza was taken on shoulder, it could have worsen the situation and it could also lead to behurmati of janaza mubarak of Maula RA.

Behurmati of janaza happened, when the abdes were circulating the photos of deceased SMB on whatsapp ! I don’t know about bohra philosophy, but there are principles regarding “respect-for-dead”. Ethical News channels do not present / broadcast dead bodies in media and blurs them out wherever applicable ! that is not true. there was no behrumati of the janazaa. i for one, was extremely and am eternally grateful to Ghulam Mohammad bhai for posting these pics. and you know why? because so many lakhs of people who were outside India could not do aakhri deedar of Burhanuddin Maula. hence we will always cherish them. i may not have thanked him then, but i would like to do so now. Thank you GM bhai for posting the pics. This is not behurmati of the janazaa in any ways at all. you are just looking for points to argue on now. also, media blurs out pictures of bodies that are mutilated. not someone in his resting place

Such is the emphasis/mandate on the “Raza”.. how did those pictures circulated ? when Kothar is the owner of Jaan & Maal of abde bohras and not a leaf can move without “Raza” of the Dai !! How dare abdes circulate a picture unless it is allowed in bohra philosophy ( please correct me if I m wrong) you are wrong. common sense dictates it. again, a futile attempt to make an argument for a case that doesnt exist. and since when did you start caring so much about raza that you are making a big deal of it now?

Did not Ghaib-na-janaar Mansoos Dai SMS know that a stampede could occur by allowing such an overwhelming crowd !! There were SMS sent inviting bohras to visit the funeral procession ! it was like an event that attracted people from outside Mumbai overnight !! you are right. i did get the sms too. but fact is that perhaps kothar underestimated the dawoodi bohra psyche for once and did not expect a crowd as the one that turned up. this was extremely sad, i agree. as for ghaib na jaankar, i have no answer for that. you should ask Mufaddal Maula yourself when you meet him

As per usual practice, deceased are buried within 12 – 48 hours no-matter-what, for how long was body of SMB kept ? a little over 24 hours. 8 or 8.30am on Friday to around 11.30 or 12 noon on Saturday. unless you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that he became wafaat days earlier

humanbeing wrote:I retract my words of circulating the picture of deceased Dai to be wrong ! and open to be corrected with further discussion.


In my personal opinion I don’t find it respectful ! With regards to “respect-for-dead” principle applies to any deadbody regardless of condition ! it is a matter of one’s right to privacy !

I tender my apologies in this context and limit my views as personal !

ghulam muhammed wrote:

adna_mumin wrote:Did any mumin get the sharaf of kaandha devu in 2014? What was it like in 1965, did people get the sharaf then?

During the Janaza of Taher Saifuddin saab in 1965, Mohammed Burhanuddin saab had WALKED BAREFOOTED alongwith the Janaza right from Saifee Mahal upto Bhendi Bazaar.

ghulam muhammed wrote:During the Janaza of Taher Saifuddin saab in 1965, Mohammed Burhanuddin saab had WALKED BAREFOOTED alongwith the Janaza right from Saifee Mahal upto Bhendi Bazaar.

true_bohra wrote:The bottom line is that you all have problem in every action of Dai but are backing that guy who was absent from the janaza.

You have problems that janaza was taken on truck but not on the person who did not appear for the janaza of that Maula who made him maazoon.

true_bohra wrote:The bottom line is that you all have problem in every action of Dai but are backing that guy who was absent from the janaza.

You have problems that janaza was taken on truck but not on the person who did not appear for the janaza of that Maula who made him maazoon.

AmmarHussaini wrote:to be honest I agree with green Adam,

KQ is more gunehgar of community than muffaddal, KQ remain on dawat rutba for 50 years and even after knowing that things are wrong in community he remained silent and let the goondas loot people.

while on other hand we have mufaddal who is chor and thug but he is sincere about it, 90% of people I meet they agree they dont see any dai quality in muffy but he is good as far as he is managing money flow in dawat.

muffy is chor and goonda but at least he is doing this loot in open and nothing is under purdah.

haqniwaat wrote:Not surprised. Many people are confused because the zaadas have won. They poisoned the minds of the people with their zahir batin nonsense, declared the mazoon unfit, and succeeded in gaining control. Coup d'etat! And all the while syedna kept taking mazoon's name in misaq, even mufaddal bs - although he added his name in front of the mazoon as mansoos. But no problem. The misaq that has been taken for almost a thousand years was CHANGED by mufaddal bs to include "mansoos" before mazoon and mukasir. So now, it's dai, mansoos, mazoon, mukasir. Then, you get rid of the mazoon, do laanat on him, and call yourself dai.
Yes, the zaadas have won, just like sulaiman won before. And the stupid people, wanting glamour and glory, will stay with sulaiman mufaddal bs.

kimanumanu wrote:Adam, what will be your answer to this question: "Who was the Mazoon of the 52nd dai (RA)?"

Adam wrote:

haqniwaat wrote:Not surprised. Many people are confused because the zaadas have won. They poisoned the minds of the people with their zahir batin nonsense, declared the mazoon unfit, and succeeded in gaining control. Coup d'etat! And all the while syedna kept taking mazoon's name in misaq, even mufaddal bs - although he added his name in front of the mazoon as mansoos. But no problem. The misaq that has been taken for almost a thousand years was CHANGED by mufaddal bs to include "mansoos" before mazoon and mukasir. So now, it's dai, mansoos, mazoon, mukasir. Then, you get rid of the mazoon, do laanat on him, and call yourself dai.
Yes, the zaadas have won, just like sulaiman won before. And the stupid people, wanting glamour and glory, will stay with sulaiman mufaddal bs.

What a twisting of facts.
1. Misaq wasn't "changed". The Mansoos's name was added after the Dai. Because that's where the Mansoos's position is. After the Dai.

There had been 52 Dai and 51 mansoos up until then. Why nothing warranted this change that had to be done only now? Why even Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA could have added the word mansoos for Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA, so much the easier as the same name for both Mazoon and Mansoos and he did NOT... WHY?

2. In your opinion, since (of IT) Syedna Mufaddal is the Mansoos, where should his name have come in the Misaq?
Already explained in point 1. A Mansoos name has not had the need to be added for 52 duat mutlaqeen. What is the difference now?

3. Mukasir Saheb didn't have an issue with it? Why do you?
The appointed Mazoon ud dawat of Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA does. So it should unless your misaq was corrupt and thereby your aqeedah.

4. If the Misaq was being changed, why didn't KQ say or do anything? Isn't it his responsibility to protect the Dawat from changes?

5. The 53rd Dai got rid of him, because by being the imposter, he was relieved of his position.

adna_mumin wrote:Why even Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA could have added the word mansoos for Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA, so much the easier as the same name for both Mazoon and Mansoos and he did NOT... WHY?

Adam wrote:If he wanted to come, AND was afraid of being attacked. He could have stood in the crowds and joint the Namaaz.
The Janaza namaaz was held throughout Saify Masjid, Raudat Tahera, and on the entire street of Mohammedally Road.
All he could have done was attend, stand on any corner and pray the Janaza Namaaz, in a place where no one would have known.

No excuses

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:

Adam wrote:If he wanted to come, AND was afraid of being attacked. He could have stood in the crowds and joint the Namaaz.
The Janaza namaaz was held throughout Saify Masjid, Raudat Tahera, and on the entire street of Mohammedally Road.
All he could have done was attend, stand on any corner and pray the Janaza Namaaz, in a place where no one would have known.

No excuses

Wow!! Your post says it all (disgusting)
Look how confidently you mentioned about no mumin being able to recognise the Mazun if he stood in a corner ( for whom they gave misaaq for 50 years)..i presume you were probably one of those in the forefront to discredit his rutba for all these years , cause only someone who has been so instrumental in this fitnat against Mazun of syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin(RA) can claim this blasphemous scenario with such conviction.

I pity your "nook and corner roadside" thinking