Degradation of AMIL-Muallim characters

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monginis
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Degradation of AMIL-Muallim characters

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Unread post by monginis » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:04 pm

Bismillah,

I remember 20 years back when I was in madressa my muallim was really knowledgable and he use to live without TV and Internet and use to attain namaaz every day in mosque, we were respecting him dearly.

these days Amil inquires about TV and Internet before he shifts in his devri, most of times songs and dance is going on in devris, and I am sure porn is not an alien thing for amil these days. so my concern is do we really need such guys to lead namaaz?

monginis
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Unread post by monginis » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:10 pm

many jamea students were found guilty of having porn clips in their mobile phones, now its a serious concerns for people in bohra world.

long beard and topi is not really a symbol for dignity and sincerity in bohra's these days.

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Unread post by wise_guy » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:36 pm

One of the ex amil of Malad (now posted in Vasai I guess) is a known womanizer. He is reported to have taken a 2nd wife and is known to have many other women in his life. In the past, a muallim in Malad was reported to Badri mahal by the parents of one madrassa girl who was mis-behaved by that muallim.

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:57 am

There is no reason why Muallim have to be poor....

I think we would have a better future if Moallims first completed their tertiary and secular studies and then started religious scholarship.

This is how Catholics priests are made and Shia Ithnasheri have started promoting intellectuals to religious scholarly ways.

My Muslim friend once said people in the past sent their worst performing children or those they cannot afford to become ustads. Hence the state of fundamental Islam.

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Unread post by monginis » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:06 am

Salaam bhai,

so kind of you to post all these incidents.

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Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:10 am

I call upon Tru Bohra who has been arguing at other threads to read post by Saeed AlKhair. What is happening under the watchfull eyes and Gheab Na Jankar Maula??? when will this stop?? There will be retaliation, very soon God Willing!!

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Unread post by true_bohra » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:14 am

If this case happened then was a police complaint being lodged???

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Unread post by ARB » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:23 am

Mr. Saeed ul Khair, i think there is need for more research on these cases, if possible. Most of them the community has heard through the grapevine, and I believe the only way to break the chains is to take some real action. Noorudeen Bhaisaheb, the person I begrudgingly gave my misaq to, has an ugly personality and is very powerful, unfortunately, due to links with local mafias and police. Would definitely love to bring him down.


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I will relate an incident though it is nothing compared the crimes listed above.

I personally remember during Ramazan maybe 15 years ago, when the same Nooruddin BS, amil of Husami Masjid, Haidery, explicitly ordered in his bayans that everyone has to stay in masjid for bayan and shouldnot leave after prayers. The next day, when many left the masjid after prayers, we found a heavy blockade of Burhani guards who had closed all of the outside gates, and wouldnot let anyone leave! Now this is Karachi, not some poor village. The rozedaars were one by one led outside by Burhani henchmen and beaten out of the crowds eye. Luckily our crowd, who wished to leave the masjid and not sit for his forced bayans, grew more and more and the burhani guards were overpowered and the gates forced open. I wish we had beaten up every burhani guard who dared to force us that day. 15 or so years later Nooruddins power has grown exponentially, and this sort of resistance is unthinkable now.

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Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:28 am

true_bohra wrote:If this case happened then was a police complaint being lodged???
Funny True Bohra that you ask this ........... police complaint??? In India, more so in Pakistan, more so in Karachi, dah .......... where are you living bro?? PLEASE WAKE UP ............ if MAULA is your owner, WHERE is he when he is needed more?? Where are actions which speak louder than words??

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Unread post by salaar » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:02 pm

this is in reply to saeedul khair article which i came across about 15 to 20 years back, iam not taking sides but most of the people mentioned i know them personally very well, they may be dishonest blunt cruel but the accusation of zina is totally baseless, remember this is a tohmat and bohtaan for which you will be answerable and i feel it my duty to negate this false claim, there can be one or two incident that went unnoticed but the way it is described in the article is a bundle of lies, i also like to mention that jamaat is sensitive on this issue and if there is any doubt on anybody they just relieve him of his duties without creating any drama. therefore please evaluate your claims before accusing anyone like this.

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Unread post by think » Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:45 pm

I stand as a witness. These things have happened. why hire such crooks in the first place and then when the media exposes them, your solution is to quietly releive them of their duties. Releiving them of their duties is not the answer. They should be openly whipped by the so called masoom dai to teach a lesson to his appointed crooks. Then i can say the dai is what he claims to be, other than that he is a crook himself playing at the hands of his goonda committees not only in India , Pakistan and Africa but this fungal infection has also reached the wetern shores. Birmingham and Leicester in u.k. and Houston are examples.

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Unread post by saminaben » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:04 pm

In the Catholic Church It took a long time and many years and decades, before countless victims of molestation, rape were able to come forward and obtain justice.
. . First comes outright denial, then comes blaming the victim, silencing the victim. When things get out of hand, a bribery and threats to keep quiet. When things still get out of hand and there are more victims speaking up, then comes the higher ups, the cardinals, the archdiocese. A soft reprimand, slap in the face, marry the victim, provide for the child, but then just shut up. The worse trauma for victims of molestation, and rape is when they get blamed for cooking up a story. Unfortunately, the woman ends up getting blamed and further traumatized by the process of investigation.
....In our bohra community far more needs to be done to investigate, and it's going to have to be a grassroots plus legal, criminal charges. One cannot rely onBurhani guards or Jamaat or Aamil for justice. That would tantamount to a cover -up and appeasement.
Best to file police complaint, and start a paper trail, recording all significant details dates, place, persons, witnesses, and the story.

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Unread post by salaar » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:46 am

believe what you want, iam not saying that every mulla is a farishta but where in the society such crooks are not found, are we unaware of the church stories or the hindu dharamshala, everywhere you will find such cahracters in a very minimal percentage and nobody is trying to defend them, ask the one who gets suffered from their hands but here in this article the overall picture presented is totlally wrong for one or two instance you cannot blame the whole lot if that is the criteria then leave bohras you name a place or an organisation or a community or a family in which you can provide a guarantee of purity of character.

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Unread post by salaar » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:01 am

by the way iam not teaching violence but i suggest the victims instead of going to the jamaat higherups or the law they should abduct the culprit chop off their limbs pop out their eyes and let them live to suffer, i have witnessed people taking such drastic measures, i know a boy who used to study in my college at that time he was hardly 20 thin and feeble, a butcher who was a big guy used to tease her sister while going to college everyday, one day when she returned crying he went to the butchers shop grabbed his big knife stabbed him and cut him into pieces in broad daylight in front of the crowd nobody dared to intervene until the police arrived and after this incident it is said that the butcher lot keeps their eyes down.

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Unread post by jamanpasand » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:22 am

The point is our mola is GHAIB NA JANKAR. So why he is not keeping his amils and sheikhs under check ?

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:30 am

"Barbad-E-Gulistaan Karne Ko To Ek Hi Ullu Kaafi Tha,
Yaha Har Shaakh Pe Ullu Baitha Hai Anjam-E-Gulistan Kya Hoga"

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Unread post by think » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:18 am

known Tayeb bhaisaheb for almost 50 years. I beleive he is the same Tayeb bhaisaheb who is married to the late Tahirbhaisahebs daughter. Tahirbhaisaheb was the founding bhaisaheb of karachi and with his heavy weight and screeching voice was knicknamed. Before him was his father abdulHussain bhaisaheb. This Tayeb bhaisaheb is the brother in law of nurruddin bhaisaheb. Tayeb bhaisaheb is rotton to the core.. Tayeb bhaisaheb has three sons and a daughter. His sons , mustafa, and murtaza are haidri jamia teachers. They are like father like son. mansoorbhaisaheb also has two sons who are haidri jamia teachers.
If these amils and bhaisahebs can resort to such heinous crimes then God only knows how many a times they have sold their souls to the devil for a few coins.
These goonda committee dadagirs and kiss ass chamchas of the amils and bhaisahebs should be flogged in public. I don't think muffy has the guts to punish the wrong. How can he when he himself is in the wrong.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:01 am

Tahir Bhai saheb voice would make the whole masjid laugh. It was the girly voice from an elephant. I know someone who took him to the cleaners for 5 lakh investment scheme in a toy store in Saddar. A friend saw him jump in the pool in Philadelphia, must have been a sight, him in his swimming trunks.

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:34 pm

seeker110 wrote:Tahir Bhai saheb voice would make the whole masjid laugh. It was the girly voice from an elephant. I know someone who took him to the cleaners for 5 lakh investment scheme in a toy store in Saddar. A friend saw him jump in the pool in Philadelphia, must have been a sight, him in his swimming trunks.
No matter how funny they look or how cruel they behave or what foolish thing they say. The bitter truth is that they are enjoying life at the cost of our hard earned money.

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Unread post by think » Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:57 pm

have also seen him bathing is the adam masjid wudu pool with his shorts. and then the same water was used by the abdes for wudu.

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Unread post by Nietzsche » Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:23 pm

Interesting post... not a surprise that these people can stoop so low. Seeing as law enforcement is useless (due to bribes and connections) against some of these people, perhaps a cleansing is in order. Someone here with money and connections (in a position of power) could get it done.

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Unread post by Mkenya » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:10 am

Yusarsif:
Kya kehne hei!
"Barbad-E-Gulistaan Karne Ko To Ek Hi Ullu Kaafi Tha,
Yaha Har Shaakh Pe Ullu Baitha Hai Anjam-E-Gulistan Kya Hoga"

Anjam-E-Gulistan Kya Hoga?
Registan ho jaye ga, aur kya!