The state of Bohras today

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bohri
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by bohri » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:01 pm

Modern and moderate Bohras living in the west enjoy liberal living standards sans std, ridahs, regular markaz visits etc. etc. whilst quietly paying their way into children's misaaq, parent burials and the right to be included in family and friends guest lists. Yet reform is a dirty word for them. How strange!

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Re: Bohras-Worst Mushrik, Nastiest then Qadianies

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Unread post by Saeed al Khair » Thu May 01, 2014 6:40 am

Can someone please edit this text so I can forward it to Muslim Ulama worldwide to expose the ugly face of Dawoodi Bohra Clergy

Saeed al Khair wrote:To
The Ulema, Intellectuals, Human Right Activists and Journalists

Sub: Dawoodi Bohras-Worst then Mushrik, Nastiest then Qadianies

For at least last 50 years, following blatant and sacrilegious acts have been imposed on and practiced by Dawoodi Bohra Clergy - not necessarily in any order:

1. Salwaat, which up till now recited on the prophet and his Ahl ul Bait are being recited on Tahir Saifuddin and Muhammed Burhanuddin. Kufr & Zulm

2. Two Rakaat Salaat, which is not offered even for Nabi, Imams and Ahl al Bait is now being prayed for Tahir Saifuddin, Muhammed Burhanuddin and Mufaddal Shai**nuddin

3. Matam on the Zikr of Tahir Saifuddin and Muhammed Burhanuddin.

4. Compulsory dress code of Saya for all Bohra males, to degrade the dress of Ulema. Compulsory colorful Surti Rida for all Bohra females. Promotion of the Surti culture.

5. Darees, coined for earning of mullas, by devil brain, Dr. Yusuf Najmuddin, the champion rascal and master mind Amir of Jamiatus Safiya. Continual source of income

6. Numerous mandatory Taxes. In past there was merely the nominal and almost voluntary Sabil and Sila Fitra, while at present ikram fund(for the luxury of so called Haramzada Royal Family), Haj fund (an imposed Bidat, introduced for the enjoyment of Mullas on the name of Haj), Establishment Fund(it is a pure Gunda tax, for the utilization of Aamil and his associates). The Dai said: "Khuda Wajebaat Ada Karnar Nay Ghanu Apay ....Ek Na Sitter (70) Apay ...Ek Na Hazar Apay Ghani Anay Ghani Barakat Apay..." I have heard this phrase many times from beggars. Except they do not use word 'Wajebaat'. Sydena (May Allah Guide him to Straight Path and forgive his habit of committing Shirk) is a high class Beggar. He grants Dua usually Tamay Ek Paisa Apsu Tu Khuda Lakh Apsay. Exploitation of Priest.

7. Issuance of dreaded E-Jamat identity cards like the government. Full Exploitation

8. ‘Al Vazaratus Saifya’, Bohra Administrative despotic rule by appointments of the paid local criminals, rather than the honorary local office bearers. Postings of the Qasre Aali/Baite Zaani, the Haraam Royal Family (Rescale family of the Dai) as Aamils and managing executives to the choicest Jamats around the world, rather than qualified. Treat the bastards Royal Family as superior blood lineage. Lavish and luxurious lifestyle of the so-called She-zadas and She-zadis on the hard earnings of the poor community members. Lifestyle of Muawiya and Yazid

9. Waqaf - Every Masjid, Markaz, hospital, musafirkhana or Jamat properties are on the name of Royal Satan Family Members. Renovation of all the Masjids and institutions round the year is a part of business. Demolishing of the good condition Masjids and other Heritage Buildings (just to remove the name plate of its builder) and re-building new structures with the name of the Holy Father Muhammed Burhanuddin or his puppy. Even UNESCO has condemned this ill practice by the Dawoodi Bohra clergy. Permanent Gold Mines

10. Imposed Lisane-Dawat: an adulterated Gujrati, and hate to talk in Urdu. Dawoodi Bohra clergy condemned Urdu speaking class and force them to talk in Gujrati. Policy of Lord Micaville

11. Name changing- 11 Haram She-zadas can change any child's or adult’s name (especially those names which are sound common Muslim to typical type name ,like Bharmal, Tarmal, Jiwanji, Jew, Ratan, without consulting the person or their parents at his own will. Method to rule over the fools

12. Impose compulsory permission of “Raza” from the clergy (Permission of Mulla) for everything that you do in your personal life, just to pocket the money. Even for sexual intercourse with wife, blind followers obtain the permission from Dai, She-zada/Aamil, as a token of sacred blessings/Barkat. Perpetual source of earning

13. Round the year get to gather with different names, to make busy the fools’ members of the community. Controlling policy

14. So called infallibility of the Dai. Tahir Saifuddin's claim that for all practical purposes the Dai is God on earth. See for References: Chanda Bhai Gulla Case, Burhanpur Dargah Case, reported by A.I.L.R. Shirk

15. Persuade people by several manners for Lavish Ziafat and huge Salam for Dai and his puppies, not in millions but in billions. Perpetual source of income

16. Waqaf - Every Masjid, Markaz, hospital, musafirkhana or Jamat properties are on the name of Royal Satan Family Members. Perpetual source of income

17. Minting money by selling Tabarrukat(pieces of stones, wood, Burhanuddin’s grave cover pieces to weak-faith people all over the world. Perpetual business

18.Religious feasts arranged by individuals or by collection, but Amil has to chant that "Syedna Na Ghar Nu Sau Izzan Chey" all people are invited on behalf of Syedna. Lavish feast – Run around the world to collect the money. Feast festivals on every occasion – at least 4 saltiest dishes and 4 sweet dishes, as it is the order of the Dai to do Fakhir feast. Zikre Husain on Dastar Khawn e Muawiyah, Rule over the Fools

19. Slave making custom of Misaq taken when one is not mature mentally. See some points:
If a person taking the oath breaks it, all his possessions, i.e. moveable, cash, housing, utensils, jewels, ornaments, carriages, horses, cattle, milking cows, she buffaloes, slaves- males and females and all worldly materials become unlawful for him. All his property is liable to be confiscated (and to be distributed among the members of the Royal Family /Baite Zaani, the sacred fuckers). When he takes the oath again and accepts all the terms of that covenant then his things become lawful to him and then only he is entitled to get his things back...say yes.

All the benefits which he had already enjoyed (from his possessions) becomes unlawful i.e. with a prospective effect unless he takes the oath afresh (the past enjoyments) do not become lawful. Say yes. All the slaves- males and females of the breaker of the oath become free and the defaulter loses all ownership over them until a fresh oath and he keeps faith with the covenant...say yes.

And if the breaker of the covenant has a wife that wife becomes forbidden to him. The breach of covenant has the effect of three divorces against the wife, irrevocable. The woman can never marry him again; neither can he take her as a wife. Say yes. If the breaker of the oath performs Haj thirty times with naked feet even then God shall not forgive him his sin (in breaking the covenant) nor shall God accept his Haj. But if he takes the oath again by the true Dai’s covenant, his master, then and then alone God shall accept his Haj, his prayers, fasts and other good deeds. ... Say yes.

And the breaker of the covenant accursed of God by that curse which was inflicted on Iblis, the Satan the effect of which was that paradise was lost to Satan and hell became his inheritance.

And the breaker of the covenant shall face God as Kafir and apostate after death. He is beyond redemption by the power of God. He will be thrown on his own soul and shall curse him and shall extend hell to him which hell is the worst of all places. There is no God but the Merciful and Benevolent. The Defaulter turns away his face from the worship of God and turns it to the worship of idols. All Kafirs worship idols and thus shall become attached to the idol and the grace of God shall destroy the breaker of the oath with rapidity and shall confine him to hell in which there is nothing but torture...say yes.” In past it was never intended to be binding for all time by Misaq. Why is the Kothar and their agents forbidding the public to use the translation, is it because they are trying to hide something? During the Misaq ceremony one is shown a piece of paper and you have to sign it, of course no time given to read it and one is not to ask any questions. Why? What are they hiding? You only hide something you done

20. Several innovation occurred in past 50 years among Bohras, which are more than Shirk.
Discrimination and isolation - towards another Muslim community – non Bohra cannot even step to Bohra Markaz or Masjid. Promotion of Sectarian Hatred

21. Families with girls are abiding with all rules and regulations, since they are worried about the girls and would like to get them married only to Bohra boys. For the sake of the girls they have to bear all the torture of the clergy. I say some of them, Allah is your protector. Even if the girl is married in a non Bohra family (like it is in so many cases around the world) as long as the girl is happy that should be your concern. A Bohra boy does not necessary mean a good boy. Our Prophet married Abubaker’s daughter Aysha and Umar’s daughter Hafsa,Umme habiba-sister of Muawiyah. Follow his Sunnat. Do not bear the atrocities of the clergy because you are afraid for daughter’s future. Trust Allah and if He has bestowed you a daughter then He will provide her companion. Have the faith in Allah not in the Mulla Dalla .Exploitation

22. Dai Mufaddal Shaitanuddin force to send Lanat on Umar, Abubakar and Usman. Promotion of Sectarian Hatred, lead to riots.

23. Female Genital Mutilation (FGM). In Bohra hospitals, clinics and set up this heinous crime has been practice. Every community girl is forced to remove her upper vagina portion. This crime has been done under top secrecy. Violation of Women Rights/Sexual Crimes

24.Wadhana/Arti has great importance in all ceremonies. Kurnish/Qadambosi,Namastey style of Salaam with folded two hands, in front of even a petty Mulla. Hindu Tradition.

25. Interference of Aamil/mulla in all personal matters of community member is routine. Prsecution among families. Exploitation by ghunda force of the “Burhani Guards”. Ghunda Raj

26. Installed Galla-treasury boxes in every Mazars in India and Yemen to pocket the billions of rupees for the higher clergy. Perpetual source of income. Spent millions of dollars in Ruzat Tahira, Bhindi Bazar. Destroy hard earned money of the community unnecessary. Self glorification of the holy father by the holy son

27. Properties and investments of Qasre Aali/Baite Zaani in abroad. The holy father and his thug family are vacationing in West and enjoying earning fat bucks, private jet riding, money making Ziyafats, sightseeing and the list can go on and on. For the past several years Holy Family(Dai’s Family) have invaded the Western World, Africa, Middle East and Far East for the obvious reason - to make easy money in these rich countries and same time they can get away from the legal problems and lawsuits etc. that have plagued them for many years in their native country of India. Exploitation and Corruption

28. Holy Father-Syedna has declared forbidden to read Quran's translation in English,urdu,Gujrati or any other language. Exploitation

29. Holy Father, Syedna sale the title of Shiekh to increase his wealth and control to lose character, notorious drunkard, rapist and so on. Any criminal, third grade person can get honour in Bohra Jamaat from the Dai to pay his demanded amount, which is 20 lakh to One carore Rs to get the position of Sheikh. Some 100 years ago this position was given to the Aalim and Muttaqi person only, without money. Today if “Hijra” pay the amount, Mufaddal grant him position of Sheikh. Degradation of the Ulama /literates

30. The team of Dai and his international Mafia are remaining busy in brain-washing the Bohra community for their own malicious interests. Exploitation and Corruption

31. Around the world, Bohra Clergy is collecting substantial amounts of money from their followers through various funds with new tactics. This exploitation of the public hard earnings is not for community welfare but it’s for Dai’s family. If they utilized public funds for community’s education, research, hospitals, or the creation of new jobs for everybody (not just for the select few) than it would make much more sense. Syedna and his punters are imposing unnecessary rules and regulations. They are mimicking a dictatorship type system in this 21st century. In turn, followers cannot ever question the accountability of monies collected and address any issues or suggestions without being ex-communicated from the Jamat. Exploitation and Corruption


32. At every event and after each Salaat in Masjid the Pesh Imam force to do Matam. This is wrong because Matam should only be set aside for the month of Moharram only. The Mullas do not have to preach much and spend the majority of the time sitting on a cushioned chair watching everybody else doing Matam. After hours of exhaustion, the Mullas are ready to fatten their pockets. If you haven't noticed, the Mullas are insisting that Sayedna should come to your city for Waaz in Moharram. This is another scheme to get your hard earned "mighty" finance. The Holy Shaitan Family is more eager to collect dollars than any other currency because his wealth can be increased at a much faster rate. Why should our money go to an investment without any return? In light of the above statements something must be done to change the corrupt system implemented by the Sayedna. We must all unite together and struggle for a major change against these "Blood Suckers" and save our community from their evil tactics. Why our community is centered so strongly around one goal- the collection of money? Insult of Matam and promote Phobia

33. Bohras are not part of Ummah at all. They are cult that uses the principles of Islam to make money. They quote Ali and Husain in their lectures and do Matam without any knowledge of the true meaning behind their actions. The Team of Shezadas and Mufaddal profits heavily on the name of Imam Husain. Did past Imams and dais make a business out of Islamic teachings and values? Insult of Matam and spread Phobia. Exploitation on the name of Husain

34. Corruption in the Bohra community has been prevalent for more than 60 years. It all began when late Dai Tahir Saifuddin was instilled with power. Once in power the atrocities gradually became the mainstream of our society. Mufadal Saifudin began to exploit the public by imposing ridiculous Fatwas, the Un-Islamic Misaq, attaining property from the public and transferring the title of the private property to his name, money making Ziyafats, exonerating people upon receiving huge sums of money, increasing the status of an individual with financial payments, or heavy taxation (Sabeel, Khumus). When Burhanuddin’s son Mufaddal became the so-called “Moula” he followed the footsteps of his father and increased the corruption to staggering “levels”. Mufaddal started the “dreaded” collection of money for every step of one’s personal life, name changing, and running to see him wherever he is during Moharram. Mufaddal Saifuddin is the sole person responsible for the development and implementation of his corrupt practices. The local Aamils, Bhaisahebs, and etc implement the orders dictated by Mufaddal. From every Bohra Jamaat (round the world) CEO of Mufaddal wants to see profits trickle into their massive bank accounts. Therefore, to ensure a constant flow of cash Dai puts Aamils, Sheiks, etc to manage the operation. Remember, they report to children of Mufaddal and inform of operations. This is simply a business of Mufaddal which he has created and enjoys reaping the profits. Islam never explicitly or implicitly mentions that it is acceptable for one to create a business in the name of Islam. If you don’t agree with the truth mentioned above then you are practicing the wrong religion. Ruling by international Mafia Net work

35. The Dai announce to grant the Qarzan Hasana fund is money collected from large amounts of contributions in the form Bhatta beside Salam, Zakat, and other imposed taxes the Kothar receives everyday from mindless Bohras. First of all, to even be eligible for money from Qarzan Hasana you have to be the “fanatic follower” of the Jamaat. Basically you have to lick their ass till your tongue turns brown. After struggling to get acknowledgment and awareness from the clergy that you are in the need of money a huge salaam will be required from the borrower. The salaam is similar to paying interest on a loan because it's money that you literally throw away in order to participate in a loan. And to make matters worse, you have to give them a substantial amount of collateral. Unwillingly, the priest class will assume that your collateral is a gift and your likelihood of receiving it back is slim to none. Finally, when your hopes begin to rise they will immediately sink down when they issue you funds for an insignificant amount. For people expecting 400,000 to 500,000 (the usual amount needed to start a small business nowadays), forget it. You’ll be lucky to receive even 20,000.What we object to is the non-accountability of these "Baitulmaal". One simple question: How does the Bohra Clergy maintain or sustain their lavish lifestyles around the world and world-wide travels. You may say that they are entitled to a stipend for serving the community. If they are entitled to such exorbitant stipends, how about the real Mullah and Sheikhs (graduates of the Jameia) who serve the flock throughout the world - I may add in the rural communities as opposed to the Bhaisahebs and She-zadas who "serve" in the urban and international cities. I recently went around India for Ziyarats and I saw with my own eyes how the real Mullas and Sheikhs live pathetically and poorly and serve the community in or around the villages and towns - especially looking after some Mazaars. You offer them a token salaam and they a thank you profusely and with such heartfelt gratification and Dua. Compare this to the Zaani Bhaisahebs and Harami She-zadas. They will demand hefty Salams even before they provide funeral service and then treat you like dirt - even with curses!! By the way, can you elaborate on "Allah keeps me from wrath for asking you to perform your Salaat.” Exploitation and Corruption

36. Mufaddal stresses to their "slaves" that it is forbidden to collect interest (Riba) by putting your money in an account that earns a financial reward. Well, I would like to know if Mufaddal Saifuddin “practices what he preaches” in regards to his personal finances? Where does he keep the billions of Dollars he has accumulated in the past several decades? Does he store his commodities in the form of cash in his palace or in Swiss Bank accounts earning high rates of interest and in addition, protection from the I.R.S.? Think about it for a minute. With the amount of financial resources at the fingertips of Mufaddal one can wonder about the broad range of investment opportunities available to him. I can undeniably imagine that banks come forward to Syedna begging him to store his enormous wealth in their accounts. Exploitation and Corruption

37. Majority of Bohra women are highly emotional and uneducated and, therefore, are prone to manipulation by Mulla. As a matter of fact because of these fanatic Bohra women, Mufaddal’s Business is booming at very staggering level. Also, mostly men in the Bohra community are very puny and act like sissies in front of Mufaddal and his family. They need to resist Khotar and must do concrete effort for the change. In order to combat the big "Lucifer" and his cabinet, there is no need to live in fear or intimidated by "thug" Shaitanuddin and Company. Ignorance of Bohra Community

38. Typical Bohra Wedding Card written in "Dawat Nee Zabaan" for Bohra slaves imposed by "Burhani Mafia" - It's so funny and it symbolizes Mufaddal Saifuddin as an idol or God that is in need of worship! The wedding cards 5 to 10 years ago were not written to praise Dai like a god. This card is so senseless and made even worse because it is written in "dumb" Gujrati, so called Dawat Nee Zaban. How dumb can the Bohras get by adopting this trash and forgetting the supremacy of Allah? Here it goes: “Syedna Duae Mustajab See Makhsus Chey. Har Majlis Mashhad Ma Dua Na Motiyo Nisar Farmavey Chey. Ye Dua Par Malaikat Amin Boley Chey. Khasatan Ehna Mazahir Zikra Na Khutba Ma Nazar Aaya, Ye Dua Ni Barakat Pehriyo lagan baki rehsay. Haqiqi nemat Hudat- kiraam chey. Ye Hudat Karaam ni zikar haqiqat ma Khuda ni zikar chey. Ye nemato ni zikar har haal ma wajib chey. Ye zikar shukar adaa karwa no bhalo zariya chey. Ehny hurmat si hamari daughter/son---- nee Shadee naseeb thaee chay. Ahma shareek thawa nu aap nay izan araz kariyay chay---Tey kabul farmavi libasul Anwar ma tashrif laavi mamnun kariye--- Every invitation cards/letter have to mentioned Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name and at the end one has to be mentioned as "Abde Syedna" and "Amte Syedna". Shirk---Ghunda Mafia Rule by force of Danda

39. Ashra of Moharram - its festival of joy for Mufaddal and his mafia Kothar - They run around all over the world to make the most money -Where is Mufaddal going to be this year? How insane can a 93 year old person be? He is still meandering all over the world to make fat bucks in the name of Imam Hussain. I know that the fanatical Bohris are willing to scurry about the Earth this Mohrarram in search of Mufaddal. No Muslim leader anywhere in the world makes such vulgar show of his personality as Mufaddal does, by stopping Waiz everywhere and compelling the followers to gather at just one place where he is delivering his sermons. Bohra shop owners are compelled to close down their shops, businessmen to suspend their business and students to miss their classes and exams for 9 days of Moharram and be present in the Masjids to hear Dai's discourses. Crores of rupees are spent on relaying his lackluster Waiz in Bohra-populace all over the world. Bohra men and women kneeling down on the road with folded hands, like a slave, on Dai's arrival and departure, at each time and all places. Dai’s establishment invited media and TV channels personnel with their cameras inside the mosques to cover the occasion and give it as much publicity as possible. The whole atmosphere in the Bohra locality was heavy with the cult and personality of Dai. No one, not even his representatives while sending press release ever talks about the tragedy of Karbala or Teachings of Islam. They only talk about the Burhanuddin, falsely claiming that he is most concerned for Muslims, for love, peace integrity and well-being of every individual in the world. The fact is that Mufaddal is not bothered even about the sufferings of his own followers. He and his establishment leave no occasion to exploit and squeeze money from his followers. Even for his Moharram sermons he charges amounts in crores of rupees as his Salam and then only he agrees to deliver his sermons at a place of his choice. Red carpets are rolled out all over the path for dai as if he were a monarch and not a religious leader. Yadgare Yazidi

40. As RSS (fundamentalist Hindu grassroots organization, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) camp the followers worship weapons like swords and trishool, Dawoodi Bohras worship Syedna and Mufaddal worships power and those who are in power. Why does Mufaddal Saifuddin constantly travel all over the world fervently collecting money from Bohra communities? Shouldn’t he take a break? Moula Money, Moula Money, Moula Money. How much money does “Lalchee” Mufaddal Saifuddin want to collect before he passes on? Isn't the current amount he has sufficient? Sky is the limit

41. As if it is a day of Eid, Bohra happily call the 10th Moharram as Ashara Mubarak and celebrate it with fine colorful dresses as "Women use colorful Ridas - in baby pink, pale green, baby blue, lavender - embroidered with intricate floral patterns, lavish food with chicken biryani, ice-cream and sweets. Why does Bohra Dai made the month of Muharram similar to a circus event where thousands of Bohras follow him around like sheep? Has there ever been a time when Mufaddal's repetitive lackluster lecture has bored you to the point of dozing off for a brief moment? Be honest now! Ah------------- Only power full name is Ya Husain----- Ya Husain, Mumineen Nee Jamaat--------Ah--------Ya Husain----------Ah—Bawajee Saheb Farmaway Chay Su Kaam Fikar Karu Cho, Mey Jannat Ma Laee Jaees.

42. How can Mufaddal Saifuddin claim he is a Dai when he doesn't exhibit any qualities of a Dai? Aren't genuine Dai's suppose to live a life without luxury, numerous quantity of material goods, and reaping a massive amount of money on almost every occasion of his life? Like Guru Rajnesh

43. Why has Syedna developed such a system where we must offer money every time to get permission, for burial purposes, marriage, naming ceremonies, new births, birthdays, and several other "rituals"? It wouldn't shock me if Syedna Mufaddal required us to ask him permission for each time we shit, pee, or engage in sexual activity and don't forget we would have to offer him Salam along the way.

How long Pigs of Qasr-e-Aali and bulldogs of Bait-e-Zaani will suck blood of Bohras???

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Members of The Dawoodi Bohra Jamaat, Mumbai, India

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by monginis » Thu May 01, 2014 6:44 am

make sure u translate it to arabic as well.

send it to islamic organizations in saudi and egypt.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Saeed al Khair » Thu May 01, 2014 6:54 am

I will send it definitely to all leading Islamic institutions, but someone should edit it first, for the great cause

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Alamdaar » Thu May 01, 2014 6:59 am

Saeed al Khair wrote:I will send it definitely to all leading Islamic institutions, but someone should edit it first, for the great cause
if you need help to find email addresses let me know, I will definitely help on this.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by soulsurvivor » Thu May 01, 2014 8:12 am

It looks that people still want leaders rather than discovering the leadership qualities within them...??? why are we still raking the field to find seeds of skq or ms?? we should leave them to their own accord. Looking a leniency means you are still in need of someone??? please sit back and read a quran..think of what u have done? I don't think we need leaders who survive on amassing human capital to run their revenue streams..yea they should be able to attract people that will prove!
Last many years I thought spirituality had space within our community forgoing personal logic and reinforcing faith..Now where is the knowledge gone all of a sudden?? where is Ilham? where revelations?...What about those vows and virtues that were conveyed through vision?? Still you mean we have to blind ourselves? Under this same banner subjugated to paying all kinds of money? people talking nothing but who next in masjids? C'mon I think we have lost it!!
Only two things I can anticipate: A) Either there will now be two sects muffys (saifee bohra or burhani bohras & SKQ fatemi bohras or qutbi bohras whatever they wanna name) B) there entire bohrism will fragment into infinite parts..as with the way world is moving ahead people have to see their livelihoods than sit into all these beliefs.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by alam » Thu May 01, 2014 12:57 pm

Humsafar wrote:. . . Reformists demands are clear, and we would want those demands implemented for the whole community no matter who the dai is.
. . . .
If not, then we will wait until the Dai is cast. In the meantime everything else is just noise, gullible Bohras getting excited over nothing.
Well, the question is really not "who the dais is", but "which dai you follow". The split - firqah has happened. The court case or other events is not going to change that.

It is about time the reformist agenda and mission begin to reflect on these realities - whether they want to stand for the "Whole" Dawoodi Bohra community upto 52nd dai, and thereby embrace everyone as part of the reform process and movement.

If the Central Board is committed for the welfare and justice for the larger Dawoodi Bohra community, it's going to have to come to grips with the reality that no matter the court outcome, the community is permanently split after the 52nd Dai. That's where our generation and the next generation or two or three will require the process of reform to stay vibrant and alive.

I may be wrong, but I don't quite see either SMS or SKQ conceding and accepting the other. It's just not going to happen. And therefore, each will have its own followers.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Saeed al Khair » Thu May 01, 2014 2:26 pm

Thank you and please send me list of emails of Islamic institutions

Alamdaar wrote:
Saeed al Khair wrote:I will send it definitely to all leading Islamic institutions, but someone should edit it first, for the great cause
if you need help to find email addresses let me know, I will definitely help on this.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by bohri » Thu May 01, 2014 11:36 pm

Saeed al Khair wrote:I will send it definitely to all leading Islamic institutions, but someone should edit it first, for the great cause

I fail to see your objective. Why do the Bohras need an outside party to help liberate them? The answer is so simple. STOP financing the bullies. No matter how many fatwas or threats the Kothar receives from the Ulema or any other body, they will continue to prosper and rule as long as the Abdes allow themselves to be enslaved.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Fri May 02, 2014 12:45 am

brother I have almost 15 email addresses, I am sending you via PM or u can send me ur email.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by JC » Fri May 02, 2014 2:24 pm

Hit Kothar where it will Hurt the most ........... stop paying, delay paying, reduce paying, stop going, reduce going ... this is KEY..!! kae excises, question them, even lie to them ............ unless this happens Gonda Raj will continue..!!

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by wise_guy » Fri May 02, 2014 2:28 pm

JC wrote:If a Pope can be 'elected' why not a Dai??
If Christians eat Pork, why can't we.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by JC » Fri May 02, 2014 2:31 pm

wise_guy wrote:
JC wrote:If a Pope can be 'elected' why not a Dai??
If Christians eat Pork, why can't we.
If you can come up with 'convincing reasons' and can convince yourself that eating pork is OK then nobody should stop you..!! We have use 'logic' and apply science and common sense too.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri May 02, 2014 3:39 pm

@jc
If you have logic then you wouldnt have asked that question.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by JC » Fri May 02, 2014 3:52 pm

true_bohra wrote:@jc
If you have logic then you wouldnt have asked that question.
Agreed Tru_Bohra ..........

We SHOULD elect Dai like Pope ............ :)

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Fri May 02, 2014 9:03 pm

exact problem of bohras summarized in few lines.

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Request for Email IDs

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Unread post by Saeed al Khair » Fri May 02, 2014 11:56 pm

Respected Members
Kindly send me contact Email IDs of the top Muslim institutions, especially in Muslim countries. I wish to send them details of the crime which Mufaddal and brothers are committing. These Rascals have turned the Dawoodi Bohra Muslims in to Mushrik bunch of Hell.

Please send me Email IDs of Pakistani institutions too, because in Pakistan clergy brain washed a large class, and created a large army of fanatics. Nooruddin Aamil is the main culprit who designed a net work inside the community in following the MQM, a political bloody mafia of Pakistan.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Rebel » Sun May 04, 2014 12:12 am

The state of Bohras is in doldrums. The brain washed bohras only enjoys thals leaden health destructive foods for their own health and gossiping is their favorite past time. Formal Education is of no value to them. Only a few have moved up in the community as doctors, engineers and scientists. Masses you will find them sitting in small shops with long foul smelling beards and chanting their leaders names.

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SARDAR KAUN HEY?

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Unread post by talibeilm » Sun May 04, 2014 2:06 am

FOLLOWING ASHAAR OF A GHAZAL APTLY SUFFICE THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS OF OUR COMMUNITY
KISKO YEH FIKR HEY KI KABILE KA KYA HUA?
SAB IS PE LADH RAHE HEY KI SARDAR KAUN HEY?
DEEWAR PAR SAJA TO DIYE BAGHIYO KE SAR
AB YEH BHI DEKH LE PASE DEEWAR KAUN HEY?
YEH FAISLA TO WAQT BHI SHAYAD NA KAR SAKE
SACH KAUN BOLTA HEY ADAAKAR KAUN HEY?

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Re: SARDAR KAUN HEY?

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Unread post by Rebel » Sun May 04, 2014 3:12 am

It is so sad that in the name of religion we have destroyed our good relations and friendships with one another. Religion and beliefs of individuals are personal and everyone should have right to worship who they worship and how they worship without the fear of harassment or insult.

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Re: Bohras-Worst Mushrik, Nastiest then Qadianies

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Unread post by Nafisa » Sun May 04, 2014 5:01 pm

Saeed al Khair wrote:Can someone please edit this text so I can forward it to Muslim Ulama worldwide to expose the ugly face of Dawoodi Bohra Clergy

Saeed al Khair wrote:To
The Ulema, Intellectuals, Human Right Activists and Journalists

Sub: Dawoodi Bohras-Worst then Mushrik, Nastiest then Qadianies

For at least last 50 years, following blatant and sacrilegious acts have been imposed on and practiced by Dawoodi Bohra Clergy - not necessarily in any order:

1. Salwaat, which up till now recited on the prophet and his Ahl ul Bait are being recited on Tahir Saifuddin and Muhammed Burhanuddin. Kufr & Zulm

2. Two Rakaat Salaat, which is not offered even for Nabi, Imams and Ahl al Bait is now being prayed for Tahir Saifuddin, Muhammed Burhanuddin and Mufaddal Shai**nuddin

3. Matam on the Zikr of Tahir Saifuddin and Muhammed Burhanuddin.

4. Compulsory dress code of Saya for all Bohra males, to degrade the dress of Ulema. Compulsory colorful Surti Rida for all Bohra females. Promotion of the Surti culture.

5. Darees, coined for earning of mullas, by devil brain, Dr. Yusuf Najmuddin, the champion rascal and master mind Amir of Jamiatus Safiya. Continual source of income

6. Numerous mandatory Taxes. In past there was merely the nominal and almost voluntary Sabil and Sila Fitra, while at present ikram fund(for the luxury of so called Haramzada Royal Family), Haj fund (an imposed Bidat, introduced for the enjoyment of Mullas on the name of Haj), Establishment Fund(it is a pure Gunda tax, for the utilization of Aamil and his associates). The Dai said: "Khuda Wajebaat Ada Karnar Nay Ghanu Apay ....Ek Na Sitter (70) Apay ...Ek Na Hazar Apay Ghani Anay Ghani Barakat Apay..." I have heard this phrase many times from beggars. Except they do not use word 'Wajebaat'. Sydena (May Allah Guide him to Straight Path and forgive his habit of committing Shirk) is a high class Beggar. He grants Dua usually Tamay Ek Paisa Apsu Tu Khuda Lakh Apsay. Exploitation of Priest.

7. Issuance of dreaded E-Jamat identity cards like the government. Full Exploitation

8. ‘Al Vazaratus Saifya’, Bohra Administrative despotic rule by appointments of the paid local criminals, rather than the honorary local office bearers. Postings of the Qasre Aali/Baite Zaani, the Haraam Royal Family (Rescale family of the Dai) as Aamils and managing executives to the choicest Jamats around the world, rather than qualified. Treat the bastards Royal Family as superior blood lineage. Lavish and luxurious lifestyle of the so-called She-zadas and She-zadis on the hard earnings of the poor community members. Lifestyle of Muawiya and Yazid

9. Waqaf - Every Masjid, Markaz, hospital, musafirkhana or Jamat properties are on the name of Royal Satan Family Members. Renovation of all the Masjids and institutions round the year is a part of business. Demolishing of the good condition Masjids and other Heritage Buildings (just to remove the name plate of its builder) and re-building new structures with the name of the Holy Father Muhammed Burhanuddin or his puppy. Even UNESCO has condemned this ill practice by the Dawoodi Bohra clergy. Permanent Gold Mines

10. Imposed Lisane-Dawat: an adulterated Gujrati, and hate to talk in Urdu. Dawoodi Bohra clergy condemned Urdu speaking class and force them to talk in Gujrati. Policy of Lord Micaville

11. Name changing- 11 Haram She-zadas can change any child's or adult’s name (especially those names which are sound common Muslim to typical type name ,like Bharmal, Tarmal, Jiwanji, Jew, Ratan, without consulting the person or their parents at his own will. Method to rule over the fools

12. Impose compulsory permission of “Raza” from the clergy (Permission of Mulla) for everything that you do in your personal life, just to pocket the money. Even for sexual intercourse with wife, blind followers obtain the permission from Dai, She-zada/Aamil, as a token of sacred blessings/Barkat. Perpetual source of earning

13. Round the year get to gather with different names, to make busy the fools’ members of the community. Controlling policy

14. So called infallibility of the Dai. Tahir Saifuddin's claim that for all practical purposes the Dai is God on earth. See for References: Chanda Bhai Gulla Case, Burhanpur Dargah Case, reported by A.I.L.R. Shirk

15. Persuade people by several manners for Lavish Ziafat and huge Salam for Dai and his puppies, not in millions but in billions. Perpetual source of income

16. Waqaf - Every Masjid, Markaz, hospital, musafirkhana or Jamat properties are on the name of Royal Satan Family Members. Perpetual source of income

17. Minting money by selling Tabarrukat(pieces of stones, wood, Burhanuddin’s grave cover pieces to weak-faith people all over the world. Perpetual business

18.Religious feasts arranged by individuals or by collection, but Amil has to chant that "Syedna Na Ghar Nu Sau Izzan Chey" all people are invited on behalf of Syedna. Lavish feast – Run around the world to collect the money. Feast festivals on every occasion – at least 4 saltiest dishes and 4 sweet dishes, as it is the order of the Dai to do Fakhir feast. Zikre Husain on Dastar Khawn e Muawiyah, Rule over the Fools

19. Slave making custom of Misaq taken when one is not mature mentally. See some points:
If a person taking the oath breaks it, all his possessions, i.e. moveable, cash, housing, utensils, jewels, ornaments, carriages, horses, cattle, milking cows, she buffaloes, slaves- males and females and all worldly materials become unlawful for him. All his property is liable to be confiscated (and to be distributed among the members of the Royal Family /Baite Zaani, the sacred fuckers). When he takes the oath again and accepts all the terms of that covenant then his things become lawful to him and then only he is entitled to get his things back...say yes.

All the benefits which he had already enjoyed (from his possessions) becomes unlawful i.e. with a prospective effect unless he takes the oath afresh (the past enjoyments) do not become lawful. Say yes. All the slaves- males and females of the breaker of the oath become free and the defaulter loses all ownership over them until a fresh oath and he keeps faith with the covenant...say yes.

And if the breaker of the covenant has a wife that wife becomes forbidden to him. The breach of covenant has the effect of three divorces against the wife, irrevocable. The woman can never marry him again; neither can he take her as a wife. Say yes. If the breaker of the oath performs Haj thirty times with naked feet even then God shall not forgive him his sin (in breaking the covenant) nor shall God accept his Haj. But if he takes the oath again by the true Dai’s covenant, his master, then and then alone God shall accept his Haj, his prayers, fasts and other good deeds. ... Say yes.

And the breaker of the covenant accursed of God by that curse which was inflicted on Iblis, the Satan the effect of which was that paradise was lost to Satan and hell became his inheritance.

And the breaker of the covenant shall face God as Kafir and apostate after death. He is beyond redemption by the power of God. He will be thrown on his own soul and shall curse him and shall extend hell to him which hell is the worst of all places. There is no God but the Merciful and Benevolent. The Defaulter turns away his face from the worship of God and turns it to the worship of idols. All Kafirs worship idols and thus shall become attached to the idol and the grace of God shall destroy the breaker of the oath with rapidity and shall confine him to hell in which there is nothing but torture...say yes.” In past it was never intended to be binding for all time by Misaq. Why is the Kothar and their agents forbidding the public to use the translation, is it because they are trying to hide something? During the Misaq ceremony one is shown a piece of paper and you have to sign it, of course no time given to read it and one is not to ask any questions. Why? What are they hiding? You only hide something you done

20. Several innovation occurred in past 50 years among Bohras, which are more than Shirk.
Discrimination and isolation - towards another Muslim community – non Bohra cannot even step to Bohra Markaz or Masjid. Promotion of Sectarian Hatred

21. Families with girls are abiding with all rules and regulations, since they are worried about the girls and would like to get them married only to Bohra boys. For the sake of the girls they have to bear all the torture of the clergy. I say some of them, Allah is your protector. Even if the girl is married in a non Bohra family (like it is in so many cases around the world) as long as the girl is happy that should be your concern. A Bohra boy does not necessary mean a good boy. Our Prophet married Abubaker’s daughter Aysha and Umar’s daughter Hafsa,Umme habiba-sister of Muawiyah. Follow his Sunnat. Do not bear the atrocities of the clergy because you are afraid for daughter’s future. Trust Allah and if He has bestowed you a daughter then He will provide her companion. Have the faith in Allah not in the Mulla Dalla .Exploitation

22. Dai Mufaddal Shaitanuddin force to send Lanat on Umar, Abubakar and Usman. Promotion of Sectarian Hatred, lead to riots.

23. Female Genital Mutilation (FGM). In Bohra hospitals, clinics and set up this heinous crime has been practice. Every community girl is forced to remove her upper vagina portion. This crime has been done under top secrecy. Violation of Women Rights/Sexual Crimes

24.Wadhana/Arti has great importance in all ceremonies. Kurnish/Qadambosi,Namastey style of Salaam with folded two hands, in front of even a petty Mulla. Hindu Tradition.

25. Interference of Aamil/mulla in all personal matters of community member is routine. Prsecution among families. Exploitation by ghunda force of the “Burhani Guards”. Ghunda Raj

26. Installed Galla-treasury boxes in every Mazars in India and Yemen to pocket the billions of rupees for the higher clergy. Perpetual source of income. Spent millions of dollars in Ruzat Tahira, Bhindi Bazar. Destroy hard earned money of the community unnecessary. Self glorification of the holy father by the holy son

27. Properties and investments of Qasre Aali/Baite Zaani in abroad. The holy father and his thug family are vacationing in West and enjoying earning fat bucks, private jet riding, money making Ziyafats, sightseeing and the list can go on and on. For the past several years Holy Family(Dai’s Family) have invaded the Western World, Africa, Middle East and Far East for the obvious reason - to make easy money in these rich countries and same time they can get away from the legal problems and lawsuits etc. that have plagued them for many years in their native country of India. Exploitation and Corruption

28. Holy Father-Syedna has declared forbidden to read Quran's translation in English,urdu,Gujrati or any other language. Exploitation

29. Holy Father, Syedna sale the title of Shiekh to increase his wealth and control to lose character, notorious drunkard, rapist and so on. Any criminal, third grade person can get honour in Bohra Jamaat from the Dai to pay his demanded amount, which is 20 lakh to One carore Rs to get the position of Sheikh. Some 100 years ago this position was given to the Aalim and Muttaqi person only, without money. Today if “Hijra” pay the amount, Mufaddal grant him position of Sheikh. Degradation of the Ulama /literates

30. The team of Dai and his international Mafia are remaining busy in brain-washing the Bohra community for their own malicious interests. Exploitation and Corruption

31. Around the world, Bohra Clergy is collecting substantial amounts of money from their followers through various funds with new tactics. This exploitation of the public hard earnings is not for community welfare but it’s for Dai’s family. If they utilized public funds for community’s education, research, hospitals, or the creation of new jobs for everybody (not just for the select few) than it would make much more sense. Syedna and his punters are imposing unnecessary rules and regulations. They are mimicking a dictatorship type system in this 21st century. In turn, followers cannot ever question the accountability of monies collected and address any issues or suggestions without being ex-communicated from the Jamat. Exploitation and Corruption


32. At every event and after each Salaat in Masjid the Pesh Imam force to do Matam. This is wrong because Matam should only be set aside for the month of Moharram only. The Mullas do not have to preach much and spend the majority of the time sitting on a cushioned chair watching everybody else doing Matam. After hours of exhaustion, the Mullas are ready to fatten their pockets. If you haven't noticed, the Mullas are insisting that Sayedna should come to your city for Waaz in Moharram. This is another scheme to get your hard earned "mighty" finance. The Holy Shaitan Family is more eager to collect dollars than any other currency because his wealth can be increased at a much faster rate. Why should our money go to an investment without any return? In light of the above statements something must be done to change the corrupt system implemented by the Sayedna. We must all unite together and struggle for a major change against these "Blood Suckers" and save our community from their evil tactics. Why our community is centered so strongly around one goal- the collection of money? Insult of Matam and promote Phobia

33. Bohras are not part of Ummah at all. They are cult that uses the principles of Islam to make money. They quote Ali and Husain in their lectures and do Matam without any knowledge of the true meaning behind their actions. The Team of Shezadas and Mufaddal profits heavily on the name of Imam Husain. Did past Imams and dais make a business out of Islamic teachings and values? Insult of Matam and spread Phobia. Exploitation on the name of Husain

34. Corruption in the Bohra community has been prevalent for more than 60 years. It all began when late Dai Tahir Saifuddin was instilled with power. Once in power the atrocities gradually became the mainstream of our society. Mufadal Saifudin began to exploit the public by imposing ridiculous Fatwas, the Un-Islamic Misaq, attaining property from the public and transferring the title of the private property to his name, money making Ziyafats, exonerating people upon receiving huge sums of money, increasing the status of an individual with financial payments, or heavy taxation (Sabeel, Khumus). When Burhanuddin’s son Mufaddal became the so-called “Moula” he followed the footsteps of his father and increased the corruption to staggering “levels”. Mufaddal started the “dreaded” collection of money for every step of one’s personal life, name changing, and running to see him wherever he is during Moharram. Mufaddal Saifuddin is the sole person responsible for the development and implementation of his corrupt practices. The local Aamils, Bhaisahebs, and etc implement the orders dictated by Mufaddal. From every Bohra Jamaat (round the world) CEO of Mufaddal wants to see profits trickle into their massive bank accounts. Therefore, to ensure a constant flow of cash Dai puts Aamils, Sheiks, etc to manage the operation. Remember, they report to children of Mufaddal and inform of operations. This is simply a business of Mufaddal which he has created and enjoys reaping the profits. Islam never explicitly or implicitly mentions that it is acceptable for one to create a business in the name of Islam. If you don’t agree with the truth mentioned above then you are practicing the wrong religion. Ruling by international Mafia Net work

35. The Dai announce to grant the Qarzan Hasana fund is money collected from large amounts of contributions in the form Bhatta beside Salam, Zakat, and other imposed taxes the Kothar receives everyday from mindless Bohras. First of all, to even be eligible for money from Qarzan Hasana you have to be the “fanatic follower” of the Jamaat. Basically you have to lick their ass till your tongue turns brown. After struggling to get acknowledgment and awareness from the clergy that you are in the need of money a huge salaam will be required from the borrower. The salaam is similar to paying interest on a loan because it's money that you literally throw away in order to participate in a loan. And to make matters worse, you have to give them a substantial amount of collateral. Unwillingly, the priest class will assume that your collateral is a gift and your likelihood of receiving it back is slim to none. Finally, when your hopes begin to rise they will immediately sink down when they issue you funds for an insignificant amount. For people expecting 400,000 to 500,000 (the usual amount needed to start a small business nowadays), forget it. You’ll be lucky to receive even 20,000.What we object to is the non-accountability of these "Baitulmaal". One simple question: How does the Bohra Clergy maintain or sustain their lavish lifestyles around the world and world-wide travels. You may say that they are entitled to a stipend for serving the community. If they are entitled to such exorbitant stipends, how about the real Mullah and Sheikhs (graduates of the Jameia) who serve the flock throughout the world - I may add in the rural communities as opposed to the Bhaisahebs and She-zadas who "serve" in the urban and international cities. I recently went around India for Ziyarats and I saw with my own eyes how the real Mullas and Sheikhs live pathetically and poorly and serve the community in or around the villages and towns - especially looking after some Mazaars. You offer them a token salaam and they a thank you profusely and with such heartfelt gratification and Dua. Compare this to the Zaani Bhaisahebs and Harami She-zadas. They will demand hefty Salams even before they provide funeral service and then treat you like dirt - even with curses!! By the way, can you elaborate on "Allah keeps me from wrath for asking you to perform your Salaat.” Exploitation and Corruption

36. Mufaddal stresses to their "slaves" that it is forbidden to collect interest (Riba) by putting your money in an account that earns a financial reward. Well, I would like to know if Mufaddal Saifuddin “practices what he preaches” in regards to his personal finances? Where does he keep the billions of Dollars he has accumulated in the past several decades? Does he store his commodities in the form of cash in his palace or in Swiss Bank accounts earning high rates of interest and in addition, protection from the I.R.S.? Think about it for a minute. With the amount of financial resources at the fingertips of Mufaddal one can wonder about the broad range of investment opportunities available to him. I can undeniably imagine that banks come forward to Syedna begging him to store his enormous wealth in their accounts. Exploitation and Corruption

37. Majority of Bohra women are highly emotional and uneducated and, therefore, are prone to manipulation by Mulla. As a matter of fact because of these fanatic Bohra women, Mufaddal’s Business is booming at very staggering level. Also, mostly men in the Bohra community are very puny and act like sissies in front of Mufaddal and his family. They need to resist Khotar and must do concrete effort for the change. In order to combat the big "Lucifer" and his cabinet, there is no need to live in fear or intimidated by "thug" Shaitanuddin and Company. Ignorance of Bohra Community

38. Typical Bohra Wedding Card written in "Dawat Nee Zabaan" for Bohra slaves imposed by "Burhani Mafia" - It's so funny and it symbolizes Mufaddal Saifuddin as an idol or God that is in need of worship! The wedding cards 5 to 10 years ago were not written to praise Dai like a god. This card is so senseless and made even worse because it is written in "dumb" Gujrati, so called Dawat Nee Zaban. How dumb can the Bohras get by adopting this trash and forgetting the supremacy of Allah? Here it goes: “Syedna Duae Mustajab See Makhsus Chey. Har Majlis Mashhad Ma Dua Na Motiyo Nisar Farmavey Chey. Ye Dua Par Malaikat Amin Boley Chey. Khasatan Ehna Mazahir Zikra Na Khutba Ma Nazar Aaya, Ye Dua Ni Barakat Pehriyo lagan baki rehsay. Haqiqi nemat Hudat- kiraam chey. Ye Hudat Karaam ni zikar haqiqat ma Khuda ni zikar chey. Ye nemato ni zikar har haal ma wajib chey. Ye zikar shukar adaa karwa no bhalo zariya chey. Ehny hurmat si hamari daughter/son---- nee Shadee naseeb thaee chay. Ahma shareek thawa nu aap nay izan araz kariyay chay---Tey kabul farmavi libasul Anwar ma tashrif laavi mamnun kariye--- Every invitation cards/letter have to mentioned Mufaddal Saifuddin’s name and at the end one has to be mentioned as "Abde Syedna" and "Amte Syedna". Shirk---Ghunda Mafia Rule by force of Danda

39. Ashra of Moharram - its festival of joy for Mufaddal and his mafia Kothar - They run around all over the world to make the most money -Where is Mufaddal going to be this year? How insane can a 93 year old person be? He is still meandering all over the world to make fat bucks in the name of Imam Hussain. I know that the fanatical Bohris are willing to scurry about the Earth this Mohrarram in search of Mufaddal. No Muslim leader anywhere in the world makes such vulgar show of his personality as Mufaddal does, by stopping Waiz everywhere and compelling the followers to gather at just one place where he is delivering his sermons. Bohra shop owners are compelled to close down their shops, businessmen to suspend their business and students to miss their classes and exams for 9 days of Moharram and be present in the Masjids to hear Dai's discourses. Crores of rupees are spent on relaying his lackluster Waiz in Bohra-populace all over the world. Bohra men and women kneeling down on the road with folded hands, like a slave, on Dai's arrival and departure, at each time and all places. Dai’s establishment invited media and TV channels personnel with their cameras inside the mosques to cover the occasion and give it as much publicity as possible. The whole atmosphere in the Bohra locality was heavy with the cult and personality of Dai. No one, not even his representatives while sending press release ever talks about the tragedy of Karbala or Teachings of Islam. They only talk about the Burhanuddin, falsely claiming that he is most concerned for Muslims, for love, peace integrity and well-being of every individual in the world. The fact is that Mufaddal is not bothered even about the sufferings of his own followers. He and his establishment leave no occasion to exploit and squeeze money from his followers. Even for his Moharram sermons he charges amounts in crores of rupees as his Salam and then only he agrees to deliver his sermons at a place of his choice. Red carpets are rolled out all over the path for dai as if he were a monarch and not a religious leader. Yadgare Yazidi

40. As RSS (fundamentalist Hindu grassroots organization, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) camp the followers worship weapons like swords and trishool, Dawoodi Bohras worship Syedna and Mufaddal worships power and those who are in power. Why does Mufaddal Saifuddin constantly travel all over the world fervently collecting money from Bohra communities? Shouldn’t he take a break? Moula Money, Moula Money, Moula Money. How much money does “Lalchee” Mufaddal Saifuddin want to collect before he passes on? Isn't the current amount he has sufficient? Sky is the limit

41. As if it is a day of Eid, Bohra happily call the 10th Moharram as Ashara Mubarak and celebrate it with fine colorful dresses as "Women use colorful Ridas - in baby pink, pale green, baby blue, lavender - embroidered with intricate floral patterns, lavish food with chicken biryani, ice-cream and sweets. Why does Bohra Dai made the month of Muharram similar to a circus event where thousands of Bohras follow him around like sheep? Has there ever been a time when Mufaddal's repetitive lackluster lecture has bored you to the point of dozing off for a brief moment? Be honest now! Ah------------- Only power full name is Ya Husain----- Ya Husain, Mumineen Nee Jamaat--------Ah--------Ya Husain----------Ah—Bawajee Saheb Farmaway Chay Su Kaam Fikar Karu Cho, Mey Jannat Ma Laee Jaees.

42. How can Mufaddal Saifuddin claim he is a Dai when he doesn't exhibit any qualities of a Dai? Aren't genuine Dai's suppose to live a life without luxury, numerous quantity of material goods, and reaping a massive amount of money on almost every occasion of his life? Like Guru Rajnesh

43. Why has Syedna developed such a system where we must offer money every time to get permission, for burial purposes, marriage, naming ceremonies, new births, birthdays, and several other "rituals"? It wouldn't shock me if Syedna Mufaddal required us to ask him permission for each time we shit, pee, or engage in sexual activity and don't forget we would have to offer him Salam along the way.

How long Pigs of Qasr-e-Aali and bulldogs of Bait-e-Zaani will suck blood of Bohras???

Joint Declaration:
Members of The Dawoodi Bohra Jamaat, Mumbai, India

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun May 04, 2014 5:56 pm

With reference to the above, let me reproduce a newspaper article which appeared in Kuwait :-

Bohras : Sunni perspective
October 17, 2007
By Ahmad Al-Khaled, Staff Writer

KUWAIT: Sunni cleric Sheikh Mohammad Al-Hamoud, who is a member of the Jamiyat Ahiya Al-Torath, a local Salafist organization, spoke to Kuwait Times about the Bohra religion and some of the practices which separate it from the mainstream Muslim community.

Last week, the Municipality denied a request made by the government on behalf of local Bohras, who number somewhere between 25,000 to 50,000, to be allocated government land to build a house of worship. The request to build a Bohra place of worship raised a controversy, with Islamists arguing that the request should be denied based on the fact that no Kuwaiti nationals were members of the Bohra sect as well as the fact that residents in Ardiya opposed the building in their area. The unspoken reason for the opposition was more than likely based on the fact that local Muslims do not believe Bohras to be a legitimate sect of Islam. Bohras (which is linguistically traced to the Gujarati word meaning 'to trade') have roots in Gujarat , India where they were converts to Ismaili Shiism. In the eleventh and twelfth centuries, they broke from the branch following the Fatimi Tayyibi dawah of Yemen. They then broke into several offshoots on multiple occasions and came to be known as Aliyah Bohras, Dawoodi Bohras, Jafari Bohras and Sulaymani Bohra among others.

Bohras believe in seven pillars of their religion and not the five pillars of Islam which are mentioned in the Holy Quran . The first and most important of their seven pillars is that of walayah, which is love and devotion for Allah, the Prophets, the Imam, and the da'i.

Sunni Muslims do not believe in the worship of any God but Allah and do not call on followers to devote themselves to anyone but Allah. Sheikh Mohammad said the group has historically brought with it "a lot of movement that has harmed Islam in the past and present". "The Ismailia sect, which Muslim scholars believe is a sect which has strayed, believe in an imam who is without sin," he said. This belief is contrary to the belief of Sunni Muslims that only the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sinless. "They believe the imam is a descendant of Imam Ismail bin Jaafar," he added.

Notably, the current da'i or leader of the Dawoodi Bohras, Sayyedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, is 52nd in a long line of da'i mutlaqs which can be translated to 'absolute preacher or summoner'. He is revered for his supposed ancestry and position which is contrary to Sunni beliefs, which do not allow religious reverence for anyone but Allah.

Sheikh Mohammad stated that the Bohras believe, "Whomever does not know the Imam of his time will die as a non-believer and non-Muslim." This belief flies in the face of Sunni Muslim beliefs which do not require reverence for imams or any religious heads as a prerequisite for being a Muslim. "They do not pray in Sunni or Shiite mosques (because) either they do not believe we are Muslims or they do not believe these are legal mosques," the cleric said.

Notably, among differences in Islam and Bohra beliefs is their belief in reincarnation . On Bohra beliefs on reincarnation, Sheikh Mohammad said, "If someone is righteous and he dies, Bohras believes his spirit will live on in another person." As to the possibility of Bohra building a place of worship in Kuwait, Sheikh Mohammad summed up the issue stating: "If these are their beliefs, then we should not help them build a temple because this is opposite to Islam and there are fatwas forbidding this." Specifically, he noted that a fatwa was issued by a religious committee in Saudi Arabia. "Their belief is a mixture of philosophy, interpretations, and Shiite practices," he said.


Huthayif Yusef, a spokesman of the local Bohra community, refused to comment on any of the topics discussed in this article.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun May 04, 2014 6:30 pm

Nafisa wrote:The Dai said: "Khuda Wajebaat Ada Karnar Nay Ghanu Apay ....Ek Na Sitter (70) Apay ...Ek Na Hazar Apay Ghani Anay Ghani Barakat Apay..." I have heard this phrase many times from beggars.
This reminds me of the song from the film 'Dus Lakh'............ Gareebo ki suno, woh tumhari sunega, tum ek paisa donge woh dus lakh denga !!

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Rebel » Sun May 04, 2014 8:34 pm

It all boils down the money and wealth that they want to accumulate for themselves and of course for the dawat which they need to run in so many cities all over the world.
I hardly believe that these mullahs ever feel compassion for the needy and the underprivileged. Although there so many schemes running for the deprived individuals and families would they ever providing adequate support to them?

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Dawoodi bohras on the verge of Dismantling community

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon May 05, 2014 4:12 am

After analyzing all the recent threads and comments from Muffadali side, SKQ sahib side and reformist side, i can clearly see that this community is on the verge of destruction or should i call it self-destruction. Allah (SWT) has nizam (system) for everything in this world nature and up above the skies, you can call this self cleansing going in this shirk and bidat hindu style islamic community. We are slowly and gradually being disgraced and disliked since the demise of SMB (RA) by the other muslimeens. We have reached the heights of disparity among remaining Umma e Muslimeen. We do not pray with them, we do not meet with them, we do not considered them as a brothers or sisters, we always have hatred for them (but love for MODI). Allah (SWT) has cursed our community for following the path of tyrants and sycophants representing a radical islam. We the people are bearing the brunt of what our leaders and his family has endowed upon us.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Mon May 05, 2014 4:38 am

One of my friend a hard core abde who is still a struggler in his business and almost bankrupt still anyhow manages to pay wajebaat more than his capacity believing that this will move him out from the mess and his struggle will come to an end. It happened that one of his friend who is Mulla (got this title after paying few lacs) came to his shop i just asked him innociently despite of paying wajebat more than his capacity why he is still in this position and you know what he said, He said

"This wajebaat which he is paying is giving him barakat in someway or other which he himself is not aware and this also PAAK his wealth because we never know how the money which is lying with us are earned."

And my poor abde friend acknowledge what he said,

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Re: Dawoodi bohras on the verge of Dismantling community

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Unread post by tasneempati » Mon May 05, 2014 5:30 am

Akhtiar Waheed & Shehzaada are lanati Wahabis on this forum.

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Re: Dawoodi bohras on the verge of Dismantling community

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Unread post by Rebel » Mon May 05, 2014 5:50 am

Why do we hate and insult each other so much. What has happened to the tolerance? We must tolerate each others view points without abusing one another although we might have conflicts in our thinking and ideologies. We must find solutions to the problems and act and implement to make the society a better for all so the community can thrive and progress.

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law against misuse of faith

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Sat May 10, 2014 6:54 am

Many of us are helpless against kothar dadagiri and doesn't know what to do and doesn't know any law that can help . and their final weapon against any argument is mola ni khusi and mola ghana naraz thase .
but Indian penal code sec 508 is especially made to protect citizen against these type of religious blackmailing .


There’s a law to check ‘misuse’ of God

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 846256.cms
http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1734694/



please share other laws in different countries that help people to fight against these type of mafias

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Re: law against misuse of faith

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat May 10, 2014 9:22 am

Law is there but then you will not be able to stop the social boycott. Social boycott is what scares people