The state of Bohras today

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Habeel
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Habeel » Sun May 18, 2014 1:01 am

But the real kicker came when I reached an aal'aa daraja in Dawat naa qutub haqiqat - when not once, but repeatedly, we are advised - that when someone questions us, who appears to be more knowledgeable than us, and we don't have the capacity to answer them with our logic and knowledge (aka - brainwashing concepts that we have been fed) then we must say to them "Aa baatil chey, ahno jawaab Pachii milsey, aney ahma Hiqmat chey". They say you must say this to them, and withdraw from the discussion, and that way our imaan is saved and we don't fall under their trap of logical reasoning. They said this is what they are taught in Jameaa Saifiyah.
I think its very valid and neutral answer. It keeps dignity of the teacher. A person who he thinks smarter than him, can argue based on logical reasoning and instead of giving answer based on assumptions and interpretation its better that the person will find answer gradually as the knowledge and wisdom in him will grow by the time and his queries may be answered by experiencing the reality.
In order to support my argument, in Kitaab " Iftetah ud dawah", Imam Hussain Al Mastur while sending his Dai(s) "Ibn Hawsab AKA Syedna Mansur al Yemen" to Yemen, advises the same " if you feel that a person who you think smater than you and if you don't know the answer of his questions tell him that the answer is hidden for the hikmat" and do not indulge in big discussions.
This is by no means to prove that there is no answer. There is an answer and it will be revealed by the fact that my learning more, wisdom increases.

In Nahjul balagah, Maula Ali (Ra) advised to one of his Amil in accordance to discussion with kharjit that not to give arguments based on Qur'an because counter arguments may be given by them. They will not understand the context in which you are representing your point rather they will provide the same arguments with different context and forfeit your arguments. So give the arguments which is based on sunnah and hadith (Rule Based) so that they can't escape.

However today, this neutral tool is misused in order to avoid questions and to control and dominate. The essence of this concept is not realized.
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humanbeing
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun May 18, 2014 4:01 am

Habeel wrote:
"Aa baatil chey, ahno jawaab Pachii milsey, aney ahma Hiqmat chey".
I think its very valid and neutral answer. It keeps dignity of the teacher.
I dont agree to this point of view. Between any two person, be it teacher - student or any two person discussing. If one does not know the answer, one must admit to it and seek an answer rather then lie or give excuses.

This response is a dishonest one !

fustrate_Bohra
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sun May 18, 2014 5:55 am

If you want to hide something will you try to seek answer for that?

simple as that.

alam
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by alam » Sun May 18, 2014 2:48 pm

Habeel wrote:
But the real kicker came when I reached an aal'aa daraja in Dawat naa qutub haqiqat - when not once, but repeatedly, we are advised - that when someone questions us, who appears to be more knowledgeable than us, and we don't have the capacity to answer them with our logic and knowledge (aka - brainwashing concepts that we have been fed) then we must say to them "Aa baatil chey, ahno jawaab Pachii milsey, aney ahma Hiqmat chey". They say you must say this to them, and withdraw from the discussion, and that way our imaan is saved and we don't fall under their trap of logical reasoning. They said this is what they are taught in Jameaa Saifiyah.
I think its very valid and neutral answer. It keeps dignity of the teacher. A person who he thinks smarter than him, can argue based on logical reasoning and instead of giving answer based on assumptions and interpretation its better that the person will find answer gradually as the knowledge and wisdom in him will grow by the time and his queries may be answered by experiencing the reality.
In order to support my argument, in Kitaab " Iftetah ud dawah", Imam Hussain Al Mastur while sending his Dai(s) "Ibn Hawsab AKA Syedna Mansur al Yemen" to Yemen, advises the same " if you feel that a person who you think smater than you and if you don't know the answer of his questions tell him that the answer is hidden for the hikmat" and do not indulge in big discussions.
This is by no means to prove that there is no answer. There is an answer and it will be revealed by the fact that my learning more, wisdom increases.

In Nahjul balagah, Maula Ali (Ra) advised to one of his Amil in accordance to discussion with kharjit that not to give arguments based on Qur'an because counter arguments may be given by them. They will not understand the context in which you are representing your point rather they will provide the same arguments with different context and forfeit your arguments. So give the arguments which is based on sunnah and hadith (Rule Based) so that they can't escape.

However today, this neutral tool is misused in order to avoid questions and to control and dominate. The essence of this concept is not realized.
There is a lot of difference between open, respectful, dialogue, listening and hearing different arguments, POV, types of evidences, etc, and having a attacking-defensive, Demonizing-idolizing, stance during a teacher-student interaction.

The response "Aa baatil chey, ahno jawaab Pachii milsey, aney ahma Hiqmat chey" has become a standard operating strategy to deal with any questions that they don't know, don't have an answer, or do not wish to answer, or they do not wish to concede as a valid question.

The problem is that the regime of Kothar and Jameaa has resorted to mechanics and robotics as a tool toward manipulation, and using Holy Scripture of the Quraan and Hadith as the "letter of the law", rather than the "spirit of the law". They will argue that they use the spirit of of the law, in the "bolta Quraan" argument. It is the excesses and abuses of the system that is problematic and hijacked. The essence of the scripture is lost in the process.

Bohra spring
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun May 18, 2014 3:01 pm

With the events of Nass, the video and all the other issues around the deviant practises ...reformists whether in form of SKQ , PDB or freelance need to factor the majority do not want reforms. So why are we duty bound to try go convince them otherwise .

Even cases where whether be it Saudi or western countries make arrests or cases are filed majority don't care they still believe the practises are legitimate for the long term of their dawat. This is not shaking their faith . Abdes don't see them as victims of kothar .

If they did I don't see uprising or demand for change from internal groups. The excuse of barat as the reason is exaggerated. What abdes fear is they will be denied convenience of tasty meals and a society. They are so "isolated" that the rest of the public and non Bohras are unsociable. In the name of identity and culture they will accept any pressure. They are so reliant on bohra society they are ready to give up fundamental islam.

Habeel
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Habeel » Sun May 18, 2014 9:43 pm

Alam bhai,
I get your point. My intention is to clarify that this is a kind of concept which was also existed before. It is now used for control and domination.

Sheikh Moiz
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Top concern of general bohras

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Unread post by Sheikh Moiz » Sun May 18, 2014 9:52 pm

786

I have been talking with general bohras and found they are least bother about who is dai and who is not, their main concern is Masjid and jamaatkahana, they will be just with that person who holds control over these places, they hardly care about spirituality but their main interest is property owner.

so who ever will have gain on these places will be dai for commoners.


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Re: Top concern of general bohras

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Sun May 18, 2014 10:01 pm

nothing new bro, after demise of Prophet Muhammad(S), majority went with power and money, same thing happening with bohras today.

Mkenya
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Mkenya » Mon May 19, 2014 11:03 pm

Bohra Spring, Sufi Monk, Sheikh Moiz - The underlying message from all of you is the futility of helping where none is sought.
In my posts I have repeatedly emphasised the 'mantra' that the majority of Bohras want to be where they are. Maladministration, coersion, ruthless enforcement of edicts and decrees, are all part and parcel of Kothar. Bohras are impotent to raise any issue with Kothar. While I appreciate that the 'knowers' are and were always aware of such 'mathakut' with Kothar but in the end they got their issues resolved; no doubt under duress.
I have moved on with my life having experienced ruthless and public tongue-lashing. One of Alama Iqbal's 'sher' has always been my guiding beacon and its message has opened a whole new world for me. I fervently hope and pray it is inspirational to you too. May Allah Paak bless you all.

Sitaron Se Agay Jahan Aur Bhi Hain
Abhi Ishq Ke Imtihan Aur Bhi Hain

Other worlds exist beyond the stars
More tests of love are still to come.

Tehi, Zindagi Se Nahin Ye Fazaen
Yahan Saikron Karwan Aur Bhi Hain

This vast space does not lack life
Hundreds of other caravans are here.

Sufi monk
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Tue May 20, 2014 3:58 am

my prayers for every one

Aa Jao Ke Sabh Milke
Rab Se Dua Maangein
Jeevan Mein Sukoon Chahein
Chaahat Mein Ye Waffa Maangein
Haalat Badal Ne Mein
Abh Der Na Ho Maaliq
Jo Dekh Chuke Phir
Ye Andheer Na Ho Maaliq

Ek Tu Hi Bharosa
Ek Tu Hi Sahara
Is Tere Jahan Mein
Nahi Koi Humara
Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata
Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata

Ek Tu Hi Bharosa
Ek Tu Hi Sahara
Is Tere Jahan Mein
Nahi Koi Humara


Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata
Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata...

Humse Na Dekha Jaaye
Barbaadiyon Ka Samaa
Ujadi Hui Basti Mein
Ye Tadap Rahe Insaan

Humse Na Dekha Jaaye
Barbaadiyon Ka Samaa
Ujadi Hui Basti Mein
Ye Tadap Rahe Insaan

Nanhein Jismon Ke Tukadey
Liye Khadi Hai Ek Maa
Barood Ke Dhuey Mein
Tu Hi Bol Jaayein Kahan

Ek Tu Hi Bharosa

Ek Tu Hi Sahara

Is Tere Jahan Mein

Nahi Koi Humara

Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata
Lata/
Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata...

Naadan Hain Hum To Maaliq
Kyoon Di Humein Ye Sazaa
Yahan Hai Sabhi Ke Dil Mein
Nafrat Ka Zaher Bharaa

Naadan Hain Hum To Maaliq
Kyoon Di Humein Ye Sazaa
Yahan Hai Sabhi Ke Dil Mein
Nafrat Ka Zaher Bharaa

Inhein Phir Se Yaad Dila De
Sabak Wohi Pyaar Ka
Ban Jaayein Gulshan Phir Se
Kaaton Bhaari Duniya
Ek Tu Hi Bharosa
Ek Tu Hi Sahara
Is Tere Jahan Mein
Nahi Koi Humara
Kids/
Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata
Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata...

Meri Pukar Sun Le

Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata

Hey Ishwar, Ya Allah

Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata

Meri Pukar Sun Le

Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata

Meri Pukar Sun Le

Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata

Meri Pukar Sun Le

Ishwar Ya Allah
Ye Pukar Sun Le
Ishwar Ya Allah
Hey Daata...

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Akhtiar Wahid
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Frustrated with this family Politics

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue May 20, 2014 10:36 am

Asalaam'alykum,

It is high time that we as followers of Allah(SWT), holy book Quran, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), Imam Ali (AS), Ahle-bayt, Imams and righful Dai duats. We should stop being humiliated and insulted every time. These few namesake holy men covered in white drapes and look perfect attire have taken us for granted. We are being called to Mosque (house of Allah (SWT)), and our compelled to surrender and give allegiance to a normal mortal being.
This family politics has ruined the very core of the community welfare and love for religion, it has made us a laughing stock and weak aqeeda Muslimeen.

Rebel
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Rebel » Tue May 20, 2014 1:28 pm

Agree, it has become a cult in which a central human figure is being considered god and he only has the power to take us to heaven irrespective of how you act and live in our life. If you worship Dai then you have the ticket to heaven.
All these divisions of whole Dawoodi Bohra into so many subdivisions sulemani, kutbi, alvi etc is because of political and monetary reasons nothing spiritual.

yuzarsif
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Wed May 21, 2014 2:49 am

SMS said in zikra wahez that , if you love SMB he will directly take you to Jannat. not to worry about Qayamat. does any one have any worry ? ...don't worry at all...
and people started chanting "Moula Moula Mufaddal Moula"...

yuzarsif
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Wed May 21, 2014 3:24 am

As per Quran : Image
As per SMS : Those who love Dai (SMB and SMS ) , and it is those( abde ) who are successful !

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Wed May 21, 2014 3:42 am

jhahil abdes have failed in this world, and if they don't amend their ways of life they might also fail in aakhirah.

and its not really happy situation for any one, because we all have close friends and close relatives who are engaged in all this jahalat.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Wed May 21, 2014 5:13 am

The Heart of Muslemeen:
Image
and Heart of Abde Bohra.
Image

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Wed May 21, 2014 6:11 am

Salaam yusuf, are you graphic designer?

yuzarsif
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Wed May 21, 2014 6:35 am

Sufi monk wrote:Salaam yusuf, are you graphic designer?
Walekum As Salaam
No

ghulam muhammed
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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed May 21, 2014 6:55 pm

A very interesting article which appeared on this forum some time back aptly describes "The State of Bohras Today" :-


Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohraism ?

The pertinent question which is on every sane and rational thinking bohra's mind is "Why is the dai absolved of all the evils perpetrated in the community by his administration and in particular by his sons" ? Although the average bohra is quite aware of the mass extortion, coercion tactics, unislamic practices and hoarding of illgotten wealth by none other then the dai's own sons but still he/she restrains from implicating the leader itself. In a battlefield the Army General is the one who recieves accolades for the good performance of his soldiers and is also the one who recieves brickbats in case of a defeat, the same is the case with any ruling party of a country or corporates where the head honcho is always at the recieving end. But surprisingly such is not the case when it comes to bohras and its leader.

In order to understand the reasons behind such behaviour we need to deeply analyse the life of an average bohra. We also need to understand that "Psychology" is a tool which is used rampantly by the ruling class in every sphere of life to manipulate and rule over the masses and in case of bohras we need to give due (dis)credit to the dai and his zaadas for playing the psychology game at its best. The dai and his zaadas are master psychologists who meticulously manipulate the psyche of bohras and succeed in keeping them under their thumb.

This mental manipulation starts from the childhood itself in which not only the zaadas but even the elders of bohra families play a very important role. Right from childhood the focal point is the dai as the child sees nothing but only the dai everywhere around him. He sees the walls covered with multiple photographs of the dai which are placed in all shapes and sizes and in every possible corner of his house. How many bohras hang a photo of the Kaaba or the Roza Mubarak of Prophet (s.a.w.) on their walls ? It is practically zero and the very few that one sees is hanged in a remote corner of the bohra house. The child is trained to always kiss the dai's photo before leaving the house or before appearing for an exam, here the Kaaba, Prophet (s.a.w.) and above all Allah (swt) is totally absent. In the past one could witness children standing in queue at the entrance of raudat tahera in the morning with folded hands and a pen/pencil which was brought for the dai's "Phook" with a belief that the phook will help them in passing their exams rather then praying to Allah (swt) for the same. At home whenever the child misbehaved he was told that 'mola paap karse', it was never 'Allah (swt) paap kar se". The child sees the elders going more often to saifee/badri mahal for mola's deedar then he sees them going to masjids for prayers and even in prayers he sees that more importance is given to the 'mola ni namaz' rather then a jumma prayer. Hence the importance of the dai above Prophet (s.a.w.), Panjatan pak (a.s.) and even Allah (swt) is thrust in the minds of a bohra right from childhood itself and it is a known fact that childhood memories and events are hard to erase.

By the time a bohra reaches puberty he is totally brainwashed by the 'Dai phobia' which he carries even further in his youth. The youth is now made aware of the compulsory namaz, roza and zakat which he then dedicates to none other then the dai as he is more keen of 'mola ni namaz' and 'mola ne wajebat aapvi' as the true reasons as prescribed in Islam are unkown to him. He is more keen on going for a pilgrimage to Raudat tahera, Ahmedabad, Galiakot, Surat, Yemen and Burhanpur rozas rather then Madina Munawwara as he is not shown the great importance of Prophet (s.a.w.) as there were hardly any talk of the Prophet (s.a.w.) in the house as the talks are full of the dai and his various trips and his so called mojizas.

A marriage also doesnt change his thinking because his other half too is another brainwashed woman who has undergone the same psychological manipulation in her life. Hence it is now "Aavo bhai Harka, apne beve Sarka". Moreover he is now fully occupied in business/work and has hardly any time to think about Allah (swt), Prophet (s.a.w.) and the true Islam and any effort in doing so could create a rift with his wife who is now extrtemely busy in her sitabis, burhani womens, amatullah guards etc. Hence it now becomes more or less a religion of convenience. There is also a huge icing on the cake by way of a "Guaranteed" place in Jannat by his cult leader so why should he bother ?

As age catches up and even if the thought of a true Islam now enters his mind he shuns off the idea as he has to marry off his own children and his surroundings never permit him to choose a partner for his children from any other community except Bohras and hence the bohra way once again becomes a religion of convenience for him. His energy is then diverted more towards acquiring the title of 'Mulla' and 'Sheikh' rather then exploring the true Islam as he finds mental solace in it and the titles also provide him a sense of importance in his circle which is obviously the foot licking abdes.

Even if the issues of evils in bohraism and the dai occurs to him in his old age he is then too weak and dependant on his children whom he himself has brain washed into accepting the bohra fold as the only way of life and path towards Allah (swt) and who in turn have become diehard abdes by virtue of which he is scared of being vehemently opposed by his own near and dear ones. Hence he once again drops the idea of exploring the true Islam as bohraism again comes handy and a religion of convenience. He takes solace in the ruku chithi issued by the dai which assures him of an unhindered entry to Jannat and is also scared of the idea of being buried in a non bohra kabrastan which could prevent him into entering Jannat. This way he leaves the world without opposing the dai and understanding the true message of Allah (swt).

The other reason for the clean chit given to the dai is that he is seen as a fragile old man who is soft in approach, he doesnt have a wardrobe full of designer clothes, he eats very little food which is simple at times hence the average bohra gets the feeling that the dai himself doesnt crave for wealth. What the bohra fails to understand is that his clothing is restricted to a white robe because that is is the way he carries his identity, no crooked baba wears colorful clothes and they too are restricted to either a white or a safrron robe to create a simple and down to earth identity for themselves. What bohras fail to understand is that his diet is restricted and simple due to his old age as rich food is unhealthy for him but then why does he not prohibit 7 kharas and 7 mithas with chilled pepsi in ziafats ? He is soft spoken so are the mafia leaders, the sicilian clan and corrupt politicians. Has anyone seen the most corrupt leader Sharad Pawar ever losing his cool ? He is always suave and soft in all his interviews and he too adorns a pure and crispy white attire inspite of being the richest politician of India. He too doesnt feast on lucknowi kebabs on a daily basis. Regarding old age and fragile health, will people ever change their opinion of Dawood Ibrahim when he grows old and forget about his extortions and killings ? Allah (swt) doesnt see the age of a person when He punishes the sinners, old age is no excuse for any crimes especially when commited in His (swt) name. Regarding amassing mass wealth even after getting old, one should not forget that money is THE most important factor for acquiring power. Money brings power and it is the lust for power which compels the people in power to amass more wealth in order to retain their grip on the masses. Sharad Pawar has only one daughter and no sons and he has the money which could last another 10 generations but still he craves for more as he doesnt want to lose power. "Sharab ek bura nasha hai, usse bhi bura hai daulat ka nasha aur usse bura hai "satta ka nasha".

There is another reason which may be rubbished by many but even then lets examine that too. It so happened that once when a bohra raised this issue with a very senior amil he came up with a different reason which was that the mafias in saifee/badri mahal indulge in black magic and for which they also take help of many babas and tantriks, the zaadas themselves are highly qualified in witchcraft which they have learnt in Yemen and surprisingly Yemen is a major hub of black magic and witchcraft. They indulge in something similar to "Mass Hypnotism", a method which is used by the likes of Aasaram bapu, Sri sri ravishankar and the late Bhagwan Rajneesh to control and manipulate their followers. The amil also stated that a spell was caste even on the mazun due to which his health deteriorated and he was totally sidelined and brought down to a condition wherein he could not raise his voice even during the recent 'Nass' on Muffy. When that bohra refused to accept his argument he said that there is and always will be Good and Evil in this universe, as one couldnt deny the presence of Allah (swt) so couldnt one deny the presence of Shaitan in this universe. He said Allah (swt) has His ways and so does Shaitan.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed May 21, 2014 9:21 pm

GM-very informative and thought provoking article.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Wed May 21, 2014 9:30 pm

one thing really good happened by this court case, my mom is no more brain washed amte, now she thinks rationally and dont run to masjid all day and night, she even told me her faith is in Islam and Prophet, but also respected SMB dearly, but now she is not very attached with any one any more, she prays namaaz but no more mola mola 24/7.

she also says we are born in this community so do keep contact with all , but do what ever is right thing to do, and just don't follow blindly.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by Rebel » Thu May 22, 2014 1:22 am

Wow, that nice, your mom has set a good example, otherwise, many of us have to bow down because of our parents. Many of older parents are very attached to the system.

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New gimmick/shenanigan - Imtehan for all mumineen and mumena

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Unread post by wise_guy » Thu May 22, 2014 10:27 am

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Re: New gimmick/shenanigan - Imtehan for all mumineen and mu

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Thu May 22, 2014 10:52 am

I am pretty sure muffy himself cant pass this exams LOL

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Re: New gimmick/shenanigan - Imtehan for all mumineen and mu

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Unread post by Haqq_Prevails » Thu May 22, 2014 5:06 pm

Sufi monk wrote:I am pretty sure muffy himself cant pass this exams LOL
The only test I want Muffy to pass is speak ten complete sentences on any topic in an intelligent manner without READING it from a script!!!!!!
Okay, Let's drop the requirement of "intelligent manner", Can you do it Muffy?

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what religion is this ?????

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Unread post by Saiyaad » Thu May 22, 2014 9:43 pm

Can anyone please explain if this is real Haq na saheb kind of behaviour in great religion like Islam or is this Human worshipping Cults.
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Re: what religion is this ?????

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Fri May 23, 2014 1:37 am

Saiyaad wrote:Can anyone please explain if this is real Haq na saheb kind of behaviour in great religion like Islam or is this Human worshipping Cults.
Remind me of Ganpati Arti in Mumbai.

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 23, 2014 5:04 pm

Saiyaad wrote:Can anyone please explain if this is real Haq na saheb kind of behaviour in great religion like Islam or is this Human worshipping Cults.
Have you seen the movie "The Ten Commandments" ? There is scene in the latter part of the movie wherein a golden calf is raised by some unbelievers and the flock dances around it, worshipping the calf. :mrgreen:

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Re: The state of Bohras today

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Unread post by AMAFHH » Sat May 24, 2014 3:21 am

Aam Rehbar (leader ) aur Ilahi Rahbar (Leader ) me kia Farq hai??
Aam Rehbar wo hota he jissy Hawas e Iqtedar (Rule Karna) hota he jo apni qoum (Community) ki Falah ke liye kaam karta he Maslan Ghar bnwana , Khana (Tiffin) Farahm krna , Tax le kar Development Karna , Rozgaar Farahm krana aur apne Khas bando k Jurm (Corruption) pe Parda dalna ya unhen jail se azad krwana aur istarah k chotay motay kam krna
Jab k Elahi Rahbar wo hota he jo Qoumon ko Taghooton (Zaalim Hakimo ) se Nijaat dilata he, Faqatt Falah o Behboodi ki bajaye Unki Hidayat k Mutalliq Fikr mand hota he ,isse liye hum dekhtey hen k hr nabi a.s ne apne waqt k Taghoot (Zaalimo ) k khelaf qiyam kia aur qoumon ko nijaat dilai
lekin hamey ye sochna hoga ke hum ks rehabr k peche chal rahey hen??