How to do Mola ma araz?

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bohrabai
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How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by bohrabai » Wed May 07, 2014 2:42 pm

Can anyone explain the procedure to do "Mola ma araz" without using the ejamat id or the online facility?

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed May 07, 2014 3:28 pm

bohrabai wrote:Can anyone explain the procedure to do "Mola ma araz" without using the ejamat id or the online facility?
yes there are several procedures:

1. please send your arzi to me with a salaam of $552. i reside in saifee mahal and will take it to 'mola'.
2. go physically to the gates of saifee mahal and request 'mola ma araz'. make sure to quote my name.
3. get a temporary ejamat card from your local jamaat by greasing the palms of the amil and secretary.

all the best!

bohrabai
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by bohrabai » Wed May 07, 2014 4:19 pm

Thanks, please send me your address but I will only pay 52 rs for the arzi, is that OK?

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed May 07, 2014 4:23 pm

bohrabai wrote:Thanks, please send me your address but I will only pay 52 rs for the arzi, is that OK?
write to me c/o this forum. if you have money problem, let me know and i will send you 552 rs instead. i know a benevolent mola

bohrabai
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by bohrabai » Wed May 07, 2014 4:41 pm

No it is a secret matter . I cant write in public and cannot disclose in public. Also if you can give 552 rs from mola hands please do give me.

AgnosticIndian
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Wed May 07, 2014 10:43 pm

Which Moula?? There are two contenders

think_for_yourself
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Wed May 07, 2014 10:54 pm

http://fatemidawat.com/contact/
You can do your Arzi on the above form, or request to meet the one and only true Moula and do your Arzi in person. No ejamaat id required.

true_bohra
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by true_bohra » Thu May 08, 2014 1:29 am

think_for_yourself wrote:http://fatemidawat.com/contact/
You can do your Arzi on the above form, or request to meet the one and only true Moula and do your Arzi in person. No ejamaat id required.
True Maula :? :?

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu May 08, 2014 1:33 am

hello TB. if he is not true moula --no problem. can u tell how to do arazi to ur true moula?
is he accessible to anyone from normal people?
can we do arazi to him wihout any contact or influence and importantly money?

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu May 08, 2014 1:56 am

bohrabai wrote:Can anyone explain the procedure to do "Mola ma araz" without using the ejamat id or the online facility?

Is this a joke ? What insanity would motivate anyone to do ARZI to SKQ or SMS ?

What do you expect ARZI will solve ? Why are Bohras so dependent on ARZI to do anything ?

Why can they not choose their own options for name or decision in life

bohrabai
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by bohrabai » Thu May 08, 2014 1:58 am

The arazi is about secret matter , this araji should be done to both the dawedar which will help to judge who is on truth. It may also happen both the dawedar may fail the test. In which case what to do?

bohrabai
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by bohrabai » Thu May 08, 2014 2:03 am

I also request members here to do secret araz to both dawedar for testing purpose , devise your own instrument of testing in the form of an arazi which will help to distinguish the false from the truth. My only concern is that both dawedar could fail the test, in which case it would be earth shattering leaving no option but to exit the bohra belief fold.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu May 08, 2014 3:49 am

i agree, arzi does not solve any problem.
i was just arguing that we can do arazi to skq and get a reply--to beleive in the reply or not is at ur discreetion.
but with ms, it is not even to possible to do that. normal guys cannot even approach him directly.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by true_bohra » Thu May 08, 2014 5:53 am

@mamajiwala:'

I think you have never done arzi...if you want to do arzi and if you have ITS, then just log on to www.hawaij.org

If you are not an ITS holder then just write your araz and send it to Mumbai or wherever Huzur Aala TUS is and put your mobile number, you will get your reply through SMS.

No need to bring money and influential people into this and exaggerate a simple issue.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu May 08, 2014 6:02 am

this is naviety at its best TB.
i have its no. and done thru hawaij.org---no reply
dont araz thru local aamil--first of all he asked many questions, why do u want to do this. is maula free for u only?
then he said ok, clear all ur dues first---now how this is related to that--i cant undertand. he said u do not pay taboodaat hoob, ramazan hoob, ashara hoob so how will u get barkat and then u come to me for arazi.
i said i never attend taboodat and dont come in the evening prayer for ramazan and also jaman. only in fajar and sometime on holiday for zohar asr--so for that also hoob and masalla rakam is compulosry?
as for asahara i come only for one day, and for that day alag si niyaz in rakam levama aave che for which i have paid.
aamil said nothing doing--first bring clearance from office, then we can proceed with ur arazi.
this is first hand experience approx 2 and half yrs back.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Thu May 08, 2014 9:21 am

Anyone believing that an email sent via hawaij or arzi done via any other electronic means reaches the Dai is fooling himself/herself.

The only way to make sure that the Dai hears your arzi is doing it personally. And for that you need... you know what.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu May 08, 2014 9:39 am

Every Ramazan and Muharram, there are khidmatguzaar standing at desk placed near the entrance to markaz. Holding a paper and pen or laptop calling out to people to do Dua-ni-araz, when one goes to them to get their names listed on Dua-ni-araz, they charge 250 fils.

I once asked one khidmat guzar, how much does it cost to communicate the list of people to hazarat imamiya. He said nothing. This list is emailed to them. So I asked why do you charge 250 fils for nothing ? well all he could come up with is a sheepish smile and an opportunity to excuse himself. While I laughed my way inside the markaz to grab my masalla space !

I watched silly abdes enrolling their names for Dua-ni-araz everyday with amusement.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Mazakyo » Thu May 08, 2014 10:09 am

true_bohra wrote:@mamajiwala:'

I think you have never done arzi...if you want to do arzi and if you have ITS, then just log on to http://www.hawaij.org

If you are not an ITS holder then just write your araz and send it to Mumbai or wherever Huzur Aala TUS is and put your mobile number, you will get your reply through SMS.

No need to bring money and influential people into this and exaggerate a simple issue.
True_Bohra you should rename your self as True_ Ch*****. There are thousands of Arzis coming in everyday. And you think SMS sits down reads and responds to them ?? There are standard answers to these arzis and the Mullas from the vizarat send the replies. Barey saheb ko arzi karni hai to lamba maal kharachna parta hai. Sirjee kis dunya mein rahtey ho ???

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by true_bohra » Thu May 08, 2014 10:12 am

did I say that Syedna answers them all. Better read first...

yes there is a panel who takes all this matters...and yes there is anything serious and requires immediate action then the matters are also bought to Syedna TUS for his reply.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Thu May 08, 2014 10:24 am

TB

What constitutes frivolous vs serious.

I would be very careful asking any serious matters like medical etc to Sh Mufaddal bs. He thinks Dr. don't know anything.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Rebel » Thu May 08, 2014 2:17 pm

It is a good news that http://www.hawaij.org/ is working as it was disabled sometime back and people had to go Amil of that Mohalla, perform salaams to him, request him to write arzi in dawat language (lisan ul dawat) and than amil will send it to be answered by I believe some Jamia members well versed in Ismaili Juresprudence as it is logically impossible for MS or earlier MB to answer so many arzis on daily basis.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Mazakyo » Thu May 08, 2014 8:00 pm

true_bohra wrote:did I say that Syedna answers them all. Better read first...

yes there is a panel who takes all this matters...and yes there is anything serious and requires immediate action then the matters are also bought to Syedna TUS for his reply.
Then Doing Araz in Moula is misleading if some Mulla is answering your arzi. Why not do arzi to anyone who you think is knowledgeable and deendar?

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by seeker110 » Thu May 08, 2014 8:35 pm

If Moula is all knowing than the faithless need to remind him. Believers all ready know, he knows. The greasy spoon should do the rest of the trick.

bohrabai
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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by bohrabai » Fri May 09, 2014 1:15 am

My purpose was to use anonymous araz as a tool to expose bohra clergy.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Fri May 09, 2014 4:09 am

bohrabai wrote:My purpose was to use anonymous araz as a tool to expose bohra clergy.
Haha they won't entertain.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by TheLiberatedOne » Sun May 11, 2014 2:36 am

Mazakyo wrote:
true_bohra wrote:did I say that Syedna answers them all. Better read first...

yes there is a panel who takes all this matters...and yes there is anything serious and requires immediate action then the matters are also bought to Syedna TUS for his reply.
Then Doing Araz in Moula is misleading if some Mulla is answering your arzi. Why not do arzi to anyone who you think is knowledgeable and deendar?
Because as per them, the Mullas are representative of Moula and are working on their behalf... and are assumed to have the same authority / knowledge as the Dai does!

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Rebel » Sun May 11, 2014 2:25 pm

We do arzi because we are blind and ignorant to the core. We all know that MB, MS or KQ have no time to even glance through these requests but we still send them arzis. Most of these are answered by Mullahs are receive the email...as someone correctly mentioned mullahs are acting on Dai's authority so have the blessings to answer the arzi and create as much havoc in our lives as possible.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sun May 11, 2014 2:57 pm

As with everyond else once upon a time i use to do many Arz for raza & doa. Once my eyes opened, i saw the amount of loss ive made in my business taking these Razas on multiple occassions.

But then Raza no silsilo is still on with me as my family, partners all staunch,fanatical,blind followers. Just recently i made another loss because of this Raza thingy

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by Rebel » Sun May 11, 2014 5:20 pm

So you need to devise a strategy to ensure that in future you do not recur losses, stop sending arzis and implement your business using a better methodology to gain a competitive advantage over others. While others are waiting for their razas you complete your business deals and make profit out of it.

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Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Mon May 12, 2014 4:10 am

AgnosticIndian wrote:As with everyond else once upon a time i use to do many Arz for raza & doa. Once my eyes opened, i saw the amount of loss ive made in my business taking these Razas on multiple occassions.

But then Raza no silsilo is still on with me as my family, partners all staunch,fanatical,blind followers. Just recently i made another loss because of this Raza thingy
Raza cannot be blame for Loss Or profit in anything, the only thing to be blamed is ourself because it is we who make decisions and work accordingly.
Raza does not give us special power or make us more wisdom or intellectual in decision making.

Infact we should have more confidence in our experiences rather than others (who gave us raza) and above all have faith in Allah.