Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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true_bohra
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Re: BOHRA'S RAMZAN

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:19 am

Take a chill pill bro....

and no body force you to do salams on every washeq night, and if mulla saheb is doing nafarmani and eating something else then confront him and ask...

people have guts to create a thread on this forum but not to go and ask mulla saheb that why is he eating any khaaras...

so as of now chill and welcome the holy month with fresh and pure spirit.

Qureshi
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Re: BOHRA'S RAMZAN

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Unread post by Qureshi » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:31 am

if amil is eating kharas he is not doing any crime and there is no reason to abuse for such small thing, but yes momeenin should also be given freedom to break fast with at least food of their choice so that they feel better for next rozas, and the spirit of Ramadan remains fresh.

zinger
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Re: BOHRA'S RAMZAN

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Unread post by zinger » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:47 am

Qureshi. i guess you missed the spirit of my message.

Anyways, Ramzan Mubarak to you and all at home

ghulam muhammed
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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:16 pm

watsup msg :

Sorry to say our community has gone really way out of all basics. In Sattad there is a process of registration for namaz which is then allocated for fast movement and smooth functioning. The worse is the method of allocation which is by categories of all families starting from A to E. Where A is the best and E is the worst and these categories are decided based on how much amount you pay them as per your old record. In a way the place for namaz is decided and given by payments...... sorry to say this is not Islam. Some people go daily all 3times be it Ramzan or no Ramzan but are not given place in Masjid as they do not pay as per the desired limits set for the categories.

saminaben
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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by saminaben » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:22 pm

Litmus Test Formula for calculating wajebaat to be given to dawaedaar SMS via Dawat e e Hadiyah

The expectation is to give same amount last year, or more. Correct?

Ask yourself, and your husband/wife,
1. how much your faith and sense of spirituality is, as compared to last year.
2. How much you have suffered as a result of the succession dispute.
3. How has your faith and imaan improved and strengthened this past year.
4. And how much SMS and the current leadership has contributed to the decline in your faith.

Based on that here is an example from last year:
Wajebaat amount given = 100 (whatever currency)
Faith in SMB assume to be 100%
No problem here.

This year if your faith in the current claimant of Daiship has been declined in anyway, if your suffering and turmoil has increased, due to spiritual reasons or pressures on finances, family, fear, etcs, then adjust the Percentage accordingly in decline to your LOSS in faith.

This is just my way of building a case for myself for reduced dues for wajebaat. Surely, in all fairness, we ought to consider the dues we must pay for our desire to "just belong socially as a Dawoodi Bohra", if that is indeed what we chose to do.

But don't unnecessarily feel morally obligated and fool yourself into thinking you are paying zakaat to those who have hijacked your faith, and continue to bully you fear of Allah's wrath.

Pay wajebaat in direct formula to your faith and benefits, no more - no less.

ghulam muhammed
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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:32 pm

Saminaben,

If people apply your logic then MS will have to pay wajebat to Bohras instead of the other way round ! :mrgreen:

saminaben
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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by saminaben » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:02 pm

GM BHAI,
I wasn't thinking along those lines, but I get your point. I'm really just wanting to stay true to myself and really Question everything I do. Instead of just reacting as a robot, or doing things out of fear.

Whereas in the not so distant past, I willingly wanted to give more and more, as my faith seemed to get stronger and stronger. Now I feel so betrayed, and realize how much of a monkey they made out of me. :(

I hope people really take the formula into consideration, before being on auto pilot.

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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:18 pm

saminaben wrote:Now I feel so betrayed, and realize how much of a monkey they made out of me.
I hope others too feel the same and stop submitting to their unethical demands.

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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:56 pm

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Ramzan collection people now taking legal action

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:30 am

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Godhra incident

salaar
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Re: Ramzan collection people now taking legal action

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Unread post by salaar » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:42 am

Pls see that there are so many who cannot read Gujarati therefore we would appreciate if sender give a brief translation.

bohrabhai
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Re: Ramzan collection people now taking legal action

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:08 am

One person went for zakat submission in godhra gujarat .and aamil told him that u have sign against kothar in bank employees human right violation case u have to pay 152000 instead 11000 rupees .abd they threatened him for life . So he file compliant against them

AliHaq
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Re: Ramzan collection people now taking legal action

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Unread post by AliHaq » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:52 am

file such cases in almost all cities and towns.

salaar
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Re: Ramzan collection people now taking legal action

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Unread post by salaar » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:34 pm

Thnx I appreciate the translation

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Re: Ramzan collection people now taking legal action

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Unread post by Truth-Prevails » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:52 am

It seems that Shz MS and Kothar are now taking zakaat in different entities than before. He is siphoning money into trusts that he will control even after he is proved to be the false claimant.

One brave soul has taken on the Kolkata Jamaat. The Aamil is instructing people to deposit vajebaat in a local trust account and not the Dawat Hadiyah main trust which has the Dai al-Mutlaq as sole trustee.
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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:00 pm

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One more complaint

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Re: BOHRA'S RAMZAN

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Unread post by actual_progressive » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:44 am

true_bohra wrote:Take a chill pill bro....

and no body force you to do salams on every washeq night, and if mulla saheb is doing nafarmani and eating something else then confront him and ask...

people have guts to create a thread on this forum but not to go and ask mulla saheb that why is he eating any khaaras...

so as of now chill and welcome the holy month with fresh and pure spirit.
I have written so many points and why you have just picked up point which is not related to money.I ahve seen you just keep mum on money matters,Why it is so? Just take topic away from it or disappear from discussion
My Brother they are forcing in our Masjid to do salam. 4 to 5 ( Najva, Silatul imam, qarde hasaa, _ faid ul mawid ect.. ect..)envelops given to all and coming every massala for collecting all

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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:49 am

My Brother they are forcing in our Masjid to do salam. 4 to 5 ( Najva, Silatul imam, qarde hasaa, _ faid ul mawid ect.. ect..)envelops given to all and coming every massala for collecting all
Brother Fill it with MONOPOLY MONEY and ask your friends and relatives to do the same..

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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:20 am

SBM wrote:
My Brother they are forcing in our Masjid to do salam. 4 to 5 ( Najva, Silatul imam, qarde hasaa, _ faid ul mawid ect.. ect..)envelops given to all and coming every massala for collecting all
Brother Fill it with MONOPOLY MONEY and ask your friends and relatives to do the same..
Actually SBM bhai, that would be wrong. I would rather say that people should grow a spine and say NO. Although your idea seems good for those people who do not want to take "panga" with the clergy :mrgreen:

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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:47 am

SBM wrote:
My Brother they are forcing in our Masjid to do salam. 4 to 5 ( Najva, Silatul imam, qarde hasaa, _ faid ul mawid ect.. ect..)envelops given to all and coming every massala for collecting all
Brother Fill it with MONOPOLY MONEY and ask your friends and relatives to do the same..
Give Ghaib Money... in the enevelope

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Re: Ramzan: Early collection this year (1435)

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:24 am

humanbeing wrote:
SBM wrote: Brother Fill it with MONOPOLY MONEY and ask your friends and relatives to do the same..
Give Ghaib Money... in the enevelope
too good :lol: :lol: :lol: