If DB is really Haq ni Dawat then why don't they spread it?

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Peace
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If DB is really Haq ni Dawat then why don't they spread it?

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Unread post by Peace » Sun May 18, 2014 8:12 am

DB says a lot that they are right and they are on Haq so I have a very basic question that if Dawoodi Bohra is really Haq ni Dawat then why don't they spread it to other Muslims and Non Muslims?


And spreading Allah's deen is so important and noble deed. I think nobody will disagree on this.

Look at other Muslims how they are spreading Islam by doing Dawah and people are coming towards Islam.

Note: I have not created this thread to mock, ridicule, and unnecessary responses. Please refrain from this thread if you have this objective.

Please be polite and give rational arguments. Thank you.


May Allah SWT guide us and keep us on Siraat-e-Mustaqeem. Ameen.



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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun May 18, 2014 8:34 am

During the Imam-in-seclusion, Bohra Dai is instructed not to spread Islam and take care of the Bohra Fold un til Imam comes out from seclusion. Such an event will also happen, when the Bohra Dai will indentify the True Imam.



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Unread post by yuzarsif » Mon May 19, 2014 12:14 am

Aap kuch logo ko bewaqoof bana sakte ho..saari duniya ko nahi...



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Unread post by humanbeing » Mon May 19, 2014 6:07 am

yuzarsif wrote:Aap kuch logo ko bewaqoof bana sakte ho..saari duniya ko nahi...
Well bohra dai is fooling the whole world !



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#5

Unread post by Peace » Mon May 19, 2014 7:51 am

Dear badrijanab,

Your response will be most welcomed.

Or any knowledgeable member.

If you really have good answer for above question.

Thanks.



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#6

Unread post by salaar » Mon May 19, 2014 3:12 pm

when Allah subhanaho send 124000 anbia to propagate and spread his dawat, was it difficult to continue that series couldnt he keep sending more anbia for more conversion but it was not in his masheeyat, the tableegh ended with Mohammad Mustafa s.a.w.w. after that Allah never left insaan without connection in the form of Imam and in satar Daiuz zaman but their job was not tableegh but to upkeep kalema e haq, they were always there to guide the safinatul nijaat in good times and bad times, now since Allah has stopped sending anbia for conveying his message and all what he wanted us to know has been delivered with the last and most important part that is MAN KUNTO MOULAHO FAHAZA ALIYN MOULA, the paigham has been given and completed, it is however the duty of every responsible muslim to assisst his fellow beings and keep doing good things for the welfare of mankind, moulvis mistook it and consider that tableegh is their job, i again question was there any shortage in Allahs darbar to keep sending more anbias for every period NO but it is masheeyat e Illahiya, this is our core belief we dont believe on any conversion programmes after akhri nabi e martabat and only assist those who seek ilm e aal e Mohammad to excel in their thirst for this ilm. rest is all biddat and drama for the sake of power and wealth.



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#7

Unread post by Peace » Tue May 20, 2014 11:06 am

In my understanding Prophets came not only to spread Islam but also to complete Allah's Deen, and that's done when final Prophet Muhammad PBUH came.

As you might know and if I'm not wrong as per DBs beliefs Imams are Masoom and Dai (who invite/call towards Allah's way) is Kal Masoom and they know Quran's Zahir and Taweel, Haqiqat, Daqiqat and etc etc. Still not allowed to spread Islam?


And how do you know that it's Allah SWT mashiyat to not spread Islam by Imams and Dais?

Are all Bohras born bohras? if we look from when Dawat transferred from Yemen to India.

Did Ali A.S. tell whole ummah that he is the true successor after Prophet Muhammad PBUH and 1st is not the successor? so that everyone know that everyone has to follow him in order to get salvation. Do you know any riwayat where Ali A.S. made this claim about succession?
Like what we are currently seeing in DBs about the next Dai.


Note: Whatever is written is my personal views May Allah SWT guide us and keep us on Siraat-e-Mustaqeem. Ameen



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#8

Unread post by Rebel » Tue May 20, 2014 11:57 am

DB is absolutely NOT Haq ni Dawat...It is a cult to oppress and create inequality among their followers. The Kothar and co. creates more hatred with other Muslimeens and brain wash the members that they are the superior to anyone on earth and heaven. Look at there practices and rituals. Several of there practices are totally off the Islamic practices and even against Islam. Look at the money extortion methods they implement.
All religious denominations need money and request their followers to donate but the kothar extort and force people to give them money and use 80% of that money for their benefit and return 20% to people in form of musawat and running masjids etc. Do you feel where injustice, inequality, hatred and oppression is practiced, is that Haq ni Dawat. DO you feel that kothar who considers the followers to be there ghulams as Haq ni Dawat. Look at businesses and financial empire Dai and his family has created from our hard earned money. Any human with a rational and empirical thinking would not consider this as Haq ni dawat. We would rather call them loot mar ni dawat or lootera ni dawat.



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#9

Unread post by salaar » Tue May 20, 2014 3:31 pm

dont divert the topic you are going off the course, we have to give our view point on why there is no tableegh in Dawat, and as earlier said Allah Subhanaho send the nabi akhiruz zama and with that tableegh completed, as far as Maula Alis ilm is concerned havent you heard the kalam when Maula says ask me before i pass away from this world and i have all the ilm of duniya and aakhirat in my chest, you might not be well aware with the roads in this world as much as iam aware with the roads of jannat, and so on, secondly you are comparing Ali with whom, think what you are saying dont you know when khalid bin walid was ready to hit Ali on the instruction of umer and Ali grabbed khalid with his collar and said Khalid you are in fire you wish to kill me and in fear of Ali he urinated in his clothes, umer said pointing towards qabar e rasool that give Ali the vasila of the sahib e qabar he did that and Ali let him go. anyway there are so many things coming in my mind but cutting short Dawat is completed tableegh is done now its the time for exams the teacher has done their job.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue May 20, 2014 5:00 pm

The word "Dai" comes from the word "Dawat" which means one who gives Dawat and in this case the Dai's duty is to give Dawat to the Bohra faith, hence if he doesn't want to do that then why cant the title of Dai itself be changed to something else !!



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Unread post by anajmi » Tue May 20, 2014 5:07 pm

If tableegh had ended with Mohammad Mustafa (saw), there would've been no bohras. Bohras are converts from Hinduism. They become bohras as a result of tableegh. And then of course they ended up right where they were before, in idol worship!!



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Unread post by salaar » Tue May 20, 2014 5:09 pm

you can consider it Dawat na nigehbaan Dawat na chalawnar Dawat na captain but creation and formation of dawat has been completed on Mohammad Mustafa s.a,w,w. similar is the role of Imam a.s. for the other part its not that a bohra is a born bohra, dont forget people like laeen Jaffar and on the other hand Syedi Fakhruddin shaheed the son of Tarmal.



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#13

Unread post by anajmi » Tue May 20, 2014 5:14 pm

My conclusion is that you are as dumb as a dodo. You do not know the meaning of Dawat or Tableegh. Mohammad Mustafa (saw) himself did tableegh. Tableegh did not end with him. It started with him!! How can tableegh end with him when there was no one before him who was actually doing tableegh!! Seriously man? Are you really that stupid?



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Unread post by seeker110 » Tue May 20, 2014 5:19 pm

Unarmed Robber. My comment was to br g m . sorry late, posting. I am a slow thinker.



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Unread post by salaar » Tue May 20, 2014 5:23 pm

tableegh not for the sake of tableegh, many bohras did convert from hinduism but it was never emphasized as quantity is never the target, since dawat had to establish their center in hindustan awliya Allah came here and mostly people witnessed their pious lives and entered into the folds of dawat, our roots were always from Madina to Egypt to Yemen and then hindustan. Tableegh was never done to convert scores of masses and were never offered benefits for conversion, people come people go some become Syedi Sadiq Ali Sahib and some become anajmi its their destinies which they write with their own hands



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Unread post by anajmi » Tue May 20, 2014 5:27 pm

I guess the lowest hanging fruit got converted from Hinduism to bohraism. That is the reason why they stopped converting others. They were just useless as far as tableegh is concerned. The good guys came and helped these hindus to become bohras and then the useless bohras sat on their asses doing nothing!!



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Unread post by salaar » Tue May 20, 2014 5:31 pm

you fool what about the 124000 anbia that were doing tableegh before RasoolAllah, risalat kept on advancing until it reached a point where everything was revealed now we have everything and we were never left stray like you guys looking around for taak nights in ramzan your horrible state keeps you confused when to start roza and when to celebrate eid. what tableegh you are talking about. chinghadar (bats) ke ghar mehmaan aay hum bhi latkay tum bhi latko,



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Unread post by salaar » Tue May 20, 2014 5:33 pm

yeah lowest hanging fruits are the sweetest ones



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Unread post by Rebel » Tue May 20, 2014 5:45 pm

anajmi wrote:If tableegh had ended with Mohammad Mustafa (saw), there would've been no bohras. Bohras are converts from Hinduism. They become bohras as a result of tableegh. And then of course they ended up right where they were before, in idol worship!!
Absolutely correct, the conversion was probably a good cause but it turned to be sour - we all reverted to idol worship. Prophet broke the idols and we recreated it in the form sajdas and picture kissing and other pagan rituals. Now, who in the right mind will convert themselves to Daudi Bohras.



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Unread post by anajmi » Tue May 20, 2014 10:54 pm

you fool what about the 124000 anbia that were doing tableegh before RasoolAllah
You should think before speaking. The anbia that came before the prophet (saw) were not for tableegh. Their mission was always localized. The only prophet with a global mission was Mohammad (saw). But bohras like you are too dumb to understand the difference. Musa (as) didn't do tableegh. He came to free the jews from the firaun. He didn't come to convert them. They were already jews. Same was the case with Isa (as). You should burn your jameas cause they are creating morons like you.

If the previous prophets were doing tableegh, then why was the last prophet asked to end tableegh? He brought the best form of Islam and the final revelation and instead of spreading it, he was asked to stop tableegh? Are you smoking crack?
until it reached a point where everything was revealed now we have everything and we were never left stray
Everything was revealed to whom? You? You don't have a clue about anything other than idol worshipping. Most people on earth are still ignorant about the message. It is the job of the Dai to bring them to the right path that has been revealed to morons like you. But you and your Dai are good for nothing. The true tableegh is done only by the Ahle Sunnah tableeghi jamaat. They go door to door spreading the message of Islam. You fools are too busy bending down in front of humans. The reason your Dai doesn't do any tableegh is because he knows that if he propagates his crap as Islam, people will beat the shit out of him!!
yeah lowest hanging fruits are the sweetest ones
Actually, lowest hanging fruit metaphorically refers to people who can be most easily manipulated. If only you had been a little bit more educated, you would've understood the metaphor.



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Unread post by Rebel » Tue May 20, 2014 11:16 pm

@Anajmi - you reveal the facts - the dai has nothing to propagate, the dai is busy exterminating his own people who raise their voice against his corrupt practices. The community is already labeled as deviants of Islam in many parts of the world. They would not propagate and they can't propagate the current version of Islam that we all practice on others because they already know that their Islam is changed and mutilated to serve their own purpose. They bend all principles and rules to serve their own ends. The kothar and co. are truly stress creators in peoples' lives.



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#22

Unread post by anajmi » Tue May 20, 2014 11:35 pm

If you study the life of the prophet (saw), which is taboo in the bohra jamea, you will find that the prophet (saw) sent letters of "dawah" (invitation) to many heads of states like the Byzantine Emperor, the Persian Emperor, the ruler of Egypt, the governor of Syria, the ruler of Bahrain and as far as the ruler of Kashmir. In all of his letters the theme was to invite the ruler to the religion of Islam. The prophet (saw) was doing tableegh. Not ending tableegh like the bohras claim. We all (well, excluding the morons like salaar) know the story of the prophet's trip to Taif where he was stoned. Why did he go to Taif? On vacation like the bohra Dai does? No. He went there for tableegh.



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Unread post by Peace » Wed May 21, 2014 1:00 am

Please please please don't do mudslinging, mockery, and calling bad names. Please try to avoid it. It derails the topic and does not bring fruitful results. Try to argue in best manner.



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Unread post by Peace » Wed May 21, 2014 1:04 am

Dear salaar
Please give answers to my questions if possible.



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Unread post by james » Wed May 21, 2014 1:09 am

anajmi wrote:You should think before speaking. The anbia that came before the prophet (saw) were not for tableegh. Their mission was always localized.
Localized mission turned into Judaism and Christianity. :shock:

You just couldn't make it up! :lol:



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Unread post by yuzarsif » Wed May 21, 2014 1:16 am

DB Dawat is ..
Zyafat ki Dawat,
Fakhir Najwa ki Dawat,
Gini Ada karneki Dawat,
Kadam bosi ki Dawat,
Pagla ki dawat,
Do kharas Do Mithas ki Dawat,
Deedar ki Dawat,
Haat jod ke jhukne ki Dawat,
Raudat tahera ke Ziyarat ki Dawat,
Khamoshi se thi jorr jorr se matam ki dawat,
Waaz Relay ki Dawat ,
Bairavo ke kono ikhtiyaar karne ki dawat.
Mazoon par Lanat bolneki dawat.
Baccho se Parade karva ne ki Dawat.
Baccho seWajebaat leneki Dawat.
Bolo, kisko is dawat me shamil hona hai. jald se jald Fakir salam ka cover le kar apna naam likhwa de...



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Unread post by anajmi » Wed May 21, 2014 9:11 am

Localized mission turned into Judaism and Christianity. :shock:
You just couldn't make it up!
Oh dear! The Jamea education proves to be useless once more. Neither did Musa (as) create Judaism and nor did Isa (as) create Christianity. The jews were known as Bani Israel during the time of Musa (as) referred to as Yahud during and after the time of prophet Mohammad (saw). When I referred to them as jews it was simply because it was easier to identify them that way. The correct term is Bani Israel. Ignorance, as they say, is your own fault!!

The creation of Christianity has been universally attributed to St. Paul.

Allah tells us in the Quran that all His prophets taught Islam and jamea james tells us that they taught Judaism and Christianity!!

Well, bohras and their Dai could make up anything they want. We already know about Hussain's talking ghoda now don't we? :wink:



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#28

Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed May 21, 2014 11:36 am

Anajmi well done for stepping in to protect the truth ....these abdes are really taught a twisted ideology ....and once they sit in sabaq sand jamea, they somehow stopped being able to reason.

Wait did they just say ...Gujarati and Rajastani vohra...we're so impressed by the Yemeni pious ness who by the way came on holiday to Hind , back to the story that they the Hindu Brhamins...orthodox Hindus ...gave up their 4,000 years old faith ...

The Yemeni did not need to explain, invite , debate or convince people to join islam .

I like the fact you stated how the Prophet SAW did his dawa...now how do you expect abdes to know that ...that is too much detail .....but they know when and why any of the Dias did some moajiza.

Oh wait how did Yemeni and Egyptians get converted ..they too were impressed and gave up their pagan ways .....

But however in 2014 we are no longer getting impressed by what a billion Muslims are practising ...we need a Diai to do what safinatul nijat..like how they create Arabic words for their twisted ideology to sound very Islamic . Sounds authentic but is fake. I at end of day don't blame abdes..they have been brainwashed by a strange events in last 1000 years ..what is blame them is for them to stop reasoning so they have hope of stepping out of their spell .

But then this is the outcome of taking 5 year old children and drumming in them constant twisted ideology through Madarassa, sabaq and bayan and keep it oiled for rest of their lives, so even when they get university education they have lost the ability of logical and analytical thinking.

As long as dais keep supplying hopes, and tickets to heaven and abdes purchase it with money the business of deceit will continue....



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#29

Unread post by Rebel » Wed May 21, 2014 12:36 pm

yuzarsif wrote:DB Dawat is ..
Zyafat ki Dawat,
Fakhir Najwa ki Dawat,
Gini Ada karneki Dawat,
Kadam bosi ki Dawat,
Pagla ki dawat,
Do kharas Do Mithas ki Dawat,
Deedar ki Dawat,
Haat jod ke jhukne ki Dawat,
Raudat tahera ke Ziyarat ki Dawat,
Khamoshi se thi jorr jorr se matam ki dawat,
Waaz Relay ki Dawat ,
Bairavo ke kono ikhtiyaar karne ki dawat.
Mazoon par Lanat bolneki dawat.
Baccho se Parade karva ne ki Dawat.
Baccho seWajebaat leneki Dawat.
Bolo, kisko is dawat me shamil hona hai. jald se jald Fakir salam ka cover le kar apna naam likhwa de...
:D outstanding, you made my day. You got a brilliant mind....



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Unread post by Hasan » Wed May 21, 2014 2:59 pm

salaar wrote:when Allah subhanaho send 124000 anbia to propagate and spread his dawat, was it difficult to continue that series couldnt he keep sending more anbia for more conversion but it was not in his masheeyat, the tableegh ended with Mohammad Mustafa s.a.w.w. after that Allah never left insaan without connection in the form of Imam and in satar Daiuz zaman but their job was not tableegh but to upkeep kalema e haq, they were always there to guide the safinatul nijaat in good times and bad times, now since Allah has stopped sending anbia for conveying his message and all what he wanted us to know has been delivered with the last and most important part that is MAN KUNTO MOULAHO FAHAZA ALIYN MOULA, the paigham has been given and completed, it is however the duty of every responsible muslim to assisst his fellow
beings and keep doing good things for the welfare of mankind, moulvis mistook it and consider that tableegh is their job, i again question was there any shortage in Allahs darbar to keep sending more anbias for every period NO but it is masheeyat e Illahiya, this is our core belief we dont believe on any conversion programmes after akhri nabi e martabat and only assist those who seek ilm e aal e Mohammad to excel in their thirst for this ilm. rest is all biddat and drama for the sake of power and wealth.

Brother salaar

I was shock!!!!when i read your given explanation i want to ask you one question have you ask some amil about this issue of spearding the dawat or it is based upon your own wishfull thinking ???


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