Past 2 Dai's era!

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Kaka Akela
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Qasr e jaali's way of life

#1

Unread post by Kaka Akela » Wed May 28, 2014 10:48 am

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

I couldn't have said it better for the way kothar, Dawat, and qasr e Jaali behaves these days.

Rebel
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Re: Qasr e jaali's way of life

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Unread post by Rebel » Wed May 28, 2014 12:39 pm

Very true, they have made plundering and loot as their legal right. No have no moral or ethics.

SBM
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Past 2 Dai's era!

#3

Unread post by SBM » Fri May 30, 2014 7:33 am

(Received thru E Mail)
A lot of Bohoras are of the view that people in the bohra community have prospered tremendously under the 51st and 52nd dai's era. Now lets look at the ground level and examine the financial status of certain bohras, especially in Mumbai:-
1) The Plywood market at Abdul rehman st and Jamli Mohalla was once controlled by bohra traders but since quite a few years it is now dominated by hindu gujaratis.
2) The Ball Bearing business especially at Nagdevi st was once controlled by bohra traders but again it has been taken over by gujaratis and marwaris and only a handful of bohras are left.
3) The Industrial and Building Hardware business at A.R.St, Nagdevi st and khokha bazar was once under the domain of bohra traders but again this too is now a virtual monopoly of gujaratis and marwaris.
4) The Glass Business was a virtual monopoly of the bohras like Dastoor, Kohinoor brand mirrors and Crown mirrors but now the bohras have almost no say in this business and the trade is controlled by kutchis, gujratis etc. The Kohinoor brand mirror used to enjoy an almost a monopoly status some years ago and the bohra owners were hardcore fanatics of kothar but ultimately they came to blows and split.
5) The Ship breaking business at darukhana was once the monopoly of the likes of Bagasrawalas, Upletawalas, Vahanvatis and other rich bohras but now these names are hardly remembered.
6) The famous Drum and bucket factory, "Tayyabi Bucket Factory" owned by Baldiwalas closed down 2 decades ago. Another very old drum factory "Bombay Drums Mfrs" closed down a decade ago.
7) The very famous and the biggest stationery store of Mumbai, "Bombay Stationery Mart" at P.M. Road, Fort which was owned by a bohra family closed down 2 decades ago.
The Dhrangadhrawalas who had a few shops at Nagdevi and who once owned the famous Radio Hotel near Musafirkhana are almost nowhere to be seen.
9) The landmark store "Akbarallys" owned by khorakhiwalas are facing very tough times due to the mushrooming of various malls accross the city. Their pharmacuetical arm, "Wockhardt" has a huge debt of more then 2000 crores.
10) The once very rich Lacewala family who had a bunglow at Nepeansea Road which is the most prime area of mumbai are in a very deep financial mess and the siblings are staying in rented houses in poona. This family was EXTREMELY close to the dai and have showered crores to the dai during their heydays. The head of the family, Mr.Akbarbhai couldnt get a place for himself in nariyalwadi kabrastan due to his ill financial health and was ultimately buried at Kurla kabrastan which is known as the poor mans kabrastan in bohras. The crores that he showered on the dai and his zaadas turned out to be a wasteful expenditure.
11) The glamour and pomp of the once famous Mohamedbhai Munim who owned York House in upmarket colaba and who was once a diehard dai fan is no more visible.
12) The Matcheswala family of Nagdevi st who were shipowners and who had given scores of ziafats to the 51st dai and who had an exclusive and beautifully furnished room at nagdevi specially for the dai which was otherwise locked for the rest of the year saw their empire crumble and at which time the zaadas and dai vanished like "ghade ke sar pe se sing". Even their head of the family was refused burial at naryalwadi but after much coaxing, cajoling and crying by his son, kothar relented.
13) The famous Bamboat family who owned a bungalow at Carter road, Bandra where the 51st dai made innumerable appearences had to sell off their bungalow to the late actor Rajendra Kumar who then sold it to Rajesh Khanna and which is now known as "Aashirwad Bungalow".
14) Talib shop is gone from Nagdevi St, Kakas( fireworks ) are gone from Abdul Rehman St, chhatriwala shop in Princess St ( making Umbrellas) and many other businesses. At one time Khokha Bazaar was lined with Bohora hardware shops, Abdul Rehman St was lined with Stationary shops, Sutar Chawl was lined with paper goods shops etc.
The Mumbai list itself is endless so just think about the rest of the world. When they claim that bohras of todayhave prospered more then they are living in fantasyland and have only to study the graph and statistics of various communities worldwide and see for themselves as to how rapidly others have prospered as compared to bohras

Sufi monk
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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

#4

Unread post by Sufi monk » Fri May 30, 2014 8:05 am

imagine how many poor momeenin became jobless by all these shut downs.

this is what happens when people starts associating all their success to community leader rather than giving credit and doing humd o sana of rabbul alamin Allah subhanu.

I dont remeber any bohra saying "Alhumdolillah" they just say "mola ni dua"

lack of ISLAM in day to day life has created this situation.

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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by shabbir4u » Fri May 30, 2014 11:34 am

SBM wrote:(Received thru E Mail)
A lot of Bohoras are of the view that people in the bohra community have prospered tremendously under the 51st and 52nd dai's era. Now lets look at the ground level and examine the financial status of certain bohras, especially in Mumbai:-
1) The Plywood market at Abdul rehman st and Jamli Mohalla was once controlled by bohra traders but since quite a few years it is now dominated by hindu gujaratis.
2) The Ball Bearing business especially at Nagdevi st was once controlled by bohra traders but again it has been taken over by gujaratis and marwaris and only a handful of bohras are left.
3) The Industrial and Building Hardware business at A.R.St, Nagdevi st and khokha bazar was once under the domain of bohra traders but again this too is now a virtual monopoly of gujaratis and marwaris.
4) The Glass Business was a virtual monopoly of the bohras like Dastoor, Kohinoor brand mirrors and Crown mirrors but now the bohras have almost no say in this business and the trade is controlled by kutchis, gujratis etc. The Kohinoor brand mirror used to enjoy an almost a monopoly status some years ago and the bohra owners were hardcore fanatics of kothar but ultimately they came to blows and split.
5) The Ship breaking business at darukhana was once the monopoly of the likes of Bagasrawalas, Upletawalas, Vahanvatis and other rich bohras but now these names are hardly remembered.
6) The famous Drum and bucket factory, "Tayyabi Bucket Factory" owned by Baldiwalas closed down 2 decades ago. Another very old drum factory "Bombay Drums Mfrs" closed down a decade ago.
7) The very famous and the biggest stationery store of Mumbai, "Bombay Stationery Mart" at P.M. Road, Fort which was owned by a bohra family closed down 2 decades ago.
The Dhrangadhrawalas who had a few shops at Nagdevi and who once owned the famous Radio Hotel near Musafirkhana are almost nowhere to be seen.
9) The landmark store "Akbarallys" owned by khorakhiwalas are facing very tough times due to the mushrooming of various malls accross the city. Their pharmacuetical arm, "Wockhardt" has a huge debt of more then 2000 crores.
10) The once very rich Lacewala family who had a bunglow at Nepeansea Road which is the most prime area of mumbai are in a very deep financial mess and the siblings are staying in rented houses in poona. This family was EXTREMELY close to the dai and have showered crores to the dai during their heydays. The head of the family, Mr.Akbarbhai couldnt get a place for himself in nariyalwadi kabrastan due to his ill financial health and was ultimately buried at Kurla kabrastan which is known as the poor mans kabrastan in bohras. The crores that he showered on the dai and his zaadas turned out to be a wasteful expenditure.
11) The glamour and pomp of the once famous Mohamedbhai Munim who owned York House in upmarket colaba and who was once a diehard dai fan is no more visible.
12) The Matcheswala family of Nagdevi st who were shipowners and who had given scores of ziafats to the 51st dai and who had an exclusive and beautifully furnished room at nagdevi specially for the dai which was otherwise locked for the rest of the year saw their empire crumble and at which time the zaadas and dai vanished like "ghade ke sar pe se sing". Even their head of the family was refused burial at naryalwadi but after much coaxing, cajoling and crying by his son, kothar relented.
13) The famous Bamboat family who owned a bungalow at Carter road, Bandra where the 51st dai made innumerable appearences had to sell off their bungalow to the late actor Rajendra Kumar who then sold it to Rajesh Khanna and which is now known as "Aashirwad Bungalow".
14) Talib shop is gone from Nagdevi St, Kakas( fireworks ) are gone from Abdul Rehman St, chhatriwala shop in Princess St ( making Umbrellas) and many other businesses. At one time Khokha Bazaar was lined with Bohora hardware shops, Abdul Rehman St was lined with Stationary shops, Sutar Chawl was lined with paper goods shops etc.
The Mumbai list itself is endless so just think about the rest of the world. When they claim that bohras of todayhave prospered more then they are living in fantasyland and have only to study the graph and statistics of various communities worldwide and see for themselves as to how rapidly others have prospered as compared to bohras
Hello

You are right above email. Well I was grew up my Childhood days in sutar chawl and A.R ST. I am in my Mid forties.and I know most of families very well and we have Hardware store Khokha Bazaar still NOW. I have seem most wealthy bohra selling their huge store to Yakub (Memoon guy good connection with D gang). First of all we Bohra dont have strong family bond means brother n brother always fight for property or money. we dont work together and built empire for that reason these yakub took advantage of it he offer more money and split between brothers and I know about it. Yakub hire all property agent or Dalal to keep a track who is fighting for money and he take advantage of it. Now I am taking about hindu and Guju who took control of paper mart, ball bearing,glass busniess etc etc Bohra was smart in busniess But we hire Guju accountant to look our Day to day income and expenses at that time we use to call them chopra laakvawala they learn from us every single thing where we buy whats the profit margin etc etc so they traine their Children in our field they start making contacts with our vendor and thats how they came in our fields. They start selling at very mini profit.

Sufi monk
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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

#6

Unread post by Sufi monk » Fri May 30, 2014 12:59 pm

there can be many technicalities of losing business and losing clients, but for me the first mistake bohras are doing is associating every barakah of ALLAH to dai.

our elders use to do lots of humdo sana of ALLAH SUBHANU and also use to spend in the name of ALLAH without asking for any favor from any one, today most bohra spend just to get a title or to look good within community, they have lost sense of helping each other, ultimately ALLAH is not helping such people and they are losing every thing they had.


general bohra's calls them self Muslim and Shia but they have forgotten ALLAH, QURAAN and Prophet Muhammed(s) in last 3 generations and they dont even realize this.

ghulam muhammed
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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 30, 2014 4:03 pm

SBM wrote:(Received thru E Mail)
A lot of Bohoras are of the view that people in the bohra community have prospered tremendously under the 51st and 52nd dai's era. Now lets look at the ground level and examine the financial status of certain bohras, especially in Mumbai:-
1) The Plywood market at Abdul rehman st and Jamli Mohalla was once controlled by bohra traders but since quite a few years it is now dominated by hindu gujaratis.
2) The Ball Bearing business especially at Nagdevi st was once controlled by bohra traders but again it has been taken over by gujaratis and marwaris and only a handful of bohras are left.
3) The Industrial and Building Hardware business at A.R.St, Nagdevi st and khokha bazar was once under the domain of bohra traders but again this too is now a virtual monopoly of gujaratis and marwaris.
4) The Glass Business was a virtual monopoly of the bohras like Dastoor, Kohinoor brand mirrors and Crown mirrors but now the bohras have almost no say in this business and the trade is controlled by kutchis, gujratis etc. The Kohinoor brand mirror used to enjoy an almost a monopoly status some years ago and the bohra owners were hardcore fanatics of kothar but ultimately they came to blows and split.
5) The Ship breaking business at darukhana was once the monopoly of the likes of Bagasrawalas, Upletawalas, Vahanvatis and other rich bohras but now these names are hardly remembered.
6) The famous Drum and bucket factory, "Tayyabi Bucket Factory" owned by Baldiwalas closed down 2 decades ago. Another very old drum factory "Bombay Drums Mfrs" closed down a decade ago.
7) The very famous and the biggest stationery store of Mumbai, "Bombay Stationery Mart" at P.M. Road, Fort which was owned by a bohra family closed down 2 decades ago.
The Dhrangadhrawalas who had a few shops at Nagdevi and who once owned the famous Radio Hotel near Musafirkhana are almost nowhere to be seen.
9) The landmark store "Akbarallys" owned by khorakhiwalas are facing very tough times due to the mushrooming of various malls accross the city. Their pharmacuetical arm, "Wockhardt" has a huge debt of more then 2000 crores.
10) The once very rich Lacewala family who had a bunglow at Nepeansea Road which is the most prime area of mumbai are in a very deep financial mess and the siblings are staying in rented houses in poona. This family was EXTREMELY close to the dai and have showered crores to the dai during their heydays. The head of the family, Mr.Akbarbhai couldnt get a place for himself in nariyalwadi kabrastan due to his ill financial health and was ultimately buried at Kurla kabrastan which is known as the poor mans kabrastan in bohras. The crores that he showered on the dai and his zaadas turned out to be a wasteful expenditure.
11) The glamour and pomp of the once famous Mohamedbhai Munim who owned York House in upmarket colaba and who was once a diehard dai fan is no more visible.
12) The Matcheswala family of Nagdevi st who were shipowners and who had given scores of ziafats to the 51st dai and who had an exclusive and beautifully furnished room at nagdevi specially for the dai which was otherwise locked for the rest of the year saw their empire crumble and at which time the zaadas and dai vanished like "ghade ke sar pe se sing". Even their head of the family was refused burial at naryalwadi but after much coaxing, cajoling and crying by his son, kothar relented.
13) The famous Bamboat family who owned a bungalow at Carter road, Bandra where the 51st dai made innumerable appearences had to sell off their bungalow to the late actor Rajendra Kumar who then sold it to Rajesh Khanna and which is now known as "Aashirwad Bungalow".
14) Talib shop is gone from Nagdevi St, Kakas( fireworks ) are gone from Abdul Rehman St, chhatriwala shop in Princess St ( making Umbrellas) and many other businesses. At one time Khokha Bazaar was lined with Bohora hardware shops, Abdul Rehman St was lined with Stationary shops, Sutar Chawl was lined with paper goods shops etc.The Mumbai list itself is endless so just think about the rest of the world. When they claim that bohras of todayhave prospered more then they are living in fantasyland and have only to study the graph and statistics of various communities worldwide and see for themselves as to how rapidly others have prospered as compared to bohras
This is one more example of how articles on this forum are being circulated worldwide and a proof that this forum is definitely having a great impact. The above post had appeared on this forum some time back and I know it because it was posted by me.

Qureshi
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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by Qureshi » Fri May 30, 2014 11:27 pm

losses in business can be recovered, but losses in moral values are not easy to recover.

bohras are rapidly losing moral values.

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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat May 31, 2014 2:30 am

Loss of business dominance is also happening as bohras are pumping their profits into ziyafats and sponsoring the self centered projects of kothar. Building lavish dargah resorts, commercial hospital, schools and other community centres. Apart from diverting their funds, they are also less attentive to their businesses. Chasing and following the Dai wherever they go ignoring their business.

Also relying on “Raza” for every business decision is not helping, many a times a business opportunity needs to be grabbed immediately upon simple intellect. But a bohra delays it for “Dua/raza-ni-araz” response and by that time the deal is gone.

rang
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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by rang » Sat May 31, 2014 1:19 pm

Sufi monk wrote:imagine how many poor momeenin became jobless by all these shut downs.

this is what happens when people starts associating all their success to community leader rather than giving credit and doing humd o sana of rabbul alamin Allah subhanu.

I dont remeber any bohra saying "Alhumdolillah" they just say "mola ni dua"

lack of ISLAM in day to day life has created this situation.
Sufi monk is 101% correct

ghulam muhammed
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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat May 31, 2014 6:04 pm

Sufi monk wrote:have lost sense of helping each other
This is one of the reasons for Bohras failing in business because we seldom see any charitable institutions run by Bohra individuals. This does not mean that Bohras do not want to but they very well know that once they start such institutions then the Dai and his zaadas will pounce on them and grab it with both hands and run it like a profit making unit, the profits of which will be used to finance their opulent lifestyles. There were many Bohras in the past like Adamji Peerbhoy, Morriswalas etc. who ran various such institutions and ensured that the less privileged Bohras benefitted from it but the Dais systematically grabbed those institutions as they wanted their own rubber stamp on it just to show that they are doing a lot for the community which was never the case, they didn't want the real philanthropists to hog the limelight and in the bargain being overshadowed.

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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat May 31, 2014 7:14 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:This is one of the reasons for Bohras failing in business because we seldom see any charitable institutions run by Bohra individuals. This does not mean that Bohras do not want to but they very well know that once they start such institutions then the Dai and his zaadas will pounce on them and grab it with both hands and run it like a profit making unit, the profits of which will be used to finance their opulent lifestyles. There were many Bohras in the past like Adamji Peerbhoy, Morriswalas etc. who ran various such institutions and ensured that the less privileged Bohras benefitted from it but the Dais systematically grabbed those institutions as they wanted their own rubber stamp on it just to show that they are doing a lot for the community which was never the case, they didn't want the real philanthropists to hog the limelight and in the bargain being overshadowed.
For a detailed explanation of the above, read the below mentioned article :-

Erasing the memory of past philanthropists
Postby S. Insaf on Sat May 21, 2011 7:43 am

Dawoodi Bohras are made to be proud of the majestic building standing opposite Charni Road Railway Station in Mumbai. They are told that this is “Saifee Hospital” that their late Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had dreamt of. But on this majestic building there is no sign board saying “Saifee Hospital” anywhere. This is something unusual, especially in a city like Mumbai, and for Dawoodi Bohra establishment, as they leave no opportunity in glorifying the name of their last two Syednas!

This is because the Supreme Court of India in its judgment delivered in 2000 has categorically stated that:

"The gates and entrances to the Sanatorium and Mosque portion of the building shall bear only the name of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium. The gates and entrances to the Hospital portion of the building will bear the name of Saifee Hospital on the gate posts and name of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy on the opposite gate posts, in letters of equal size and prominence. If the name of Saifee Hospital put up on any exterior surface of the Hospital Wing then the name of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy shall be placed alongside the same or one after the other with due regard to the aesthetics of the building with equal size and prominence."

This means that if Syedna Saheb's trustees put up a sign board of “Saifee Hospital” then they will also have to put up a sign board of "Sir Adamji Peerbhoy", a name which they are trying to erase from public memory and space.

Not only this, the cunning and dishonest trustees have played another trick. In the plans submitted to the Supreme Court the entrance to Sir Adamji Sanatorium was given in the rear of the building. Hence the Supreme Court had to order in its judgment that:

"The plans annexed to the Affidavit dated 8.10.1997 at Volume XIV pages 2237 to 2262 shall be amended to bring the entrance of the Sanatorium Wing to the front of the building facing Maharishi Karve Road."

The entrance of Sanatorium was shown in the plan at the rear of the building so as to make sure that it was not visible to the public. The Supreme Court had also imposed one more condition:

"Wings A and B of the Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium shall not be demolished unless and until a sum of Rs. One Crore is deposited by the trustees of the Saifee Hospital in a separate Bank Account to be opened for this purpose. The Trustees of Saifee Hospital are directed to complete the construction of the Sanitarium of minimum built-up area of 16,000 square feet within five years from the date of demolition of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium Trust's property"

From such specific and strict orders it is evident that the Highest Court of this country did not trust Sayedna Saheb's dishonest trustees, and was suspicious that they will do every thing possible to erase the memory of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy. That is why at one stage of the trial the Supreme Court even asked the trustees of Saifee Hospital to build the “Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Hospital” on the land of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy.

We know that till year 2000 an equally majestic sanatorium stood on this land which was built by the legendary Dawoodi Bohra philanthropist Sir Adamji Peerbhoy. He had purchased the land and constructed this sanatorium and the adjoining mosque in 1885 with his own money for the use and benefit of the members of his community. For his outstanding charitable work the 49th Dai, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (the father of Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb) had conferred the title of “Rafiuddin” (high in religion) on Sir Adamji Peerbhoy.

During First and Second World Wars when prosperity came in the Dawoodi Bohra community due to increase in trading activities, many Dawoodi Bohra philanthropists like Sir Adamji Peerbhoy, Hasanali Dholkawala, Nooruddin Moriswala, Abdul Tayyab Maskati, Lukmanji Bootwala, Ismailji Machiswala, Adamji Jhanjaria, Karimjees, Jivanjees etc etc., created trusts and built several sanatorium, hospitals, musafarkhanas, mosques and educational institutions in the community. In last 100 years their names have been intentionally erased from the memory of Bohras, even though Bohras continue to enjoy the benefits their charities. Today these institutions have been named either "Saifee or Burhani" and are projected as "Ahsanat and Karam of Aqa Mola." Today Bohras hardly remember the names of our pioneer philanthropists. Their names have been successfully erased from public memory and public space.

It all began with Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb who actively downplayed the importance of past philanthropists in order to glorify his own image as "Shamshul-Duatul-Mutlaqueen" (Shining like Sun among all other Dais) and mark his era as “Golden Era”. And all this without contributing a penny from his side or from crores of rupees collected from the Bohras every year.

Sir Adamji Peerbhoy is lucky that his name still survives today albeit through court orders. His grandsons, late Advocate Abid Merchant and late Mr. Mansoor Jani fought in the courts of law for more than 30 years bearing considerable expense against the Bohra establishment’s devilish design to erase the name of their grandfather. But in the case of other philanthropists, they were not so lucky. Their heirs, willingly or unwillingly submitted to the coercion of the establishment. Thanks to the efforts of Sir Adamji's grandsons, Saifee Hospital trustees are still Sir Adamji's lessee and even today Sir Adamji Peerbhoy is the actual owner. Sir Adamji Peerbhoy's sanatorium also exists in his own name. His mosque and his dargah in the compound of his mosque are still in existence.

That is why in the final judgment the Supreme Court thought it necessary to define the Dawoodi Bohra beneficiaries of Hospital and Sanatorium. The order thus specifies:

"......Dawoodi Bohras regardless of whether they have taken the Oath of Allegiance (misaq) or not and regardless of whether they have been excommunicated or not."

Syedna Saheb's dishonest trustees are trying to hide this fact from the community as you can see from a huge board put up on the front façade of Saifee Hospital building on the occasion of so-called 100th Birthday of Syedna Saheb. It reads as:-

Medical Staff and Employees of SAIFEE HOSPITAL & APS TRUST Respectfully offer HEARTIEST CONGRUTULATION to HIS HOLINESS DR. SYEDNA MOHAMMAD BURHANUDDIN SAHEB (TUS) on his 100th Milad (Birthday)
25th March, 2011-20th Rabi-al-Akhar


Please note the mention of “APS TRUST”.

The dishonest trustees of Syedna Saheb want to hide the name of Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium from public by abbreviating it as APS Trust. They would have omitted mentioning APS TRUST altogether, but they were under compulsion to do so. According to the Supreme Court order they cannot mention '”Saifee Hospital” anywhere without mentioning “Sir Adamji Peerbhoy” with it. But still it is a violation of the court order as the court has asked to write the name of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium Trust in full.

We are seeking clarification for this under the Right to Information Act, and our solicitors in New Delhi already working on it. It would be interesting to see how they wriggle out of this one

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OPPRESSIVE/DICTATORSHIP ERA OF TAHER SAIFU AND BURHANUDDIN

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Unread post by SAJJAD » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:49 am

OPPRESSIVE/DICTATORSHIP ERA OF TAHER SAIFU AND BURHANUDDIN

*Innovation of new Un-Islamic rituals and dogmas

*Forced subjugation and enslavement of Bohras abdes/amtes

*Imposed numerous taxes/wajebaats on abdes/amtes for personal gain and wealth

*Wholesale Ziafats taking place all year round that come with mandatory hefty salams

*Elevated himself/zadas on a high pedestal and honored themselves with undeserving titles

*Breaking up the families by imposing baraats whoever does not buy their bullshits

*Instilling a culture of hatred towards people who don’t bow down into slavery

*Widespread corruption with no transparency/accounting for the community’s funds

*Personal interference in every step of the Bohris life with dreaded ‘Raza” system

*Invention of E-jamat cards, safai chitthi, and concept of kadambosi

*Wholesale Nikah ceremony (Saify Rasam) introduced

*Forced Misaq on all abdes/amtes all year round

*Saya/Topi/Dadhi and Brainwashed Sabaq introduced

*Mithi Sitabi, Darees and Lousy Dawat ni Jaban introduced

*Killing of Wild (Extinct) Animals during Safari

*Ghanoo Jivo Ta Qayamat Tak, Moola ni Dua, Karam ane Ehsan Slogans became routine

*Every Community, Markaz, Jamat or any Center named either Saifiya or Burhaniya

*Gave titles of mulla and sheikh to every Tom, Dick and Harry who could pay up $$

*Hatred and physical harm towards Muslims/bohris who don’t buy their bullshit

*Murdered and ransacked homes of some progressive bohras

*Abolished Prophet’s Sunnat namaz and introduced bay rakat namaz for himself and his baap

*Introduced Salawat on all dias instead of Fateha

*Show-off and pomp, Taabudaat, lavish Jaman, and a three ring circus on his birthdays

*Introduction of Muharram Tamasha and 24/7 matam and darees

*Masjid/Markaz became a business center with a large TV projector that played videos for their praise, pomps, karam ane ehsan and some money making Ponzi schemes

*Numerous lackluster lectures delivered were fairy tales, senseless and boring by reading verbatim from a script.

*Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W.), Hazrat Ali(A.S.) and earlier Imams forgotten

*Lanats on Prophet(S.A.W.)’s Sahabas became norm with slogan “Khuda Ni Lanat” during any lectures in markaz

*Never condemned the persecution of Muslims around the world

*Never condemened Iraq war OR raised Palestine issue

*Never attended any Muslim conferences or gave any lectures to non-Bohras

wise_guy
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Re: OPPRESSIVE/DICTATORSHIP ERA OF TAHER SAIFU AND BURHANUDD

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Unread post by wise_guy » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:52 am

Why are you spamming with this post which has been posted/discussed several bazillion times on this forum? Whats the purpose?

PS: Strange thing: I didn't like this post, still its showing 1 like by me. Some bug it seems.

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Re: OPPRESSIVE/DICTATORSHIP ERA OF TAHER SAIFU AND BURHANUDD

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Unread post by Liberalguy » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:56 am

Why Bringing it up so late.... lol
He is dead and decomposed.
Worry about the latest claimants and zadas

Am the wiseguy without unserscore... lol
I would change the username if anyone show me how to...

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Re: OPPRESSIVE/DICTATORSHIP ERA OF TAHER SAIFU AND BURHANUDD

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Unread post by tasneempati » Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:49 am

For all these stupid abde's & amte's to be blamed. Specially spineless "wagadiya & mumbaiya" who meekly surrender always.

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Re: OPPRESSIVE/DICTATORSHIP ERA OF TAHER SAIFU AND BURHANUDD

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Unread post by Rebel » Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:44 am

SAJJAD wrote:OPPRESSIVE/DICTATORSHIP ERA OF TAHER SAIFU AND BURHANUDDIN

*Innovation of new Un-Islamic rituals and dogmas

*Forced subjugation and enslavement of Bohras abdes/amtes

*Imposed numerous taxes/wajebaats on abdes/amtes for personal gain and wealth

*Wholesale Ziafats taking place all year round that come with mandatory hefty salams

*Elevated himself/zadas on a high pedestal and honored themselves with undeserving titles

*Breaking up the families by imposing baraats whoever does not buy their bullshits

*Instilling a culture of hatred towards people who don’t bow down into slavery

*Widespread corruption with no transparency/accounting for the community’s funds

*Personal interference in every step of the Bohris life with dreaded ‘Raza” system

*Invention of E-jamat cards, safai chitthi, and concept of kadambosi

*Wholesale Nikah ceremony (Saify Rasam) introduced

*Forced Misaq on all abdes/amtes all year round

*Saya/Topi/Dadhi and Brainwashed Sabaq introduced

*Mithi Sitabi, Darees and Lousy Dawat ni Jaban introduced

*Killing of Wild (Extinct) Animals during Safari

*Ghanoo Jivo Ta Qayamat Tak, Moola ni Dua, Karam ane Ehsan Slogans became routine

*Every Community, Markaz, Jamat or any Center named either Saifiya or Burhaniya

*Gave titles of mulla and sheikh to every Tom, Dick and Harry who could pay up $$

*Hatred and physical harm towards Muslims/bohris who don’t buy their bullshit

*Murdered and ransacked homes of some progressive bohras

*Abolished Prophet’s Sunnat namaz and introduced bay rakat namaz for himself and his baap

*Introduced Salawat on all dias instead of Fateha

*Show-off and pomp, Taabudaat, lavish Jaman, and a three ring circus on his birthdays

*Introduction of Muharram Tamasha and 24/7 matam and darees

*Masjid/Markaz became a business center with a large TV projector that played videos for their praise, pomps, karam ane ehsan and some money making Ponzi schemes

*Numerous lackluster lectures delivered were fairy tales, senseless and boring by reading verbatim from a script.

*Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W.), Hazrat Ali(A.S.) and earlier Imams forgotten

*Lanats on Prophet(S.A.W.)’s Sahabas became norm with slogan “Khuda Ni Lanat” during any lectures in markaz

*Never condemned the persecution of Muslims around the world

*Never condemened Iraq war OR raised Palestine issue

*Never attended any Muslim conferences or gave any lectures to non-Bohras
You have given a very clear and true picture of kothar and gang. And after TS, MB and now his son MS will create more confusion and chaos within the community.

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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:40 pm

How the 51st Dai usurped "Faiz-e-Huseini" amongst various other charitable institutions established by renowned Bohra Philanthropists :-

It was difficult for Dawoodi Bohras as for others to travel to Mecca and stay there for Haj during early days. Sir Adamji Peerbhoy realized this difficulty when he went on Haj for the first time in June 1882 with 125 Bohras from Kathyawar and Jamnagar. The people were required to come to Bombay to take a steamer for Mecca. There was no arrangement for Bohras to stay in Bombay and at Mecca, Medina and Karbala. So on his return from Haj he constructed a Sanatorium at Charni Road in Bombay and Bohra Rubats at all three places. Then in 1897 Seth Alibhai Karimji Alvi and Esaji Adamji established a Trust and named it as “Faiz-e-Husaini Charitable Trust with initial amount of Rs. 1,52,650/- by them and got it registered.

A memorandum submitted to the Governor of Bombay, Sir Leslie Wilson in 1933 states about this trust among many other cases of forceful usurpation of Community’s properties by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb. The text in brief is as follows :-

"A trust known as Faiz-e-Husaini was founded by some honest and sincere good Bohras of Karachi some 35 years back. Due to enormous amount of good work and benefit the value of the trust increased to 35 lacs rupees in a short time. All along the trustees carried out their affairs quietly and peacefully without any interference from any of the Mullaji Sahebs. About 6 months ago when the present Mullaji Sayedna Taher Saifuddin went to Karachi he sent his agents to the trustees asking them 1) first to include a clause in the Trust Deed that the trustees would not do any thing without first obtaining the permission of Mullaji. 2) On a vacancy the trustee would be appointed by Mullaji. With that The Sayedna Saheb started coercion but was advised by his lawyers that “his action would be illegal and he would be civilly and criminally liable for any interference in the trust matter as Trust Deed prohibited the interference of any one other than trustees.” He came back to Bombay and instructed his solicitors to draw up a deed transferring all properties and funds of Faiz-e-Husaini in Karach, Bombay, Basra and Karbala to the Mullaji’s name. He then sent his emissaries to trustees in Karach to sign the deed. The entire circumstances how trustees were compelled to sign the deed is most horrifying. Thus the biggest charitable institution was usurped by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin. The memorandum had asked the Governor of Bombay to inquire into the matter by reference to the collector of Karachi and said that “Your Excellency will be horrified to know the tricks and dangerous games played by the Mullaji with Faiz-e-Husaini knowing fully well the law of the country.”

The same Faiz-e-Husaini today under the absolute control of Sayedna Saheb has become an exclusive tour and travel agent for Dawoodi Bohras. Its original office in Bombay has been shifted from Moriswala Musafarkhana building to Mazgaon after the raid by the Enforcement Directorate and exposure of big Hawala Racket through 204 illegal Bank drafts worth Rs. 27 lacs in Oct. 1984. Today because of the very stakes involved Faiz-e-Husaini has been given so much importance that Bohras are made to believe as if there is no way to go to Haj, Umra and Ziyarat out side India except through Faiz and they ask “How do you organise Hajj?”

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Re: Past 2 Dai's era!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:45 pm

The earlier 'Dream project' was that of taking control of charitable "Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium", demolishing it and constructing a commercial public "Saifee Hospital" on its land. Advocate Abid Merchant and Mansoor Jani fought the Sanatorium Case up to the Supreme Court of India for 30 years. It was then that people came to know about the various frauds played by the criminals in holy garbs. They had played frauds with Bombay Municipal Corporation, Charity Commissioner, several banks and even with law courts and were likely to find their place in Jail. But with their power of purse they managed to skip.

In Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium case the unholy trustees (Yusuf Najmuddin, Saleh Safiuddin, Ali Asgar Kalimuddin etc.) had shown a Bank on the place where Sir Adamji's Masjid exists and a ladies lavatory in place where Sir Adamji's Turbat exists on the plans submitted to BMC for constructing a "Modern Commercial Complex". Those plans got rejected as the unholy trustees had shown the backside Bohra graveyard as parking space, the graveyard land was BMC's property. These plans were quitely submitted to BMC for approval when the Bohras were kept busy celebrating "Ali-Day" in Bombay.