Actually, the lack of evidence about a person's literacy would automatically mean the person is illiterate. You cannot have evidence demonstrating illiteracy. I am sure you are literate enough to know that. That is why people need degrees to prove their literacy. And the lack of one suggests illiteracy. Nothing prevents a person with a degree from being stupid though.I conclude that, as far as we know, there is no evidence either for or against Prophet's literacy.
Bohras on hadith of: Mohamed PBUH is city of knowledge
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Re: Bohras on hadith of: Mohamed PBUH is city of knowledge
anajmi wrote:Actually, the lack of evidence about a person's literacy would automatically mean the person is illiterate. You cannot have evidence demonstrating illiteracy.I conclude that, as far as we know, there is no evidence either for or against Prophet's literacy.
'Lack of evidence about a person's literacy' means that there is 'NO EVIDENCE ABOUT THAT PERSON'S LITERACY'. No more and no less.
Let me end this conversation by returning the compliment that you gave me earlier in the "In defence of the silent majority" thread.
Moron!
By the way, if a person does not feign 'illiteracy' and is otherwise 'sound of mind', present him with a written message that might betray his feelings, like "Your beloved son has just been killed in an accident" or "You are about to be shot" . No reaction would demonstrate illiteracy. Not 100%, I grant you.
Re: Bohras on hadith of: Mohamed PBUH is city of knowledge
I can work with that. There is no evidence of the prophet's literacy. We can close this case with that note.'Lack of evidence about a person's literacy' means that there is 'NO EVIDENCE ABOUT THAT PERSON'S LITERACY'. No more and no less.
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Re: Bohras on hadith of: Mohamed PBUH is city of knowledge
I came across an excerpt from an article which is relevant to the thread :-
In his last days the Rasool wanted to write down a decree to save Muslims from straying. But the Number Two (Hazrat Umar) barred him stating, Innarrajul liyahjur (This man is talking delirious). Hasbuna Kitabullah (Allah’s Book is sufficient for us.) (Muslim, Masnad Ahmad bin Hanbal etc)
[These very books claim that the companions were not present with the Rasool at the time of his death. Then, they also say that after this so-called Paper Episode, the Prophet lived three more days. Could he not write down the decree later? Could he not give verbal command for others to write? Why would he leave this Paper pending till the last days of his 22 plus years old Mission as the Prophet?]
In his last days the Rasool wanted to write down a decree to save Muslims from straying. But the Number Two (Hazrat Umar) barred him stating, Innarrajul liyahjur (This man is talking delirious). Hasbuna Kitabullah (Allah’s Book is sufficient for us.) (Muslim, Masnad Ahmad bin Hanbal etc)
[These very books claim that the companions were not present with the Rasool at the time of his death. Then, they also say that after this so-called Paper Episode, the Prophet lived three more days. Could he not write down the decree later? Could he not give verbal command for others to write? Why would he leave this Paper pending till the last days of his 22 plus years old Mission as the Prophet?]
Re: Bohras on hadith of: Mohamed PBUH is city of knowledge
May be, 'the man was talking delirious' from the time Umar noticed it until his death.ghulam muhammed wrote:I came across an excerpt from an article which is relevant to the thread :-
In his last days the Rasool wanted to write down a decree to save Muslims from straying. But the Number Two (Hazrat Umar) barred him stating, Innarrajul liyahjur (This man is talking delirious). Hasbuna Kitabullah (Allah’s Book is sufficient for us.) (Muslim, Masnad Ahmad bin Hanbal etc)
[These very books claim that the companions were not present with the Rasool at the time of his death. Then, they also say that after this so-called Paper Episode, the Prophet lived three more days. Could he not write down the decree later? Could he not give verbal command for others to write? Why would he leave this Paper pending till the last days of his 22 plus years old Mission as the Prophet?]
Seriously, when citing hadith, please indicate precise reference like chapter/verse number so that your readers do not have to search for it. That is only courteous.
First you say 'the paper episode' is in Hanbal's masnad. Then you term it the 'so-called paper episode' and declare Prophet lived 3 more days after the episode without any reference. No. 'They say' is not satisfactory. Please provide a proper reference.
"Why he did not give verbal command to write or why he waited 22 years and what was supposed to be the writing about etc.?" are speculations that need not concern us, the non-scholars, here. Although, if you have arrived at a researched conclusion, please share it with us.
Re: Bohras on hadith of: Mohamed PBUH is city of knowledge
Dear Golam Mohamed - baat samaz me aai ya nahi?
GM's argument - bone of contention -
(1) Sura Aaraf: 157 & 158,
(2) Sura Ankaboot: 48
In both above verses - Mohamed PBUH is referred by GM as illiterate. Lets assume he is correct.
Munira's argument - bone of contention -
Sura Nisa: 113 (Allah says: Allah taught thee (Mohamed) what thou Knewest not).
=> Check timeline: Both Sura Aaraf and Ankaboot were revealed in Mecca (revealed earlier in time). Where else Sura Nisa was revealed in Medina (revealed later in time). Hence, in Mecca he may not be knowing reading/writing. But the latest status of Mohamed PBUH after revelation of Sura Nisa is: Prophet Mohamed PBUH knew all faculties of knowledge including reading/writing any language, (with by default implied exceptions of knowledge that is prerogative to Allah alone - example knowledge of date/time of Qayamat, etc).
GM's argument - bone of contention -
(1) Sura Aaraf: 157 & 158,
(2) Sura Ankaboot: 48
In both above verses - Mohamed PBUH is referred by GM as illiterate. Lets assume he is correct.
Munira's argument - bone of contention -
Sura Nisa: 113 (Allah says: Allah taught thee (Mohamed) what thou Knewest not).
=> Check timeline: Both Sura Aaraf and Ankaboot were revealed in Mecca (revealed earlier in time). Where else Sura Nisa was revealed in Medina (revealed later in time). Hence, in Mecca he may not be knowing reading/writing. But the latest status of Mohamed PBUH after revelation of Sura Nisa is: Prophet Mohamed PBUH knew all faculties of knowledge including reading/writing any language, (with by default implied exceptions of knowledge that is prerogative to Allah alone - example knowledge of date/time of Qayamat, etc).