Indian Bohra, TRADERS or BRAHMINS?

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fustrate_Bohra
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Indian Bohra, TRADERS or BRAHMINS?

#1

Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:59 am

Salaam,

We are believed to be known as BOHRA because our ancestors were traders but their is one more belief which says that our ancestors were BRAHMANS (100 kg jenoi). So am confuse what actually our ancestors were. Were they were BOHRA (Traders) or BRAHMAN or both means Brhamin Traders who converted to DAWOODI.

Members please shed some light on this topic

Vas-Salaam.



Abuzer
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Unread post by Abuzer » Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:13 am

it is useless to tag whole community within a narrow vision, few where brahmins, few were other traders, few were muslims few came from yemen so its all mixed up thing.

Bohra community is not just made of one particular sect or people all have different backgrounds.



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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:14 am

Abuzer wrote:it is useless to tag whole community within a narrow vision, few where brahmins, few were other traders, few were muslims few came from yemen so its all mixed up thing.

Bohra community is not just made of one particular sect or people all have different backgrounds.
even i feel somewhat same but than our community is known as BOHRA means TRADERS so it means MAXIMUM people who were converted are TRADERS and very few brahmin have accepted BOHRA religion apart from other sect or background.



Abuzer
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Unread post by Abuzer » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:14 am

Salam,
:who is a true Muslim?
A man bought some rams to kill them as sacrifice. He takes them by the mosque in order to slay them and share their meat for those who were true Muslims.
He left the rams outside, & holding a big knife in his hand he entered the mosque shouting to the people:
- the one who is a true Muslim come out with me!
No one said anything, as they saw the knife, & did not know what he called them for.
A man went after him saying - I consider myself to be a true Muslim. He slew the ram & gave half of it to the man to take home.
He walked back into the mosque now holding a bleeding knife, & asked again: - is there any other true Muslim? - no one answered as they feared for their lives. Finally a man said: - let the Imam speak, he knows better who is a true Muslim.
- don't involve me - the Imam replied - I am only here to do a job I am paid for.
ws



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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:58 am

http://world.time.com/2013/08/27/what-d ... te-system/

What DNA Testing Reveals About India’s Caste System

Kumarasamy Thangaraj traveled 840 miles (1,350 km) off of the eastern coast of India by plane, then ship, then six hours by car, then ship again to collect blood samples from an isolated tribe of hunter-gatherers on the Andaman Islands. Their blood, he explained through an interpreter, would help him understand a pivotal moment in India’s genetic history. The tribesmen had never heard of a gene before or an academic study for that matter, and the whole pitch struck them as an interesting diversion from their usual routine of spearfishing.

“They mostly laughed,” Thangaraj says, before they offered up their arms in exchange for food. A few needle pricks later, they returned to their boats to fling short wooden spears into the water with uncanny aim, while Thangaraj made the long journey home to Hyderabad. He deposited the latest samples into a blood bank, alongside another 32,000 samples from his countrymen.

The collective bloodlines at the Centre for Cellular & Molecular Biology, India’s leading genetic-research institute, pose a unique riddle for researchers. On the one hand, geneticists can trace nearly all bloodlines back to two ancestral groups, one hailing from Africa, the other from Eurasia. These groups mingled, married and swapped genes. A mixture of their genetic material can be found in nearly every person on the subcontinent today.

But at some mysterious point in history, these braided bloodlines began to fray. The population divided along linguistic, religious and tribal lines, to the point where it separated into 4,635 distinct genetic groups. Europe and Asia look positively homogeneous in comparison, says Thangaraj. He and his collaborators at Harvard Medical School wanted to know when exactly the Indian melting pot stopped melting.

Their finding, recently published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, made waves when it was revealed that genetic mixing ended 1,900 years ago, around the same time the caste system was being codified in religious texts. The Manusmriti, which forbade intermarriage between castes, was written in the same period, give or take a century.

Thangaraj says the study shows only a correlation between the early caste system and the divergence of bloodlines, and whether one caused the other is a debate better left to historians. Nonetheless, it puts a stake in the ground, marking the moment when the belief that one should marry within one’s own group developed into an active practice.

He also doesn’t want the early signs of a caste system to overshadow another finding of his study — how completely the population mixed 2,000 years ago. He points to the Paliyar tribe in the foothills of southern India. Their villages are inaccessible by car, and outsiders cannot visit them without a government permit. “They’re still in the forest,” says Thangaraj, “but still they have some affinities with other groups. At some point in time, everybody was mixed.”

It’s a point that he stresses to anyone who wants to turn bloodlines into battle lines. On Aug. 15, on India’s independence day, a mob from the Rajput community in Bihar attacked men, women and children in the Dalit community. They beat them with rods, killing one and injuring 54. “Look, we were all brothers and sisters 2,000 years back,” Thangaraj says of this sort of violence, “why are you fighting now?” Although he did observe one notable outlier from the extended family: the spear-wielding fishermen of the Andaman Islands have no trace of the genetic mix that pervades the mainland. Proof that the only the thing that really could have stopped India’s ancestral populations from mixing was an 840-mile schlep to a remote tropical island.

http://world.time.com/2013/08/27/what-d ... te-system/



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:25 pm

fustrate_Bohra wrote:Salaam,

We are believed to be known as BOHRA because our ancestors were traders but their is one more belief which says that our ancestors were BRAHMANS (100 kg jenoi). So am confuse what actually our ancestors were. Were they were BOHRA (Traders) or BRAHMAN or both means Brhamin Traders who converted to DAWOODI.

Members please shed some light on this topic

Vas-Salaam.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6324&hilit=brahmins



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Unread post by Siddiqua » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:27 pm

Check point number 4 & 5 in: http://thebohras.com/page_10.html



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Unread post by Mkenya » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:20 pm

Indian Bohra, TRADERS or BRAHMINS?

Hum kaun theh, yeh bahez tau saalo se chal rahi hei.
Mujhe koi ye bataein key AB HUM KYA HO GAYE HEIN!



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Unread post by Fateh » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:32 am

Mkenya wrote:Indian Bohra, TRADERS or BRAHMINS?

Hum kaun theh, yeh bahez tau saalo se chal rahi hei.
Mujhe koi ye bataein key AB HUM KYA HO GAYE HEIN!
Yes i very well agree with your view point sir,lets bury the past & start thinking for future.