Innovations

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mustufa_no1
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Innovations

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Unread post by mustufa_no1 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:17 am

By the grace of Allah mighty Allah the only One Who guides us to right path, I would like to put light on Quran Chapter no. 9 verse no. 36 & 37 and Authentic Ahadith regarding the start & end of each month which says that start by sighting of new moon with naked eyes. This is followed by each & every Islamic country in the world. From where comes the misri calender which has different dates (not matching with lunar cycle of particular region/nation) ?, thereby disturbing all major events in a particular year.

Please understand this as great matter of concern.............

JazakAllahKhair

wise_guy
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by wise_guy » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:58 pm

Dude, misri calendar's 15th night or the night after the 14th day is always a full moon day. What do you talk that misri calendar is out of sync. In fact, the theory adopted by majority muslims of moon sighting that is flawed which causes differences in Eid day every year across the world. Whereas, all bohras celebrate Eid and other muslim occasions on the same day across the world, other muslims don't celebrate eid on the same day due to conflicts in moon sighting. Bohras fast for 30 days each year. Other muslims' fasting days are dependant on moon sighting. Tell me, who is more ordered, synced and standardized ?

wise_guy
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by wise_guy » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:03 pm

I guess the bohra haters and pro sunnis have no reply to this.. The silence of the original poster mustafa_no1 is palpable. Its been almost 15 days since the original post.

mustufa_no1
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by mustufa_no1 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:29 am

I was expecting an answer having references from Quran or Hadith.....

wise_guy
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by wise_guy » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:29 pm

mustufa_no1 wrote:I was expecting an answer having references from Quran or Hadith.....
I am giving you real example, one which can be seen with naked eyes (15th night of all months of misri calenders is a full moon day) what else u want :roll:

mustufa_no1
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by mustufa_no1 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:56 am

From which part of earth is that visible ?

hsnhussain
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by hsnhussain » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:27 am

If the Islamic calendar were prepared using astronomical calculations, Muslims throughout the Muslim world could use it to meet all their needs, the way they use the Gregorian calendar today. But, there are divergent views on whether it is licit to do so.

A majority of theologians oppose the use of calculations (beyond the constraint that each month must be not less than 29 nor more than 30 days) on the grounds that the latter would not conform with Muhammad's recommendation to observe the new moon of Ramadan and Shawal in order to determine the beginning of these months.

However, some jurists see no contradiction between Muhammad's teachings and the use of calculations to determine the beginnings of lunar months. They consider that Muhammad's recommendation was adapted to the culture of the times, and should not be confused with the acts of worship.

Thus the jurists Ahmad Muhammad Shakir and Yusuf al-Qaradawi both endorsed the use of calculations to determine the beginning of all months of the Islamic calendar, in 1939 and 2004 respectively. So did the "Fiqh Council of North America" (FCNA) in 2006 and the "European Council for Fatwa and Research" (ECFR) in 2007.

The major Muslim associations of France also announced in 2012 that they would henceforth use a calendar based on astronomical calculations, taking into account the criteria of the possibility of crescent sighting in any place on Earth.

Turkish Muslims also use an Islamic calendar which is calculated several years in advance (currently up to 1437 AH/2015 CE) by the Turkish Presidency of Religious Affairs (Diyanet Isleri Baskanligi). Since 1 Muharrem 1400 AH (21 November 1979) the computed Turkish lunar calendar is based on the following rule: “The lunar month is assumed to begin on the evening when, within some region of the terrestrial globe, the computed centre of the lunar crescent at local sunset is more than 5° above the local horizon and (geocentrically) more than 8° from the Sun.”

Fatimid Dawoodi Bohra and Qutbi Bohra a sub sect of Dawoodi Bohra follow the tabular Islamic calendar (see section below) prepared on the basis of astronomical calculations from the days of Fatimid imams.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar

zinger
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Unread post by zinger » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:32 am

mustufa_no1 wrote:From which part of earth is that visible ?
exactly. what is visible in UAE is not visible in India.

What is visible in USA is not visible in Australia.

For that matter, what is visible in Delhi and Lucknow is not visible in Mumbai and Hyderabad (case in point, Ramzan in 2011 when the moon was sighted in Delhi but not in Hyderabad)

In that case, a calendar would at least avoid confusion like that

hsnhussain
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by hsnhussain » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:36 am

mustufa_no1 wrote:From which part of earth is that visible ?
The new moon may be visible from some places on earth and be invisible on other parts at the same time.
To understand that you will have to learn how moon orbits around earth.


http://science.howstuffworks.com/dark-side-of-moon2.htm

Conscíous
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Re: Innovations

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Unread post by Conscíous » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:57 pm

mustufa_no1 wrote:From which part of earth is that visible ?
The darkside :lol: