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badrijanab
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Crux

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:23 am

Allah asked to prostrate to Aadam a.s. only when Allah blow his soul into Aadam. This indicates there is "noor" in Aadam.

Non-Bohras historian misunderstands Aadam came to earth approx 8000 years back! Only Bohra maslaq correctly understand that that Aadam was not that first person referred in above paragraph. Millions of years old human skeleton dug by archaeologist is proof that humans are much before 8000 years. Non-Bohras as usual are almost always on fault i.e. why Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. said all Islamic sects will doom in hell but one (Fatimi dawat).

That Aadam with "noor-a-Ilahi" and his son who inherited that noor is called Mustaqar Imam. It pass from father to son, till humans existence in world.

Ishaq a,s. was Mustoda nabi and Ismail a.s. was Mustaqar Imam. Mustoda are servant of Mustaqar. Ibrahim a.s. was Mustaqar Imam.

Through-out our era Aadam (8000 years back) till Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. all Mustoda Prophets have bore all the hardships of their era which actually should have borne by their lord Mustaqar Imams. Example) Prophet Yahaya a.s. was murdered by some 'moorkhanand' Anajmi of his era. all hardship borne by Mustoda Imams/Prophets.

Islamic Dogma: Blood for blood, eye for eye. If you have taken service then you have to give service. This is also called Qisaas. Mustaqar Imam have to give back the services of Mustoda to satisfy Islamic dogma.

Mohammad the leader (summation) of all Mustoda prophets from Aadam (8000 years back) through him. And Ameer-al-Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. is the leader (summation) of all Mustaqar Imam for same period.

Mohammad s.a.w.w. is appointed by Allah as the maalik and Ameer-al-mumineen is appointed as his brother and assistant. Ali a.s. served Mohammad s.a.w.w. thus the Qisaas is paid-off / completed.

When all Mustoda prophets and all Mustaqar Imam are present in one single time then their all enemies too are present at the same particular time so, those enemies who were murdered by mustoda & mustaqar's can take their Qisaas by murdering Panjatan a.s.

Etc, Etc, Etc, Mawiya and Yazeed are sum-total of all enemies of Islam for same above period.

Because that "noor a Ilahi" is present in the particular chain of son's of Aadam that is why religious leader of any era has to be only Mustaqar Imam. The infallible, because Allah noor is present in him. That was the reason not even highest degree of non-mumineen fanatic born till date could not produce even one tradition that proves if ever Ali a.s. has made even a single mistake.

anajmi
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Re: Crux

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:02 am

Actually, the prophet (saw) did not belong to the Fatemi dawat. So according to your brilliant logic, even the prophet (saw) will "doom in hell".

To understand the rest of what you have posted, I will have to wait for the hidden Imam to show up.

Sufi monk
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Re: Crux

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:51 am

badrijanab wrote:Allah asked to prostrate to Aadam a.s. only when Allah blow his soul into Aadam. This indicates there is "noor" in Aadam.

Non-Bohras historian misunderstands Aadam came to earth approx 8000 years back! Only Bohra maslaq correctly understand that that Aadam was not that first person referred in above paragraph. Millions of years old human skeleton dug by archaeologist is proof that humans are much before 8000 years. Non-Bohras as usual are almost always on fault i.e. why Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. said all Islamic sects will doom in hell but one (Fatimi dawat).

That Aadam with "noor-a-Ilahi" and his son who inherited that noor is called Mustaqar Imam. It pass from father to son, till humans existence in world.

Ishaq a,s. was Mustoda nabi and Ismail a.s. was Mustaqar Imam. Mustoda are servant of Mustaqar. Ibrahim a.s. was Mustaqar Imam.

Through-out our era Aadam (8000 years back) till Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. all Mustoda Prophets have bore all the hardships of their era which actually should have borne by their lord Mustaqar Imams. Example) Prophet Yahaya a.s. was murdered by some 'moorkhanand' Anajmi of his era. all hardship borne by Mustoda Imams/Prophets.

Islamic Dogma: Blood for blood, eye for eye. If you have taken service then you have to give service. This is also called Qisaas. Mustaqar Imam have to give back the services of Mustoda to satisfy Islamic dogma.

Mohammad the leader (summation) of all Mustoda prophets from Aadam (8000 years back) through him. And Ameer-al-Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. is the leader (summation) of all Mustaqar Imam for same period.

Mohammad s.a.w.w. is appointed by Allah as the maalik and Ameer-al-mumineen is appointed as his brother and assistant. Ali a.s. served Mohammad s.a.w.w. thus the Qisaas is paid-off / completed.

When all Mustoda prophets and all Mustaqar Imam are present in one single time then their all enemies too are present at the same particular time so, those enemies who were murdered by mustoda & mustaqar's can take their Qisaas by murdering Panjatan a.s.

Etc, Etc, Etc, Mawiya and Yazeed are sum-total of all enemies of Islam for same above period.

Because that "noor a Ilahi" is present in the particular chain of son's of Aadam that is why religious leader of any era has to be only Mustaqar Imam. The infallible, because Allah noor is present in him. That was the reason not even highest degree of non-mumineen fanatic born till date could not produce even one tradition that proves if ever Ali a.s. has made even a single mistake.
Bhai sahab,

I have few simple questions for you, kindly reply.

1) why would ALLAH keep every things in purdah and keep people in doubt, and would just give this "special knowledge" to few bohras?

2) why Muhammed(s) never discussed such thing in his life time?

3) who is haq naa dai at this moment?

4) whom do you support MS or SKQ?

awaiting reply....

badrijanab
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Re: Crux

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Unread post by badrijanab » Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:56 pm

1) why would ALLAH keep every things in purdah and keep people in doubt, and would just give this "special knowledge" to few bohras?
'Purdah' is self-imposed by you, and doesn't actually exist. Daimul Islam in the beginning pages where it discuss about knowledge says quoting Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w.: One will get what he sincerely desire and work on getting it. Should you desire to learn knowledge with Bohras you will get it, provided you do it sincerely.

Allah has keep the knowledge for all but the way people work it they don't take it in wholesale. Nooh was preaching despite being suffered injuries by same people whom he want to give rightful knowledge come into Islam and to board on his ark. Knowledge was there but its taker were very few, those handful on ark, rest didn't took it. Now you cannot blame Allah to have kept the knowledge in purdah!

Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. gave knowledge to archer not to leave their positions, but they didn't took Prophet's knowledge and went to loot the 'maal-a-ganimat'. Correct ilm of Mohammad s.a.w.w. was there but there were no takers for it. Though Mohammad s.a.w.w. was present but majority of world population during Prophet's era remained non-Muslim. You cannot now say, that Allah kept the knowledge in purdah.

Likewise, Moosa a.s. party was small and enemies were million fold more. Why have Allah kept the knowledge in Purdah and not educated military of Firaun?

To conclude: Knowledge learning opportunity is always there but there are no correct knowledge seeker opportunist. Fatimi Dawat has the correct and pure Islamic knowledge but unfortunately there are not much seeker of same same like in all cases above.
2) why Muhammed(s) never discussed such thing in his life time?
Your source of learning about Mohammad s.a.w.w. is corrupt i.e. Sihah Sitta, it was begged from public memory; which changed thousands of mouth and couples of hundreds of year before being correctly/incorrectly recorded by Bukhari and Muslim. They are self-proven to be severely contradictory thus they are nothing but pack of bundle of lies.

Mohammad s.a.w.w. said: Jannt is not for all, and almost all Muslim will go to hell except of one sect. Mohammad s.a.w.w. was the teacher of Primary class, cannot teach doctorate course to newly admitted Muslims they have to be taught the kindergarten course.Next class teacher was Mola Ali a.s. those who went to Ali a.s. for learning they got knowledge and Abde 1-2-3 were dropped out from the school of Islam so they think Mohammad s.a.w.w. never discussed such things in his life-time.
3) who is haq naa dai at this moment?
No one.
4) whom do you support MS or SKQ?
No one.

Further queries will not be answered by me. All the best.

Sufi monk
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Re: Crux

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:16 pm

how come ALLAH's noor suddenly went off?

if there is IMAM in world, there has to be a dai in world as well?

it shows all ur books and theology is Crap?

anajmi
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Re: Crux

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:51 pm

badrijanab says
'Purdah' is self-imposed by you, and doesn't actually exist.
Here is badrijanab saying the opposite.
By the same token, it applies for Allah (in purdah).
Jahil Joota Chappal (JC), Moosa was servant to Firaun for four decades, he remained in Purdah till right time came!
Imam-uz-zaman a.s. is in concealment.
Anajmi, If Allah can remain in pardah then why can't Imam, the authorized person from Allah?
Characteristics of Mustakar Imam: They are born as Imam, they are the supreme authority, infalliable, Masoom, he cannot make any mistakes, knows all faculties of knowledge, he know past; present and future and he is omnipotent. Son after father, this chain of Mustakar Imam will run without break, they go to seclusion (purdah) and otherwise as and when they deem fit. Example of Mustakar Imams) Nabi Ibrahim (a), Imam Ismail (a) ibn Prophet Ibrahim (a), Imam Molana Abi Talib (a), Molana Hussain (a), Imam Ismail (a) ibn Imam Jaffer Sadik (a), Imam Tayyeb (a), etc - this chain will keep on running without break till the last moment of humans on Earth.

Munira_RV
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Re: Crux

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Unread post by Munira_RV » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:39 pm

Deeni books are not in purdah, they are accessible freely to all who walk in Hathipole library run by us in Udaipur. Book are non-living being and rest all are living being. Books can't enforce who can and who cannot read it, thus there is no purdah on books. Allah, Ashab-al-Kahaf, Syedna Mohammad ( S ), Syedna Moosa (S), et al are living being and can subjectively enforce revelation and concealment to whom, how much and when as per their discretion.