The principles of Islam

Given modern distractions, the need to understand Islam better has never been more urgent. Through this forum we can share ideas and hopefully promote the true spirit of Islam which calls for peace, justice, tolerance, inclusiveness and diversity.
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The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:23 am

In the Name of Allah the Most Beneficent the Most Merciful
"Risalah Aslu Din Al-Islam wa Qa’idatuhu"
Shaykh al-Islam Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab said:
Aslu Din al-Islam and its principles are in two issues:

The first: The commandment of worshipping Allah alone Who has no partners, the incitation to
this, allying based on this and declaring takfir on whoever leaves this.


The second: Warning against shirk in the worship of Allah, being harsh in this, having enmity
based on this and declaring takfir on whoever commits this.



And those who oppose this are of several kinds.

The worst of them in opposition is the one who opposes all of this.
And among the people is the one who worships Allah alone but he has not rejected shirk and does
not show enmity toward its people.
And among them is the one who shows them enmity but does not declare takfir upon them.
And among them is the one who does not love tawhid nor does he hate it.
And among them is the one who declares takfir upon them (the Muslims) and claims that this
(tawhid) is cursing at the righteous.
And among them is the one who does not hate shirk nor does he love it.
And among them is the one who does not know shirk and does not reject it.
And among them is the one who does not know tawhid and does not reject it.
And among them – and he is the most dangerous kind – is the one who acts upon tawhid but does
not know its value. So he does not hate whoever leaves it nor does he declare takfir upon them.
And among them is the one who leaves shirk and hates it but he does not know its value, and he
does not show enmity towards its people nor does he declare takfir upon them.
And these have verily opposed what the prophets have come with from the religion of Allah –
subhanahu wa ta’ala – and Allah knows best.


for evidences refer:
http://al-aqeedah.com/images/books/asludeen.pdf

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:59 am

@mamajiwala , please read above pdf and let me know what is wrong with it?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:38 am

bro khokhawala
nothing wrong with anybodys beleif.
wrong only in believing that that is only the true belief and all others are fool. so should be killed if they do not submit

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:45 am

yes bro , but what if blatantly false allegations are put that "wahhabis" kill people if the other side does not agree with them?? Does DR Zakir Naik or anajmi kill people \ bohras for not believing in puritanical Islam?

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Unread post by KA786110 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:07 pm

khokawala wrote:yes bro , but what if blatantly false allegations are put that "wahhabis" kill people if the other side does not agree with them?? Does DR Zakir Naik or anajmi kill people \ bohras for not believing in puritanical Islam?
Are the two persons you named above the only wahabis left in this universe? Take out your head from the sand and look around and observe the works of wahabi indoctrinated groups. You will find your answers there.

"Let there be no compulsion in Religion: truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah (one God) has grasped the most trustworthy hand hold, that never breaks. and Allah hears, and knows all things."(Qur'an, Al-Baqarah 2:256)

The true principles of Islam are: Tolerance, Generosity, Forgiveness, Respect of human life etc. Go study and follow the seerat of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) not some 18th century demagogue's subversive writings.

You typed (most probably copy and pasted): "– and Allah knows best." Do they really believe in that. If they did, they would NOT be committing these heinous acts. They would be worried about their limited knowledge. Keep staring at "– and Allah knows best." and try to understand its implications to you and your cohorts.

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:21 pm

No , majority infact all "wahhabis" I know are far more peace full then any bohra. And they show tolerance and peaceful ness as mandated in the sharia. Can you just give me one personal example of a Wahhabi who asked you to bomb others?

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Unread post by KA786110 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:34 pm

khokawala wrote:No , majority infact all "wahhabis" I know are far more peace full then any bohra. And they show tolerance and peaceful ness as mandated in the sharia. Can you just give me one personal example of a Wahhabi who asked you to bomb others?
Get your head out of sand and look around you and see whose actions are demeaning Islam. You can keep repeating that mantra of wahabis being peaceful until the end of world and no-one will believe it. Again study up 'Seerat-e Rasool' and follow it not someone from 18th century whose purpose was not so pure.

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Unread post by fayyaaz » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:31 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:bro khokhawala
nothing wrong with anybodys beleif.
wrong only in believing that that is only the true belief and all others are fool. so should be killed if they do not submit
Mr mamajiwala, did you actually read what the evil Abdul Wahhab actually wrote as reproduced by his equally evil follower khokawala?

Read it again, slowly this time.

You must believe in One God and associate no partner with him and be an enemy to those who do not agree. That must include apostates and non-Muslims. And he lists various ways the crime can be identified by the likes of anajmi and his poodle khokawala as they have self-declared themselves to be instruments of God and Abdul Wahhab. They appropriate to themselves the right of God. They alone know the mind of God.

What do you do with the enemy you have thus identified? You kill him of course. And that is what extremist friends of anajmi and khokawala do all over the world.

What justification does this forum have for providing a platform to such evil ideas and their upholders?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:40 pm


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Unread post by KA786110 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:09 pm

fayyaaz wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:bro khokhawala
nothing wrong with anybodys beleif.
wrong only in believing that that is only the true belief and all others are fool. so should be killed if they do not submit
Mr mamajiwala, did you actually read what the evil Abdul Wahhab actually wrote as reproduced by his equally evil follower khokawala?

Read it again, slowly this time.

You must believe in One God and associate no partner with him and be an enemy to those who do not agree. That must include apostates and non-Muslims. And he lists various ways the crime can be identified by the likes of anajmi and his poodle khokawala as they have self-declared themselves to be instruments of God and Abdul Wahhab. They appropriate to themselves the right of God. They alone know the mind of God.

What do you do with the enemy you have thus identified? You kill him of course. And that is what extremist friends of anajmi and khokawala do all over the world.

What justification does this forum have for providing a platform to such evil ideas and their upholders?
@Fayyaaz: You and mamajiwala are on the same page. He does not agree with what boxwalla pasted in his post. Mamajiwalla is more accommodating and just simply said that anyone can believe what they want to but no-one has the right to impose their beliefs on another human being.

These whahabi wallas should meditate on this Quranic ayat (but alas their heads are in the sands of najad desert):

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (Sura 2:62)

God save us all form evil mongers.

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Unread post by KA786110 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:32 pm


Is this another attempt to divert the thread from its original topic?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:19 am

khokawala wrote:yes bro , but what if blatantly false allegations are put that "wahhabis" kill people if the other side does not agree with them?? Does DR Zakir Naik or anajmi kill people \ bohras for not believing in puritanical Islam?
bro khokha
zakir naik and anjami personally may not go out to kill--may be coz they dont have the resources.
but they are symphathetic to thier cause.
anjami has justified killings of paris and zakir naik has explicitly justified ban on tasleema nasrin and her book, though
she did not say anything against islam. only said against mullahs. he has publicly disapproved of sania mirza wearing short clothes and playing. i have heared it myself. if this is not pseudo killing then what it is? who is he to comment on anybodys dress? self appointed god? he may not go out to kill personally, but his lectures are inflammatory in nature and goes against the principle of secular india and encourages his followers to discriminate against non muslims

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Unread post by khokawala » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:06 am

bro this is double standard , they also have the right to condemn and speak out against indecency. Dr zakir naik RA does this in the most respectable and civil way, have you heard his lectures? can you point just one paragraph that he spoken in a non civil manner.?

All "wahhabis"/ are peaceful as mandated by Sharia. PERIOD

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:32 am

right to condemn and speak out against indecency?--wow
according to whom? his perverted belief?
what if someone doesnt subscribe to his belief?
according to his belief, he is asking for ban on tasleema nasrin?
then according to my belief, i am asking a ban on him.
would that suit u?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:40 am

if someone doesnt like a book, or someones dressing sense," the peaceful way of saying as mandated by sharia" would be i dont like how u dress or i dont like ur book instead of saying, coz i do not like it, u should change ur dressing or ur book should be banned

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Unread post by Humsafar » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:23 am

khokawala wrote:bro this is double standard , they also have the right to condemn and speak out against indecency. Dr zakir naik RA does this in the most respectable and civil way, have you heard his lectures? can you point just one paragraph that he spoken in a non civil manner.?

All "wahhabis"/ are peaceful as mandated by Sharia. PERIOD
Oh no, another acolyte of Zakir Naik. He brainswashes gullible minds in the most civil manner, for sure.

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:40 am

khokawala wrote:All "wahhabis"/ are peaceful as mandated by Sharia. PERIOD
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/01/1 ... -de/202086
Listen to Reza Aslan about the role of Saudi Arabia and its Wahabi practices.
Reza is more scholarly then Zakir Naik.

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:18 pm

Reza is just an appologist and what "wahhbis" call as "coconut Muslim"

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Unread post by khokawala » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:20 pm

Saudi agreed is now corrupted and it is the need to free the haramayn from their clutches and restore it to Pure muslims on QURAN and sunnah.

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Unread post by khokawala » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:26 pm

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ―Upton Sinclair

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:46 pm

khokawala wrote:Reza is just an appologist and what "wahhbis" call as "coconut Muslim"
Really No wonder Wahabis call him coconut Muslim BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT ALL THE WAHABIS AND SALAFIS ARE :twisted:
Reza only 3 post doctorate in theology from Harvard as again self appointed Naik no theological background except what Saudi Arabia Fed him and bankrolled his empire.

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Unread post by Biradar » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:13 pm

khokawala wrote:
The first: The commandment of worshipping Allah alone Who has no partners, the incitation to
this, allying based on this and declaring takfir on whoever leaves this.


The second: Warning against shirk in the worship of Allah, being harsh in this, having enmity
based on this and declaring takfir on whoever commits this.
If these are the principles of Islam, it is best not to be Muslim. The reasons for this are several, but, first, notice two things these so-called "principles" do. First, they put emphasis on an unprovable abstraction (shirk). Second, they put emphasis on being harsh and doing takfir (excommunication). Both of these have pushed the Salafi/Wahabbi factions into extremism

In reality, the principles of Islam are several. The key is embodied in the verse we recite very day, "bismillah al-rahman al-rahim". The obvious thing to notice here, unlike the harsh and abstract concepts of Whabbis, the emphasis is on doing things in the name of Allah, who is Most Gracious and Most Merciful. Contrast this with the whole "being harsh" and "doing takfir".

Secondly, the two concepts, prayer and charity are tied together at many places in the Quran. In the most basic sense, prayer is actually an act of humility, and not of worship. (One may say worship is humility). I.e, in prayer a man realizes that independent of how powerful or wealthy he is, he is just a small individual in this vast cosmos, over which he has no or little control. In prayer, we are all equal, i.e. there is no special prayer or pews for the powerful, and king, billionaire and pauper all pray in exact the same way. Charity is fundamental to Islam, as it made compulsory. Charity is not possible without empathy and love. A person who gives freely, by definition, loves his fellow human beings and other creatures. Hence, here the principle is really that of love and empathy.

To summarize: the principles are (a) doing things in the name of Allah (b) recognition of the two key attributes of Allah, i.e. ar-rahman and ar-rahim (c ) humility (d) love and empathy.

As one may say, Allah does know best, certainly much better than the fanatic Ibn Wahab.

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Unread post by KA786110 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:05 pm

SBM wrote:
khokawala wrote:Reza is just an appologist and what "wahhbis" call as "coconut Muslim"
Really No wonder Wahabis call him coconut Muslim BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT ALL THE WAHABIS AND SALAFIS ARE :twisted:
Reza only 3 post doctorate in theology from Harvard as again self appointed Naik no theological background except what Saudi Arabia Fed him and bankrolled his empire.
No wonder Naik is so excited about wahabi filth. The more he spews out that filth the more money he gets from his masters in SA. :P

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Unread post by KA786110 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:12 pm

Biradar wrote:
khokawala wrote:
The first: The commandment of worshipping Allah alone Who has no partners, the incitation to
this, allying based on this and declaring takfir on whoever leaves this.


The second: Warning against shirk in the worship of Allah, being harsh in this, having enmity
based on this and declaring takfir on whoever commits this.
If these are the principles of Islam, it is best not to be Muslim. The reasons for this are several, but, first, notice two things these so-called "principles" do. First, they put emphasis on an unprovable abstraction (shirk). Second, they put emphasis on being harsh and doing takfir (excommunication). Both of these have pushed the Salafi/Wahabbi factions into extremism

In reality, the principles of Islam are several. The key is embodied in the verse we recite very day, "bismillah al-rahman al-rahim". The obvious thing to notice here, unlike the harsh and abstract concepts of Whabbis, the emphasis is on doing things in the name of Allah, who is Most Gracious and Most Merciful. Contrast this with the whole "being harsh" and "doing takfir".

Secondly, the two concepts, prayer and charity are tied together at many places in the Quran. In the most basic sense, prayer is actually an act of humility, and not of worship. (One may say worship is humility). I.e, in prayer a man realizes that independent of how powerful or wealthy he is, he is just a small individual in this vast cosmos, over which he has no or little control. In prayer, we are all equal, i.e. there is no special prayer or pews for the powerful, and king, billionaire and pauper all pray in exact the same way. Charity is fundamental to Islam, as it made compulsory. Charity is not possible without empathy and love. A person who gives freely, by definition, loves his fellow human beings and other creatures. Hence, here the principle is really that of love and empathy.

To summarize: the principles are (a) doing things in the name of Allah (b) recognition of the two key attributes of Allah, i.e. ar-rahman and ar-rahim (c ) humility (d) love and empathy.

As one may say, Allah does know best, certainly much better than the fanatic Ibn Wahab.
Great post Biradar.

But as a poet has aptly said:
Phool ki patti se kat sakta hai heeray ka jigar
Mard-e-naadaan par kalaam-e-naram o naazuk bay-asar


These wahabi/salafi people are blind from their hearts. Alas they see but do not perceive, they hear but do not comprehend.

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by KA786110 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:17 pm

khokawala wrote:“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ―Upton Sinclair
Great quote. Very accurate description of all wahabi/salafi nut cases.

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Unread post by Humsafar » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:35 pm

Biradar wrote: To summarize: the principles are (a) doing things in the name of Allah (b) recognition of the two key attributes of Allah, i.e. ar-rahman and ar-rahim (c ) humility (d) love and empathy.
There is one more (e) Justice.

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:45 am

these people always insist on Quran and sunnah.
sunnah is fabricated and has been tamapered with ummayyads.
so lets focus on Quran.
if u read the entire Quran,
i have read it with translation.
what i found was it is mentioned many times like allah likes mohsenin.
allah likes to help poor, needy, traveller.
allah is all aware of what u do in concealment and what is in ur heart and intention.
allah likes who do not do fitna and abuse.
and many more such verses.
in modern terms i will term all this together as "being gud human being".
in fact this being gud human being is mentioned many times more than to establish salah and zakat.
so the fundamentals as i see is being gud human being is more imp than only to ritually pray salah, which is not even mentioned how to pray it.
i am not demeaning the importance of salah, it is made obligatory that we bow down to allah and submit in humility and recognise his supreme power over everything.
but by not being gud human being, this all has no meaning whatsoever.
now consider salafi ideology.
are they gud human being at all?
forcefully enforcing their law---is it gud human being?
forcefully marry without her consent, just by his guardian consent----is it sign of gud human being?
imposing ones view over others---is it sign of gud human being?
discriminating against non muslims --- is it sign of gud human being?
there are many more things and can go on and on.
simply put they dont follow Quran which has mentioned being gud human being more than only to pray salah.

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:16 am

KA786110 wrote:
khokawala wrote:“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ―Upton Sinclair
Great quote. Very accurate description of all wahabi/salafi nut cases.

Thanks , but it fits on dawoodi bakras like you and even the progressives , who just want to remain in the fold inspite of lamenting and proving in this forum itself that bohra sect is false, I myself changed thanks to this forum. I also found many ex bohras who left it not for money but for the sake of god, the bohras \reformists are inside the fold because its their vested interest, abdes are correct to call you munafiq by not accepting your leader. A very common allegation is put that people change to "wahhabi" because they are paid, this is blatantly false , have you seen islamhelpline.com the author himself is now a islamic preacher.

And regarding the first post please see the evidences by reading the pdf above before commenting

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:31 am

Thanks bro for sharing your feedback and criticisms, Islam has charity, peace, all the good stuff agreed but this is shared by all humanity and Islam too. But here the discussion is about distinct principles of Islam which are uniquely identifiable.

The prophet pbuh after hijrah fought for la ilaha illallah.
Biradar wrote:
khokawala wrote:
The first: The commandment of worshipping Allah alone Who has no partners, the incitation to
this, allying based on this and declaring takfir on whoever leaves this.


The second: Warning against shirk in the worship of Allah, being harsh in this, having enmity
based on this and declaring takfir on whoever commits this.
If these are the principles of Islam, it is best not to be Muslim. The reasons for this are several, but, first, notice two things these so-called "principles" do. First, they put emphasis on an unprovable abstraction (shirk). Second, they put emphasis on being harsh and doing takfir (excommunication). Both of these have pushed the Salafi/Wahabbi factions into extremism
Tawheed is the principle of islam, those who deny are certainly not muslims agreed. what you call " unprovable abstraction (shirk)" is not an abstraction , if it were and unprovable the prophet pbuh and sahaba would not have fought the various battles. SHirk is simply: worshipping gairullah , and worship includes dua, prayer, sajda etc. What abstraction are you talking about?


In reality, the principles of Islam are several. The key is embodied in the verse we recite very day, "bismillah al-rahman al-rahim". The obvious thing to notice here, unlike the harsh and abstract concepts of Whabbis, the emphasis is on doing things in the name of Allah, who is Most Gracious and Most Merciful. Contrast this with the whole "being harsh" and "doing takfir".
To summarize: the principles are (a) doing things in the name of Allah (b) recognition of the two key attributes of Allah, i.e. ar-rahman and ar-rahim (c ) humility (d) love and empathy.
agreed both above are not the only principles of islam rather they are the branches of the 2 principles. Allah also has the attributes of Al qahar (the most anger) and gairil magzoobe ... means Allahs wrath upon Jews and christian and Mushrikeen.


Islam is not zen, you are brainwashed by the constant phycological feeds meeted out to its readers by the media. IN ISLAM quran and sunnah are the only sources for Islamic theology.
As one may say, Allah does know best, certainly much better than the fanatic Ibn Wahab.
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agreed Allah alone knows best, which is why it causes the haq to prevail over falsehood.

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Re: The principles of Islam

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Unread post by khokawala » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:48 am

@mamaji sunnah is as preserved as how quran is.