Gunmen in Pakistan kill 43 in attack on bus carrying religious minority

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Gunmen in Pakistan kill 43 in attack on bus carrying religious minority

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Unread post by salim » Wed May 13, 2015 4:03 pm

Gunmen on motorbikes attacked a bus carrying members of a religious minority in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi on Wednesday, killing 43 people and wounding 19 others, hospital officials said.

Six attackers used 9 mm pistols to shoot at the people on the bus, police said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/asia/pakistan-bus-attack/

Feeling sad - :( :( :(

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Unread post by salim » Wed May 13, 2015 4:05 pm

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If people have made mistakes, forgive them their mistakes. If people have harmed you, forget and forgive. Do not hold grudges, do not turn around and say, "he hurt me yesterday, so I will hurt him today". This is not the spirit of Islam. - His Highness The Aga Khan

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Unread post by salim » Wed May 13, 2015 5:37 pm

RAW FOOTPRINT SEEN IN ISMAILI MASSACRE
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/05 ... -massacre/


Jundullah and Islamic State claim responsibility for dastardly attack in separate statements
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/05 ... -shooting/

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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Wed May 13, 2015 7:55 pm

http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2015/05/13 ... s-pakistan

What a difference between ignoramuses of the world and some fools in this forum and the civilised world.

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Unread post by KA786110 » Wed May 13, 2015 10:33 pm

Words cannot express the grief. These are absolutely not acts of true Muslims.

Allah give souls of these innocent victims eternal peace. May Allah give their families and friends solace and strength. Amen.

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed May 13, 2015 11:32 pm

This is a travesty. The killers are sinners and will be in hell inshaallah.

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Unread post by topiwala » Thu May 14, 2015 12:09 am

anajmi wrote:This is a travesty. The killers are sinners and will be in hell inshaallah.
Look who is speaking ,it is your wahhabi community who has done this in fact wahhabis are competing to claim responsibility!. You like them has already declared that we are idol worshippers so why this fake consolence ? just to gain symphaty for wahhabi on bohra forum? On one hand you say we are idolaters , and Quran does say to kill idolaters etc in a war. So what remaining excuse you have??

Also there was some poster recently who posted many posts against Ismailis called them idolaters , maligned the aga khan etc.. If this much hatred you have then why these double standards?

So rather than all this fake apologies ,do the real thing : stop telling us that we do shirk and that we are idolaters, and I know you wont.

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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Thu May 14, 2015 10:46 pm

Please let us not make this tragedy worse. We are all hurting. Best thing for us to do would be to follow our Imam's advice in the above post, posted by Salim.

Innalillahi wa Inaillahi rajiun.

May Allah SWT rest the souls of the deceased in eternal Peace. Ameen.


It is time to heal. We have been asked to establish special prayers for 7 days around the world for all our brothers and sisters of the Ummah, and people of other faiths in the world caught in wars.


This tragedy has got nothing to do with Islam. This is jahaliyat. If you loved God, you would not do this because we are all His creation and those who destroy His creation will earn his wrath.

May Allah SWT give the Jahaliyas of the world Taufeeq.

Ameen.

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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Thu May 14, 2015 11:02 pm

More on the attack if somebody is interested. Whole world is shocked.

We appreciate words of condolences from everybody. We should come together. This is a real tragedy.

http://www.mfa.gov.tr/no_-152_-13-may-2 ... chi.en.mfa

http://tribune.com.pk/story/885511/five ... n-karachi/

http://www.mfa.gov.tr/no_-152_-13-may-2 ... chi.en.mfa

http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2 ... _01_en.htm

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Fri May 15, 2015 12:51 am

Innalillahi wa Inaillahi rajiun.

Brother,

We are deeply saddened by this tragedy. May Allah give sabr to the relatives and jannat to the deceased. And may Allah put some sense in the brain of the extremists, and bring this deeply troubled Muslim ummah to at least learn to live peacefully with each other.

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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Sun May 17, 2015 4:16 pm

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:Innalillahi wa Inaillahi rajiun.

Brother,

We are deeply saddened by this tragedy. May Allah give sabr to the relatives and jannat to the deceased. And may Allah put some sense in the brain of the extremists, and bring this deeply troubled Muslim ummah to at least learn to live peacefully with each other.

Thanks for your kind words.

This is what Imam of a Mosque said. I wish other Imams would teach this to their congregations and we would be all Happy.

“Life is utterly sacred in all Faiths, and in Islam it has a special sanctity that outweighs the holiness of all sacred spaces, so much so that for the Ka’bah to crumble into dust is less a concern than that for one drop of innocent blood to be spilled! I am saddened by the senseless loss of life around the world, each soul is special, every life is important.”

- Mohamad Jebara, Chief Imam, Resident Scholar, Cordova Spiritual Education Center

And this from another Human Being:

In the past decade, I have visited Aga Khan projects in East Africa, India, Central Asia and Pakistan. I’ve walked the slums of Karachi, Nairobi and Delhi with dedicated Aga Khan workers and volunteers, seeing them bring hope to areas where the Taliban would bring none.


Today, I weep for the innocent victims on that bus in Karachi. To those who buy into the despicable narrative that paints all practitioners of Islam with the same brush, I can only despair.

– Robert Remington is a Victoria, B.C.-based writer and author


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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 17, 2015 11:48 pm

It has been reported that RAW was responsible for these terrorist attacks. Which is certainly more believable. I have many pakistani "wahhabi" friends and not one of them was happy about this. They were all shocked that a peace loving community could be targeted like this in the name of Islam. Enemies of islam doing it to further spread the hatred of islam is certainly a more plausible explanation.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon May 18, 2015 1:23 am

certainly
isis is also creation of RAW
saudi monarchy is puppet of RAW

till now we were hearing of western powers

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon May 18, 2015 1:26 am

who exactly are enemies of islam?
followers of ibn taimiya, hasan alabanna, mohammad bin adbul wahab are the most purified souls on this earth.

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Unread post by KA786110 » Mon May 18, 2015 7:37 am

anajmi wrote:It has been reported that RAW was responsible for these terrorist attacks. Which is certainly more believable. I have many pakistani "wahhabi" friends and not one of them was happy about this. They were all shocked that a peace loving community could be targeted like this in the name of Islam. Enemies of islam doing it to further spread the hatred of islam is certainly a more plausible explanation.
You would believe that wouldn't you. You are more gullible than I thought.

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Unread post by SBM » Mon May 18, 2015 8:13 am

anajmi wrote:It has been reported that RAW was responsible for these terrorist attacks. Which is certainly more believable. I have many pakistani "wahhabi" friends and not one of them was happy about this. They were all shocked that a peace loving community could be targeted like this in the name of Islam. Enemies of islam doing it to further spread the hatred of islam is certainly a more plausible explanation.
Br Anjami
Do you really believe this crap about RAW. Even the Indian haters of Pakistan rulers did not blame RAW,
The matter of truth is Punjabi klan of Nawaz Sharif does not care about Sindh and could care less if Karachi becomes a deserted city.
None of the Western Airlines fly to Karachi.
It seems that as Muslims we do not take responsibilities of our own people and easily blame some one else and if we run out of the people to blame we just dump it on Allah by saying
ALLAHA NI MARZI CHEY BHAI

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon May 18, 2015 8:17 am

Well i believe some muslims are just eager to blame muslims for it all. Have you ever wondered why all the fools are supposed to be muslims? Why are yoi a muslim? Are you smarter than the other muslims?

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Unread post by SBM » Mon May 18, 2015 10:39 am

anajmi wrote:Well i believe some muslims are just eager to blame muslims for it all. Have you ever wondered why all the fools are supposed to be muslims? Why are yoi a muslim? Are you smarter than the other muslims?
Unfortunately in the current situation if you look around, We as Muslims have brought lot upon ourselves
Whether it is Abdes/Amtes who are providing the wrong image of Islam or be is Sunnis of Middle East or Shias of Iraq who are bent of killing each other (all Muslims) in the name of TRUE ISLAM?
You live in USA and I am sure you must have noticed there are more MUSSALAS opening around the existing Masaajids just because few people in that Masjid did not agree with each others belief (mind well it is all about Islamic Cultural or different school of Madhab)
Majority of Islamic Centers and Schools in USA are facing financial problem and still we continue fighting with each other and try to show I am better then you. I am sure you are aware of Muslim Organizations are popping up ever day in USA many of them are just duplicating each other just to compete and put others down. So are all these people who are competing to open new organizations/Massallaha are smart Muslim or just EGO MANIACS. Remember one more thing they are all competing for same donors too
Sometimes you have to look introvert before throwing blame on others.

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Unread post by dawedaar » Mon May 18, 2015 12:14 pm

Not to offend anybody but the Khojas/Ismailis are also characterized by opulent and modern westernized lifestyles, some of which can be considered un Islamic. You cannot say Khojas are muslims if you see them, the way they dress (women are known to wear modern skimpy clothes, partying etc.) Yes, it is none of my business and I don't care a damn about however the Khojas live, but again in a conservative and impoverished country like Pakistan, that can be considered as sacrilegious.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 18, 2015 5:28 pm

Why the Ismailis?

Al-Qaeda-linked groups have set their eyes on the Shia Ismailis who contribute significantly to the country’s economic growth, in a bid to cause diplomatic tensions for Islamabad with their spiritual leader Prince Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan, analysts told The News on Wednesday.

At least 44 people were killed when a bus carrying members of the Ismaili community was attacked by gunmen near Safoora Chowrangi.

Prince Karim Aga Khan has been a major source of development funds for the country.

Naimat Khan, a veteran journalist, said the Ismailis, along with the Bohra community, were on the hit-list of al-Qaeda-linked groups in the city.

“The bus attack has international significance because of the community’s spiritual leader,” he noted.

This can be gauged from the fact that Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif cancelled his three-day visit to Sri Lanka following the attack and arrived in Karachi, and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif too rushed to the city in the evening after an all-parties conference on the Pak-China Economic Corridor.

The Ismaili community has been targeted in Karachi in the past as well but Wednesday’s attack was the bloodiest of them.

In 2013, the community’s jamatkhanas were attacked in Metroville and Karimabad in which two of its members were killed and many others injured.

Who was responsible?

Although the Jundullah, a terrorist group, has claimed responsibility for the attack, a section of analysts and police officers believe otherwise.

Ahmed Marwat, the spokesperson for the Jundullah, told the media that his group had carried out the attack and would continue targeting Shias, Ismailis, Christians and other communities.

In November last year, the group held talks with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and pledged loyalty to the Middle-Eastern terrorist organisation.

The Jundullah had claimed credit for many terrorist attacks in the past. The most recent one of them was the attack on Maulana Fazlur Rehman, the chief of the Jamiat-e-Ulema Islam-Fazl, in Quetta in October last year.

It had claimed responsibility for the murder of Samiullah Khan Afridi, the lawyer of Dr Shakil Afridi, who helped the US find Osama bin Laden, and the attacks on a Shia mosque in Rawalpindi and an imambargah in Shikarpur earlier this year.

The group had also said it was responsible for the attack on the Wagah border crossing in Lahore in November last year.

Some ISIS pamphlets were found at the scene of the Safoora Chowrangi bus attack, both in English and Urdu, in which the terrorist group vowed to continue targeting the Shia community.

Security analysts and police officials say that they have witnessed many contradictory claims by different terrorist organisations in the past.

“So claiming responsibility doesn’t necessarily establish that the group did it,” Khan told The News.

On the basis of the pattern and forensic reports, Khan believes that it is the work of al Qaeda or a group associated with it. “It [al Qaeda] mostly doesn’t claim responsibility,” he said. “An ISIS pamphlet was found at the site where American professor Debra Lobo was attacked too. But it later turned out to be carried out by an al Qaeda group comprising educated youths.”

Muhammad Amir Rana, the director of Pak Institute for Peace Studies (PIPS), believes that the Jundullah, which is active in Balochistan and rural Sindh, might be behind the attack.

“The group is associated with the ISIS and involved in recent subversive attacks in Balochistan and Sindh,” he observed.

A senior police officer says that it is very hard to identify which group was involved in the attack.

“We are witnessing new styles and new players in such attacks and it is a growing concern for the law enforcement agencies,” he noted.

Targeting a certain community in buses has happened in the past in Balochistan and Gilgit-Baltistan.

In 2004, militants attacked a bus carrying Shia employees of the Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission, the national space agency.

Ongoing operation

Some police officials say that the focus of the operation against in criminals in Karachi has primarily been on political parties involved in violent activities, criminal syndicates and different factions of the TTP.

“It is true that we have shattered the networks of all three factions of Taliban militants by killing or arresting their key leaders in the city,” said the police official. “But the case of sectarian groups is different as they operate under the cover of sect-based religious parties,” he added.

The highest number of sectarian attacks in a region of Pakistan in 2014 took place in Karachi. In 82 attacks, 72 people were killed and 64 others injured, according to the PIPS annual security report.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-4 ... e-Ismailis?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue May 19, 2015 2:40 am

dawedaar wrote: cannot say Khojas are muslims if you see them, the way they dress (women are known to wear modern skimpy clothes, partying etc.)
what has dress to do with islam?
there is no dress code in quran.
it is all wahabi invention and we are following mindlessly saying islamic dress and non-islamic dress

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue May 19, 2015 5:07 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:
dawedaar wrote: cannot say Khojas are muslims if you see them, the way they dress (women are known to wear modern skimpy clothes, partying etc.)
what has dress to do with islam?
there is no dress code in quran.
it is all wahabi invention and we are following mindlessly saying islamic dress and non-islamic dress
Praise be to Allaah.
Verses that have to do with hijab:

1 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”

[al-Noor 24:31]

2 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And as for women past childbearing who do not expect wedlock, it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment. But to refrain (i.e. not to discard their outer clothing) is better for them. And Allaah is All‑Hearer, All‑Knower”

[al-Noor 24:60]

“Women past childbearing” are those who no longer menstruate, so they can no longer get pregnant or bear children.

We shall see below the words of Hafsah bint Sireen and the way in which she interpreted this verse.

3 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

4 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet’s houses, unless permission is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allaah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allaah’s Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (his death). Verily, with Allaah that shall be an enormity”

[al-Ahzaab 33:53]

With regard to the Ahaadeeth:

1 – It was narrated from Safiyyah bint Shaybah that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) used to say: When these words were revealed – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – they took their izaars (a kind of garment) and tore them from the edges and covered their faces with them.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4481. The following version was narrated by Abu Dawood (4102):

May Allaah have mercy on the Muhaajir women. When Allaah revealed the words “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)”, they tore the thickest of their aprons (a kind of garment) and covered their faces with them.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Ameen al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This hadeeth clearly states that what the Sahaabi women mentioned here understood from this verse – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – was that they were to cover their faces, and that they tore their garments and covered their faces with them, in obedience to the command of Allaah in the verse where He said “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” which meant covering their faces. Thus the fair-minded person will understand that woman’s observing hijab and covering her face in front of men is established in the saheeh Sunnah that explains the Book of Allaah. ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) praised those women for hastening to follow the command of Allaah given in His Book. It is known that their understanding of the words “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” as meaning covering the face came from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because he was there and they asked him about everything that they did not understand about their religion. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Qur’aan)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought”

[al-Nahl 16:44]

Ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari: There is a report of Ibn Abi Haatim via ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Uthmaan ibn Khaytham from Safiyyah that explains that. This report says: We mentioned the women of Quraysh and their virtues in the presence of ‘Aa’ishah and she said: “The women of Quraysh are good, but by Allaah I have never seen any better than the women of the Ansaar, or any who believed the Book of Allaah more strongly or had more faith in the Revelation. When Soorat al-Noor was revealed – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – their menfolk came to them and recited to them what had been revealed, and there was not one woman among them who did not go to her apron, and the following morning they prayed wrapped up as if there were crows on their heads. It was also narrated clearly in the report of al-Bukhaari narrated above, where we see ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who was so knowledgeable and pious, praising them in this manner and stating that she had never seen any women who believed the Book of Allaah more strongly or had more faith in the Revelation. This clearly indicates that they understood from this verse – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – that it was obligatory to cover their faces and that this stemmed from their belief in the Book of Allaah and their faith in the Revelation. It also indicates that women’s observing hijab in front of men and covering their faces is an act of belief in the Book of Allaah and faith in the Revelation. It is very strange indeed that some of those who claim to have knowledge say that there is nothing in the Qur’aan or Sunnah that says that women have to cover their faces in front of non-mahram men, even though the Sahaabi women did that in obedience to the command of Allaah in His Book, out of faith in the Revelation, and that this meaning is also firmly entrenched in the Sunnah, as in the report from al-Bukhaari quoted above. This is among the strongest evidence that all Muslim women are obliged to observe hijab.

Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 6/594-595.

2 – It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah that the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to go out at night to al-Manaasi’ (well known places in the direction of al-Baqee’) to relieve themselves and ‘Umar used to say to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Let your wives be veiled.” But the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do that. Then one night Sawdah bint Zam’ah, the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), went out at ‘Isha’ time and she was a tall woman. ‘Umar called out to her: “We have recognized you, O Sawdah!” hoping that hijab would be revealed, then Allaah revealed the verse of hijab.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 146; Muslim, 2170.

3 – It was narrated from Ibn Shihaab that Anas said: I am the most knowledgeable of people about hijab. Ubayy ibn Ka’b used to ask me about it. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married Zaynab bint Jahsh, whom he married in Madeenah, he invited the people to a meal after the sun had risen. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sat down and some men sat around him after the people had left, until the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood up and walked a while, and I walked with him, until he reached the door of ‘Aa’ishah’s apartment. Then he thought that they had left so he went back and I went back with him, and they were still sitting there. He went back again, and I went with him, until he reached the door of ‘Aa’ishah’s apartment, then he came back and I came back with him, and they had left. Then he drew a curtain between me and him, and the verse of hijab was revealed.

Al-Bukhaari, 5149; Muslim, 1428.

4 – It was narrated from ‘Urwah that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray Fajr and the believing women would attend (the prayer) with him, wrapped in their aprons, then they would go back to their houses and no one would recognize them.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 365; Muslim, 645.

5 – It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (S) in ihraam, and when they drew near to us we would lower our jilbabs from our heads over our faces, then when they had passed we would uncover them again.

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1833; Ibn Maajah, 2935; classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah (4,203) and by al-Albaani in Kitaab Jilbaab al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah.

6 – It was narrated that Asma’ bint Abi Bakr said: We used to cover our faces in front of men.

Narrated by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/203; al-Haakim, 1/624. He classed it as saheeh and al-Dhahabi agreed with him. It was also classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Jilbaab al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah.

7 – It was narrated that ‘Aasim al-Ahwaal said: We used to enter upon Hafsah bint Sireen who had put her jilbab thus and covered her face with it, and we would say to her: May Allaah have mercy on you. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And as for women past childbearing who do not expect wedlock, it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment” [al-Noor 24:60]. And she would say to us: What comes after that? We would say: “But to refrain (i.e. not to discard their outer clothing) is better for them”. And she would say: That is confirming the idea of hijab.

Narrated by al-Bayhaqi, 7/93.

For more information please see Question no. 6991.

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Unread post by SBM » Tue May 19, 2015 8:04 pm

Br MF
Lot of the things which are in Parenthesis are the interpretation of the people. Quran never specified specific parts of the body neither did it specify about Niqab,
Many of the things you mentioned in parenthesis is again one's opinion of what they think Quran is trying to tell us. So again Quran has commanded to cover your private parts and dress modestly but many of our ULEMAAS have provided their own interpretation and made a very flexible religion a very rigid religion,

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue May 19, 2015 10:21 pm

SBM wrote:Br MF
Lot of the things which are in Parenthesis are the interpretation of the people. Quran never specified specific parts of the body neither did it specify about Niqab,
Many of the things you mentioned in parenthesis is again one's opinion of what they think Quran is trying to tell us. So again Quran has commanded to cover your private parts and dress modestly but many of our ULEMAAS have provided their own interpretation and made a very flexible religion a very rigid religion,
This is not Hijab thread so let us not ruin it.

I suggest you read it and open new thread on Hijab

Hijab: Fird (Obligation) or fiction
http://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/wome ... r-fiction/

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Re: Gunmen in Pakistan kill 43 in attack on bus carrying religious minority

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed May 20, 2015 3:49 am

hello
i will not talk about hadith, coz that is all garbage of bukhari and muslim
as regards to quran--what u have said in bracket is ur opinion, not of quran
it only says guide ur private parts--bikini also can do that perfectly
here guide doest not mean hide
and to cover with apron or chadar--it is also ur interpretataion not mentioned in quran which u have written
in bracket---quran only says put veil on ur bosom--bikini also can do that perfectly
morever it says to dress only modestly
now what is modesty?
ur definition will be different than many others--does not mean ur only correct and others are wrong.

stick strictly to quran without bracket parenthesis

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed May 20, 2015 10:49 am

it only says guide ur private parts--bikini also can do that perfectly
This is the reason why we need Ulema to interpret the Quran for us. This is the reason why we need items in the parenthesis and this is the reason why we need the Sunnah of the prophet (saw). Even the westerners won't allow bikini clad women in the workplace. Ever wondered why? Man, this moron is worse than even those who have a little bit of decency.

Imagine the women in this guy's family going around in bikinis claiming that they are doing what Hazrat Fatima did to cover her body parts as per the Quran. This is no different than people going around killing innocents and claiming that they are following the Quran!!

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Unread post by KA786110 » Wed May 20, 2015 2:11 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:
dawedaar wrote: cannot say Khojas are muslims if you see them, the way they dress (women are known to wear modern skimpy clothes, partying etc.)
what has dress to do with islam?
there is no dress code in quran.
it is all wahabi invention and we are following mindlessly saying islamic dress and non-islamic dress
Very well put. You cannot justify this heinous and cowardly act by any reasoning. Taking lives of innocent people is totally unconscionable.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed May 20, 2015 4:30 pm

Little bit about the Ismaili community I grew up in, which was targetted today in Karachi, killing 43 innocent people and leaving numerous wounded:

If it weren't for the Ismailis

1. Pakistan wouldn't have cutting edge medical facilities which comply with the international standards of health care - I'm talking about the Aga Khan University Hospital;

2. Pakistan wouldn't have affordable, world class private education, scholarship funds, free workshops, and curriculum development if it weren't for the Aga Khan Education Services Pakistan;

3. Pakistan's historic landmarks like Baltit Fort and other locations would've degenerated into rubble if it weren't for the Aga Khan Historic Cities Support Program;

4. Pakistan would have no secure lodging and conference spaces for international investors and diplomats if it weren't for the Aga Khan Tourism Promotion Services Serena Hotels;

5. Pakistan wouldn't have had ANY natural disaster management especially in remote areas near the Himalayan ranges if it weren't for the Aga Khan FOCUS Pakistan initiative;

6. Pakistan's youth's employment rate would still be in the gutter if it wasn't for the Aga Khan Economic Planning Board;

7. Pakistan wouldn't have had any concept of liberal arts if it wasn't for the Aga Khan University Faculty of Arts & Sciences;

8. Pakistan's economy would still be in the gutter if it weren't for Ismaili investors and business owners;

9. Diseases would still be rampant if there were no blood and free vaccination drives conducted by AKUH;

10. The world's perception of all Muslims as terrorist burka conservative homophobes would've still been maintained if it weren't for the liberal and progressive representation by Ismaili on international forums;

And these are just SOME of the things the invisible Ismailis and the Ismaili leadership has done in Pakistan. I haven't even discussed the work of AKDN in Canada, Egypt, India, Tanzania, Kenya, France, the UK, and so on.

Hell, Pakistan wouldn't even have existed if Jinnah (born in an Ismaili family) and the Aga Khan III hadn't worked for it.

THIS is the community that was shot dead stright in the face today in Pakistan. THIS is the community thatis hated so passionately in Pakistan. This is the community, which is known as "the community that welcomes smile," that was forced in to grief-stricken mass-hysteria. This is the community whose kids were forced to watch their parents being shot in the head for simply having peaceful beliefs different than the mainstream violent Jihadi Islam.

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Unread post by araz5253 » Wed May 20, 2015 8:45 pm

all of the above points are conjectures. Ismailis who follow Isailism do not belong to Islam by scholarly consesnsus and what charitable activities they might be doing is irrelevant , even Jews do a lot of charity and have an apparently "peaceful" appearence.